Ep. 13: Discovering the Rebbe with Rabbi Aaron Dovid Gancz

00:00 Speaker 1 A person sits in the Ohelim Hazeh and then they tell, "I am a mensch. Punkt geht mir nisht gut." Why punkt nicht? Why, uh, there's no punkt? That every Yid and every person is ani lo nivresi el lo lamshos k'neged. Each one is a shliach. This is your shlichus. So if punkt haynt, the fundraising went very difficulty, so my-- today, this is my shlichus. Not yesterday's shlichus, this is today. This is my shlichus. That ani lo nivresi, then they, the Rebbe, that I give back then ku. That's shlichus, and that's what shlichus is.

00:39 Speaker 2 I'm Yossi Kamen. Welcome to Among Chassidim by Der Herr, an ongoing farbrengen about life as a Chassid, our vibrant connection with the Rebbe, and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. Shalom Aleichem, Rabbi Gans. How are you?

00:58 Speaker 1 Aleichem Shalom. Woas machst du, apis?

01:01 Speaker 2 Baruch Hashem, I'm doing well. And, um, I want to, uh... I think we should begin with, uh, something that I heard from you once when I was in Maristan in yeshiva. This is my hakdama. My hakdama is that you once said that when you were a bachur, I don't know where, which yeshiva it was, but when you were a bachur, someone made like a satire Gemara.

01:27 Speaker 1 Correct. Yeah.

01:29 Speaker 2 And he, uh, it starts off bachur. That's like the how it starts off. So in, in the satire Gemara, it said, bachur, Pirush Ha'Aroch. And the Aroch explains what is the bachur. A bachur is minchah hadar be yeshiva, some type of creature that, uh, dwells in the yeshiva. So while I was that type of-- while I was a minchah hadar yeshiva in Maristan, I was, uh, zecher to, uh, interact with you. Um, I don't recall a certain area ever hearing from you. I'm sure you discussed it, just I don't recall hearing it, and I think it would be a good way to start. So that's, that's the, the hakdama to the question I wanna ask you. Okay. Is it-- Have I said it right?

02:13 Speaker 1 Okay. Yes.

02:15 Speaker 2 And when I quoted you, did I quote you right?

02:17 Speaker 1 Yes. Yes. There was a, there, there... It was a sh-- It, it was a Gemara made for Masechtah Sukkah for Purim, so it was Perek Ha'ayashan. It was in Satmar. It was Ayashan, Ayashan Tacha Samita. So it started with Habachur Ayashan Tacha Samita describing a double bed, you know, full of-

02:34 Speaker 2 A bach, a bach under the bed, so it had-

02:36 Speaker 1 Yeah

02:36 Speaker 2 ... Pirush Ha'Aroch. What, what a bach-

02:37 Speaker 1 Pirush Ha'Aroch. Yeah.

02:39 Speaker 2 Very good.

02:40 Speaker 1 Correct.

02:40 Speaker 2 Okay. So my, my, my question which I don't remember you talking about is bachlal we're used to, um, in Lubavitch that there's different types and different people and, uh, Baalei Tshuva and all, all, you know, all different types of people. Uh, definitely today it's mu-much more popular, but definitely in your time it was definitely a Chiddush Davar. I believe you, uh, you, you're from Williamsburg originally, right?

03:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. Correct.

03:09 Speaker 2 So my, my... What I'm trying to understand, what I would like to know is what, um, mo-many people that, you know, they didn't have Yiddishkeit and they found Yiddishkeit, uh, it's very understandable, you know, how, how, how they got involved, uh, with the Rebbe and Lubavitch. But it's, it's unique when someone, uh, grew up, you know, uh, Yirei Shomayim and made the decision that he wants to, uh, connect to the Rebbe and to, and to Chassidus. So I, I'm also curious to like how it happened, but, but I got... My, my main question is what, what, what was lacking? What, what, what, what, what, what was mes gaben gezukicht? What, what was, what were you looking for? I mean, I know I'm starting off, uh, hot and heavy, but, uh- But, uh, straight to the point doesn't hurt.

03:55 Speaker 1 Okay. Um, the meiseles azoy. The meise is, you know, when people ask me, you know, "Mes gaben gefelt?" You know, when I came. So the truth is like this. I once heard in my Chabad house was a discussion about some books that came out from people nebach who went off the derech, and there are quite a few nebach who, you know, writing against orthodoxy. So I remember a comment of a person in the Chabad house who was not, wasn't frum yet, and he told me, "I'd never in my life read such books." He says, "Because what's the point? The person is obviously upset with that system, and what do you think you're gonna be reading there? It's obviously, it's his perspective or her perspective, and there's no point. I wouldn't believe a word, you know."

04:47 Speaker 2 Right.

04:48 Speaker 1 So I told anybody when I started farbrengen with bachurim in yeshiva, I told them, "You shouldn't listen a word what I'm going to tell you about Chabad now. Uh, or if I'm gonna say anything bad about my background, why, why should-- you shouldn't believe me a word."

05:03 Speaker 2 Right.

05:03 Speaker 1 But the truth is I'm gonna farbrengen, I will tell you the maayanh of Chabad, so why should you listen? He says, "But I..." Because I never ran away from anything. Hab gat elten Yirei Shomayim, I wish I'd be a tenth of a zayzen a geven. Tayre to tayre Yidden. And I, I was never missing anything. I'm thankful for them for my upbringing in every possible way. I remember back then maybe she hadn't talk, nor was then. As I s-- I s-- I told somebody once, imagine if I went to Cheder Zein and Cheider, and then when I went into Cheider Ches, I had some melamed that taught me how to learn Ramshiff in such a way that I, I... It changed my way of looking at the Gemara totally. Am I upset at my Cheder Zein and Cheider Ches melamed? I thank them all my life. And then I got to Cheider Ches and Hab gizaynen tza nay likhtikayt. So I didn't come to Lubavitch because anything was missing for me in, in Satmar. Nothing whatsoever. I had a beautiful upbringing, and it was very Yishmoak and-

06:04 Speaker 2 I was like with the

06:05 Speaker 1 There was nothing there. I learned with a Mendel Wachter, and he learned Chassidus. Way before we knew of Lamavitz, we learned Chassidus. And-

06:14 Speaker 2 So he, he had a yeshiva?

06:16 Speaker 1 He had a yeshiva. He had a private yeshiva. And, uh, most Bachurim, all Bachurim were sat with the Bachurim. It was his private yeshiva. And he was a mevakesh, unbelievable mevakesh. He first learned, uh, Maral, Rabbi Tzadik, Kikachta Benei Soscha. He Kikachta many. And then finally, he came about, upon Chabad, and it was a meshunadik Kikach. He told all the parents, "You know, I'm learning Chabad." And everybody knew that. So he learned Likutei Torah and Tanya. It was official. Um-

06:46 Speaker 2 And no one had a problem with that?

06:48 Speaker 1 Nobody had a problem with that. I mean, it wasn't now after pung de derech, but, you know, and they were all maskim to it. And, um, and B'meheila, and I, I got exposed to Chassidus, and it took me. So B'meheila, that's how it became. So I never ran away from anybody. So I told the Bachurim, I said, "Now you can listen to me. I'm not, uh, I'm not bad-mouthing anybody. And Baruch Hashem, the Rebbe helped us. I came to the Rebbe. I saw a new lichtigkeit from Torah, Savva, Shem Tov that the Rebbe gives that, that, that is not so available in any other place. And that's what, uh, took me. And that's the nekuda. So in, so in terms of the senin of Ba'al Teshuvah, now we're coming now from Yud Beis Tammuz. So I was thinking Yud Beis Tammuz, an interesting thing, interesting nekuda. That the Friediker Rebbe was Moser Nefesh himself against the Russians, against the Yevsektzia, KGB, and a meshunadik, meshunadik noin for yedn yingele from Klal Yisroel. As the, as the saying goes, that the Friediker Rebbe said once, you know, "Kerem Shalilo ne Tarti, I was mainly, I'm a Rebbe. Tav zogen Chassidus. Tav hadom Chassidim." And all his life, he was busy for the first ten years is with making Chadarim and Schitas and Mikvaos and poshet beseedes nefesh, sending nebach off. Yidden nebach went off to Siberia and so on and so forth, u-under his watch of, of his mesirat nefesh. Meshunadik, meshunadik noin. But lepoel, his

08:28 Speaker 1 mesirat nefesh is given of terat of yedn yiddish kind, vaz vil. Yedn yiddish kind vaz vil nisht, the Yevsektzia, he didn't touch. Deh Hashvi is, uh, arabbring in Shechinah lamata, mata poel mamos, is the Rebbe took that very same mesirat nefesh, uh, to change Yevsektzia himself. Not all the Yiddish kinderlekh that are affected by them and have mesirat nefesh to bring a Yiddishkeit all over, but bring a Yiddishkeit to those Yevsektzia's who don't want Yiddishkeit, and say, "Du bist a ekht standish."

09:06 Speaker 2 So you're saying that Amal, it was similar to... And I, I'm not, I'm not saying to compare, but the, Frum Yidden take care of themselves and make sure that the, the ember and the kichelis is, is going, and that's what the Friediker Rebbe was doing, making sure this Chadar-

09:18 Speaker 1 But he was doing it, but he was doing it with mesirat nefesh.

09:21 Speaker 2 Right.

09:21 Speaker 1 It wasn't easy in his time, so-

09:22 Speaker 2 But-

09:22 Speaker 1 He had to poshet moser nefesh for this.

09:25 Speaker 2 Right. But if he didn't want to, they were not-- He wasn't in the... They weren't getting people from the, fr- you know, that were coming-

09:30 Speaker 1 Frumme people

09:30 Speaker 2 ... into the Chadarim. Yeah.

09:32 Speaker 1 Yeah.

09:32 Speaker 2 And this day it changed. Okay.

09:33 Speaker 1 And this day, so aside the ability changed, bedoch shmiaim, but also if you know what the Deh Hashvi is, what the Rebbe kacht Deh Hashvi is, as it was segaven by Moshe Rabbeinu. Segaven Amram varden. Segaven Kahas. Segaven Levi and Yakev. Tzadikim g'dolim, shaikhes to zogen. Avraham, Yitzchak, v'Yaakov. And the Midrash explains, Avraham brought the Shechinah down from the ki ha-shvi to ki a, ki, to ki a vav. And then t-imagine in Amram's times, it was totally given al derech with the Friediker Rebbe. Yidden am gelit in Mitzrayim. There's no Oisios we could say. Was Yidden am gelit in Mitzrayim. And Amram was busy arabbring in Shechinah lamata. He got it down to the ki alef, as the Midrash explains. Lepoel, we di- the dol lamata, mgornish nish gezen. Yidden were there to get out all the pachets n-netzuatzim. That was the whole avoda, to be male all the netzuatzim from Mitzrayim. Vay natlos Mitzrayim, they took out everything. Aber a Mitzri geblib Mitzri, and segaven tivu be yamsuf, obgemekt. I remember, interesting, I remember first time I walked into a farbrengen, uh, from Williamsburg. I walked through to Crown Heights. That was a, a matiyes by itself to walk through Bedford Stuyvesant in those days. It was Shabbos afternoon, and I remember it was Shabbos Shira. It was, uh, Tu Bishvat, Shabbos Shira. I don't know if it was Mem Beis or Mem Gimmel.

11:03 Speaker 2 You, you married or you a bachur then?

11:05 Speaker 1 No, I was married. And I walked into the farbrengen, and I remember the Rebbe was speaking a few things, but I-- One thing I remember the Rebbe s-spoke then, that David HaMelech says, "V'eseiveim kisa hayam." And so the Rebbe was medayek that in Pasuk, in Torah it states, "Tivu be yamsuf." They were drowned. David HaMelech, which is netzutza shel Moshiach already, which is already David of, of, uh, oisfin, the tachlas hashleimus, which is zayn losn love. There, he doesn't say, "Tivu be yamsuf." He says, "V'eseiveim kisa hayam." Kisa is another darga. As ruach hatuma avi min haaretz, zein ef another noin, that even there, you took the netzutzas out of the Mitzrim themselves. They don't call them tivu anymore. Call them kisa. I don't remember the details of that sicha. I wasn't even a keli yet to understand full sichas then poel mamos. But, uh, I remember those words when I walked in.

12:04 Speaker 2 So what's the difference?

12:06 Speaker 1 So what I want to say is by the Rebbe also, that by the Friediger Rebbe, remained Yevasektia. And the Rebbe Yevasektia but Yevasektia. I heard a story, you know, it's a famous story I think that a real Tzaddik, which he used to be the of the Satmar of sighting. He was

12:33 Speaker 2 He lived in Williamsburg?

12:35 Speaker 1 Yes. He was a and then he became close to the Rebbe. And I heard somebody once asked him, "How is it, Chaia, that such a Kanoia like you should become to the Rebbe?" Who's ? So he said that, "To me, I can't find a bigger Kanoia than the Lubavitcher Rebbe." He said, "How?" He says, "What are the Kanoia doing in Jerusalem? They see a car, they take a stone Shabbos, Shabbos." He says, "What's the point of that statement?" The statement is you wanna violate Shabbos in Paltin Shel Melech, in Yerushalayim Ir Hakodesh? You want, go to LA, go to Anchorage, or go to St. Louis. Maybe Tel Aviv. He came to the Lubavitcher Rebbe without stones, with a smile, and he said, "Sorry, in LA in St. Louis also not, and in Anchorage also not. I'll make sure there's a Shliach there, and there's a Shliach there, and there's a Shliach there. And no matter where you go, you'll bump into a Shliach, and he won't let you do it there either." So he says, "Do you have a bigger Kanoia than that?" So the Rebbe took this whole idea of Mesirut Nefesh, which is a Mesirut Nefesh, no question about it, which to send Hasidim away in, in, in, in, in, in when it comes to Yiddishkeit. And we see now, you know, 50 years better the, the dayans that come out of that, and things that the they made, and their own children who come out shining stars. That was the Mesirut Nefesh

14:25 Speaker 1 what the Rebbe did. But that's the Nekuda that the differences of Dayot Shvi than before Dayot Shvi. Before Dayot Shvi is . The Tzitzit every day comes bring down another , another but that's... So I remember I always tell this story, it's an interesting story. When we became Lubavitch, we had a farbrengen with the Rebbe Ki Chein. The Rebbe-

14:59 Speaker 2 So we, you mean the other Bachar-- whatever, the other ingalaitt that-

15:02 Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, almost to get into that farbrengen.

15:07 Speaker 2 What was-

15:07 Speaker 1 Except Sha- except Shalom Chortov, whatever, those who were close with us.

