Ep. 39: The Process of Documenting the Rebbe's Words with Rabbi Hirshel Notik

00:00 Speaker 1 The last telegram of the Rebbe, I don't know why Rabbi Gona called me. It was the middle of the day. I should come and prepare. I didn't want to ask him why the guy's not doing it, whatever it is. I came back. I was working that time in Williamsburg. I came back, and I prepared based on what the Rebbe had spoken that time. A normal typed up without the Rebbe having the post it. We know already from, from, from, from different, uh, ческими. Punkt, that telegram, the Rebbe was

00:30 Speaker 2 Shalom Aleichem, Rabbi Herschel, how are you?

00:56 Speaker 1 Baruch Hashem.

00:57 Speaker 2 Thank you very much for being here.

00:59 Speaker 1 You're welcome.

01:01 Speaker 2 So there's a lot that I wanna discuss with you, with the Hanakos, with my Morim, Bechiram Klalim. There's a lot of involvement that you had, I guess a little bit behind the scenes. I don't know how many people know about it, so therefore, uh, I'm glad that you're here. My first question for you is, where were you coming from? When did you get to the Rebbe? How did that happen?

01:25 Speaker 1 Yes. Uh, I was born in, uh, Paris. I lived in Aubervilliers. At the age of five, I moved to a little shtetl called Yer, uh, walking twenty-five minutes from Yeshivat Brunois. In, um, the end of Tosh Lamad Alif, nineteen seventy-one, I went to the Rebbe. It was officially was I was going for Cheder Tishri, Tov Shlamat Base. I came here Chovov Elul. Uh, it was Shnas Hashivim. I stayed here, uh, Lamed Beis, Lamed Gimel. I was in Morristown. About Kislev, Tov Shin Lamed Heh, I was already in Crown Heights, and that's when I, um, started getting involved a little bit in the Sichas. I, uh, in, I wa-- In the building of Seven Eighty-Four, Seven Eighty-Eight, the buildings next to Seven Seventy. Uh, upstairs there was, uh, an office, I think later was, uh, used by, uh, Yossi Kaisen, Alav HaShalom. And, uh, this was the office of the Sichas. And I would type up here and there the Chaveri Havard Lanos Satmimim. The old one would bring a Sicha that they finally got ready to type and to publicize it. They asked me to type it.

02:50 Speaker 2 So what, what was the Seder? So the Rebbe Farbrengen Shabbos, let's say. Send this Chazarah. But when is this all happening?

02:57 Speaker 1 No, this, uh, in those years, uh, Shabbos Farbrengens were about, uh, for instance, Lamed Heh, just Shabbos Vorchim, maybe one more Yitastam, Lamed Heh, uh, the day of the Brit of the Rebbe. Mostly, there weren't so many Farbrengens in the year. Officially, each year had someone who would write the Hanakos of that year. Uh, when I finally came to the Rebbe, I was in Morristown. I was so happy waiting to, um, to come into New York. Once in four weeks, we came in for Shabbos Vorchim. I was sure I'm coming in here, I'll get the Hanoka , uh, I'll be able to learn the Farbrengen. And when I would come in here all day, nothing came out yet. Uh, the same thing, I guess, was Lamed Gimel, and those were the guys writing the Shabbos Farbrengen. The week of Farbrengen, they had someone-

03:51 Speaker 2 You're saying they weren't producing it properly.

03:54 Speaker 1 Right.

03:54 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

03:54 Speaker 1 Right.

03:55 Speaker 2 There was this, in those years, there was a, a w-

03:57 Speaker 1 Yeah. It went-

03:58 Speaker 2 A w- a weakness in the Hanakos.

04:01 Speaker 1 Yes. Um, and, um, the, the week of Farbrengens, I guess someone would write it. Uh, in those years, there were no, uh, cassette recorders. It was, uh, just a big reel-to-reel. Uh, it wasn't easy to write it down, and after you were done, you couldn't listen over 'cause it would ruin again the, the reel-to-reel tape. Uh, and then someone else, not from the ones who wrote the Shabbos Farbrengens, would, um, uh, would look over the Sicha, um, fix it. It was called making trains, like turning around the words the Rebbe said here to there in order something that was spoken with a Nigan should be able to be readable a little bit when it's on text. And then they would type it out. Before, it used to be on stencil. Um, stencil is something that, uh, you type in it. You type strong enough, so it made holes in the stencil. And then that stencil, you were able to fix it. You had a kind of m- uh, little liquid that you could fix. It wasn't so easy. That you'd put on a machine and print it. The ink would go through the holes. Um-

05:22 Speaker 2 That's like the copying device.

05:23 Speaker 1 That's... Yeah. Wasn't-- What I mean to say, it wasn't offset.

05:27 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

05:28 Speaker 1 Uh, when I came, it was about, as I said, Kislev, uh, Tov Shin Lamed Heh. Uh, at that time, I still remember, uh, Eliyahu Friedman, Rabbal Tevilyah Hakan Friedman, which is a Shliach in Tzfat now. Uh, he was sitting together with, uh, Mendel Rivkin, which was for years a Shliach, the Ludarov in 誉 Sisral in Lud. And they were sitting, at that time this was Kislev, uh, trying to write the Hanoka of Shabbos Neyach from that year. Uh, I started Typing a little bit. Rabbi Gavril Shapiro would give me a sikha that it's ready, could you please type it? Of course-

06:07 Speaker 2 One second. So the, these people that are writing the hanakos would write, write it down by hand?

06:14 Speaker 1 The, some of them by hand, and some with a typewriter.

06:19 Speaker 2 But was-

06:19 Speaker 1 Those sikhas, of course, were all mostly by hand, or depends if the guy who typed from the tape was a Israeli guy that, uh, knew how to type, so maybe it was typed. But a lot of them were by hand. Um-

06:36 Speaker 2 So you started typing the, these hanakos?

06:38 Speaker 1 He would ask me, "Here's a fabrengen, it's ready. If you type it up, it will come out." If I wouldn't type it, uh, it would go to what you call geniza, and that sikha would never come out. Uh, and now by the end I'm sorry. Uh, that same year, Tav Shin Lamed He, um, I believe, uh, Rebbe Levin got married Tav Shin Lamed He.

07:09 Speaker 2 Sorry, you don't have to go into all the details, but basically till the Chaf's Rebbe would write regular hanakos, and then there was the Chaf's and the early Lameds, there's like this chalishus, right? It's not-

07:20 Speaker 1 No, that's, uh, that's not my, uh, my line. I wasn't there. Uh, if you wanna know more about the history of the previous years, uh, that you would have to ask someone else who has it written down. I came here end of Lamed He. I, uh, after all, Rebbe Yael wrote the hanakos for at least 10 years. I believe Chaf Gimel, when he started doing, um, Sefer HaRechim, he got more busy, also Lukut Sikhas, so he was doing less. The story goes that Rebbe Eliyahu, uh, the old man, Rabbi Simpson, uh, walked over to Rebbe Yael, like being upset why he was the official chozer. "Why are you not giving out writing to my morim?" So Rebbe Yael told him, uh, "How many years did you write for the Rebbe Rashab? He wrote hanakos, I think, Tov, Tov Reish Samech Vav. You only wrote one or two years. I already did 10 years." You know, it's, uh, people don't understand. Throughout the years of the Bochim, every year or so was a different group of Bochim that were making the hanakos. And even then not much came out. Of course, just in the beginning after the revolution of the Bochim, Tov Shin Chaf Vav, I guess Chaf Vav, Chaf Zayin, Chaf Ches came out. But then later, I guess the Gevohin Schwacher, um the Maimonim at that time already, uh, when Rebbe Levin I think got married Lamed He, so Rav Zvi Yechel Greenblatt, Zvi Greenblatt from Argentina, started writing the Maimonim. Uh, by, at

09:00 Speaker 1 that same year, Dovid Feldman used to write hanakos, uh, Teichean Kotz of every fabrengen. I think he only made, like, uh, six copies. He had six people. How big was the whole Lubavitch? Six people that took from him, um, a copy. One of them got a copy was, uh, was the Rebbe. I think Rabbi Groner used to call it, or maybe the Rebbe, the Kolir hanakos, 'cause practically sometimes it was on different color paper. Whatever you were able to get for cheap paper. Paper couldn't get just, uh, it was expensive. Sometimes maybe even, I don't know, in the same sikha was a, um, every page a different color of paper. At a, um, at a, so, so by the end of, uh, Tov Shin, by the beginning of Tov Shin Lamed He, uh, the Vaad Hanchos HaTamimim, uh, the original Vaad Hanchos HaTamim, uh, I think Rabbi Gavril Shapiro, um, asked Dovid Feldman in addition to write the Teichean, which wouldn't take that much time, it was a short Teichean in Hilchos Kodesh, he should also write the hanacha in Yiddish with all the details, a lengthy hanacha so they could use for Hanchos HaTamimim. There was nobody else at that time that was making the hanachos. Uh, uh, Rebbe Dovid Feldman agreed. They, um, they, of course he wasn't gonna do it himself, so they had three people, Rebbe Dovid Feldman and, uh, Rebbe Avrohom Boruch Pevzner, who was a schlecher in that shul later, and now is in Paris, and, uh, Rebbe Dovid

10:32 Speaker 1 Moshe Oledort. They, they, they broke up the, the fabrengen. I think Rebbe Oledort would write the Rashi sikha. And like this, they were doing all the Shabbats, of course. They got all the Shabbats fabrengens. Um, also in Yiddish, everything was written. Like a fabrengen would be 40, 50 written pages. Uh-

10:56 Speaker 2 Were they the chozim also?

