0171 - The Shpoller Zaideh and R' Leib Sara's

00:00 One of the interesting things the Rebbe spoke about was on Achron Shel Pesach Tov Shen Lammed, and then afterwards, Shabbos Parshas Achrei, Shabbos Mechorchim Ir Tov Shen Lammed. And that was Benegei HaDeSh Poler Zeider. On Achron Shel Pesach, the Rebbe said that there is a meaning to sing DeSh Poler Zeider's nigun on Achron Shel Pesach, the nigun of Hop Kazak. And the Rebbe went on to explain what's the connection between DeSh Poler Zeider and Pesach. And he said DeSh Poler Zeider was known for his exceptional Aves Isro. We know that he said that when he was a child, the Baal Shem Tov put his hand on his heart. Since then, my heart became a warm heart. That means he had a lot of Aves Isro. And we know that Pesach has a Sheyachas Aves Isro. The Avesh took us out because the Avesh loved the Yidden. Also, we know that DeSh Poler Zeider was involved in Piddim Shvuyim, in redeeming captives. That's connected to Pesach because Pesach, the Avesh redeemed us from our captivity in Mitzrayim. Also, it's known DeSh Poler Zeider did many great miracles, miracles, nisim beyond nature completely. That's connected to Pesach because Pesach is as MaNisim. And that's why on Pesach we sing a nigun of DeSh Poler Zeider. When the Rebbe was talking about the nisim that is connected to DeSh Poler Zeider, he said another thing. We're seeing a type of nes that has to do with DeSh Poler Zeider. There are people who don't believe in anything that's

01:22 beyond nature. They don't believe about people being able to see the future and things like that. Tzadikim, they don't believe in that. So concerning DeSh Poler Zeider, we find something clearly like that. There is a Sefer called Roz HaMalach, which actually the name of the Sefer is Reish, Zion, Yud, Aleph, Lamed HaMalach. But the Rebbe said he doesn't say the full name because we should say the name of HaMalach if it's not a common name. Therefore, he didn't say that full name. And in that Sefer, we have a tefillah of a person called Leib Ben Sora asking Hashem that Hashem should give him psichas hamechin in Torah, open his mind in Torah. And there is no famous person in history besides the Leib Soras, which is DeSh Poler Zeider. And Bamele, here we see something that's written there before DeSh Poler Zeider was born because the Sefer was printed before DeSh Poler Zeider was born. And certainly it was in Ksav Yad before DeSh Poler Zeider was born hundreds of years. And it's written about something, about somebody that was born many years later, about the Leib Soras, which was DeSh Poler Zeider. So here we see a clear proof that there is such a thing that people or there are things written about the future, not like those people who don't believe in such things. After Yontef, Shaila was written to the Rebbe, the Leib Soras seems to be a different person than DeSh Poler Zeider. The Leib Soras is one person. And there

02:46 are stories, a story how the Leib Soras was born, the whole ariches, what happened there. Then there's another story about DeSh Poler Zeider connected to the Baal Shem Tov, how DeSh Poler Zeider was born with the brocha of the Baal Shem Tov. They're two different people. Besides that, their mother's name is different. The Leib Soras' mother is obviously Sora. And DeSh Poler Zeider's mother has a different name. How could we say they're the same person? So Shabbos after that, Shabbos in Vorachim, the Rebbe spoke about it. And the Rebbe said that concerning what I said, Achron Shepesach, people asked how could I say that from what it says in Roz HaMalach, Leib Ben Sora is DeSh Poler Zeider. So the Rebbe said like this, "Mistaber," he says, "it makes sense that they're the same person because first of all, we know very little about the life of both of them. The little bit that we do know is that they did a lot of ma'asim. We know they were part of the tzadikim nesdorim from the Talmidei HaMagid. We know they had the sheyachas of the Baal Shem Tov. And we know that the nisim that they did both is all concerning melochim, concerning kings. Leib Ben Sora and B'yad Hashem, but that's concerning kings. So it's all the same. So it seems like ba'em is that's really one person. I, they asked the shaila that there it says that the name of his mother is Sora. And we know that the name of the

04:01 mother of DeSh Poler Zeider is something else, a different name. So the Rebbe said that's no raya because we find sometimes or because she had two names. And sometimes they use this name, sometimes they use this name. And bechalal, it's no raya from the fact that sometimes the name says different doesn't prove. And he says that even Benegei DeLev Yitzchak BaDichaver, who is definitely famous and people know the name of his mother, nevertheless, sometimes we find a different name. And the Rebbe said that the Kabnoki writes that he saw a kamea that comes from the BaDichaver. And then the BaDichaver's mother's name is different than the one that's known. So we see that from there it's no raya. And therefore the Rebbe said, "Until we find out for sure that they were two separate people, I assume that they were the same people, same, one, the same person." And then the Rebbe said, "Unless an ish nema, the trustworthy person, will come and say that he himself saw two kvorim, two graves, and two matzeivas in two different places for sure, they're two different people, then we'll know they're two different people. But till then, we could assume they're the same person." Everyone was shocked after the Rebbe said this because everyone knew that there are two stories and two things of the Leib Soras and DeSh Poler Zeider. I remember that the Mesharim Geisinski, who is a direct einikuf of DeSh Poler Zeider, is known to be an expert in the life of DeSh

05:20 Poler Zeider. He was ois mensch. After he heard this, he couldn't digest it. I mean, how could you say they're the same person when he knows the tradition of family that it's not like that? But the Rebbe said, the Rebbe said. Now they say that there are people who did see two kvorim and two matzeivas. So according to that, it seems that taki ba'em is they're two different people. But it's no steira ba'em as to what the Rebbe said because for sure, beruchnius, they are the same inyan. And we find that in swarim before, especially in Kabbalah, benegei etanoim, v'amaroyim, that sometimes we say that two people are really the same person. Some people say they're not the same person. They argue. And the reason is because in Kabbalah, they see that this is the same inyan. So to them, it's the same person. Now sometimes that even though they're the same inyan and they have the same madregas or whatever we have in Kabbalah, b'gashmi is it turns out that they're two different people. Sometimes when there are two names that we find and really they're the same person. So in this case, for sure, that iruchni sonionim, DeSh Poler Zeider and Leib Soras are the same inyan. Now, as long as we don't know b'gashmi is that they're two different people, so the Rebbe said they're the same person because they're the same inyan. If we find out, so then no, no b'gashmi is that they were two people, but both are the

06:31 same inyan and both have the same ruchni's deke madrege, whatever that shall mean. We have no hasoge in these inionim, but for sure that their madrege and their inyan is the same.