15:11 Speaker 2 So one second. Before you get to Rebbe Ki Chein-

15:14 Speaker 1 Yeah

15:14 Speaker 2 ... what was like the... How did this work? This happened in one day, in one year, in 10 years? Like h- what, what was the-

15:22 Speaker 1 No, this was already when we were already more open about more Lubavitch, you know, Shalom Chortov, Reb Yoehl, whatever, they arranged it. It was on a Sukkah.

15:30 Speaker 2 So, so, so Reb Mendel Webser was-

15:31 Speaker 1 It wasn't organized. Yeah, that was there-

15:34 Speaker 2 So Mendel Webser was, was telling-- saying he, he because of his influence to other, like a lot of the Bacharim in his yeshiva ended up slowly being connected to Lubavitch?

15:43 Speaker 1 Some, yeah. Some. Mm-hmm. That's another discussion maybe later, I'm not sure. Whatever.

15:50 Speaker 2 Okay.

15:50 Speaker 1 But, uh, but yeah, so we were already Lubavitch, so we had a farbrengen with Rebbe Ki Chein. It was a Sukkah. I was sitting next to the, to the, to Rebbe Ki Chein, and he was telling the story of Russia, the Mesirut Nefesh that went on there. He told the story they made a mikvah, the Russians found out, they came, they poured full cement in it, and of course the Balabos of the house was sent off to Siberia. And then he said, "But can go bankrupt." So we made another mikvah. Then they came again, and they send them off to Siberia. No, I just remember him like he plots. He, he, he like he, he made a comment. He says, "The man is talking like if somebody lost a quarter in a payphone." He says, "I'm not gonna make a phone call anymore. I mean, life has to go on." So I lost a quarter, so that's how he was speaking. But then he started talking about his own journey, how they caught on to him for his Avodas Hashem, and they, they got him into jail, and they interrogated him. And of course, who did the interrogations? It wasn't KGB. It was Yevsektia, which were communist. I was sitting next to him. I fell off my chair almost. I heard him saying... Nobody heard it. It was between his lips, . When he started talking about the guy who did all the Tzaris to him, I would call him there's no other Isius of

17:29 Speaker 1 what they did to undermine Yiddishkeit than what they did. And to him personally, who knows how many years. And I heard him saying under his lips when he started speaking about him, he said, "." I was floored. I was floored. That's how he explained that that's-- that was

18:10 Speaker 2 But then I heard it living

18:12 Speaker 1 So I was thinking, I was thinking the Rebbe's mom showed the very same opinion. There's elbow canoes in the Mesiras Nefesh of fighting you the sexier. But instead of saying, you know, that old saying that there's like the world, if you can't fight them, join them. The Rebbe exactly. If you can't fight them, you know what? Make them join you.

18:46 Speaker 2 Sapra.

18:47 Speaker 1 Huh?

18:48 Speaker 2 Sapra.

18:49 Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly. That's what is Sapra. If you can't fight, make them join you.

18:57 Speaker 2 I think what you're telling me is different or one Indian that you saw in, in the Rebbe that you didn't have exposure to before, and that-

19:10 Speaker 1 Correct.

19:10 Speaker 2 -was, was, was what they could see it that was drawing you.

19:14 Speaker 1 This was one of the things. I, I, I can't say this was drawing. Drawing like at first was, was, was learning Hasidus, and then look at Sichos. But as I got exposed more and more, you know, you know, as I mean, this, this, this, this, I mean, it's open to the whole world. Everybody knows. If you wanna ask you know, or any other tzadik, you need to have a tzadik to say it because he did it in Himel. He was he gave from the Shamas in Himel, a gazest in Himel. And he did it, he did it in Himel Shevek. To see a person which is that he doesn't sleep at night in New Zealand, which has maybe ten Yidden or the this is Rebbe. So to see him being a father of Klal Israel, this, this, this you know? They say a maisa. I think they say it maybe Slavatski said it. I'm not sure. I'm not a hundred percent sure of the marker. They say a maisa that Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, was walk- was walking by the Kosel, and he saw a Lubavitcher putting on Tefillin for a freight. So he stopped, and he said in his paylos, he said, "They think his godlessness and his or his, his or his people fail to understand that his godlessness is a in Yiddin Yid." This is, this is, this is unbelievable. And you think of it, you think of it, it's, it's so natural today, but, uh, those who remember when the Mivtzoim started,

21:38 Speaker 1 it wasn't an easy thing for bachurim to go out. It's not an easy thing to take two fourteen or fifteen-year-old bachurim and walk around in Manhattan and stop a person who's on his way to sign on a building in Manhattan. He's a multi-billionaire. His suit is worth three thousand dollars, and he's walking with his fancy tie, and, uh, two nudniks go over to him, "Excuse me, sir. Are, are you Jewish?" Mind your own business, you know? And one after the other, you know, there was some resistance too, but one after the other come up into a mitzvah tank and put on tefillin. There are munah to understand that if a person is lying on the ground and burning, and you walk over to him, you try to put out the fire, nobody will say, "Mind your own business." No matter who you are, you're thirteen year old, you're fourteen year old, nobody cares. You're coming to help me. So everything else he does, that's beating around the bush. And to get to that pintela, and that's what the Rebbe did. Touching those neshamas, touching those neshamas one by one. That's how otherwise you can't do that. It, it, it's... How can I have the guts and the audacity to go over? I do remember once that I was going on Mivtzoim and I met somebody and he, and he did give me a big chelek. I was in England already then, and he said, "Rabbi or sir," you know, "wait, can you mind your own

23:19 Speaker 1 business, please?" He told me. I wouldn't take no for an answer. So I told him, "Sir, it's exactly what I'm trying to do." He said, "What? Can you mind your own business?" I said, "That's exactly what I'm trying to do." He says, "You see, you might be a doctor, you might be a lawyer, you might have many levels of professionalism around you, but maybe who are you? Aren't you Jewish? That's who you are. So how about minding your own business for once?" Let's come up. Came up, put on tefillin. That's how you look at him. That all the money and all the big, you know, fame that he has, this is all this is who he is.

24:12 Speaker 2 Hmm.

24:13 Speaker 1 So that's one of the nekudos that the Rebbe took down, the you know, that's which the Alter Rebbe explains but you need a special of you need a special of and that comes with that comes with the double why, why?

24:57 Speaker 2 Why, why?

24:59 Speaker 1 Why? Because, because first of all, first of all, you know, there's, there's a word of which is is the whichis In other words, many people get to say to this, "Ah, ." I'm, I'm starting a tomorrow. After three days, uh, you know, uh, maybe not, maybe yes. you know, and The bottom line is

25:50 Speaker 3 No

25:59 Speaker 1 You know, how much, how much do we have in Moshiach ? How many eight were there already? How many said already the of the and and something happened. That's the of the whole-- That was the lesson of the Rebbe in the of the whole That's kind of So Rebbe bringing that's a But there's another thing also, because every new thing is hard to swallow. Can you imagine if somebody will say today that he's gonna take a into A doesn't live in that. But Yeah. So can you imagine before Moshe Rabbeinu, that's how Malachim looked at Moshe Rabbeinu. When they that was their "What? To take Torah down to them? Maybe if they wanna have they wanna elevate themselves or But for digesting it. The Malachim against them. And it needed to become Moshe Rabbeinu had to be and to ask them. They wanted to burn him alive. For what? Because they Because And that's a nice act. I remember a

28:20 Speaker 3 Rabbi Yael was a big part of the, um, of w-with you-

28:23 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah

28:24 Speaker 3 ... with these new Chevre.

28:26 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Rabbi Yael was a big part. Rabbi Yael had, uh, geduld, unbelievable. He could talk to a 15-year-old kid for hours, to a single Bachar, Mekarev them to Chassidus. And, uh, and even if it take, it'll take three years to talk about the Rebbe, so it was nisht. The Rebbe bring Chassidus. He had this geduld and time. Uh, my-- I, I was a 15 year old. I, I spoke to him privately for hours, for hours. But so I remember I was, uh, in Monsey once a... Rabbi Yael used to come to Monsey to give Shiurim, and he had, uh, he had a from Chasmale Chevre, used to come to his Shiur. They enjoyed it, um, made it like unbelievable. Rabbi Yael had a in the union of Tzadikim. And this is a Tzadik is not shayeach to make a tos because and he doesn't have any of a yetzer to make him trip. And if he does make-

29:29 Speaker 3 That's the definition of a Tzadik-

29:30 Speaker 1 Yes

29:31 Speaker 3 ... according to Tanya.

29:32 Speaker 1 Tanya, it's another But melech is the shayeach, the the Rebbe says You can't learn the Rebbe's hava without That's Rebbe used to say, Yeah. Whatever.

30:00 Speaker 3 Which by the way, there's a, there's a Chassidishe atsim. I don't know how that is by other Chassidim, but for sure by, by Natka Chassidim. But I mean, it's a human being.

30:09 Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. They're all fallible human beings. A human being is different. That's the, that's the

30:18 Speaker 3 Now, the Rebbe all over the place- ... is explaining all of the things that we see in Torah that are, look like a mistake or a tos, and he explains the ruchnius. W-w-what, what was being accomplished with this-

30:29 Speaker 1 Exactly

30:29 Speaker 3 ... you know, tos. Yeah.

30:31 Speaker 1 Yeah. So, so, um, so Rabbi Yankey, right, said, "Yes, I was..." He was once talking in this. So one of the stopped him, and he asked Rabbi Yael, "Rabbi Yael, ." And everybody froze 'cause everybody knew he had fire and brimstone. Oof. And Rabbi Yael had geduld, no problems. Rabbi Yael said Avadi givis, yes he was. So he continued. Was the Gra given about Ruach Hakodesh. Rebbe Yoel said Avadi givis, zechiria. So he asked, "Eiba zoi, vi shayach the Gra gemacht a tois gegen Alter Rebbe? A tzaddik is not shayach to a tois." So Rebbe Yoel told him, "First of all, don't you know of the Gemara in Eruvin, az elu v'elu divrei Elokim chayim? You never saw machloket between Basham and Beselil. And therefore, the halacha is Basham bamokom Beselil zeh einu mishnah bechalal. It may be losed, loved, zein the halacha beBasham. But right now, it's a vayeif im ho shalacha kimo yosei. So the other shit is toires Hashem, it's haEmes, it's a kiddushe. But lepoel, halacha is not like it. So Chassidim among genemen, ya tak Chassidim aliliyeina, and the halacha is like Chassidim, and their, their shit are fine. But why, why do you have to make it a tois?" But then he said, "But I'll tell you something else." He said, "Your Avodah Meyer, the digstach with me, you have arguments whether a tzaddik is shayach to a tois or not. But you've Avodah and Avodah Meyer is a malach is zichen a shayach to a tois. A

32:19 Speaker 1 malach is a malach." He said, "Of course, a malach is a malach." So how come the malach made such a big tois when they said, "T'no heitcha l'Shamayim"? And the Ribono shel Olam wanted to give the Torah l'mata. And they had a ta'inah against Kitzur Shulchan. How is it shayach the malach made a tois? So he said, "You know why? Because they didn't make a tois. Because until that moment, till day lashvi, is azai given l'maaleh d'dinim. That was akin to like bringing a Sefer Torah into a Beis Haknesses without a tzitzit. You needed Moshe Rabbeinu, and you needed that koach of Har HaBoren, of Siach Mesichta, of Eysfir and B'poel, where the tachlis habria was, the Torah is only coming l'mata. Im lo b'risuv yom ulail l'chichat Shomayim v'aretz v'samtis, the ganze bris l'ketchilah was for then ingen Torah is only coming down l'mata. Im b'meilech was the tois, azoy given. But their ibergang was a nay, nay din. This is given Hashem bochur bonu mikol ha'am im adem husfasi."

33:27 Speaker 3 But we see this, uh, I mean, now the Kitrug and Altar Rebbe, what, what's chat? You know, there's a plate of Chassidus on the floor, and then it's even Kesser, you know, even, even, uh-

33:37 Speaker 1 Perek es karate, yeah

33:38 Speaker 3 ... Perek es karate. So what, what, what's chat? Is it, is it right or wrong? It's like you're saying, th-th-there is a Kitrug-

33:45 Speaker 1 That's exactly

33:45 Speaker 3 ... but ultimately-

33:47 Speaker 1 But there's a Kitrug because there's a snaggdos for this inyan, and ultimately, daf from this durchbrecht.

33:52 Speaker 3 So how do you, how do you-

33:53 Speaker 1 And then when the Alter Rebbe take it, durchgebrochen, the Baal Shem Tov him gesagt in Tzwis HaAdam, the Rebbe, uf don gefangen-

33:59 Speaker 3 Should do more

33:59 Speaker 1 ... he said, "Should I, should I stop?" No. And nach a nameh, there, there was a Kitrug for starting it, but for once you started, then nach dem durchbrecht.

34:06 Speaker 3 So how did you deal with the snaggdos from where you came from to, to, to be connected to Lubavitch?

34:15 Speaker 1 Um, how I dealt with it? So first of all, I, uh, moved to Monsey, and I started, uh, my own life. But, uh, the truth is that, um, Chabad dealt it, and, uh, of course, they were not comfortable with it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say they were comfortable with it, but, uh, um, ultimately, I think they saw that I, I had a koch in something. I wasn't, I, I was-- I, I wasn't about to be a, a, a renegade child and running away, and I'm rebellious. And I was talking never rebellious. As I said before, I had never, never against them anything. I kept, I gesucht, uh, with myself sein.

35:10 Speaker 3 So I, I have a question. I imagine that, I mean, you, you were do-- there was a few people going through this, um, going through this. Was there, um, a rois from the Rebbe about how to do this or how, or, or, or, or at what stage or a-any, any-

35:28 Speaker 1 No, there's-

35:29 Speaker 3 ... rois from the Rebbe from this?

35:30 Speaker 1 No. I really don't wanna go through, through the whole Pashah Be'emeth, but I'll, I'll just say one kuda, that it's a poshta tois, oylem, that a man came to chap the fashis. The man vechter had a ro from the Rebbe not to tell anybody.

35:48 Speaker 3 That he's connected-

35:49 Speaker 1 For years-

35:50 Speaker 3 That he's connected to the Rebbe

35:51 Speaker 1 There were years upon years that we learned Chassidus, and the Reiche, Reiche and Yona for Chassidus that he was mekabel from Rebbe Yoel the whole night every Thursday night, and give it over in the Shmaks to Deg. And he would give it over in the name of, uh, the Maral, go check up the Maral, or he would give it over in the name of, uh, the Mittler Rebbe, when the Mittler Rebbe's Sefer was just written in Xaviat, wasn't printed, when it was printed, but yeah. Or a maimer from the Rebbe Marash from Vakoka, because the Vakoka was not printed. So who's gonna go check it out? And he had a ro from the Rebbe not to tell anybody about Lubavitch. Poshta ro. You know? The poil is I'm not gonna get into the pashah. It was somebody made him, got him upset and nervous, whatever. Saruz gi- saruz gi chap. The people finally started-

36:43 Speaker 3 Someone exposed him.

36:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, and started s-smelling what's going on behind him then. And we had such a haratzu for him, and we had such a ibbergiem kedding, a, a, a ingeman mol of a kodesh and a ovid Hashem, so we, we started to gravitate towards it. But it wasn't never a, a scheme of, "Yeah, now I macht a yeshiva of techapim neShamos."

37:05 Speaker 3 So you say, you're saying that, um, because, partially because of exposure that you had to the "" that-

37:14 Speaker 1 And then when we realized that the Moqaddes were mistaken things, it's slowly, uh, we, uh-

37:19 Speaker 3 Maybe, maybe we have to speak to the Mendal himself in a different podcast. But I heard from, I think I heard from the son maybe that, that the Rebbe, when he was learning with him, did the same thing. That he was learning Tanya with him, and then he would give Biurim-

37:32 Speaker 1 Oh, he made a deal. He made a deal with the Rebbe. He made a, a official deal at

37:39 Speaker 3 Right. So the Rebbe was telling Biurim, he didn't tell him that it's coming from the Rebbe, and I think when he was ready for Kabbalah and ready, he, he, he told him the secret.

37:48 Speaker 1 Yeah.

37:48 Speaker 3 "By the way, this is Biurim from the Rebbe."

37:50 Speaker 1 Something like that. Yeah.

37:50 Speaker 3 So you're saying, you're saying in a certain way that happened to you in a different, in a different level.

37:55 Speaker 1 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

37:56 Speaker 3 So, so how... So you don't... I'm not asking you, I know you said you don't wanna do, do the whole story. I'm trying, I'm just, uh, trying to ..., I wanna know, um, that-- So what, what was the first time you saw the Rebbe? Like how, what was that? What was that? When was it? What wa- How was it? And what, what, what, what was that like for you to see the Rebbe for the first time?

38:19 Speaker 1 The first time I saw the Rebbe was in 1970, and, um, I went into, from a back door from WLCC. I was standing into the room of WLCC from the window, seeing the Rebbe. That was my first time. Hidden I came out and

38:41 Speaker 3 From the window in WLCC?

38:44 Speaker 1 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

38:48 Speaker 3 So you're like a Hill Azaken on the roof.

38:52 Speaker 1 Whatever you, whatever you wanna call it. Yeah. But the

39:04 Speaker 3 So, so what did you see by the Rebbe?

39:10 Speaker 1 So, uh, so ..., and then after that, when I was exposed to the Rebbe, you know, I sat with the Rebbe a long time discussing in Yanam, you know, Chabad, Rebbe.

39:25 Speaker 3 So what did, what did you see by the Rebbe when, when, when you first... I think it's different when you're hearing the, the Yanam from Svarim or whatever, from cliche when you see them from the Rebbe.

39:37 Speaker 1 No. You s- so you should know that it took time because, uh, one of the Yanam that, uh, is which is higher than As the Zohar says, belongs to does not belong here. Only And the is If you wanna give a Poshut to Moshe, there a Poshut to Moshe. Um, for instance, my emotion, right? Chassidus, whatever. But, uh, you can have a, a He knows nothing about the Chassidus of Mohammed. He doesn't speak yet normal. He's not Shaycheth to any of the godless of the all they have, all the godless they have. He has no Shaycheth to it. But he's way, way higher than all of them. Not in Giluyim. He is the You know. So when it comes to Giluyim, the higher Olamis are higher and lower Olamis are lower. And, and as the Alter Rebbe says, it goes lower. It's more Tzimtzum, is more Tzimtzum. But if you look at any picture of any tzadik, you will see Giluyim constantly. And I, I'm not trying to make fun of anybody. People could take it that way. No, I... Even, I mean, it's evidence. You'll see any picture of any tzadik. It's either he's like this or it's like this or it's... And I'm not saying it's shtick. It's Amos. A Koch and a Yach. That's, that's what Chassidim see. I davened the Koch, uh, danced with the kallah and danced in heaven. Yeah. The Rebbe, you see the Rebbe's picture, you see the Rebbe smiling and making high. You know? Coming from my

43:20 Speaker 1 background, love Davka, the first time I was, wow. You know? That was an embassy, embassy, a deep, a deep maven on the atzmusdik and the kudde to the Rebbe and the Rebbe. Takes a while. You know? The Rebbe's rehem gegangen on bagliters, you know? Bocher must standing a mile away. A yid all alone with a bag in the hand, a siddur in hand. Wait, you know? Shemaiti, I once heard from the name of, uh, Nachman, Nachman Yesus' father, the, uh, older Nachman Strivke Rebbe, zichrona livracha.

43:57 Speaker 3 Yes, Nachman Yesus Tversky.

43:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, Tversky. That his father, when he came, I think by his chassan, he came, he was here with the Rebbe, and he watched the Rebbe's Mincha. You know? The early days, the Rebbe walked in the, in the plein am zal oven. There was not a chair for the Rebbe. The Rebbe sat on a bench. Can you imagine this by any Rebbe in the world? It's a rege zest tan siddur in the hand. Rebbe halt a siddur in the hand, where he's on a stender. Nachman gedavened as he rangegumen. He dealt upon nickels for kinder nochfadnem, for small children. They say that he was blown away. And he said, "I thought once that Lubavitch is moyredik with PR. Ze fod narim the gantze velt the farkoyfn. Ze der dem Mincha dav from farkoyfn for the gantze velt." This Mincha is worth billion dollars. But you needed to be the Nachman Strivke Rebbe to have an amazing first time walking in to pick that up. Otherwise, what giluyim did you see? You know? So, der ashishi, begazem boen chadodem and boen nikois, adatem and froome kinder. Nach dem hepton zener, it's, it's chfanimen mit, mit, mit freie menshen and mit geshmeichelses and give a kashal brocha for a freie person a dollar. Do dav from shen der heyn, that's a tata. A tata mit a klein kinder is no giluyim there. It's etzemshe pats muse. And that's, that's, that's, you know, that's chaptish laich. Now, Hasach, Hasach says-

45:30 Speaker 3 You say, you say-

45:32 Speaker 1 The Rebbe not

45:32 Speaker 3 ... you say, you say let's say, let's, uh, let's talk about a dugme. Of course, you're a rav, you're a shiva, you have a whole persona. But then, then, then der heim, you know, you're, you're, you're just, you're just a tati. You say this is-

45:47 Speaker 1 Yeah, you are who you are

45:47 Speaker 3 ... so you're saying, so this is the Rebbe-

45:48 Speaker 1 And you see nothing there.

45:50 Speaker 3 Right.

45:50 Speaker 1 But you see nothing. You see nothing.

45:52 Speaker 3 And, and you say?

45:54 Speaker 1 I, I once heard from Rabbi Yoel. I, I don't think this is recorded in any place, maybe in some fabregens that I said it. But I once, once when I, when I was seeing Rabbi Yoel in the first, first few months, Rabbi Yoel, the Rebbe spent a Rebbe, Rebbe, kollo.

46:11 Speaker 3 He-- You used to go to Crown Heights or this was-- He used to come to Williamsburg?

46:14 Speaker 1 No, no, I went, I went to Crown Heights. I went to his house. So, um, ich kan aw gad a chutz to fregn shailas, was, uh, ain't kan, kan fregnen when I was a newcomer. So I told him about the Rebbe. So I asked him, Yoel-

46:31 Speaker 3 Once you're in Lubavitch, you can't ask questions. Okay.

46:34 Speaker 1 Um, it's a gute shail. Okay. So I asked him, I asked him, I said, "I cher vos a Rebbe is, mazmer zer gut vos a Rebbe is. Aber lo bachach fregnen, who is the maven, who is the Rebbe?" Now, sometimes you see it's a neiniku, a ben al shelo kdeshim. So it's a son, a son, you know, in halacha, a son, if his royal or dead, he's Yiddish. The chazaka of, of, of, of sradas, harabonas, v'cholo. So, but stamaso, when you take somebody who's not a son, where did the maven of a Rebbe? That's what I asked him. So he's talking about the Rebbe.

47:11 Speaker 3 I'm, I'm, I'm trying to understand. You're saying 'cause the Rebbe is not, uh, your question then, 'cause the Rebbe is not, uh, ben ach ben.

47:17 Speaker 1 Uh, maybe it was that too, but yeah, the bikudav was speaking-

47:20 Speaker 3 I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Okay, yeah.

47:21 Speaker 1 You, you're speaking about the Rebbe, it's a gevaldik. Okay, so you are that maven.

47:25 Speaker 3 Right, okay.

47:26 Speaker 1 Du, du sitzt dat filus. So on the aptera of the Heilig Gerushener gezogt, on the Chazon of the Bliner, the Rebbe Mendel of Ribben, gezogt. You know?

47:33 Speaker 3 A good question.

47:35 Speaker 1 Wer, wer gezogt?

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49:40 Speaker 1 So, so I asked him, maybe the mofsim are the rayah that is a Rebbe? So Rav Yoel told me, "Makened zogn az a moifis is nit karayah." You can't say that a moifis is not a rayah. Sov kosov it shows that it's a hecher a mensch. I mean, ich mach nisht ka moifis. It shows that it's a person who's above, uh, leftish de'am oylem. But it's a tzedek a biliger rayah. That's a very cheap rayah. In other words, pavas, ki gaz geluyim. It shows a gevaldige madrega, but that could be der ashishi. It could be, it's nisht for them, ich red van a sach tifach. So I asked him, so what is the raya? So he told me this is, this is his own gedanken, his own machshavas. This is his maybe personal chosnes. But that's what he told me then. He told me that the ershter yon, in the beginning of the fabrengas, it was chozer right away. He says, "I used to sit face to face to the Rebbe." I don't know if there's pictures of it. The later years you see them, he was sitting facing the Rebbe to the left side by the, by the table. He's sitting more towards the left side of the Rebbe. He says, "By the, by the first years, it was a kleiner zal, it was wherever the fabrenge was, and I was mamish, uh, two feet away from the Rebbe, face to face." He says, "When the Rabbeim used to speak about atzmus," again, ich

51:14 Speaker 1 bin nisht a zag groyser bok in Chassidus. Ich hob nisht gelernt mit dem chitamimim. My einzige sheyches hom temimim is az ich tichen tede tem chitamimim, un a punkt eysach gantz eychit. But, but, ich hob nisht gelernt mit dem chitamim. Un, but so he says, "In Chassidus, spoken ba'arikhas of all the oilam basilyanus, and talking about atzilus, but about atzmus and hus, they talk very little." And of the Alter Rebbe, he couldn't write the word atzilus fully, you know, he fell into a trance in the, in the dveikus of achalis when he had to say the word atzilus. The word atzmus, when the Rabbeim spoke about atzmus, az sakh der tish gevorfn. So they, they were trembling. And he says, "And the Rebbe, kol kulo is atzmus. Yedes zweyte sich, yede nekudas with the Rebbe red is als atzmus. Velakh eile viment, nis leg ich tzu, viment der frier gered, der inye von nen noit tkhilosen beseifa beseifa mitkhilosen, na tata mitaken, you know, l'meile migiluyim, is, um, the Rebbe tflik trenn von atzmus, un s'hot zakh gornish gevorfn." So Reb Yael told me, and he told me the lashon in the very beginning, and it bothered me.

52:29 Speaker 4 Reb Yael said it?

52:31 Speaker 1 Yeah, if I, if I remember correctly. But because I was sitting like face to face to him, I saw then in the beginning, I don't know if that happened later on in the years, but in the very beginning, whenever the Rebbe spoke about atzmus, anytime, he says, "Igivenda tzvei schnillekh tren nam gegosen do." Without emotions, without showing anything, but s'hot gegosen tren. Without klippen, without tzabing, but s'hot gegosen tren. So Reb Yael told me, to me, das ishen a shtikle raya fun a Rebbe. That's Reb Yael's way of looking at things. Az der meis. But, uh...

53:16 Speaker 4 Hatame.

53:17 Speaker 1 Huh?

53:18 Speaker 4 Hatame. Elab-elaborate on what you, what this means.

53:23 Speaker 1 So, I would need Reb Yael to elaborate. He didn't elaborate on this. He just told me, to me, this was a raya. In other words, I was-- what I was saying is if you follow the Rebbe's nekuda all of his life, you don't see it right away. It takes for the kid to grow up, and then you see, wait a second, that kid is the melekh. Kol kulo is a ishtik melekh. You know? So it doesn't-- geluyim you see right away. Atzmus took time. It took forty, fifty years of building what's, what's mezet in the gantz welt haynt, vos yeder shteyt un tracht vit un geboyt azoy in periach. Everybody sees it today, you know, what's going on in the world. That, you know, ibergemacht, you know, his hapka transfor-transformation, and it's going strong every day. You know, it's, you know, it's planting a seed, and it takes time. It takes time.

54:19 Speaker 4 The Rebbe himself spoke about efes hafshannon, etzer boim shnin, koyin shadaite, koyin shadaite, so that you... The Rebbe spoke about this concept that it takes time.

54:35 Speaker 1 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but, but especially, especially az az arg viment der et frieh, which, which is a new thing, takes time. Which is aru bringen a mata, takes time. Other things also take time. Everything took time. But, uh...

54:55 Speaker 4 So-

54:56 Speaker 1 To see the ga- to see the godless of, of, of geluyim doesn't take as much time. That you see right away. Of course, it's much more than what we see. By tzadikim, we think, we think we see. Ve zokhta meyster, az motamo gefreg dem Rebbe Rabonim. Talmidim hom gefreg dem Rebbe Rabonim, ve peshiskh de ti shu tell them shu be megale at least one lamid voaf tzadik. The Gemara says that lamid voaf tzadikim, the student... So he said he can't be megale, it's not allowed, but they mutshet him, so he said, "I'll be megale one." And he said, "That's me." So they asked the Rebbe, "You? You're not a tzadik. Nisht-- dus bavust in the gantz welt."

55:33 Speaker 4 Tzadik g-goli.

55:35 Speaker 1 Yeah. Ot ze gezogt, okh un vey far Bonim, a Bonim zal zayn dos iz un reynt er ist. Okh un vey. You know? So even by geluyim, we only know of tzadikim efes kitzeiu, we know about them. But at least that efes kitzeiu is visible, it's obvious right away. And, and, and, and az alokhen yonom av voro bringen areinkrikh in a mata, areinkrikh in zich areinlosnen in oilam hazeh, un dortn slowly ibermakhn, un zogn, "Sorry, du, dort bist du ikh nisht megale Shabbos, ha?" That is bringing us on the kuda. That's, that's, that takes time until you see it. So that's, that's, that's basically what I could say in the kudus, you know, that I would say is about Israel. That's how the Rebbe looked at Israel.