10:58 Speaker 1 They were-- No, they knew the fabrengen. Those are all people that knew, but-

11:01 Speaker 2 So they-

11:01 Speaker 1 Most probably they said were the fabrengen and took nekudos, but they knew the fabrengen also, of course. Uh-

11:07 Speaker 2 Right.

11:08 Speaker 1 Uh, Dovid Feldman knew the whole fabrengen. Avrohom Boruch, Rebbe Avrohom Boruch knew the whole fabrengen. Rebbe Dovid Oledort has a very good head of course. But it was based, uh, on Chazarat. Uh, and, um, Chazarat not always was the same, the same level of Chazarat, but this, we're not talking about that. Like this, they started writing fabrengens of Tov Shin Lamed He. And, uh, Rebbe Elkhan of course came. He said they should work in cooperation 'cause he wanted to rewrite the fabrengen. His style of writing is much, uh, higher than anybody, uh, but it takes him longer. Uh, l'peel, that, uh, throughout the year Lamed He, most of fabrengens did not come out. They wrote a whole year, all the Shabbats fabrengens and Yom Tov. I believe most of them didn't come out. What you see now that is in Sikos Kodesh, a book Of Tov Shalam and Hay, a lot of them were after Tov Shalam and Vav when we started the new . We every time did a, a from the year before-

12:25 Speaker 2 Why did they write them and not put them out?

12:27 Speaker 1 Why didn't they come out? Uh, whatever. People, uh... For sure it wasn't the fault of the three people, the .

12:37 Speaker 2 There's other .

12:40 Speaker 1 Just Rav Yael wanted to work on them, but Rav Yael, it takes longer. But there is a which was supposed to take care of it. It's not so simple said. Uh, by the end of Tov Shalam and Hay, beginning of Lamed Vav, uh, and at that time also, since we had hoped maybe the will come out, so we prepared also some . I remember me and Rav Dovid Feldman being in which had a nice library. This is before the library in Tzuch. There was a second good library kind of that opened up. We had no Seforum, so we'd be in the library in He- in uh, to make a little . And now it seems after working, uh, a whole year, it took a lot of time from, from Dovid Feldman. By the beginning of Lamed Vav, he notified the that he's not going to continue to make any more . He doesn't wanna waste his time. He doesn't have time. He's sit and learn, . Uh, that's it. That means that if, if a, in a certain sense, um, is over. At that time also, the same period of time, the beginning of Lamed Vav, I think it was Shvat, the Rebbe announced he's sending, uh, . I think the first the Rebbe announced, and one of them that was picked was, uh, Pevzer. In other words, that meant that that's it, there is nobody anymore here that is going to write . Um, this was a Friday night, I think 1414, 1418. I

14:22 Speaker 1 don't remember which building exactly my apartment was. It was the Friday night of Shabbos Mishpatim, 1976. Um, and on the same floor in the apart- in the build- in the apartment, there was another room where my good friend, uh, Rav Yisechia Pozner, they called him Icky Pozner, I think he's, uh, in Chic- in Chicago, Illinois, is, uh, today, . Uh, Kalman Shaw was also someone, a good friend of mine, still from before, someone else there. And somehow when I came at night, whatever, uh, uh, a schmooze, I don't wanna say another word, we started talking, and they're all being very upset. "What's going on? Why is not coming out?" And when I gave them a report, uh, the truth, what's going on, they were shocked. They were very upset, and on the spot a decision was made that we're starting to give out the from this Shabbos. This was Friday night, late at night, from this Shabbos. The fact we don't have who is gonna write the . Dovid is not writing anymore in Yiddish. So we said we'll take Dovid Feldman's in Loshon Kodesh, and we'll take a few guys, and they'll write-

15:40 Speaker 2 So he was, he was still writing Loshon Kodesh even though he wasn't-

15:43 Speaker 1 No, of course, the is, is he continued. Yeah, sure. Yeah, whatever it's called. whatever. It was more than a but, uh... And, uh, that right Motzei Shabbos, we, um, we took... As soon as Dovid Feldman had one page or two pages ready, we sat down, I think Rav Sholom Charitonov, which was a himself, uh, my good friend Rav Yankev Moshe Walberg, uh, also I knew him from Orestown, had a very good head, and I, I think also Reuven Matsov even though he was very young. He's today in Paris, in . And, uh, they started writing down in Yiddish. They all knew the very well also, but here they have a already. It's much more than having the from Hazal. And he write it out in the language he write down . And I, um, had a typewriter there. It was the He- not only Hermes, it was called the Hermes Ambassador. The regular good Hermes typewriter was Hermes 3000. The old typewriters were Olivetti. Those are . Olivetti didn't have nice, uh, ACEs, but the Hermes was the one that we used to use, and I had Hermes Ambassador. Uh, at that time already, by Tov Shalam and Hay around, already was invented, uh, the new ribbon. It's a one-time ribbon, unlike the old ribbons that were cotton, that they keep finishing and going back, so the ACEs are not sharp. Those were, uh, a kind of a ribbon that every letter you type, it uses one time, and the ribbon continues. Once it's finished,

17:13 Speaker 1 you have to change the ribbon, and then you're able to print from it offset 'cause it's very sharp. The original is very sharp. And also I typed, uh, the . I used, uh, the office there happened to be beginning of Tov Shalam and Vav. I went upstairs in the building, uh, and I found a of- office, a big storage room. Uh, it belonged to Rabbi Kinsky, to Lubavitch. It was, had no door on it even, and it was all packed, uh, with storage, with stuff that belonged to Lubavitch. I made myself a little space and a desk without permission. And I sat down there to do some work. I even gave out on my own without asking anybody a of, uh, I think Vav. Then when we decided to start the new they all went up to my, quote-unquote, office. They wrote. It was a little space, and I typed it. If I'm not mistaken, by Tuesday we finished, and I went to give the to the person in charge of the printing of the which was, uh, Rav Yitzchok Tannenbaum from the matzah bakery, my good friend, and he sent it to print At that time, the printing was Manhattan, right, uh, right where you cross the full stop when you come to Manhattan was our offset place. And he came back. They were selling it in seven seventy upstairs. As, uh, if, if not maybe till now in the beam of Kiryat Sefer because he used to be the one for years selling

18:35 Speaker 1 the Sichas. There was a, a good locker he owned there underneath the beam is in a slant, the beam of Kiryat Sefer. He was selling. The Olam jumped on the Sicha. It was never in history that three, four days after a farbrengen, uh, there is... And I think the Sicha altogether cost twenty-five cents or whatever it was. Um, after he finished selling, there was some, um, exchange of words. Um, uh, it was no choice, and, uh, uh, he was notified that, uh, that there is no more the old Va'ad. There is a new Va'ad, Hanoras HaTimim.

19:15 Speaker 2 The one that you guys were doing?

19:17 Speaker 1 Yes.

19:17 Speaker 2 So the-

19:17 Speaker 1 The question was on also-

19:19 Speaker 2 I have a question. There was no... Is there any hisyasdus from the Rebbe about the Hanaras coming out, not coming out? Like, was Rebbe then involved in, in-

19:25 Speaker 1 I was-

19:27 Speaker 2 In that?

19:28 Speaker 1 Uh, just I'll say it now that in the time when we started new Hanoras HaTimim, uh, till then, the Rebbe-

19:36 Speaker 2 I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm asking before then.

19:37 Speaker 1 Yeah. So the Rebbe would complain a lot of times with the farbrengen. The expression was kind of, "Mod Garet, Umitnish Farshriv." The Rebbe said he, he spoke something, and it's not written down. The Rebbe was upset. I could say that, um, that from when our Sichas started, the Rebbe changed the tune. The tune used to be, "Mod Garet, Farshrivn, Ogdrokt" was, "I spoke. It was written, printed, bound in a book, put on the shelf, and nobody paid attention to whatever I said there. They should've asked a question." Usually, there, there was no question on the Rebbe, obviously, but that's what the Rebbe said. That, uh, he-- What he said is, uh, there's a question that, um... But at that time, so there, there we go. We, we told them that, um, there's gonna be a new Hanoras HaTimim, but who's gonna write the Sichas? Between Shabbos Mishpatim to next Shabbos farbrengen, uh, I was walking with, uh, Rav Dovid Feldman to his apartment. He was a bochur, of course, uh, I think on Crown Street. And, uh, suddenly, I knew he was very, very upset. There was no way to talk to him about coming back to write the Sichas. But at that point, suddenly, he told me, he says, "Hirshel, since already, um, this thing broke out, so I'm joining you." I ha-- I can't say over how my heart was jumping, dancing from joy that Baruch Hashem on Taka from Shabbos, Vaya'akov Avinu Cheilei Shadar Sheini, he came upstairs, and we started working.