56:30 Speaker 4 Okay. Okay.

56:38 Speaker 1 I remember when I started learning Rashi Sichas to actually remember-- I'm not gonna say names, of course. I remember together with the Rebbe Mendel, another, the other Yid that did Rashi. Rashi-- The Rebbe stellt zich Rashi and deep Pa-- Rashi brings three pshatim and in deep Parsha, Rashi brings first the Pirush Rishon and then Pirush Sheni. The next Parsha, Rashi does the opposite. The Rebbe why? That person, he, he gefregt, "Was macht du zich narish?" I mean, what? Please. It's three pshatim. Dort he gebringt kodem dos and now he bring kodem dos. But Rebbe, dos a muna shlema. Zeh hem hat gezaigt fri a muna shlema in yeden yidden, a muna shlema in a Rashi, in a sheinem. Rashi didn't say a halbe vort. A kitzeh shel Yid didn't say in vain. Stam hab ik gezaigt. If you decided that this is the seder over here, this is the seder over here, and here the whole seder, the Rebbe tavakigt shtot, I'm sure you can tief in amkes dikin inyer lerne Rashi and davke pshtuto shel mikra, weiter nisht lamdus, var pashtus. Tiefst a lamdus in pashtus. Dos vey weiter az a atzmis dikin in yish g'luy. In pashtus, in ariz bringen, far vos be-pashtus Rashi dort azoy, but be-pashtus geglebt az emes is emes kol kulah. In Torah is Torah is emes and Torah is chaim. Rebbe Torah is, is, is Torah. In the shayach kan Torah is in the shayach a punkt, uh, pritzufah. No-nothing is shayach. It's, it's all, you know, it's

58:35 Speaker 1 all meduyak. So the Rebbe is medayek in every, uh, vort in Rashi, and then you see the answers how, how you see is after that, az shstimt az ikh glatik, az ikh ve-pashtus. I once heard from Rabbi Yosef Segal, er iz a srad in Yerushalayim. He said a maise. Az der rastraft tzur goyim came once to Reb Chaim Brisker and, um, he asked Reb Chaim, "Zo zogn epes a vort. Zo zogn epes." Reb Chaim took out a Ramban. Vos m'chonal de Ramban a zehr a shvere lashon. But he said a, a Ramban was mamish shver, ze klept nisht a vort tza vort. A shvere, shvere Ramban. And Reb Chaim said a pshat, az ikh Reb Chaim ken. He said a pshat tzur goyim gegosen. Tz'gi ven, uh, a s'vort of Reb Chaim, every word was fitting in there. When he finished, so der rastraft tzur goyim fregt Reb Chaim is, "Vos hot ir mechadesh given? Dos shteyt doch do." What's your chiddush? Dos-- That's exactly what the Ramban is saying. So I used to chazeres that this is the biggest chiddush that you could say. People say many chiddushim. Drush, it's beautiful. It's, uh, you know, it's gevaldik, it's geschvach, remez v'chulu. You could spring and tanzen a treflike vort. Vot dos hot iz gemeint gepshuto. Now you, you m'var and see that dos is gepshuto, is a tiefer vi al ander inyom. So the Rebbe had such a way of learning in biggest lamdus and mit a pashtus. So the Rebbe's of muna in

1:00:18 Speaker 1 Torah, in a muna in a Rashi. I remember when they came out to Pashkivilin against the Rebbe v'chulu, one of them was L'tsonas. They made L'tsonas of Bereshis Alef-Alef. The Rebbe's lamdus, the Rebbe's maadim bekuimus, moyredike maadim bekuimus. Besides, if anybody wants to be-- look at the emes, let him open a, a Igris or let-- Igris de-Eshtia or when the Rebbe schrieft-- schreib the Ein HaSefer Tachas Yodi, where he quotes pages and pages of it, v'chulu, you know. But, um, l'poel, so, so they made L'tsonas, the Rebbe every letter. So where there's steht Bereshis bara Elokim, the Rebbe schreibt Bereshis Alef-Alef. Where veist nisht Bereshis bara Elokim. So the Rebbe, it's a zehr vey geton, and the Rebbe would gekacht moyredike nem. A Yid zogt gar nisht. A Yid zogt nor vos shteyt in Torah. Mir ne ikh. If there's nisht a vort fun Torah, it's gar nisht. So if you say Aposu, you say Bereshis Alef-Alef-

1:01:16 Speaker 4 The Rebbe spoke about this.

1:01:18 Speaker 1 The Rebbe spoke about it. It's-- Dos is Torah. So every word of the Rebbe, everything, every letter, every knaitch hot gedavt zayn in Torah. There's even a sicha of the Rebbe. Grad I, I bumped into it lately. It's a sicha that's printed in Parshas Bolok, last week's Parsha. It comes yet from the Rebbe Yoel, amolo. The-- I don't even remember what the kesher is to Parshas Bolok. But the Rebbe said once that the Gemara says, Haman menatei deminay, and Esther menatei deminay, and Mordechai menatei deminay. So the Rebbe gefregt a shaila. Meile Haman menatei deminay, and we know from the Arizal that if you don't have a nitztz in kedusha, you can't be-- you can't exist. So we need to know Haman menatei deminay. Otherwise, how does he exist? But Mordechai menatei deminay, Mordechai given the, the rosh from the Anshei Knesset Hagdola. He was the, he was the rosh, Rosh Bnei HaGola. He was the, the Rebbe of Klal Israel. Vos est menatei deminay? So the Rebbe said to them, "I'm a kind of seine Rosh from ancient Knesset," sagt der, "Na tzadik vekodesh vetoir, aber fort vil ikh visn mena tore menein. Would I make it in Torah?" That's a reisa ve'Yisroel, so ikh kuch uikh dav sei chat. And if I can't find you in Torah, you can be heilig, sehr heilig. Meyredik heilig. I wanna know mena Torah, would I kesher in Torah. And that's the Rebbe's dier gevedde Torah. Jedde prat prat with the Rebbe gekucht of Torah. And that's,

1:02:48 Speaker 1 that's, uh, that's the-- vikh ikh sey a shtag in eman, the way. And it also took time. Again, because for us, it's a nisht az vi veit geluyim dik. If you don't get used to such a limit, lacht man a basif l'devkei dam. Okay, it's rishtot avakasha. Or the Rashi zekt azoyv. Here Rashi brings the name, and, uh, here Rashi says Shem Tanfuma, and here Rashi doesn't bring the Shem Tanfuma. Here Rashi says the name of the Baalam Emre, and here Rashi doesn't. Back and forth every parshah. Okay, so ingemachlem a Torah shlema. A Torah shlema. To say the klalom in the minim, and Rashi bring, ja, pasuk venish. At a nisht epes punkt. So this is a meshunedik, a meshunedik eringen this. Yeah. But again, it's a pa-- in, in pashtus. Yeah.

1:03:44 Speaker 4 There's other dugmoi in Torah also, the Rebbe's Torah, this inyan.

1:03:49 Speaker 1 L'mashal.

1:03:50 Speaker 4 I'm saying the Rebbe's whole thing in Beshitasayu, that Beshame and Beshil always have a, a kav that goes through everything. Hadraneman ashaz, you know, everything, the, the beginning and the end is connected. I'm saying-

1:04:03 Speaker 1 Okay, but that, that, that's left meshuf riyab. But a poel, the Rogatchover is giving us-

1:04:06 Speaker 4 Yeah, but it's a, it's a kav by the Rebbe.

1:04:08 Speaker 1 V'lo yeroim. Yeah, but-

1:04:10 Speaker 4 And also something that the Rebbe says every fabringen is that, uh, the fact that the name of a parshah-

1:04:17 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:04:17 Speaker 4 ... happens to be, not just happens to be, it's the beginning of the parshah, therefore it's called-- No. If y- if the name of the parshah is such, it's because there's something-

1:04:27 Speaker 1 So every word in the parshah has a shaychas-

1:04:30 Speaker 4 And the Rebbe has questions about it. L'mashal, I just saw Rebbe asking h-how could a parshah-

1:04:33 Speaker 1 Kayes sod.

1:04:34 Speaker 4 How could a parshah be called Kedach? The Rebbe, the whole, the whole sugya on it. If everything is bediuk in Torah, it's how-- But it's also part of the muna, like you're saying, 'cause the Rebbe has a kashkin of Chava Cheim. The Rebbe says, "If we know, we know the Baal Shem Tov says that everything that mezmezet, hademeheret, everything you see or hears, or you hears, they don't have et Hashem. Ach is kam vakam is something in Torah.

1:04:55 Speaker 1 In Torah, dav sei dos. Yeah. Yeah. So the Rebbe's a muna in, in, in, in a reisa.

1:05:01 Speaker 4 Also, also in Torah and mitzvahs, l'mashal, l'mashal, the whole inyan of, of what we spoke before, the Rebbe's a muna nait. Ob a vid the Rebbe tsu geegang it's a nait. I, I, I, I once heard in the name of Rabbi Weinberg, the head of Ishatara. I, I-- If I'm not mistaken, I, whoops. I heard it from a krantemerker, that he said that, uh, l'poel were doing such good things and, and everybody's entitled to believe in what he's doing, that, that he's great and he's better, and I have no taynes to another Rebbe. It's like a tayne of Shulesha Teyre makes it even more balachuv than the Lubavitch. Whatever. I, I don't mind. It's, it's okay. It's fine. Other Rebbes, other Machan. But then he said one nekuda. He said, "But one thing ken ich vermest mit Lubavitch. One thing I can't." He says, "If I wanna put on a somebody tvill, I need a few weeks. I need to sit down with him and explain him, first of all, Torah v'Nashemai, and show him the Mesires right. And then explain what the nekuda of tvillnes after these parshiyos, and what's a tutoyv, v'chulu. And then when he's a keli and a hetcher and a vart, then I can ask him maybe if, are you shayeach, and if he's, if he's willing and try a little bit." He says, "The Lubavitcher Rebbe could take a, a dratn yeri gingela or getting gas and, you know, and just ask a person just right off the bat,

1:06:35 Speaker 4 just, 'Can you put on tvill?'" He says, "I, I, I... That I-- Ich kez ich mit dem shvermest." And that is another nekuda nishtona Yisroel, because the Rebbe could have approached Yisroel, as we spoke before, also through making erechim and making vikuchim and having set up a lot of, uh, discussions and bringing Yin close. The Rebbe chose a different derech. The Rebbe chose let Torah do it. So the Rebbe shtrelemt on this. The Rebbe shtre is a non-nafshi k'sov es Yehovis. The Rebbe shtre is a charangelekt in Torah. And that's the kesher to a yit, a reisa v'kudsh ubikhi Yisroel. A part tvill will do the job more than any vikuchim in the world. Emes a muna in the Mishnah, mitzvah geres mitzvah. As one mitzvah will bring another mitzvah. And, and the muna as a yita shaychas, as a mitzvah is the Rebbe shtrelem. Like in Tanya Peri Dalet, the what? That as machshava dibur yemeista, which is poel mamash, is hecher vi alle giluyim v'ahava v'yira. We should learn this later for them ganz narichas, whatever the, the Tanya. But a muna, a mitzvah. A mitzvah is k'dush ubikhi. If I made it, that's how the Rebbe and all the moifsum of the Rebbe, which are millions, 90% of them are all around the mitzvah. 90% of them is around the mitzvah. Uh, people wish to come to the Rebbe, where did he design the mezuzahs? Where did he design the tvill? And then, of course, they went home and it was not

1:08:12 Speaker 4 good, and they changed it. Okay. To ganushlich. It's Torah. Torah did it So let, there's a letter from the Rebbe. There's more than one in this style, but one I'm thinking of. Someone wrote to the Rebbe with shailas in Ramuna, and the Rebbe was telling him that first and foremost you must act in your chayye hayom yamim according to the tefillin mitzvahs. The Rebbe gives a mashal. The Rebbe says, "If you're hungry, it's not gonna help if I explain to you any muskalas or anything, napesechel. You're hungry, you can't think." So the Rebbe's telling, the Rebbe's telling this person, "First fill your, your, yourself, fill yourself up with tefillin mitzvahs, then we can discuss 'cause the prob- the shailas probably won't even be there l'chatchilah."

1:09:04 Speaker 1 I saw once this letter, and maybe it's not exactly the same letter. I'll, I'll tell you a maise shehoya. I was in the Chabad house in Suffern many years ago, and we allowed people to ask shailas b'gavra l'gavra. S-so there was one person-

1:09:22 Speaker 4 Is that-

1:09:22 Speaker 1 ... that was partial. Go ahead.

1:09:24 Speaker 4 When, when you moved to Monsey you opened up a Chabad house.

1:09:28 Speaker 1 Uh, yeah, we had a Chabad house for many years. First in Monsey, then it was in Suffern. And my son now ha- runs it, runs it, it's in now in Montebello, close to Suffern. Yeah. So, so we allowed people to ask shailas b'gavra l'gavra on the Parsha. So it was Parshas Re'eh or Parshas Shmini, we're talking about kashrus. And there was a Yid there who was a very smart, clever man, but he wasn't keeping kashrus. So he raised his hand and he said, "Reb Gantz, don't you believe that all of our Jewish brethren, I, I mean the secular Jews, they're all hypocrites?" I asked him, "Harold, how, how so? Why?" He says, "Because I know many of them who keep kosher at home, a-and when they go outside in a restaurant they don't keep kosher. Aren't they hypocrites?" So I realized right away where he's going. In other words, this was the excuse why he doesn't keep kosher, because he is not a hypocrite. So I reminded myself of this letter of the Rebbe. I saw... It's, it, maybe it's not exactly the same letter. It saw somebody writes to the Rebbe that he doesn't wanna put on tefillin because he's not a hypocrite, and it, no- nothing in his life he does before he understands it. He doesn't understand things, he doesn't do it. So why should he put tefillin, put on, he doesn't understand what tefillin is. And the Rebbe's answer to him in a very nice way, in a very, um, diplomatic

1:10:57 Speaker 1 way, but telling him basically, "The statement you just said that you're not a hypocrite is the biggest hyp- hypocritical statement you ever said in your life. Because don't you fly an airplane? Do you understand aerodynamics exactly? Can you put together an engine for an airplane? Do you know how the wings work? What are you talking about?" You know, when you are s- 13 years old and you start... Or, or five years old and your mother gives you oat bran, you understand how the oat bran makes you live, you understand exactly how, how the enzymes work and how they change it into energy and something like that? Who knows then? If you're eating for 18, 19 years, you may, m- you might end up in medical school or maybe then you'll think at least you know, you understand the digestive system. But first you have to eat for 18 years. So says the Rebbe, now a punkt when it comes to ruhnius, which is not even in our world. It's, a tefillin's a piece of heaven, which is a heavenly connection, which has nothing to do with gashmius. Which has to do with tatzilues with eilim v'selionim billions of miles away. Yeah, and, and you wanna understand it before you put it on for five years? Says you put it on for a few years, and then you'll get... So it could be it's the same letter, but I took out the nekuda as everything in life you first do and then you understand. It doesn't

1:12:17 Speaker 1 work the other way around. But then that's the emes a hypocrite. When it comes to ruhnius, doch then oh, no, no, no. In gashmius don't do that. So I told this fellow, I told this fellow, so based on this letter, I told him, said, "Tell me, Harold, I hear you. So all Yidden are hypocrites. So what do you rather want? They should stop keeping kosher at home or start also keeping kosher in the restaurant?" He started laughing very hard. He got the point. So then he asked me-

1:12:50 Speaker 4 That's a famous maise. The guy says, "Haged is a machlikus, and Rashab been a Tam. I don't get involved with machlikus." So, so I don't put on any.