21:17 Speaker 1 He would write the Hanoras mostly. Uh, Rav Dovid Dolidot was supposed to do the Rasha. For a short time, he did the Rasha Sichas. Uh, and I, together with, um, Yankov Shlim, uh, Yankimeisha Wohlberg. I mixed up Yankov Shlim and Goldberg. Uh, Yankimeisha Wohlberg, uh, would do the Ma'amarim Kehis, and later on, uh, it was mostly me. Uh, the same thing, uh, I did the Ma'amarim Kehis and, uh, the Sichas also under my Moreh. We're talking about the simple Ma'amarim Kehis. Uh, when you write a Maimar, obviously the Chassidus, which the Rebbe is basing the Maimar, the ri-- the person who writes the Maimar is supposed to know. But all other side things that are mentioned. Now, making the Ma'amarim Kehis-

22:08 Speaker 2 Yeah. How do you make Ma'amarim Kehis? Yeah. How does that work?

22:11 Speaker 1 Making the Ma'amarim Kehis, um-

22:14 Speaker 2 Today, we know how to make Ma'amarim Kehis.

22:16 Speaker 1 Yeah.

22:16 Speaker 2 You Google it. AI.

22:18 Speaker 1 Forget about... Hey, today we have Etz HaChochma. We have many books. In our time, there was, for Ma'amarim Kehis Psukim, there was a book, and it still exists, called Concordancia. Um, how do you say it in English?

22:35 Speaker 2 I know Concordancia. Co-Concordancia.

22:37 Speaker 1 Whatever. I, I think actually I don't believe even it was made by a Yid. I think it was made by, uh, by a non-Jew. But the whole book-

22:47 Speaker 2 I have one. I have one

22:47 Speaker 1 ... is based on, uh... It's interesting. I still keep that book. It's, uh, interesting books from the olden times. The mile of that book is that you could found every word based on the Sharesh. As we all know, the Rebbe usually did not repeat Psukim the way they are in the Chumash or Nach. The Rebbe even said once a explanation for it, maybe because of Baal Pe'or. He doesn't want to say-

23:13 Speaker 2 The sound, you don't answer to see Baal Pe'or. The Rebbe said it himself?

23:16 Speaker 1 I think the Rebbe said, uh, that's what I heard. I, I don't remember if it was in my time. So we're able to find just, uh, for a joke, besides one Pasuk that simply we had no clue. Uh, there was a, there was a Pasuk that says, "Le'nikar shua lifnei dal." But it's a Pasuk that today I'm sure you know that Pasuk. Uh, but, uh, we didn't know that Pasuk, and when you hear the tape or whatever it is, it sounded to me at least maybe, "Le'nikar shual lifnei dog." And therefore, uh, there was no way to find it. I remember a story. I always test the bochurim. I tell them, "What's the first half Pasuk, um, Vayomov me'eiv esrim shanah?" I ask them, "What's the first half Pasuk of that Pasuk?" I'm not gonna test you.

24:07 Speaker 2 Yeah.

24:07 Speaker 1 Anyhow, so-

24:08 Speaker 2 Thank you

24:08 Speaker 1 ... over there it says, "Veshagom huboso vayamov me'eiv esrim shanah." On the tape, there was someone once who wrote a, a shtikkel Sicha from the tape, and not being able to understand what the Rebbe says, he thought the Rebbe is saying, and he put a question mark, "Veshagom?" He put a question mark. That could happen, of course. The Hunup Sukim, the Rebbe once said about the Agadzhover that the way he would know where a Pasuk is, is by, because he would-- it's brought in Gemara Sanhedrin.

24:40 Speaker 2 Yeah.

24:41 Speaker 1 Anyhow, so this was Psukim. This was Baruch Hashem, we had a concordancia. When it comes to my Moreh Chazal, there was a three-volume book called Michlelam HaMoreh V'Pizgamim that already existed before my time. We also bought those three seforim. The only problem is that in this seforim, you, uh, you have to know the Lashon of the Chazal. It's alphabetically ordered, but you have to know the sentence. And since the Rebbe usually would not say over a Chazal, uh-

25:09 Speaker 2 The whole thing

25:09 Speaker 1 ... the whole thing or the sentence, so it's quite hard. Later on, we found out there was another book, Etzel Pisgomim Chazal, I think, in downstairs in the Cheder Shen in the library of, uh, s- s- Cheder Shen, the library of downstairs 770. But we did, we, at that time, uh, didn't know about it. So we had Michla Mom Pisgomim, but then we had anot- another book called Etzel, uh, Pisgomim Chazal, I think it was called. Um, it was called, um, Etzel Hagoda. That one was set up according, also three volumes, according to topics. So you would go through the whole topic, the, under, or this area or another area. Maybe you were able to find. It wasn't easy. Obviously, the encyclopedia you have for the past 30 years or so, or more, and they didn't exist. At least we didn't know. I do remember that, uh, what you call today, Etzel HaChokhmah was Shalshe Tшуves Bar Ilan, Bar Ilan University. But it was something people didn't have. Only, I think, Yeshiva University here had, uh, that program. I remember that, uh, Moshe Win of the Machabe of Hadar Sponem Zoken would go to them to get stuff, and for them, it was a lot of money. But you needed one word, they would print out 50 pages you had to pay, 'cause that word would mens- was mentioned, even though not necessarily you needed everything. Anyhow, so Marmekeis Chazal was, uh, much harder. Um, f- just rarely, when it was a very hard Chazal,

26:41 Speaker 1 I would go up to the library, uh, upstairs in the Kalu, in the back of 770. They had a very good library, which was donated by, uh, the Balkair Rabbi Mickey Slavin, Michol Slavin, Leo Nishmat's father that passed away, I think, Lamed Beis in an accident. And it was a lot of good Sforim, but, uh, we didn't really have access there, but only from time to time. There was also no time. The Sichas, everything was done under pressure of time to finish.

27:10 Speaker 2 Also, the Marmekeis weren't done, like, mamish everything.

27:13 Speaker 1 Nah, what- whatever we knew.

27:15 Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm saying-

27:16 Speaker 1 Obviously, things that the Rebbe didn't say with the shtate or the apostic, we didn't even try to-

27:21 Speaker 2 By the way, the Rebbe sometimes, uh, helped you, 'cause in the Sichas, the Rebbe will say, "Shtate in Sifri." Like, very often in the, in, in the, in the, when the Rebbe, in the Sichas, the Rebbe says where it is, right?

27:33 Speaker 1 Yeah, but i- if the Rebbe would say Sifri, first of all, you had to have a Sifri. You have to tell Zchanim, Sif- which Safra, Sifri. How do you find it there? It's not always under Posik.

27:48 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

27:48 Speaker 1 Um, uh, concerning the... Here I have, um, we talked, we talked before about the, the Chazal. So Moshe, here in the Sicha, it's Kislev Tov Shlomitzion, the Rebbe quoted the Chazal the way the Rebbe said it on the tape, " Base on whatever chassidus he had in the time when he made that mafteach. Uh, maybe the another few of the Sefer maftechis, maftech in Yonim. Of course, we would ask someone like Rebbe Yael wasn't so easy, uh, to vado for things like this. Shom Charetonov, maybe. Um, now concerning asking the Rebbe, uh, I'll finish Ron Kinst and go back to the technical. Uh, Maram Chemes, in general, of course, you didn't ask the Rebbe Maram Chemes. Not only Maram Chemes didn't ask the Rebbe. Most... If you had a question, if you were able to get away without asking the Rebbe, we of course, did not... The people that I don't know her did not ask. Of course not Maram Chemes. It doesn't come into consideration. There were rarely times that, uh, either we asked the Rebbe, which means we didn't ask where this says. We gave him that page where the thing it says there with a question mark on the side, asking, "Have I gone and show to the Rebbe?" And, you know, and, uh, important things. And sometimes it happened after the thing was printed, and something was saying there, and, uh, Maram Mokomida was wrong or missing, and the Rebbe wrote on the side. For instance, um, there are certain Maram

32:30 Speaker 1 Chemes that we had no choice. Like, it's not just the Rebbe says a, um, a posik or something, By the way, like in the Brocha, what the, uh, the famous Rebbe's instruction, if you don't find, take it out. This was, for instance, the Rebbe said in the Sichof Shabbos Matzama, The Rebbe said, uh, He spoke about the famous Gemara. And then, then the Rebbe said, he continued finishing the Sichof. It says, as the name of Moshiach is Moshiach. That it says that Moshiach, his name is Cheskia. That Moshiach's name is Cheskia. Of course, in Gemara Sanhedrin, we didn't find anything. We asked something, the Rebbe, uh, but that page we had to give in. Just that page itself, the way it was ready to be printed, no, no connection, begin again. And the Rebbe then added a bunch of lines. It's all most probably everything is publicized. A whole thing just to leave what he said.

33:36 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

33:37 Speaker 1 But he added that it's in with the whole, uh, explanation to bring out that, that there is why he said that it should be like this.

33:50 Speaker 2 There is a-

33:50 Speaker 1 Basically, the Rebbe said-

33:50 Speaker 2 There is a for it.

33:51 Speaker 1 Huh?

33:52 Speaker 2 There is a for it.

33:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, he says, he's using the expression, it's based on the that he's using... He doesn't say in Gemara Sanhedrin, the famous Sugya. He's using of Sanhedrin. Uh, for instance, um, in the Maimel, and this is very interesting. This is already a, a Maram Mokem that, that they wrote. In the Maimel, I think Shabbos Nos, So the Rebbe says that, uh, sh- the is, uh, they come out from the the six spheres of Lomailo, as the Alter Rebbe brings in the Hagah in Tanya. And they simply ask the Rebbe which Hagah, you know? Not everyone was working in Tanya. And the Rebbe says-

34:46 Speaker 2 Nagah.

34:46 Speaker 1 Huh?

34:47 Speaker 2 Nagah.

34:48 Speaker 1 No. I, I could tell you one thing today, most people, uh, the people who work in the Rebbe Sichs, of course, know the Tanya upside down. Uh, and they have the Rebbe, but they couldn't mem-- maybe it doesn't say exactly. I don't know. I didn't look it up. Now, the Rebbe answered, I'm referring to the second Hagah in the end of Pirke Maim, there's a lot of Hagahs there. Like, there was a Maimel of, uh, And they're interesting enough, this was a week they for bringing, and the same like the other one, the whole The Rebbe mentioned about something he said, as known the explanation in Birhasai, means the book Birhasai. Uh, writing the Hanukah, they must have found it, it was easier in the Birhasai of the Tzama Chadek, and that's what they take, and they wrote in the Maimel, And they put a footnote which page. But the Rebbe answered, The Rebbe says, "On purpose, I did not say that I'm referring to the Birhasai of Tzama Chadek, because this inyan already exists in an earlier source in Birhasai of the Mitteler Rebbe," which the Rebbe said Birhasai of Mitteler Rebbe is called Birhasai Stam, means the Mitteler Rebbe. And that's why he said Birhasai. And the Birhasai was printed by the Mitteler Rebbe. Here's, for instance, um, a very, very interesting, uh, uh, thing that happened, Sicha also a week from the tape. Um, in Sichof Purim when they prepared Hanukah, in the Sicha, the Rebbe mentioned about, uh, something, uh, the

36:38 Speaker 1 way, the way we printed the, the way we prepared Hanukah, we wrote There's a Sugya in Gemara Shabbos about knife, the things that prepare to the mitzvah. Uh, and now, and the Rebbe says, uh, as you known what Rashi says. I mean, who is supposed to know what Rashi says, which Rashi? And we asked the Rebbe, and this, surprisingly enough, the Rebbe asked, "Please copy this And send me in the few lines from the tape the way I spoke, which this thing is in the middle of those few lines. I, without thinking twice, I ran fast. I took my, uh, the shimmer of the tape that I typed. I typed over those 10 lines, gave it into Rebbe without, I guess, the people had to look, didn't look, and didn't realize there was any difference. And the Rebbe circled around that word-for-word transcript from the tape, and he write, he writes, "I didn't say machshire, I said hechsher mitzvah." And it say, he taken the, the Rashis in Yevamis, Vov Amadal-

37:55 Speaker 2 That's the way he wrote it?

37:56 Speaker 1 Huh?

37:56 Speaker 2 That's the way he wrote it? He wrote hechsher?

37:59 Speaker 1 No, we by mistake wrote machshire.

38:00 Speaker 2 Ah.

38:00 Speaker 1 We had no clue because obviously we looked in Masechtah Shabbos.

38:03 Speaker 2 No, I'm saying in the, in the hanachah, the, in the, in the transcript of the tape. You wrote machshir?

38:07 Speaker 1 On the tape, the Rebbe said.

38:08 Speaker 2 Yeah.

38:08 Speaker 1 But we d- w- we didn't pay attention.

38:10 Speaker 2 Right.

38:10 Speaker 1 There's a machshira mitzvah, I'm sorry to say. The Maratz says hechsher mitzvah is a mistake. But the Rebbe kind of, of, must have been surprised. I gotta see, what did I say? And, uh, we gave it in. The Rebbe says, "Here," he circled around. I said, "Not machshire."

38:25 Speaker 2 So in, in, in the transcript it did say hechsher?

38:27 Speaker 1 He said properly.

38:28 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:28 Speaker 1 And then the Rebbe, and the Rebbe said, "This is the Rashi Rashi in Yevamis," you know?

38:33 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

38:38 Speaker 1 Um, a, a few of the interesting things the Rebbe-

38:40 Speaker 2 Who is writing all of this? David Feldman?

38:43 Speaker 1 Um, yes. This is, those years everything is, uh, throughout all the years, besides a short time that the Rashi were written by Rab David Aladot, uh-

38:54 Speaker 2 And so who's writing to the Rebbe all these things?

38:56 Speaker 1 Uh, yeah, yes, yes. In the Maimon would have, it would be Zvi Greenblatt, Rav Zvi Greenblatt. In the Sichas would be Rab David Feldman. Of course, sometimes they would talk it over with, uh, with Rav Gail or with other people. Uh, again, we only, he would only ask questions that y- y- you can't write. It's basic things that's negate to the Be'er. Um, talking about the Rebbe's, uh, corrections, uh, there's also a very interesting, uh, a sach, helek a sach, and the Rebbe is a helek a mensch. Besides everything, the main thing is the Rebbe is a helek a read. And for instance, there was a Maimer, Shuva Yisroel Tov Shin Mem. Uh, the Maimer of the Rebbe was Maggia, was not even given in double space, was given in a single space, like kind of a Nochaprotis without Mamakemis, was written by Rabbi Yilkan. And the Rebbe mentioned of the posek, "Oneiche, Oneiche, Homeche Pszecha, Lamani." Uh, the Rebbe still wipes off the sins, and then says, it says twice Oneiche, and then goes Lamani. And his explanation, you'll see this, what's Oneiche, Oneiche, and what's Lamani? Uh, you know, when you copy a posek altogether, two words, why would you take them out for two words to write a Gemer? So the way it was written, "Oneiche, Oneiche, Oneiche, Homeche Pszecha, Lamani." It was twice written in that page. The Rebbe circled them around both and took them out, the two words, "Meche Pszecha." He said, "Instead, we should put in a Gemer."

40:26 Speaker 1 And the Rebbe wrote on the side, "Bechivun leomartes." On purpose, I did not say those two words. If I may add the simple explanation, this was Rosh Hashanah. It wasn't necessary for the Be'er also. It was Rosh Hashanah. Rosh Hashanah, you don't mention anything of, uh, in the davening of Enoshainus, of, uh, Ashamnu, things like this, Chatom. Um-

40:49 Speaker 2 There's a famous one also that Rebbe wrote, uh, uh, Muged HaKeMaimer.

40:54 Speaker 1 This is a Muged HaKeMaimer.

40:54 Speaker 2 No, but, um, yeah, another one, about Meshabim, the Pesiyam and the Chaldava.

40:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, that one's very famous, yes.

40:59 Speaker 2 Ke liv lemar teyvezu of Pesi on Meshabim.

41:01 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which again, how are you supposed to write a sentence? You can't blame people right. What are you gonna write? Yamul Chaldavo?

41:11 Speaker 2 Right.

41:11 Speaker 1 What? But, uh-

41:13 Speaker 2 Han, the Hanachas, the way it is, if the Rebbe quotes, you know, a few words from a Chazal, they'll write the whole thing in the Hanacha.

41:19 Speaker 1 Not the whole. You write-

41:20 Speaker 2 But, um-

41:20 Speaker 1 ... the minimum a, a complete sentence, something, uh-

41:22 Speaker 2 Yeah. That's, that's the style of Hanachas, yeah.

41:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, and, and you wouldn't think it would make a, it would make a difference, even in Mugedike. I- as, as we know, by the way, another thing, as we know, um, that the Rebbe, we learned it from the Rebbe, y- when you make corrections, you do not erase the Eibishter's name. You circle it around and take it out. Also, uh, the Rebbe never erased a name of a person. Even when the Rebbe would take out his... For other people, I've seen, uh, um, Tov Shin Yadaled would mention names in those, uh, had all the stories, all the sikhalek about, uh, Birum from the Rebbe and the Maimer of the, of the Chassidim. The Rebbe would take out names. He wouldn't erase them. Here's very interesting, uh, holy one, that the Maimer, the Rebbe wanted to era- uh, take out the words Atzmus Umuhus. You know, this is not the Eibishter's name that you're not supposed to erase. It's not a person's name. Atzmus Umuhus. What do we know what Atzmus Umuhus is? The Rebbe did not erase it twice. He just took it out, uh, circled it around and take it out to the side. Um, concerning, uh, and this something, uh, uh, you say this because, uh, concerning Mara Makemis. Um, so the Rebbe's me- sometimes the Rebbe would say, "If you don't find it, whatever something, you gotta take it out if you don't find the Mara Makem." For instance, here I have a, a Muged HaKeMaimer. This, uh, Maimer, I think, Tes

42:54 Speaker 1 Vov Kislev, Tov Shin Mem Alf came out the Kuntrasim Vachnas Sefer Teirim Amalef. Over there in the Maimer, it says, the Rebbe says, as, as my father-in-law, the Friedrich Rebbe writes, that all, also women are obligated learning Hasidus. Obviously, there was a number there, but in those years, there was no way in the world to find it. I, I think I went to Rabbi Weinberg and says he remembers, uh, that there was, uh, in Poland, whether it was in Atvotsk, somewhere, letters to Friedrich Rebbe. But there was no way for us. It was much years before the Eagle Skaters started coming out. Where are you gonna go search for that? Uh- Was left empty, and the Rebbe wrote, The Rebbe said there is a printed letter to, uh, to Bnei Yisroel in Riga. They had organization we know now. Today in Yekus Shekesh everything is there. There was organization, uh, Bnei, uh, Chabad in Riga, and Fredrick got the let-- And the letter was printed in those years. But doesn't mean anything. It still existed in our time, for sure not, uh, maybe in Rebbe's library, Rebbe's library. But the Rebbe wrote, "If you don't find the Maramokim, to take out the whole Ha'ore, and also the number. Don't forget to take out the number. Don't leave a number inside which refers to the bottom." And then they wrote to the Rebbe, they found themselves a letter, a similar letter or something. But the Rebbe said, "This is not what he's talking about," because