1:12:58 Speaker 1 Exactly.

1:12:58 Speaker 4 Yeah.

1:12:59 Speaker 1 Yeah. Vashteis, I don't get involved with machlikus. Yeah. So I had him on a cover who said, "You're a shitchi." And I'm like, "What, what, what?" So I come cook, and Amed Alef Rebbe says, "Mutter." The same story, kimat is exactly the same story. Amed Beis Rebbe says, "Oser." So he says, "What's the Reiss take up?" Amed Alef is Amed Alef. Amed Beis is Amed Beis. comes from clippets. clippets. So-

1:13:32 Speaker 4 There's actually, there's, there's a certain vartet because I don't know, maybe teenagers, I don't know exactly, some people like they go, they wanna understand everything. There's a maise, Herbert, uh, Weiner.

1:13:45 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:13:45 Speaker 4 There's a video of him saying that he wrote a book, Nine and a Half Mystics and-

1:13:49 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:13:49 Speaker 4 ... about the Rebbe. He said he was Ezras Kedreit in the Yud since 1770.

1:13:54 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:13:54 Speaker 4 So he says in a video that he asked the Rebbe that he sees that the, the Bachrim, he, they have a certain naivete to them. And the Rebbe told him, "It's not a naivete." It's, they don't-- He, this is the way he says. He says, "They don't have a keda."

1:14:12 Speaker 1 Ma ze?

1:14:13 Speaker 4 They're not torn. It's timimus. It's, it's, it's-

1:14:18 Speaker 1 Oh, timimus. Uh-huh

1:14:19 Speaker 4 ... it's not, it's not, it's n- it's not, it's not naivete, it's shalom, it's gantz. It's, there's no keda. So-

1:14:26 Speaker 1 So it's not lamata mitamada, so it's lamaya mitamada.

1:14:28 Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:29 Speaker 1 Yeah. So coming back to the story. So, so I told this f-- So the fellow asked me, um, uh, s-so basically what I told him is in o- in other words, uh, a diplomatic way, in other words, "The reason you're not keeping kosher is because you claim you don't wanna be a hypocrite. So let me ask you, if anybody cannot win a $20 million, uh, lottery ticket, he could only win a 10 million, would he not go for it? Or if somebody cannot get two kidneys donated, will he not go for one? Since when is, is that hyp- hypocrisy? Start keeping kosher at home. You get a chance, we'll sh- switch." So he says, "If that's not hyp- hypocrisy, what is?" I said, doing just a little bit and not doing everything is not hypocrisy. So I told them the, the story, maybe I heard it once from, from Yossi Jacobson, whatever, uh, pssta, our maestro, that there was a guy who, who had a cleaners, opened with a, with a shooter of the cleaners, it was a fancy upscale cleaners, and a guy brought in a suit which was worth three thousand dollars, and he found in the back pocket a creased, a fancy new hundred dollar bill. Took it out, slipped it into his pocket. And the cover found out, the shooter found out six months later is what happened. He started screaming at him, "You hypocrite. A man brings a fancy suit to you, pays six hundred dollars just for the cleaning,

1:15:58 Speaker 1 and you have the audacity to take a hundred dollar bill and not even split it with me? What a hypocrite." That's hypocrisy. Under the name of, of religion, under the name of morality, doing criminal things. Not keeping kosher under the name of religion, that's hypocrisy. Okay, but but, um, um, so coming back to, to the Rebbe was holding every move was, was about film, mitzvah, a mitzvah. Not the mitzvah

1:16:36 Speaker 5 So I saw a crazy, I saw a crazy video. A, a, a Yid comes to the Rebbe, uh, pay the shekel, whatever, see the shekel, you know. And he says, "The Rebbe told me to be betting the film. I checked it and there's nothing wrong." So Rebbe says, "There mu- mu- must be... Doesn't make sense." Like

1:17:02 Speaker 1 I, I was involved personally in such a story. And, um, for names like vice is the memes with, you know, what I'm talking about. When I was advised to serve, the Rebbe got taken like he was sitting on a computer and sitting on a screen as it was actually reminds us.

1:17:17 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:17:17 Speaker 1 I was, I was, I was, uh, this was my sentimental letter. He wrote into the Rebbe about something, and the Rebbe wro- told him to be waiting till. And, uh, he went to a safe. He was waiting, and he wrote back to the Rebbe that everything is fine. The Rebbe answered, "Tell God. Tell God." So we opened it ourselves and we found something. Went back to the safe and it's the gate, the product was in the gate.

1:17:44 Speaker 5 Wow.

1:17:45 Speaker 1 Went back to safe. Safe said, "Yeah, it's true." The reason he gave a reason why I didn't say it, whatever.

1:17:50 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:17:51 Speaker 1 I might as sure. No, don't say I'm the mice. The safe it was right too, but it's the gate. But the Rebbe said, "Tell God."

1:18:01 Speaker 5 Hmm.

1:18:01 Speaker 1 You know, when the, when the Rebbe give them posh it as well as gig late as I rise to Israel, but Mila, he thought Ariak gave him and the mitzvah said that Ariak gave him for now you'd enter the Kesher. This is a posh it. And what's up to my sadach of her bicycles at the Chevish that he used to go to the doctor and he would come home and he wouldn't take the medicine. So the Rebbe sent him with Rick, one of sh- if you're a tzadik and you're living La Mila from Derech HaTeva, then why do you go to the doctor? If you rely on Derech HaTeva, a Stadlers, then you have to take the medicine. So he said, "I'm a very, I'm very difficult in the, in diagnosing." I eat at Ariak gave him. I said, "Connect Ariak mitzvahs." what this is. So I go to the doctor, he diagnoses me, it was the left kidney. Okay, now I know exactly what I need to do. Now finish my medicine.

1:19:01 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:19:01 Speaker 1 I know what to do.

1:19:02 Speaker 5 It's actually, uh, you remind me of another letter from the Rebbe. I haven't seen this letter in many, many years, so hopefully someone will correct me if I'm saying it wrong. But I think it says, "Hashpede, she ask peteyah," right? You have a headache.

1:19:14 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:19:15 Speaker 5 So the Rebbe says, "But it doesn't work." So the Rebbe... Sometimes it doesn't work.

1:19:20 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:19:21 Speaker 5 So I think the Rebbe says, "We don't know which chelek and teyah. There's a chelek and teyah."

1:19:28 Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

1:19:28 Speaker 5 Every, every... Gash was the stash of it looks nice to Mila. It's not just a spiritual thing. It's because we don't know which chelek it is. See, you have to con-

1:19:35 Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

1:19:35 Speaker 5 So continue learning until, till you get to that chelek with the... But that's the same pa... Your health is, is a direct correlation with, with, with the, your

1:19:43 Speaker 1 Yes.

1:19:44 Speaker 5 It's, it's, there it is.

1:19:46 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:19:46 Speaker 5 And a schooler.

1:19:47 Speaker 1 I, I-

1:19:47 Speaker 5 It's a...

1:19:49 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. I know of a... When we opened the Chabad House, we, uh, for Shabbos made a kiddush, and we asked everybody to say a few words. So the first person I asked, his name was Mr. Pelosola Shalom. I asked him to say a word, and he said, "I don't speak in the limelight." I, uh... He's a shy person. So I said, "Okay. This does this. Next." When everybody finished talking, he said, "I was inspired. I wanna say something." And he stood up and he said, "Once upon a Friday, when Labavichers do what they do," meaning with Zion. So there were two kids, uh, teenagers who were walking around with that film, and they walked up the stairs of the Fifth Avenue Library. Fifth Avenue Library on Fifth Avenue, it's, I think it's a block wide. It's a, it's a landmark in New York. I think it has marble stairs that go the whole block, stairs down. So there was a couple coming down, a mother, a father, and a daughter, and the two bachurim were walking up And they spotted that couple, and they asked the little girl, "Are you Jewish?" And she answered proudly with a huge smile, "Yes, I am." So they asked her, "Are you lighting Shabbos candles?" She started shrugging shoulders. "Me? My mom when she doesn't have a business meeting, when we make a Shabbos meal. She does sometimes." So the Rocherim told her that the Lubavitcher Rebbe requests and asks in such a darkness in the world, we need

1:21:32 Speaker 1 light in the world, you know. And so, uh, they gave her a pack of neshek. So this Yid continues, and he says, "And that little girl never, ever missed a Shabbos, a Friday afternoon, a Friday night without lighting Shabbos candles. Never." And he continues, "And now she's a mother of six and lives in the Five Towns, and she's, um, the mikveh lady." And then he started crying and choking and couldn't talk further, and he said, "And that little girl is my daughter." It's a beautiful story. And I asked the Mr. Palace, "This is the story you wanted to hold back from us? Is this the story you wanted to hold back?"

1:22:17 Speaker 5 You know, you know what's fascinating? There's a sicha from the Rebbe-

1:22:20 Speaker 1 And this is not printed... It's not printed in any place. It's not-

1:22:24 Speaker 5 Right

1:22:24 Speaker 1 ... there's not a shliach. There's are millions of stories every day.

1:22:27 Speaker 5 There's a sicha from the Rebbe about neshek.

1:22:30 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:22:30 Speaker 5 And the Rebbe, it's like a long sicha that the Rebbe describes that she's gonna start lighting, a girl, and then the mother's gonna start, and then it's gonna... Rebbe goes on like a, a ten-minute or more derech about how it affects just the neshek from the little girl-

1:22:45 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:22:45 Speaker 5 ... and it's amazing to hear.

1:22:47 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:22:47 Speaker 5 To hear-

1:22:48 Speaker 1 But, but, but, but, but think of it. You could look at this as already as, as a domino effect. Basically, as a gashmiydike outcome, as a kind sin was done ish far a kind and then the mother. But the, the Rebbe could have done it with, with sending a challah or with doing something else also. You know, the Rebbe did it with a mitzvah because the Rebbe did it davka neshek vasser doch choshech haveld, davka lichtigkeit. Chazal made it a konna to tzin the Shabbos licht shlo ikoshel ve'retzeh ve'even. That's a nishtach. That's a shlo ikoshel that takes away a michsel. These lights have sh-shined a world. Azoy vi chilo oiro yitzo the neiros hamikdash, a lichtige macht di gantse velt. These neiros that Chazal were kereia. And yes, noch a klein maidel tzin and noch a klein maidel, yeah. Ker est ibre haveld, macht ibre haveld. This is the m- that's their, their pashtus and their emunah. Emunah in Torah and emunah in mitzvahs. I, I, I have another story. My son, Shmuel Zavl, when he was, uh, learning in Maristan, so he used to go to musaf, I think it was... He went to Newark. And some Shabbosim, he would come home and take the train from Newark to Suffern. I'd have to run to get him ten minutes before shkia, pick him up, whatever. I remember one Shabbos, it was, like, so late, and I had to go to the Chabad House and for Shabbos, it was, it was, uh... I begged

1:24:12 Speaker 1 him, "Maybe there's some Yidden on the train." He said, "Tati, there's nobody on the train. There's..." I looked around, there's no Yidden. So I started driving out, and I got a phone call a minute later. "Tati, I found a Yid. You don't have to come." So he said he walked... Somebody walked off the train, took out a yarmulke from his pocket and put it on. So he went over and he asked him, "Can you take me to, to Monsey?" My son didn't look like a Lubavitcher in those days. He did-- He, he went with the Vizhnitzer kapele with a shtreimel and a hitel, not with Lubavitch livush. So on the way, uh, he asked him, "Who are you? Where do you live?" He says he lives in Blueberry Hill, which is a certain area in Monsey. So slowly, it-it's a ride of ten minutes. In the ten-minute ride, he told him that I used to go... I belonged in Nanuet, um, Jewish Center. I got married. A few years went by, didn't have any children. Tried everything. He went into his rabbi, which was a conservative rabbi. The rabbi took him into his office and he told him in secrecy, "If you wanna be helped to have a child, write a letter to the Lubavitcher Rebbe." It's a conservative rabbi. The whole was to finish our children. So I wrote a letter to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and I got an answer. And the answer was, "If you'll keep the taharat hamishpacha bediuk, there will be

1:25:32 Speaker 1 a child." Simple. On taharat hamishpacha, you can have a child. Said, "What did you do for children?" He said, "I bought the, the simple, simple English translation of the Code of Jewish Law, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, with no fancy explanations of today. And we started keeping. And sure enough, by next year, we had a baby. We had a girl." He says, "The girl turned three, and I wanted to send her to a playgroup, to starting public school, whatever, preschool." My wife says, "Uh, a gift of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, you can't send to public school. Sorry, you can't send her to zazakh." So they send her. There was a, there was a Hebrew school ran by Jep, I think Mrs. Greenwald. They had a lot of, a lot of Friah kids. Monsey had tons and tons of, of, of Yidden those days, um, Friah Yidden. And she had a very successful Hebrew school. So they send her to that Hebrew school. She came home the first week, and she opened the fridge and asked, "Mommy, where's the OU over here? Where's the OK? I don't see it." For states, they have enough to unfungun. Then they asked them, "Where's the Shabbos candles, and where's this and that?" And slowly but surely, you know, we had to move to Monsey and starting to keep a frumish dip.

1:26:47 Speaker 5 Wow.

1:26:47 Speaker 1 The whole. My sigait writer, the kids are just when they could. So then he told the story as an innocent story. He didn't even know there's a Lubavitcher.

1:26:55 Speaker 5 Right.