44:31 Speaker 1 he doesn't mention about learning Chassidus. It's a letter to the, to the Bonis Beriga about their activities, but it doesn't say that they're obligated to learn Chassidus. The Rebbe says, "No, take out the Ha'ore." I would like to, um... Okay, since we're on Maramokim is, I wanted to go back to some technical. We'll continue. Uh, here's a very interesting klalus dike instruction, a general instruction, uh, by the Rebbe concerning Maramokim is. In the Sikha of Motzei Shabbat Chay Sara, Tovshin Lamed Tes, again, it's from a tape. Uh, the Rebbe says there, he spoke about the famous mashal. The Rebbe calls it always the mashal of the liver, the thing that you lift, that you wanna lift a, lift a building, you start from the bottom, then you could lift the whole, the top floor also. But the Rebbe mentioned there that mashal of, of lifting a building from the bottom, and he connected with Chodesh Tishrei. But the question was whether the source, what the Rebbe is referring to is the famous Maimon in Teruer, in the beginning of Teruer, or in the Kuter in itself, in which it says differently. Over there it says, it doesn't say liver, it says a different word in, in jargon something. So the Rebbe answered there as follow. He says, "Maramokim," when you Maramokim is, says the Rebbe, there are several categories under several kavanas, intentions, what the Rebbe has when it Maramokim, or he says in the Farbrengen. One reason for Maramokim, you wanna take on

46:05 Speaker 1 where is the source of what you said, the pastos. The second one is You wanna expand and deepen the understanding of by to a place that Rebbe says, in that case, not necessarily do I where it says like this, I could be opposite, which from there you could take out a detail or a klal, something addition. Um, I... We all remember sometimes the Rebbe Farbrengen. The Rebbe said the Farbrengen that he on purpose Maramokim. It says the opposite to see if people will, will catch. And, uh, there was something, um... The Rebbe said, it's, uh, it's a very interesting thing. It's concerning about the, uh, the Kitsur. The Rebbe said something of, uh, Chassidishe vort and a certain explanation. And, uh, they asked the Rebbe that in the Kitsur Ovos HaTanya, in the famous letter of the Fredrick Rebbe, printed in Sefer Kitsur Ovos HaTanya, it says something differently. It wasn't actually the only time that we asked the Rebbe that here he spoke like this, and here he spoke differently. So the Rebbe answered, "There's seventy ways to learn Torah, and you people found in this case two, and you're surprised there is two." I remember there's a, a similar thing, the, the, the Likutei Yitzhak. There's a Parshah Eikev, I think it's the first time the Rebbe ever spoke on Likutei Yitzhak. It was then the Rebbe's Maggid, that piece, was Tovshin Chof Tes. Um, and the Rebbe said of Sabil, "This is Kabbalah." Then another year, the Rebbe said differently, and

47:58 Speaker 1 we asked a question that says over there differently, and the Rebbe answered. It kind of... If I repeat again the same thing I said before, what's, what's the point?

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50:11 Speaker 1 So Bechol, the, about, about... And it's, it's very fascinating about Maramokim The whole idea of Ma'amad Me'ekemais is the Rebbe's Chidush. You know? Like, it's, like, not a common thing. Maybe today it is, but, you know, uh, definitely wasn't then to have Sfat in Ma'amad Me'ekemais. Yeah, act- actually, not only the idea of making Ma'amad Me'ekemais is much the Rebbe's way, also the style how to say it in Ma'amad Me'ekemais, like that, uh, you make the, the, the chapter a kama, and then the posek is, like, bobbe and people like this, more modern people that made the work properly. They are the ones who did and started to say, uh, in technical way. They did very good books, uh, when it comes to sources of things. So what about, um, what about haros from the whatever, answers from the Rebbe about, uh, about, like, the signun and the way the secas are written and, uh, things like that? Uh, the Rebbe wanted that, uh, anything written, it doesn't matter what he spoke. What you pre-- what you're writing is for people to read, to publicize. It has to be written well in an organized way, a beginning, an end. Things should make sense. And one of the things the Rebbe didn't like when it, it looked to him that, um, what was written is kind of very close to a, a word toward the transcript, even though it was written in Lashon Kadesh. A few samples here. And one of the ma'amarim that the Rebbe,

51:54 Speaker 1 uh, was magiyit, but the Rebbe wrote on top that the ma'amar is signun mavhil, hatokas milo b'milo ma'amar zhukhulu. That the way it was written, the, the signun, the style of writing is shocking. And in parentheses, it is practically copied word for word of, of the tape, I guess. Actually, that ma'amar, because of the Rebbe being so, um, so sharp about it, uh, even though the Rebbe was magiyit thoroughly, we did not print it. We asked that time, uh, Rebbe Label Oltean, he was the vadl of otzichas, to, um, rewrite it. It was done, but, uh, it was given in again. But, uh, most probably the Rebbe doesn't have time to work twice on something.

52:45 Speaker 3 So that ma'amar was never put out with the Rebbe's hagoz?

52:48 Speaker 1 Uh, I think later on in the Terus Menachem, they put it in, in the Sofes. Uh, they added all the Rebbe's corrections into the ma'amar the way it's written well.

53:03 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

53:05 Speaker 1 Uh, some other ma'amar, this is the ma'amar in the Mamter Lachem, Lechem Nashamayim from Tov Shin Lamed Zayin. The Rebbe kind of commented it wasn't prepared by Rebbe Yael. The Rebbe commented, "V'lashon ha-kodesh muzar," it's written in, in, in a strange Lashon Kadesh.

53:23 Speaker 3 You're talking about ma'amar with the Rebbe's magiya.

53:24 Speaker 1 Yeah.

53:25 Speaker 3 This is, this is a different topic than the hanochos.

53:27 Speaker 1 No, the... No, the-- I'm talking Rebbe, around Rebbe's magiya in the years of the Sichas, not in the project of the Ma'amoran which started in Tov Shem Im Volve. I'm talking-

53:38 Speaker 3 So sometimes-

53:38 Speaker 1 ... here and there

53:39 Speaker 3 So sometimes the Rebbe would take a hanocha of the Ma'amarim and decide to, to magiya on his own? So the-

53:45 Speaker 1 The, there was two ways. Yeah, it happened sometimes that a hanocha was given in, and lucky enough, we didn't think to give it in magiya. We didn't have the chutzpah. In that case, we would have to type it, kill double space, make it easier, make better Ma'amad Me'ekemais. Uh, but most times we didn't do that. From time to time, it was a special ma'amar. Rebbe Yael would come and decide to write up the ma'amar and give it in to the Rebbe. Sometimes the Rebbe would magiya, sometimes not. Uh, but some- sometimes the Rebbe wanted to magiya a ma'amar. Were good or not good, he was magiyit, but he wasn't so happy. And, and this ma'amar, uh, the Rebbe added the word hanocha, but it was obvious that the Rebbe meant to be magiyit. And we did give it in, and the Rebbe put the date on the Peser Dovo. Um, in general, there's a lot of times that the Rebbe's expression concerning his hagoz, the Rebbe would say that, "When I fix, it doesn't mean that was... After I fix, this is good." Like, here's one expression and an explanation on Rashi that was written up based on the Rebbe's answers. And the Rebbe wrote the signun, the style of writing is, is muzar fani. V'hishmatiti, I took out. Rak hamuchov yes, I only fixed the most important. Which means when the Rebbe fixes, it doesn't mean that the whole thing is completely good. I mean, it's Mugadic, it's printed. Um, here's interesting of, of

55:14 Speaker 1 things that, um-

55:16 Speaker 3 And this is for the hanochas that, that had something wrong.

55:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, this is hanocha. Here's even in the Mugadic, my ma'amarim, they were prepared, and according to the rov of the Rebbe, beginning after Simchas Torah, Rabbi Gonad given over to Rebbe Elkana, he was the manich, that Rebbe wants us should give him in, the ma'amarim.

55:31 Speaker 3 After Simin?

55:32 Speaker 1 After the heart attack.

55:33 Speaker 3 Yeah.

55:34 Speaker 1 That they, uh, should give him in, uh, the ma'amarim Sichas. And in the ma'amar, for instance, Avram Zoken, Chay Sorotov Shalom Etches. In Yiddish, the Rebbe says, as this and this, "Git aruis de maile." It brings out the specialty of Avram. The way they wrote it in Hebrew, they wrote, "Misbatei malose." It's expressed as maile. And the Rebbe said on it, I mean, I don't know if Rebbe would have another way to, to write over those words in, in, in, in, in Yiddish. Um-

56:08 Speaker 3 In Loshon Kodesh

56:09 Speaker 1 In, in Loshon Kodesh. But the Rebbe wrote in it, "Hanimtza Loshon ze betach, betach." Did you ever find this expression? "Mizbatei Yichsidis." Uh, uh, something similar which we all know in a, a lot of the Maimon, the beginning of the paragraph is Vizehu.

56:30 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

56:31 Speaker 1 And it's normal language. But here was a Maimon, Basuke states through Tov Shemem, came out in Tov Shemem, that the Rebbe circled around in two paragraphs. Over there it says, "Vizehu gam ashcheches." This is also the, the connection. Now, mind you, Sheches is Loshen HaKever. But nobody wrote in a Maimon Vizuhi. It's like, you know, we're not used to that. But the Rebbe's-

56:56 Speaker 3 You do see, uh, I was gonna say-

56:57 Speaker 1 Wrote Vizehu gam ashcheches, not Vizuhi. Why would I write Vizuhi? Usually Yichsid is Vizehu. But the Rebbe commented on the two times Vizehu gam ashcheches in the two paragraphs, one after the other. He circled it, and he writes like this, "Sugia shlema beresh kidushin bechilig Loshen Zochor, Loshen HaKever." There's a whole Sugia in the beginning of Kidushin about the difference, something that is written in Loshen of, uh, Zochor or Loshen HaKever. "Velohem leich pasklal," and to those people, they couldn't care about it. I'm sure at that time they, they fixed it. Vizuhi was very unusual to write in a Maimon Vizuhi. You know, this-

57:37 Speaker 3 But I was gonna say that you do see it. I guess it was afterwards, after the story.

57:40 Speaker 1 Misnama could be false, but usually-

57:43 Speaker 3 What hap-- Uh, do you remember what, uh, the BL changed Mizbate to?

57:47 Speaker 1 I don't remember. It, it could be checked either way.

57:50 Speaker 3 Check in the Maimon. Okay, fine.

57:51 Speaker 1 In the Maimon, but I, I didn't check at this moment. And one of the Sichas, now concerning the way to write a, uh, translation, and this is very important for today's day, uh, where people are giving out supposedly a Hanochah. A, a transcript from tape is something else. When you make a Hanochah in Hebrew, and you write word for word, here's what the Rebbe wrote in one of the Sichas of the ear- of our earlier years. I'm talking about Lamed Vov those years. "Amarti vekamakamapom," I said several times that the Kavana, the intention of Hatoka, of copying something, is Sheiovinu tech namaduba. The people should understand the contents of what was spoken. "Velei diyuk ba tok- ba hetek mil bil," there's no point in being exact, copying word for word, which once you do that, "Bemeilein ze klal sicha lekria," it's not anymore a Sicha that could be read. It's rather a Reshima Satokas Tevis. It's a list, a Reshima where you copied words.

59:01 Speaker 3 Mm.

59:02 Speaker 1 It's not a Sicha anymore. It's not readable. "Umucher," the Rebbe says there's a must that you should translate Chofshis, free translation, what's called. "Valide ze," this has to be done by someone who knows the language and the Digduk to write it properly, and someone who knows the language of Michtovei Torah, writing things of Torah, not of newspapers.

59:29 Speaker 3 What's the Loshen?

59:31 Speaker 1 Yes.

59:31 Speaker 3 That's, that's it. What's the Loshen?

59:36 Speaker 1 The Loshen, "Amarti vekamakamapomim kavonas haatoka sheiovinu tech namaduba velei diyuk ba- ba hetek milo bimilo shebemeilein ze klal sicha lekria kiim reshimas haatokas tevis. Umucher sheyotak chofshis valide ze sheyede lahak vedigdukov veesignon miktovei torah velei de michtovim itim."

1:00:19 Speaker 3 Mm.

1:00:19 Speaker 1 I wanna go back a little bit, um, to, um, to the technical, uh, part. Uh, in all those years from when we started, uh, Hanoch Satmim from Tov Shlamet Vov till Tov Shin Mem, till about Kislev Tov Shin Mem, a good friend of mine, Ari Weiss, would be the typist. Those were typewriters, of course, till the end of Mem Zay in nineteen eighty-seven, there were no computers.

1:00:50 Speaker 3 Computers.

1:00:50 Speaker 1 Uh, at least that time started the Mezuzah, so a different kind, but, uh, I'm talking about the regular. So it was a typewriter. Uh, he would sit, uh, Hanochs were done in the day. He would sit the whole night or whatever it is, twelve hours nonstop, not practically not getting up from his chair. He was a good typist. Um, and then, um, later on, uh, the size of the Hanochs all the years was eight and a half by eleven, and you would staple it in the corner. Um, one time, sometimes the end of Tov Shin Lamed Zayin, Rosh Chodesh van Hachimov, Matzma Asri, sometimes that time, um, uh, Rav Rom Shemtiv had come back from Poland. He was sent up by the Rebbe to get out the Friedrich Rebbe's library. When he came back, he, um, he-- The library arrived later. The Rebbe went Lamed Hez before the Rebbe came out from seven, seven Rosh Chodesh Kislev. He went without anybody seeing, just a few people, to the library to check it. Um, the Rebbe, Rav Rom Shemtiv met the Rebbe, I guess, by the room. The Rebbe gave him a Matona, the Hanoch, the Maimer of, uh, Shabbos Matza Massei with the Sicha and the Maimer. The Rebbe brought with Saviet Kadesh, Boruch Hashem, Shabbos Kadesh Chazon Tov Shlomit Zayin, and signed his name. And the Rebbe told them, it was . When we heard that the sicha, which we didn't consider our Hanochs to be anything, we were kind of embarrassed, it was

1:02:24 Speaker 1 done for the people. When we heard that the Hanoch is so that the Rebbe gives it and signs his name on it, we decided we're gonna change the size, make it a more normal acceptable size, not a page like this, eight and a half by 11, but a pamphlet. And the Rebbe was asked, uh, like to give it out, the Rebbe, they wrote exact to Rebbe how, what size they wanna make it, like the regular size of, of Likud Sichas, which is a little bit bigger than eight and a half by 11 folded. Something like this, take an eight and a half by 11 folded. Uh, the Rebbe did not agree, but something, the Rebbe wrote something like, uh, it seemed that the Rebbe agreed to part of it, but not fully. We already had asked the Rebbe, so then we decided to, um, to ask the Rebbe, and we wrote everything, the sizes, everything was written to the Rebbe, how it's gonna look. And we started making it from then, which is from Shabbos Roshanon Tu B'Av, 'cause we found out that information a little bit later. The farbrengen started coming out, and the size was called a six by nine, actually, uh, six and a half by nine and a half. This is all if you have not the six case, you have the original ones that were bound in . From the third volume of, of, of Torash Lamad Zin, it's a different size.

1:03:37 Speaker 3 You were publishing Sfarim also then?

1:03:39 Speaker 1 That's what's interesting. No, by... And so by the end of the year, practically, people that bought by us the Hanoch every time it came out, came up to us. They brought us, uh, those single sichas, and if they were missing something, if we still had it, we put it in. And we took all those sichas, put them together. Practically, you would have the sicha, the Bochur's name written on top on each sicha. And, uh, we gave it to those Katz Book Binding, the famous book binding in Williamsburg. They did the Rebbe's Seder. They would do everything you needed, something nice with a hardcover binding. It was very expensive. Was-- each book was done by hand. And we bound it for the Bochur, the same thing, uh, . Uh, after that never was there a complete year. also missing a little bit. Uh, but the Maramokem was still done inside the sicha in, in parentheses, which disturbs the reading, which as everyone knows. Also, when you write the Maramokem inside, you can't write a lengthy or two Maramokem. You have to make it as short as possible. It, uh, doesn't let you-

1:04:50 Speaker 3 Why was that done? Because of typewriter? You can't do it on the bottom?

1:04:53 Speaker 1 No. First of all, it wasn't easy. Look, when you look today, they're giving out now all the sichas from the early years, the, the facsimiles. They, in , after even the Rebbe was Maggid, they typed everything, put in the Rebbe's Hagahos inside, till later started doing on the bottom. How do you make on a typewriter Hagahos on the bottom? Uh, it's not easy. You have to calculate how much text to type on top, which means you first type up the Maramokem separately, and you keep on typing the inside and keep on putting on the bottom of your page, measuring, "Do I still have time to add another line inside so it should fit on the bottom?"

1:05:36 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

1:05:38 Speaker 1 The Maramokem were inside. At that time, happened to be after the farbrengen of Chad Galei Tav, which is Torash Lamad Ches, which the Rebbe spoke that time about, uh, about Prime, uh, Prime Minister Begin. And, uh, the farbrengen came out, Hanoch Satmimim. A while, a little bit later, the Rebbe was Maggid, the whole farbrengen, and we should give it out in a Mahadura Basra. I don't think maybe it was given over to us not in print, so we redid, retyped the whole farbrengen, took out the words Hanoch Satmim Biltemuga on the cover. We added big words, Mahadura Basra. And I- if I'm not mistaken, the Rebbe in that sicha marked off that we should put down the Maramokem. He put numbers, we should put them on the bottom. It was another sicha like this.

1:06:37 Speaker 3 I, I don't understand. So why was the Mahadura Basra?

1:06:40 Speaker 1 No, the Rebbe, after it was printed, the Rebbe said, "Hanoch Satmim Biltemuga," the Rebbe was Maggid the whole farbrengen.

1:06:45 Speaker 3 Ah. Yes, Mahadura Basra. Okay.

1:06:46 Speaker 1 So, but we didn't give it in typesetting. I'm sorry to explain. We didn't do it typesetting like regular, like Likud Sichas, Tukals, whatever. We just retyped it on a typewriter, the whole farbrengen.