1:26:56 Speaker 1 He told them that story in the, in the toisen ter, in the sandike toisen dermaisis. In the emunah for vos from the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch. Not a Moishes. Not a Moifs. By, by the way, it's interesting. I think they say it in the name of Satmarov that, you know, just they, they did not learn whatever. So it's like a private Rebbe. So they say-- He used to say a lot, lot of Rebbes of Priven and Moifs. Ich willst then the Oysis, the Oysis and Moifs. The Oysis they know I wanna see, not just the Moifs. But I'm Rebbe, the Oysis and the Moifs were all one thing. The Moifs came from the Oysis, I tell you. Claim in a clean Lichtela. In a Lichtela or in a Sifun Shucharach. That's the Moifs. So the Rebbe's Amuna in Yedin Prat prat. Now, when Rebbe's Amuna, that, that I, I have to tell you in the beginning, it bothered me gefurlach. I, I, I wasn't used to that, that atsmus, to that pashtes. And I come into Yedin Sikhe, and the first half an hour was that Hind is Yom Gimel, and says Pashes Bullock, and said Bash Gochel Yona Yud Gimel, and said Dash Gochel. And what the hero is, you learn not from this diuk. You're going atsam. You have, you, you have a what to say. Let's hear Epסה. God, the Rebbe's Amuna. Where for the world? Ash Gochel Prat is their, their rege where the Mahavim Chaye the world. So the Bashem says

1:28:30 Speaker 1 you have to learn a hero from everything like Alsus Bash Gochel Yona called Prat prat. The Rebbe Koch in them. Koch in them. Yeme the Pagas will libergen without making a chana to it and Yeme the Pagas at the stam.

1:28:46 Speaker 5 And unpacking the Shabbos afterwards.

1:28:49 Speaker 1 Yeah, every little prat. Yeah. So, so.

1:28:55 Speaker 5 So you, you said, Yisroel Eraisa. There's a continuation to this thesis?

1:29:01 Speaker 1 I guess that's like Kuchulif, you know.

1:29:05 Speaker 5 Oh.

1:29:06 Speaker 1 Yeah. Bechalal.

1:29:14 Speaker 5 Um, by the way, you reminded me of a fabringen that you did many years ago.

1:29:19 Speaker 1 Which one?

1:29:20 Speaker 5 The way you work. I remember you were talking about the three Chedushim of the Baal Shemtov. And you spoke about it, whatever. You tr-- You, you spent time on the first one, on the second one, and the third one.

1:29:34 Speaker 1 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

1:29:34 Speaker 5 So

1:29:36 Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

1:29:36 Speaker 5 This is a kav by you.

1:29:38 Speaker 1 Can't say. Um, bechalal. This Amuna Namitzvah heks Hashanah from Altar Ebb. What I said before, in the Peri Dalet, the Altar Ebb Kochten, in the Machshava Dibberim Maises higher than, than all the Giluyim of Ahava VeYirah, because Ahava VeYirah, Sof Kosov is the person. And even though he was Mazmer BaRichas Peri Gimel, that is the Esos Fidis, and the Neshamah is a Chelek Elikam Amal, but the Nishtals will give on the Poel. Chelek Elikam Amal, but it could become Tzippernayim. The Sof Kosov, Sof Kosov, Ahava VeYirah is Ahava VeYirah of us. Amitzvah does the Rebshte. Yet Amotne, Abravam Ayar, Alav Hasalom. He said, "A Yid zokt." A Yid says, "Chab Holt." Chab Holt the Meibsh. Holt means in the Babich Yiddish, I love. I love the Eibshter. So he said, "Veysach Nisht." Maybe he means a Shendalat. I don't know what's her main punkt. Maybe Apsharot her Mogin Beren. Maybe he has heartburn inkep or something. Ich veys nisht vas. Od Zechem Ton Amitzvah, Od Veysach Das the Rebshte. If I see him doing Amitzvah, Od Das the Rebshte. Because Les Machshavot Viso Be Klal, Ki Ema Yedei Torei Mitzvahs, Vider Altar Ebb sagt. That Vider Ebb is the Dolle Matres, not Torei Mitzvahs, nothing else. Yeah. In Peri Mem, the Altar Ebb goes in BaRichas Godel. The Altar Ebb says that even though without the Chila Chima, without Ahava VeYirah, the Parchas Leilah, Mitzvahs go up LaMailas only through, through Ahava VeYirah. It's Bemelah, it's Bas. And nevertheless, says the Altar Ebb, Nitl Akra

1:31:34 Speaker 1 is kosher. A chicken that doesn't have the wings is kosher. But if any Chelek, other Chelek misses, a vital Chelek is treif. So the Sof Kosov, the Mitzvah is the main thing. Parchas Leilah dav, davon okome Tzaha VeYirah. And if Nisht, this Nisham Parchas Leilah, but the Inyan Tzachab Gitan. It's Nis Parchas Leilah, so Dav Nesala Verden, Tzadikim Dav Mailasan Das, Dav M'Tshuva Tan Mailasan Das. LePoel, the She'Amarti Venase Retzeini, the Shechinah Zaraga Kome Lamata. The, the, Der Amarti, it's the exact Parsha, actually. Reyach Nichoyach. She'Amarti Venase Retzeini, Der Inyan Amitzvah Dos the Rebshte. So Der Inyan, so it reminds me of Mainzah. I was learning with a man, Lechder. I told you, you probably heard from me the story many times about the Fabringens. I learned with a man, Lechder. I was not Labavich Machlal. I didn't know. I don't think I knew of Labavich Machlal at that time. And he was teaching to the Peri Dalet Tanya. So a young man sitting next to me, and he says, "Alumni Talmidim used to come, Altarit Bacharim, Altarit Talmidim used to come to, to Shirim." So he told me, "Okay, from now on, Komech Nishadam Shir. I'm not coming to the Shir." Why not? He said because he saw in Zekaran Zois from Choise from Oblin that he says that a Hachana from Amitzvah is Gresse with the Mitzvaleh. In other words, it says that the Ahava VeYirah, the Rarum is meh with the Mitzvaleh. I don't think it says that in Zohar, but his

1:33:15 Speaker 1 understanding was the mitzvah is not maybe an emtzoi tzutzukumen tzehavir. The mitzvah le'alav davka. So, so I told him, this is my, this is my, my, my stam naidishe gedanken. So I asked him, tell me, let's call him, let's call him Berl. So I asked him, Berl, do you think that, uh, do you think that, uh, you have ahavah v'yirah? Shmechel said, of course not. So I said, I'm asking you, do you think that you're gonna have ahavah v'yirah when you're gonna be thir-thirty-five? So he smiles. He's like, "No, you know what? I meant sixty-five." So he looks around him-himself, and he knows the people around that he lives today. Who does he know has ahavah v'yirah? So I told him, I said to Berl, if you would live in the time of Reb Meir from Shlanov, and you'd get shirayim from Meir from Shlanov, and somehow that would put in the ahavah v'yirah into you, then ahead, the machlokis of tzadikim. The Chozeh from Lublin says the ahavah v'yirah is first. The Ba'al HaTanya says that the mitzvah is first. Machlokis, so it's not in zedek, okay? So you stick with the Chozeh from Lublin. He says, but if you're meida that you're not gonna have ahavah v'yirah, if you're going with that derech, you're totally lost. You have nothing. But if you're gonna learn Chassidus, you learn Tanya, I don't know if you have ahavah v'yirah, but maybe while you'll be forty, you will have a shtikel kitzl, efes ketzei, az ich, a

1:34:57 Speaker 1 korud samechemer, a Yelud Ish, a tipas ruch, ken ton a nachas ruch az vi on ahavah v'yirah, grobe, grobe mentsh vi ich bin. Ki'd Raboinu Sheloyim says, she'amarti venaseh v'etza'eni. Un dort ligt dereb isht er aleyn. Dort is anah nafshik, so ves yehavis. Dos is tofes bei, davka durach di mitzvah. I don't know if you have ahavah v'yirah, but efes a reichkeit, a geshmak in a mitzvah, maybe you'll have one day. So it's not you-- Now everybody has to learn Tanya, according to your cheshbon, because otherwise, you have to bring me the rebbes who are gonna bring the ahavah v'yirah back to us. So in a kitzer, ich hob khashtoltsirt mit mayn vort meirilik. Gevaldig, a tifer vort. Oh! So a few years later down the road, quite a few years later, I went to the Rebbe Yael to-

1:35:50 Speaker 5 They say when you buy a fabringen, make sure to say something because that's what you'll remember.

1:35:54 Speaker 1 Az vos? Say it when I fabringen?

1:35:56 Speaker 5 When you add a fabringen, you should make sure to say something because you'll remember it.

1:36:03 Speaker 1 So I-- a few years later, Reb Yael was sitting, sitting shiva nachash vesters. And so I went, uh, I went to my chaver, Rebbe Isaac Lefkowitz. I went to, to Reb Menachem Ovel. He was sitting alone, dark in his room. Nobody was there, still. And Ovel, dos nisht rednen kene shog go nisht. And er zogt mir, "Andovet, andovet, zog epes, zog epes." Ich zog, "Epes for Reb Yael?" I was lost. But er gevutcht, "Zog epes, zog epes." Un shoy, un shgant kam breyre. And I told him this whole story that I just told you. Reb Yael tracht. And finally er zogt mir, "Andovet, der reibayzn, tzen ligar moron luket a teyde ves esteyt, at achana fen amitzvas greses fen amitzvah." I'll show you tens of times in Luket a teyde where it says that achana fen amitzvah is bigger than the mitzvah. I was like, "Woo." So my gantse teyde was-

1:37:13 Speaker 5 Out the window

1:37:14 Speaker 1 He says, "Nor vos den. Vos teyt fen Tanya nisht a ze. Nor vos den." Here comes Reb Yael's heart. He says, "But, oybas emes, as a mitzvah is the biggest thing in the world, and there's nothing bigger than a mitzvah, then achana fen amitzvah is even bigger. But if you think the only thing is the ahavah v'yirah, and the mitzvah is only an amtzoy, is a garnisht, then the mitzvah is garnisht mit garnisht." Dos is a natife vart, Reb Yael's vart. In other words, let, let me explain it. You walk into a sukkah, and you see beautiful, beautiful noy sukkah, and you're blown away. Wow. Ze a keyliv an vey, a beautiful sukkah. If your speilus is only about the noy sukkah, you missed the point. A sukkah is tzidde d'meh menusa. Simple, nice walls with simple schach. Az di kilah, a kleynah, az dos nigun gos. Yeah? En bretlech gemeyneh v'cholo. Dort zits t'shchinah hagdeshe. Dort de reb isht er aleyn, vek iz det a sukkah. Va'sukkah isteyshu shivas yomim, de reboynesh leybn gezogt, "Nor vos den?" An elech yid, an民カ mak-- a民カ v-v-klam Yisroel, az vos? Der oybas, dos a mitzvah, un dos iz t'shchinah. Efes ze a keyliv an veyu, so you have to put it in. It should be the nicest house in the world. Let's put beautiful shteden in there. Let's put beautiful noy sukkah. Let's, let's make it beautiful. But if your speilus, and if, and if you walk into a Labavitcher sukkah, which you

1:39:01 Speaker 1 don't see the giluyim, you don't see the noy sukkah, and you just see a sukkah, and you make a nabecht, nabecht, dos teych to eych men a sukkah, you missed the point. The hester that emes is a mitzvah de gres tesach, that a sukkah is the biggest thing, and because of this, you say it's such a mitzvah you do it ara ahavah v'yirah. Such a mitzvah you do with kaltkeit, without it being the baditcher vert tsvrechendem glos far an esrik. Ha kere bi? Dos t'shchinah neyn dereb ishte. Dos a mitzvah. It, i-i-it az mus im a hutza yisborach. Ha ken yid ara have ahavah v'yirah? Un den, ahavah v'yirah is nisht-- ahavah v'yirah is not a zeite gesach. That's noy sukkah. It's the ahavah v'yirah that comes from the mitzvah. A yid did a mitzvah. You know what this mitzvah is? Brings him to ahavah v'yirah. But if the conclusion is, az vos, the mitzvah is a amtzoy, only ya gezayes, punkta gezayes, yech, vef es ich mach, mach men zach az a nisht gezayes, punkt, yech vey, svey. Ve nikker iz der, der koch, then it will niktech nilo garnisht mit garnisht. Dos is the hert as da mitzvah.

1:40:14 Speaker 5 Koch in what?

1:40:15 Speaker 1 Koch in what? Yeah. So it's not noya sukkah, it's noya. It's not from a sukkah. Yeah. So that, that, that, that's the beer, what's the beer that Nazberg gave in. And the Alter Rebbe, this is Mazberg, nach sach bleitzer azoy. But, uh, in Tanya aleyn geht et hineh tzerik, the ahavah v'yirah v'chol. But, but dos iz de nekudah. But der herden in den-- the ahavah v'yirah stem, di alle giluyim kumen fun dem atzmus, fun der herden. Ad der Bonish Leiner hot gezogt, der Saba kodesh baruch hu, "Dire b'tachteiynem in der mitzvah, dot, dos vil ich. Dot bin ich." That should bring you to the biggest ahavah v'yirah as can az sein. That should lead you to, to... So the Rebbe would g-- so by the Rebbe, dos iz geven der mitzvah, dos vot ibber mach a shtub, vot ibber mach a ganz Klal Yisroel. And so we see the thousands of, of the Rebbe's amunah in a yid, amunah in a mitzvah, in a mezuzah, in tefillin, in a sefer, in kitzur Shulchan Aruch. That's-

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1:42:46 Speaker 1 B'meileh, and that's why you see if people had a problem with that amunah in a mitzvah. Um, so first of all, this whole inyan tzufashteyn mit zayn. They, they, they couldn't, they couldn't handle it. Eitz is a shein a, a nachla saklal. You know, everybody's trying to follow that putting on tefillin. But b- because if you take it nid ahavah v'yirah, and you need the trimmings, and otherwise the sukkah is b'chal kan sukkah nisht, and the tefillin b'chal kan tefillin nisht. So what are you doing? Yeah. V'hayei fakert, the mitzvah's a mitzvah. You know. It gives a different der her in meiner a mitzvah. Ich hab dir, you know, in-- s'ein zach. And zweitens take it, iz a hider in a mitzvah, the hider in a mitzvah. Der is shaka bi kipshuto, yol protom, iz a negeia, all the shitas and allen yonom a mitzvah is, is, is, is, is, is, is rebshteh. A mitzvah is rebshteh. And that's the Rebbe's koch. That's the Rebbe's koch in a mitzvah. I just wanna say a nekudah, a tzteit nekudah teire. In the beginning of nekudah teire, in Parashat Pekudei, zogt der Alter Rebbe that a mitzvot aseh is, is mugbal. The ohr that comes down in a mitzvot aseh is davka mugbal. A sukkah darf zayn, zayn, all zayn, and s'kenes zayn l'ma'alam esrim amah v'chol, esrig as a shir v'chol, a lulav. So b'meileh, the ohr that comes down is also ohr haMugbal. Ma she'enken a lo seser, iz nisht l'ma'aseh b'poel. V'rikalt, venisht dann

1:44:34 Speaker 1 a lo seser, dem iz de ohr iz bli gvul. B'meileh, v'dafa bol trachtn, az amol fargesnt men, a, de koch fun Chassidus iz geven nisht dann davka in a, in a mitzvot aseh. Dot hert zikh iz jedet knuah fun Chassidus ret ving alle mitzvot. Ama daf der herden dem emes l'amito, az na lo seser, dort zol, zol der Rebshteh. Venisht ohr, der Alter Rebbe zogt dort, iz bli gvul ma'aseh. Bli gvul ma'aseh. And that's why it's harder sometimes. To tan a mitzvah. I used to have a person in my Chabad house, he used to tell me, "Rabbi, I love all the do's. The don'ts is the problem. I like to-- I dav- daven every day. I put on tefillin every day. Uh, you can't come to shul with a car, that's a very istikal problem. Because I fast, you know, in Kippur. I-- the whole day in shul. I do all the do's. But the don'ts, that's very, very difficult. That's restrictions." So I told him that's why we eat Chanukah doughnuts. Make sure that the do-nots are equally important that the do's, and maybe even more important. Yeah. Ich zog es legab oyns shins uns geret. Ama dafa mash tikl, ash tikl koch un ash tikl push in in yonom. Af, uh, dos kind in yonom fun Tzniyus adar ader in yonom, dem vot shvikit iz a tiker. And, uh, ama daf wisn, dem Rebbe's koch un toire is, is, is, is in, in a mitzvah We're flat in a yawn, which is state--

1:46:07 Speaker 1 clearly verbunden. Klar verbunden with the, with, um, um, state in Pasik. Well, a year ago, I was David Shaw. Chalila was Shaw. My uncle had a state in unfunk Pasik. Is the last name Pasik. You know, um, no, shit. Rebisit, give me care of Machnecha, Natzilcha. We'll lost this ever be your decker. That's a Hamas Matsov, anti-Semitism. And that's the-- that's a very, very weird enough me to denken. The Rabbinic layer was okay when be care of Machnecha, Natzilcha.

1:46:46 Speaker 6 Keshem, Meshal of Kerach Machnecha.

1:46:49 Speaker 1 Meshal of Kerach Machnecha. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, Haba.

1:46:56 Speaker 6 Tzenaim V'es Quierson.

1:46:59 Speaker 1 What is it?

1:47:00 Speaker 6 Tzenaim V'es Quierson.

1:47:01 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

1:47:02 Speaker 6 Another Pasuk.

1:47:05 Speaker 1 So that was in a song. That was in a song by Ydenay Namashira, Dafistan. No, what, what I'm saying is the Gabba, you see this has such a Koch in the midst of say, in a filler fray, it is not gay. It's a halt by them to a filler gleip in them to nicht. Weißt a filler nicht, a gleip, you know, gitande sach. I remember there's a sehr üchtlig Gabba Laysas. They wissen, not the Rebisht. I remember, you know, it's come to a mashul in inyanim, verschieden inyanim with me. Ken zecher namol abitlim. Yeah, a knepel a ruif, a knepel a ruif, a halbin sharuif, a halbin sharuif. Yeah. Pachik, kilich, lilich, pachim, kitanim. It's like saying the kazayas matzah. Oh, is it taki kazayas or not a kazayas? There's nothing in the midst of say, so the midst of Laysas picked as a. On the, the Rebisht, the dart is nach. I think I can say-

1:48:00 Speaker 6 The Rebbe, I'm saying, there's a, I had a, there's a famous Ha'aretz L'Chodesichas that the Rebbe said should be bold and big.

1:48:10 Speaker 1 There's two places. Tziniyis and Eshk. There's only two places in Gantzis, the Sichas.

1:48:16 Speaker 6 But it's about Tziniyis for men. It's about the summer. It's about the summer.

1:48:20 Speaker 1 It's symbolic. Yeah, but it's not only for men.

1:48:22 Speaker 6 Yeah.

1:48:22 Speaker 1 It's for everybody.

1:48:23 Speaker 6 I think, I think I had to gosh it is that men are included in Tziniyis also.

1:48:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. That's also-

1:48:29 Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm saying, but it's very-

1:48:30 Speaker 1 Maatevu Elech, the Rebbe talks about the Maatevu.

1:48:32 Speaker 6 Yeah.

1:48:32 Speaker 1 Maatevu Bolak.

1:48:33 Speaker 6 And it's-

1:48:34 Speaker 1 Abila, Bilam said Maatevu.

1:48:35 Speaker 6 It's a Ha'aretz in the Chodesichas. I think it's, uh, if it's by men, you know what I'm saying?

1:48:41 Speaker 1 Go ahead.

1:48:42 Speaker 6 It's called Shekal HaFeim.

1:48:43 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

1:48:44 Speaker 6 So, so, but it's interesting that, uh, now I just found it. I was just thinking about it recently, how like the Rebbe wrote about it, and then he wrote specifically about men.

1:48:55 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:48:55 Speaker 6 Um, I had some Beis Va'ad about it, but whatever. I don't know if there is Galpan, so. I'll keep it for myself.

1:49:06 Speaker 1 Okay. But I, I-

1:49:08 Speaker 6 No, no, I was, I was thinking maybe it's like the Pnei that, you know, that it's, there's a Sicha once that the Rebbe spoke about. The Rebbe said that in this generation, the Tziniyis is more than in previous generations. So the Sicha is staying in the front, the Sicha in the front, um, the weekday. The Rebbe says, I'm not gonna be Meirech in it, well, Meiretsu Mansbo. We're talking to men, so I'm not gonna be Meirech in it.

1:49:34 Speaker 1 Exactly.

1:49:35 Speaker 6 Because the Etzimi Meirech and the details of Tziniyis-

1:49:37 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah

1:49:37 Speaker 6 ... is not Tziniyis.

1:49:38 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:49:39 Speaker 6 Now, I was thinking maybe that's why in that Ha'aretz-

1:49:42 Speaker 1 Haba Morge

1:49:42 Speaker 6 ... speaks, speaks about men. You know, like I said, Kalshkin, the women also.

1:49:50 Speaker 1 I was speaking once in Kranait about Tziniyis. It was a whole, they made a whole workshops, whatever. So I told them that the Rebbe, as far as I know, is the man who has made the biggest Koch in Zahiris in Shmiras Einayim. And people wanted to jump at me and the Langmanach, Liskel Oisa Be'Esreigim Shebe Yadayim. So they said, the Rebbe's a frumer Yid, Medagdi Kalek HaBachmuda, the Rebbe was very, very frum, everybody knows that. But everybody has a Bameha V'Zoych Fei. The Rebbe's in Yiddish, HaKoch, Mashiach, Shlichas, Kidduv, Teshuvah. Where do you take this? The Rebbe's in Yiddish, Shmiras Einayim more than other Rabbeim. So I asked them, where do you see any Rav that you know, any Rebbe that you know, any Dayan that you know that made such a Miftza, a Koch, not a Miftza, but a Koch, that a pajama of a two-year-old, of a, of a two-week-old shouldn't have a teddy bear on it?

1:50:51 Speaker 6 Mm-hmm.

1:50:53 Speaker 1 Tamog Zena Zachach? Now, Zena, like you said, an Eidelnoyfn. Nishtarus Rednem Inyan. They're getting Koch ta Koch. I'm sure they get Koch. I remember-

1:51:04 Speaker 6 Everything that you see has Ashpah.

1:51:06 Speaker 1 Yeah, has Ashpah. And a baby shouldn't see a poshet, a teddy bear, a teddy bear. It's a picture. Of what? Which has no Eiderness of any, of any Tyvus, but it's a Dover Tommy. So it's saying any Mashai that was the Rebbe-

1:51:20 Speaker 6 And you're, you're right because the, the, the, the Frumer Elam, this Inyan didn't get yet to the Frumer Elam. They don't know about it yet.

1:51:27 Speaker 1 No.

1:51:27 Speaker 6 And it's like-

1:51:28 Speaker 1 Nobody, nobody

1:51:28 Speaker 6 ... they, they, they never, they're it's not a thing. It's like-

1:51:30 Speaker 1 Nobody

1:51:31 Speaker 6 ... what do you mean?

1:51:31 Speaker 1 Nobody.

1:51:31 Speaker 6 What do you mean?

1:51:31 Speaker 1 Nobody, nobody ever-

1:51:32 Speaker 6 It's like, it's like Ikan Yades. Yeah, you can't, you can't have, uh, Chayis Tomatoes, I'm saying, for, for kids. It's like, wait, what do you mean? What do you mean?

1:51:40 Speaker 1 By us-

1:51:41 Speaker 6 In o- in o- in other Kreizim, it's still, they still don't know about this yet. They, they, they-

1:51:45 Speaker 1 No, nobody heard of such a thing. Nobody heard of such a thing. It was a touch of a Miltah. And even by us, it was, you know, when it, when it came out, I remember the Rabbonim went crazy. Phone calls came in. My Shriger bought me a pajamas. I'm not sure, is it a wolf or is it, it looks like a tzigele.

1:51:59 Speaker 6 Yeah.

1:52:00 Speaker 1 Which one is it? You know, can, uh, a nice zach.

1:52:03 Speaker 6 Handel Lieberman always had a cat in his pictures

1:52:06 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is to the extreme that you could think of. But the Rebbe So you'd ask a bocher and you ask him to put away a smartphone what the Rebbe would have done for them. Yeah. Yeah.

1:52:22 Speaker 6 I was, uh, tod-today I had a for my son today.

1:52:26 Speaker 1 Oh.

1:52:29 Speaker 6 So I, I was reading the, the Melamed sent, like, a little Likut.

1:52:33 Speaker 1 Ah.

1:52:33 Speaker 6 I'm not sure who was . Maybe-- I'm not sure who exactly who it came from. But I was reading over there a Pashet, the whole idea that we go with the tallis.

1:52:42 Speaker 1 Exactly.

1:52:43 Speaker 6 We take the kid of the tallis. It said, . So you have to make sure that he doesn't see it. And like it says over there and then-

1:52:52 Speaker 1 Exactly.

1:52:53 Speaker 6 And Yehudi, whatever. Yeah. So-

1:52:57 Speaker 1 But the Rebbe did it in his way on Giluim and on Shrayen and on a teddy bear. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, that, um, two weeks ago we learned Pashet Kedach. Kedach, did very similar. If you look, go to Chazal, the nis that happened, that happened to Pinchas. It states Israel. It states Aaron, Elazar, Pinchas. Israel. Yeah. And nobody does anything. And now we know Chazal tell us today in this but Pinchas didn't know there was a . Man, it's the biggest that you could think of. Kedach, he came only. He came Pinchas. He came Israel . So it, it, it's super. Yeah. And with the Rebbe's because he came as a for the-- for his Shevet, Shevet Shimon is given from the Baal Peor, which means that they were with Ish Medyanis. So he wanted to show that it's the right thing. And to show that Moshe Rabbeinu did it too. And Pinchas . And Pinchas had of, uh, Pinchas. And Pinchas had on a soul. And Kedach is . Pinchas had Moshe Rabbeinu. Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest of Klal Israel, and he bleibt Rebbe of Klal Israel. Moshe Rabbeinu . He graced to God Moshe Rabbeinu. And everything anybody Moshe. And Pinchas had the Rebbe will . So Pinchas Moshe Rabbeinu . I was gonna-

1:56:22 Speaker 6 I was gonna ask you before- I was gonna ask you before, you were talking about the , the gedol, uh, you know, of the, the . So it's very clear, obviously, that's clear. That's, that's, that's how we do it. The, the, the-- Well, I'm wondering as , like, what's the difference in your or your attitude or your-- In the person themselves, how does this, this and ?

1:57:05 Speaker 1 So that's what I, so that's what I was saying before, that the and our mitzvah is those was with it that we do it for others and even for a Fray person just brings out what a mitzvah is. But then when I do the mitzvah, I should think what, what says ? My should be completely different. that the Rebbe has an, an, even an, an, even an which knows nothing, which is misnagid to you, and you say, "No, no, no. I believe you. I believe one hundred percent that you are ." So what do you think I-- You know, I remember I heard once from Manus Friedman. He said . He said, "When we go out to Fray people to be Mekarev them," so the Fray person says, "Leave me alone. I'm not Jewish, uh, you know. I, I, I don't keep it. I don't believe in it." And you ask, "Wait, wait a sec. Was your mother Jewish? Was your Bobby Jew-- Oh, of course. So you as a Jew, as, as ." You know? Say, , he screams, "What?" And we insist you're as holy as Avraham Avinu And as comes to other Hasidim, he says, what do we say?

1:58:20 Speaker 6 Who are you?

1:58:20 Speaker 1 Oh, who are you? What do you think? You're gonna be Mekarev a Yid.

1:58:24 Speaker 6 Famous, famous lines. Who are you?

1:58:25 Speaker 1 Yeah. Who are you? So

1:58:32 Speaker 6 Right. And they write the name that, uh, how you learn, uh, Gemara with, uh, with, um... What does it say? He, he, he-

1:58:48 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

1:58:48 Speaker 6 He has the, the that, uh, that, that the Baal Shem Tov would do.

2:00:03 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:00:03 Speaker 6 Yeah.

2:00:04 Speaker 1 Yeah. So That's why we spoke before, the the father with his little son. Yeah. So there's because now it's . So it is two separate. So the that has to bring out by us.

2:01:08 Speaker 6 The .

2:01:10 Speaker 1 The .

2:01:10 Speaker 6 In the Sefer, it's the Sefer, it's the Sefer Cheit Tavus. Cheit Tavus Mem Zain.

2:01:15 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

2:01:16 Speaker 6 The Sefer that Rebbe spoke after Mincha, one of the things that the Rebbe says, the Rebbe again, 'cause, you know, the Rebbe compared it to Yutza Skeslev and-

2:01:23 Speaker 1 Yeah

2:01:23 Speaker 6 ... and Hanukkah, the Hanukkah but the Rebbe also does it there. The Rebbe says there's a Chiddush in this generation, that it's e- all the way to teaching someone even Aleph Bet. It does... That's also part of which is... So, but it's not because now it's on a lower level. Because it's on a higher level. Because, because it's a much higher level in it could go-

2:01:48 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:01:49 Speaker 6 even to Aleph Bet.

2:01:50 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:01:50 Speaker 6 Now that's the explanation for it.