1:06:55 Speaker 3 Why didn't you do like Likud Sichas?

1:06:57 Speaker 1 Maybe we ha-- I don't remember now if it was a rough Rebbe that it wasn't... Whatever. Not, not always were things clear. Sometimes, for instance, um, there were times the Rebbe was Maggid a few Hagahos, and the Maimar HaLivano says, "No, this is not to be printed." He called it the Rebbe's Maggid Provizorish, means just to nebech knew if not fully, just... Sometimes we did, we used the, the famous saying, uh, uh, when a person gives you a finger, he grabbed the whole hand. If the Rebbe made a few corrections, we took the gats and typeset it, gave it in. If we're lucky, the Rebbe put his stamp on it, and here you have a mugga dikah Maimar. That one, we retyped it, and we put the Hagahos on the bottom, but we used for each one a separate line. Shortly thereafter, we decided we gotta start doing the, all the Hanochs with the Maramokem on the bottom. But of course, we made the Maramokem typed consecutively, like one with the Maramokem, and then two. And the same thing, we type up a whole page or two with all the Maramokem, and Ari Weiss would keep on typing the sicha and measure to see how much do I have to leave to be able later to, to type up on the bottom what I typed already there, it should fit in. Um, and but there was also a issue. Unlike the, the- That was give-- coming out now. The first rounds of those green pamphlets.

1:08:29 Speaker 1 How did you make a number for a footnote? You had to type a number, lift a tiny bit the roll of the typewriter, so the numbers go a little bit higher, but the numbers are very big. We couldn't have this, so we went and s- to a printer, to whether it was Empire Press or the Goldberg, and they typed us up a sheet of numbers from one to two hundred or th-three hundred. We took that sheet and made very sharp good photocopies of it, and then we would, um, we had the machines called a waxer. We'd put in wax. It was plugged in. It would melt the wax. That's how the old was done. How do you paste up the columns and the bottom of the horrors? It didn't come like this from the computer till who knows when. So we would-

1:09:13 Speaker 3 So before print, it would be stuck on.

1:09:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, you-

1:09:16 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:09:16 Speaker 1 Yeah. Sure. Figure out. You'd, uh, the guy would have the whole roll of the take a look how much fits inside, how much . Where do I stop? And like this, kept on pasting it on. So we did the same, and we would have to cut the numbers tiny. Each number took up very little place. Exactly. No space. There's a special knife for that. And carefully take that number with our finger, with a nail, and put it on there and press it down hard. It shouldn't fall off. And by typing, we didn't leave a whole space empty. We would leave... You go to the typewriter halfway back to, um, to, uh, leave enough space. If it's one number, two numbers, and like this, the whole . And of course, if you sometimes later after it was printed or even before, if you weren't careful, the number would fall off and would end up having a . It, it actually happened once. This was a, a interesting story that, um-

1:10:12 Speaker 3 One second. The Hano- But the Hanocha started having the at the bottom?

1:10:16 Speaker 1 Yes. From that-

1:10:16 Speaker 3 When?

1:10:16 Speaker 1 -for bringing on right after that happened, the story of the Rebbe's . So we started making small pamphlets in, as I said, in Tofshin, uh-

1:10:26 Speaker 3 That's the way it's printed-

1:10:26 Speaker 1 -Lamed Zayin.

1:10:27 Speaker 3 It's like this, it's printed like that?

1:10:29 Speaker 1 Yeah. The big pages, they enlarge it, but of course it's like this.

1:10:31 Speaker 3 Actually, it does look okay.

1:10:33 Speaker 1 Maybe some-- But they're already printed from a printed one. Numbers couldn't fall off. But original wa-was, it was a problem.

1:10:38 Speaker 3 Okay, so what happened? So the number fell off.

1:10:39 Speaker 1 Uh, no, it happened one... This, okay, happens, happens. It happened once, a that the Rebbe suddenly The Rebbe asked that he wants to be Magya to farbrengen. The farbrengen yet wasn't written up. It was written up. The whole Hanocha was written up by Rabdovid Feldman, typed. But by the typist, he was only up to, like, the first ten, fifteen pages. And as it is, the Rebbe didn't wanna wait. We gave him in the part that was already a photocopy of the part that was already typed up nice, and the rest was a double space the way it is typed with the inside. And the Rebbe actually Magya'd the whole thing, but we didn't realize. I mean, w-we wouldn't even think. It was rash. The Rebbe said we should give him right away. That the ten, fifteen pages that were given to the Rebbe, the typed ones, it was-- The farbrengen wasn't finished, so there were no numbers there. There were footnotes on the bottom with numbers. And the Rebbe wrote there, . It's missing inside the where the m- where belongs the number. We didn't realize that, though, even if we would, we couldn't hold him back to do it, uh, um-

1:11:47 Speaker 3 Because you do at the end. It's-

1:11:50 Speaker 1 No, but, but before he starts typing.

1:11:51 Speaker 3 See, the numbers are put in later.

1:11:53 Speaker 1 Yeah, the last thing. When you finish the whole , you start pasting in.

1:11:56 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:11:56 Speaker 1 Uh, at the time there was a-

1:11:57 Speaker 3 That's how you do it today, too.

1:11:59 Speaker 1 What?

1:12:00 Speaker 3 Today, too. You wait till the last version till you, uh-

1:12:03 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:12:03 Speaker 3 ... put numbers and what.

1:12:04 Speaker 1 No, you could make before, then you take, it gets updated automatically, everything.

1:12:07 Speaker 3 It gets complicated. Okay. Whatever. Yeah.

1:12:10 Speaker 1 It depends. If, if you work with Word, everything is automatic. The one reason I still work with Word, even though nobody does this, 'cause it updates the numbers. It shouldn't be a mistake. In the other program, Tag, I don't know what Lahak use today, Tag, um, when you make a double number, in Word, it has cross-reference.

1:12:31 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

1:12:31 Speaker 1 You catch the same number. In their program, sometimes you see there's a double number, which is the wrong one, 'cause later on numbers were, were added, and all the numbers got advanced, but this number stayed-

1:12:41 Speaker 3 Yeah

1:12:42 Speaker 1 ... the wrong one. Okay. We'll, uh, we'll go back, um... Uh, now, Mugdike Sichas. Even before the of the, the winter, or what we call came out, like, called . Even before that, the Rebbe would from time to time be Magya Sicha. When the Rebbe's Magya Sicha, uh, the Rebbe adds or on the, on the pages where the were by the end. And the way you add it is with a star, or with two stars, or with three stars. Then later you have to straighten it out. Actually, when you look in the Sichas in the time before computers, there are with stars 'cause the Rebbe added, and there was no way to retypeset the whole Sicha because the numbers changed. It would cost too much money. But since, uh, you could always see in a Sicha when there was a star, you could figure that the one with the star is not the horror the Rebbe added, but another one. They didn't want people to know which horror the Rebbe added. They would change around a few numbers, so... But you could recognize always which one is the Rebbe's, which one is not.

1:13:54 Speaker 3 So the star-

1:13:56 Speaker 1 But the Rebbe didn't like the stars.

1:13:58 Speaker 3 Isn't the star like on the ?

1:14:01 Speaker 1 That's a .

1:14:01 Speaker 3 That's a .

1:14:03 Speaker 1 On the , there does no choice. Mostly it's one star, two stars, three stars. But at least the numbers inside and all the horrors should be... The Rebbe, uh, insisted we should straighten out, uh, take out the .

1:14:16 Speaker 3 The Rebbe didn't like it.

1:14:17 Speaker 1 Yes. Um-

1:14:19 Speaker 3 The, the Sichas is full of it.

1:14:20 Speaker 1 And he didn't... What?

1:14:22 Speaker 3 The Sichas is full of stars.

1:14:24 Speaker 1 In those years, there was no way to do it. It was, it was before computers.

1:14:29 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

1:14:30 Speaker 1 Um, I'm talking about before even, uh, when Word came out. I mean, when Word came out, I think Tofshin Dalt. Even when MS-DOS came out, but still the way the Sichas were done, MS-DOS was looked like a typewriter. It spread it out. It wasn't typeset. Typeset was still done by a machine called AM Varityper. The machine costed $100,000. Uh, hmm.

1:14:57 Speaker 3 So you're saying potentially they would-

1:14:59 Speaker 1 It would be too much work.

1:15:00 Speaker 3 Right. To redo the whole, to redo everything.

1:15:03 Speaker 1 That's... But if there would be a lot of , I guess they would redo. Um, so for instance, but, and the Rebbe also, as all the years, the Rebbe knew there's nobody responsible kind. He has to take care of all the technical things. Not... I mean, the Rebbe could have known already most probably, but he didn't rely on it. So for instance, Maimon Chagos with Mem Gimel, which came out Mugadic Erst. Tov Shemem Zayin, the Rebbe wrote on top, "Levata laKehovim," take out the stars, "Ulahachnisam beseder," put them in in proper order.

1:15:43 Speaker 3 As hard as.

1:15:44 Speaker 1 One, two, three. It shouldn't be one with a star. Also, after the Rebbe was Magya the first time, Rebbe would add more things. It's based on what the Rebbe fixed. He would have to ask, add this or that or, and so on. So there was tons of stars, like in-

1:15:58 Speaker 3 Asterisk.