2:01:54 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:01:55 Speaker 6 So you're saying the and then, then, uh, it's gonna be, uh, because we're so connected to, to such a elders as our Rebbe and as our Deena, as our Zeit, so therefore it could come down and make a difference-

2:02:14 Speaker 1 It doesn't- It doesn't start from that. It starts from the . I remember a once, uh, in a Satmar Rebbe but we learned a lot of Chassidus already. So I, I, I got, I got the cook based, based on Tanya, what's the Bes Rebbe, what's the Bes-- I wasn't Lubavitch at all. And I, I heard a Yid, it was a very Poshtig Yid. That's not the, that's not the Nachlas Hakol there, but that was a Poshtig Yid there. And I was sitting and he described Satmar of the Rebbe. There was a . That was his cook, which is actually true. He was a but I remember I was sitting there and I was, uh, thinking I was a Bachag and I was thinking, "Is that what a Rebbe is?" So but the, the, the head of the is also a Is that how you look at your Rebbe? Is So I remember I was looking at him as if I grabbed the cook of a Rebbe. And then, um, moved the clock ahead and I became Lubavitch. And I remember I heard once Reb Yael talking about the Rebbe, and he said that the Rebbe never missed to say a dank for a butle, for opening the door in the car, and he wouldn't allow anybody to carry his things. He would... He, he spoke about such a simple, simple Zach that the Rebbe would recognize a little kid and And I, I loved it. And then I started to myself, I was like, "Hande

2:03:59 Speaker 1 Lot, are you a hypocrite?" I was given that, and if I got as a Zach of Satmarov, you made it a criminals, you know. And, and I wasn't saying this thing of Chazzal Shalom to minimize. Forget it. And, um, and though it led to the Rebbe and you're still no. But I knew Reb Yael, and I sat with Reb Yael for years, and I knew how he looks at the Rebbe. how he looks at the Rebbe. I start thinking and thinking, and then I thought of a mashal. Imagine somebody will tell you that the MaraL knew Kol Hator nikula. Kol Hator nikula kipshuto. You could take a passuk, Bereishit Bara Elokim, and on that passuk, he could tell you the Gemara, Sifra, Sifre, Mechilta, Zohar, uh, Kisva, whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. The MaraL is the same time or there is... Whatever. Okay. Yeah. Then you'll tell him, not only that, this Rebbe MaraL could sit down with a three-year-oldkid and start learning Bereishis Bara Elokim, Poshet, Pshad, the Rebus Terra, Basaf, Navel, Bereishis Bara Elokim. It's chushunadik. That he can be a masala, call these oidis, all this, or masala, or that I bring him a tamtam, sign in Poshet and Pasuk, and I listen and teach a little child Bereishis Bara Elokim. Can you imagine if somebody will come to the conclusion, if that's the case, I'm like the Marel. Ich kann nicht lernen Bereishis Bara Elokim, a Poshet, Pshad. Yeah. But that's all I know. Nothing more. To Hednas, a Rebbe

2:05:53 Speaker 1 is Bugavim Erimen. A Rebbe is an Ashamed Athelus. A Rebbe is Rosh Bene Israel. Each and every one is a Nitzetz of the Rebbe. It is Gantklad Israel Estolenems, Pashtuset de Moshe b'chol dore ved Hednas a Rebbe is. In Afha Piken, it's not Dafkas Ich Flynn or in Himmel. Afha Piken is Mennege Yeder Prat, Yeder Yingela, Yeder Kleina Medela. Mennege. But Dos is an andere vart. The Mata Mata, where they connect with Lameila Lameila, Denkeit, is an andere sach. Lameila, in our tzuch, Nefzoyim Dafha Rus bringen. Dos the Rebbe gekuchte, what's meant ein Mitzvah, what's meant ein Yid. You know what's meant Yid? Mein Mitzvah. An unbelievable way. There's a Meise of, it's a Baget from Mrs. Vechter. Again, I don't want to get deep into the stories, but I'll just on a kuda. She was a assistant principal in a preschool in Sapar. She was a very talented principal and it was a Ibergigem to the students. And when the stories started to come out, there was a lot of Pashkevilin against us, against Telemendel. But one day, she woke up in the morning, she walked out of the streets and the full of streets were full of Pashkevilin against her. Eishes Chaver ke Chaver, same thing, Faket, v'chulu, ze sharfinyana. So what do you do when you see this? That means they're starting to come at you. It's not pretty. So she picked up a phone and she called 770. And she got an answer back a few minutes later from Rabachade Kav,

2:07:35 Speaker 1 which you know what that means. That since she's a principal, she said she's going to resign because she doesn't want to. So the Rebbe told her that since she's a principal and she knows every kid, assistant principal, she knows every kid who all the tudas, who comes from a divorced home and who's a Yusayma and who's tam a bullied child and stam. It's Mekenes Shibalos and Kinder Beliroya. Kitzoim Beliroya. So you have an Achrayas before you leave, Ibergem for the Ibergem and Ahelas, every kid there needs. Can you imagine? This was in the thickness of all the fights. But Rebbe was strong against the whole Meise. So don't you just think Kinderlach. What parents fight. Here's the Meise. Here's the Meise. What is the Meise? The Rebbe wants to know that a Satma kid in Williamsburg should be taken care of. Yeah. Should be taken care of. So that's Meila Meila, all anyonim, all Yidden. That's a Zach mitsepsa. Chutz. It's no Chutz. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeshe Kecha de Gans. This was- So I guess Kutzeberich is Geblemen Dreis, no? You could-- I have time. Let's go to Kutzeberich. I'll just make it very bikitzer. How many times did you hear from the Rebbe, Ani Lo Nevreisi Elo the Shamashas Kaine? There is no- This is one of the foundations. This is the Rebbe's foundation. And Nishna Stam. He had to say it with both his choice. Laynevid. Ani Lo Nevreisi Elo the Shamashas Kaine. And Videtreite Girsris. As Ani Lo Nevreisi Elo the Shamashas

2:09:22 Speaker 1 Kaine. That's the Rebbe's Koch Geveen in all anyonim. As all anyonim is verbunden mit rein sach, mit Kutzeberich. So Bemele, the all anyonim is Vengret Frietz Israel and Eireise is als Geveen, weil dorten, weil wie kommt darauf Kutzeberich, Dolomat and Hodorach Israel and Dorche Eireise. Aber das druckt als reis Kutzeberich. You know, Melech, I'm sure you heard it from Melech himself in Maristan. He used to Koch in this Meise. That a Byol, he didn't say the name, but I asked his kids, they told me it happened with the Rebbe. I thought always it happened with himself, but the kids told me it's not true. That a Griser Litvish Godol came once to the Rebbe. And he told them that, that Chassidim, a zeer reich Yidden, a zeer eloch Yidden, they do Mitzvahs behidder. Labavich, Koch, Shtarkin, Kiruv and Tchuvas, a moire dik ezach. But you have to agree one thing, as Teyre, Teyre belong bei uns. Teyre is whatever, it's bei uns. A Byol was a person with a lot of patience. He didn't fight back. He didn't punch back ever. So he sat down with him and he learned with him Peirei Geitanya, which is no safer who talks about Teyre like Yichad Neflech, ain Yichad Neflech k'moyu. Nimtze Klal. Nimtze Klal, as it is. Ta'ita Pamet Chacham, Resh Hashiva. He learned it once, twice, as a moire dik nemem. Tracht and Tracht. Then he says to the Rebbe, "Yeah, yeah, richtik. Aber weiter drehst du dich. Ich habe gered wegen Teyre." To the

2:11:05 Speaker 1 Rebbe, it was that the whole Emunah and the whole Ma'aseh is because there, there lies the Rebbe. That's the whole thing. That's the whole point of the whole thing. So, "Ani le'ivresi elo, elo leshamosh askenei," is to the Rebbe, was the purpose, the talent of-

2:11:23 Speaker 7 It reminds me of a story that the Rebbe said.

2:11:26 Speaker 1 What was?

2:11:28 Speaker 7 The Rebbe said a story that there came a Jew in Meila, and he asked him, the Roshem: "What's your opinion?" He said: "My opinion is Teyre." So they said: "Nu, so say a Pilpul." He said: "Nein, nein, my opinion is Abschlagn. So koch a brich will come and say Teyre, nichl Abschlagn."

2:11:44 Speaker 1 Nichl Abschlagn.

2:11:45 Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.

2:11:47 Speaker 1 So there, Ma'aseh was from the third Ma'aseh, that there was a bachur who went to Mivtzoim. And, um, they went up next to Bara Park, and they saw a bachur coming down from Yeshiva crying. So they asked him why he's crying. He didn't want to answer. Slowly, you know, kids have a shayches to each other, they open up. And he told them that he has a fashtapte kop, they learn against. And of Tzelachos, he has a bachur sitting next to him in next bench, and he learns seven blat a week. And to him, it takes one amed seven weeks. And he decided it's not for him anymore. Becoming, becoming a 18-wheeler driver. That's a, a trailer driver. That's it. And, uh, tzich sh'gezegn mit zayn yeshiva. You know, haganz tzadik is not gonna go into the Ma'ases that he said, you know. Ki hav'u nesech maavdil, whatever. Nishnegeh. But kids, I talked to them: "Now it's the last time I'm seeing the yeshiva. I'm walking out of all my chaveirim and my yeshivas, and I'm becoming an 18-wheeler driver, and I'm crying." So what did the Babash Rabachrim do? They started to take his head off. "No, you have to write a letter to the Rebbe." So they convinced him. He wrote a letter to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe answered him that the Ribono Shel Olam has nachas ruach lamaila, and as the Alter Rebbe says in Tanya, matamim, shnei matamim. One, says the, says the Rebbe, the Rebbe says to him: "There's a

2:13:18 Speaker 1 nachas ruach of this bachur who sits next to you that learns seven blat a week, Moideh Dyka, HaRav Vanya, wow." And then there's another nachas ruach which comes from HaRav Vanya. From the tzveit HaRav Vanya, from a bachur who's ken schwacher, un harav, un harav, un lernt ein amed a zib voch. And that's the nachas ruach from Ribono Shel Olam. Are you ready to take away the Ribono Shel Olam's nachas ruach and to go become a driver? "Yesov kosav ani le'ivresi elo," that's how the letter starts. "Ani le'ivresi elo leshamosh askenei." That's my whole opinion. And the Rebbe shouts from them the nachas that he made you in such a way to give him this nachas, and you're ready to take it away. So the story goes that he became a big Rav and a dayan later on, the plot of Veis Achnish. To me, that's already an extra moefus. As we said before, by the Rebbe, the moefus was more doisiest, doisis. Yeah. That nekuda that the Rebbe Taliz gave him in that bachur. V'neshalom, that's your shlichus. Can you imagine, can you imagine like this? A, a person was hired to be the CEO of JFK, uh, Airport. Can you describe what that takes? I can't. It means every plane should be on time, every company, every pilot, every steward. The, the, the food should be there, kosher food, other types of special diets, and it should be everything in time. The gasoline and buyers to buy the cheapest gasoline. It's, it's a

2:14:56 Speaker 1 melucha of its own. And for that, he gets paid five million dollars a year. Can you imagine after the third day he comes in and five pilots called in they're sick, and other people, a truck broke down, and there's no gasoline for this plane, and he goes crazy. He's like: "I can't. I, I should-- I, I need vacation. I'm going crazy." Say: "Excuse me, sir. If things would be smooth, they would never hire you. They needed you for this. That's why they're paying you five million dollars." That's your shlichus. A person sits in the Olam Hazeh, and he makes as if he's a mensch. Punkt geht mir nisht gut. Why punkt mich? Why I? There's no punkt. Every Yid and every person is ani le'ivresi elo leshamosh askenei. Each one is a shliach. This is your shlichus. So if punkt heint, the fundraising went very difficulty, so my-- today, this is my shlichus. Not yesterday's shlichus, this is today. This is my shlichus. The ani le'ivresi, the way the Rebbe, the Rebbe baked them cook. That's shlichus. That's what shlichus is. Rebbe says if you think of it, what is shlichus? We read it two ye- two weeks ago in the Pascha. Ani chelkecha venachlascha. In ve'artzam lo sinchal. V'cheilik lo yihiye lahem nachla. The Shevet Levi has no kesher with the Olam Hazeh. Why? Because your thing is ani le'ivresi elo leshamosh askenei. They're gonna have to give you parnassah. They're gonna have to give you maaser, trumah maaser. The Rebbe registered a Shevet,

2:16:35 Speaker 1 a Shevet Levi, and that's why the Rebbe called it the Rambam. V'lo Shevet Levi b'vat, el kol ish, kol adam. The Rebbe called them all, 'cause that's what they-

2:16:43 Speaker 7 Kol ish asher nad v'ruche.

2:16:45 Speaker 1 Lo nad v'ruche, yeah. So that's what the Rebbe registered, that's what. A ganze, a ganze umut, v'lashon. A ganze kvutze fun Yidden, Chassidim, avegefarin fun elten, lebn vait av-- ken a mitber sh'mama, un gornish far vodnar. Ani le'ivresi elo leshamosh askenei, that's the main shlichus. So that's really, that's really the, the, the, the oxygen for all the other things that we spoke. That Emunah, that nekuda, that takes hold of all the other neyonim. So that Rebbe, Ribono Shel Olam, v'acht zos Hashem, that's the nekuda. The ani le'ivresi elo leshamosh askenei is the nekuda. So we have to say more, we get into the nekuda, about Yichus, the Koch, the Rebbe, the Koch of Mashiach, because it's the tachlis of Oisfin, Adir b'tach toinim, HaRav Ringen, HaRav Ringen, the Lakos. But that's the Koch of the ani lo, lo, lo, lo inivresi.

2:17:43 Speaker 7 Yeshakeach, and, um, this is an avidik, uh, podcast we had today. So, uh-

2:17:53 Speaker 1 Yi le'ratza nimrei fi, ich hoff ich kh'and shkal ye gemakht, kh'and sh-

2:17:57 Speaker 7 Nein, avaker, it was, uh, it was a very elevated conversation. So yeshakeach, and a few things you said, the Pashet, for, for me personally, are also very important for me to hear right now. I'll tell you offline more. But, um, but, uh, and it's for me, I'm sure for all the listeners as well. So yeshakeach, and yanakh yamim mamlachtei.

2:18:22 Speaker 1 Amen.

2:18:22 Speaker 7 Mamshakh zein in the mekhanekh the, the tmimim, and all of the other things that you do for efat hashamayones, efat hasayades, and yeshakeach.

2:18:33 Speaker 1 Amen. Hatzlacha Rab in dein arbeit and allen yona. And zol zain akh, zol zain akh Chassidisher Derekh, un zol az Derekh.

2:18:40 Speaker 7 Yeah, you said the word Derekh many times, so, uh-

2:18:43 Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

2:18:44 Speaker 7 But that, that was Derekh. Zei gezunt.

2:18:48 Speaker 1 Zeim ot li, zei gezunt, kol tov.