1:15:59 Speaker 1 What?

1:15:59 Speaker 3 It's called an asterisk.

1:16:00 Speaker 1 Asterisk. Yeah, gave it... Oui?

1:16:02 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, you said it.

1:16:03 Speaker 1 Good, Mishane. I'm sorry, I didn't go to all the teras, so I don't speak English. I never. Um, and again, in that same Maimer, which came out for Sukis Tov Shemem Zayin, the Kuntal Sukis Mem Zayin, in the Pesach Dover again, the Rebbe wrote, not Pesach Dover, the paper attached. Again, Levata laKehovim. Again, remind us, remember, take out the Kehovim and make the numbers, uh, one after the other. There was a, a, a, a issue with the Maharam Kamus that especially-

1:16:45 Speaker 3 So I'm trying... When... So when the Rebbe's Magya Sikah was all done through Valdnachas Atum, basically.

1:16:52 Speaker 1 Uh, yeah.

1:16:53 Speaker 3 The Rebbe has a Sefer of the Kutah Sikah, that's separate.

1:16:55 Speaker 1 Yes.

1:16:56 Speaker 3 But then, then Hanachas, the, the-

1:16:58 Speaker 1 Fabrengens

1:16:59 Speaker 3 ... the current Fabrengens-

1:17:00 Speaker 1 Yes

1:17:00 Speaker 3 ... the Rebbe was doing it through-

1:17:01 Speaker 1 It happened rarely here and there that, uh, they were busy with the Kutah Sikah. But it happened, Marshal, the Sikah Tov Shemem Zayin, Tikchayel, uh, the famous Sikah about Timchet Mimim, uh, eighty years, uh, Chayel Tov Shemem Zayin, Nun Zayin, whatever it is, how many years that of Timchet Mimim. The Rebbe spoke, uh, Mirnikah Sikah, Mistamah, uh, Rashad.

1:17:23 Speaker 3 Mem Zayin was, uh, was eighty years.

1:17:25 Speaker 1 Eighty years. Rebbe spoke a Sikah.

1:17:27 Speaker 3 I think.

1:17:27 Speaker 1 Gadia Yoi, whatever the famous, uh... And that time, Rebbe Liberal Altin prepared it, so they prepared it.

1:17:32 Speaker 3 So once in a while, the, the-

1:17:34 Speaker 1 If, if they would prepare, it really happened. They, they were busy enough. Um, so the Rebbe would ask to... Now, the Maharam Kamus, especially when it was the Maimerah Hanokah, the Rebbe's Magya. So the Maharam Kamus were very small. Just every number was like a Possek, a small Maharam Mokim. And es-especially when the Maimer is, is a, is a full column, it's not two columns like the Sikah. He looks on the bottom, it's all empty. And the Rebbe didn't like it. He wanted the Maharam Kamus should go bezeach hazeh, one after the other. For instance, um, Sikah Yud Sivan Lamates, was a, a Yechidas to Talmidim from Batasefer Limlocha, going back to Yitzro. Not only did the Rebbe say, the Rebbe went himself. There was a typed one before the typesetting. He went with a pen, attached every end of the previous Sefer to the next one. Every Sefer, like the twenty Seferas that were there, he attached them. Uh, for instance, even in the later Nisan Tov Shemem, Erev Shvish or Pesach. So, uh, Nis- in Gimel Nisan Tov Shemem, the Rebbe wrote, and the Hores, zeach hazeh, one after the other, consecutively, one next to the other. V'lei b'shuras b'fnatsum. And then again, shortly thereafter, since the Rebbe thought he might not do it, the Rebbe wrote, "Not in separate lines if you're making it in a format cotton," which means either you're gonna print, uh, children's Seferas come out a little booklet, it's also wide. Uh, then they had asked the Rebbe

1:19:12 Speaker 1 that what they're giving in is actually they're making it a regular wide format, like a regular surface-looking Seferas, a full width of, um, twenty-six pikas, if you know what that is. And therefore, they asked the Rebbe, could they leave the Maharam Kamus like this? And the Rebbe says, "No, since you're not doing in two columns." By two columns, it doesn't look empty. Actually, I think Tov Shinon Dalet already existed, uh, a program for Word, little bit later, that was called, um, Hamesif. Word was a guy in Williamsville. He would sell for them. He sells, he sells also the Itzak Hochman. A lot of these programs for years existed, a program, but, uh, we at least didn't even have all the years that program. So the Rebbe wrote that since it's in one, not in two columns, so you should still do the Maharam Kamus V'zeach Hazeh. Now we're gonna go to the so-called Keta of the Sikah, the part of the Sikah the Rebbe spoke about Shlomo Zorets or other topics, not, um, directly Rasha, Biurim, Sikah, so on.

1:20:22 Speaker 3 The world, the world, the worldly topics.

1:20:25 Speaker 1 Yeah. It started, so anyhow, Tov Shinon Dalet Rez, uh, the first time the Rebbe spoke about, that they understood the Rebbe speaking about, uh, Eretz Yisroel was Motzei Shabbos Lech Lecha. I think even a Shabbos before, the Rebbe started speaking of building Mikvehs, but it wasn't so. Anyhow-

1:20:42 Speaker 3 We said before that the Rebbe never spoke about general non-Judaism.

1:20:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, but it was, but, uh, not so... Look, in, in the years Lamed Beis, Lamed Gimel, every Fabregen, the Rebbe spoke about Mi Yehudi. But those things, first of the Fabregens mostly didn't come out. And, uh, mind you, I don't even think Rebbe count by Chazara of a Chazar those Sikahs.

1:21:04 Speaker 3 He didn't?

1:21:05 Speaker 1 He didn't, and people that said that when Rav Yael didn't chazer, nobody else was gonna chazer in front of Rav Yael. That I-- That's, that's obvious. Um, when Rav Yael says, sometimes he stops. He would ask, uh, whether it was Yossi Hecht or what I'm talking about, even the later years, uh, Shimon Chaton or David Feldman. Usually, Rav Yael would say, "If he didn't chazer, um, nobody was gonna say, 'Okay, now this sicha I'm gonna say.' This didn't exist. He was the chazer." They wouldn't have, uh, the chutzpah to do it either. And also it started, the Rebbe started speaking about the Matzav in Eretz Yisroel, and that part, of course, uh, would go in, in the HaNochach. By the way, in, in, in all the time later, this part could have been a half hour. There were times later on that the part about the Shlomo Sochach was forty-five minutes, over an hour. And even in, in the time when it was forty-five minutes, sometimes it could have been that in quantity, in amount of pages, the Sicha of Shlomo Sochach would amount to half of the amount of a whole farbrengen. But this was part of the farbrengen. Uh, we did it. Sometimes before Purim Lamed Heh, uh, Rabbi Holokov approached, uh, one of us and gave us over that the Rebbe said... I mean, obviously, the name of the Rebbe, that what the Rebbe speaks about Eretz Yisroel, okay, it was, uh, does not belong in the HaNochach. To us, this was

1:22:37 Speaker 1 the end of the world. It's like it was a gezera yumu, a decree, uh, that we're not gonna put in big part of the farbrengen. So we asked him, I mean, "How are the people in the world gonna know what the Rebbe spoke?" So he says, "Those that need to know will know." I, I guess he was referring to someone Motzei Shabbos calling, uh, first there were recordings, but he referred to someone, uh, calling after Shabbos and giving over to, to Berke Wolf, which was his spokesman. And now we, we somehow, uh, kind of begged for life. We-- And we suggested that we're not gonna put it in, in that part of farbrengen, but separately as a keta. Actually, this-

1:23:21 Speaker 3 And what's it called? It's called-

1:23:22 Speaker 1 It's called in every farbrengen, you go by the back, starting from Purim Lamed Heh on, you have the whole farbrengen. After that, keta mesichas, it starts from where the politics, I'm starting to call it politics, from the sicha of Shlomo Sochach, okay, it was, uh... And it actually with the Rebbe it helped because, um, like this you could finish farbrengen much faster. You could leave the keta for a month later, you know, when you have time. It stop- didn't stop giving out the farbrengen. Interesting enough that already Chof Daled Teves Lamed Heh, um, sorry, Sorot Teves, the first time the Rebbe spoke Divrei Torah, and, uh, at that time already, the Rebbe was magiya the part about Eretz Yisroel.

1:24:01 Speaker 3 The Rebbe-

1:24:02 Speaker 1 But the Rebbe says not to put it in.

1:24:05 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:24:05 Speaker 1 But we most properly thought that because it's a sicha's coming out Muge, the Rebbe doesn't want the Muge to be sicha. That should be, it should be... We s- I think we typed it up separately as, uh, without the word HaNochach built in Muge.

1:24:18 Speaker 3 The Rebbe spoke about Eretz Yisroel Divrei Torah a bunch of times.

1:24:22 Speaker 1 Every time in, in the mem, it was like s- there was sometimes by the, by the Tanyaisim that the Rebbe avoid, like, because a halicha tog is toch. But every time, you know, it's, it was mamash, uh-

1:24:37 Speaker 3 So it was always like that. It was always separate.

1:24:41 Speaker 1 Yeah. From then on, it started being separate in, uh, HaNochach Satmarim. Uh, when, when the Rebbe would add sometimes in Saviat Kodesh, uh, a piece like they asked a question, uh, didn't understand, and the Rebbe would answer kind, uh, the reason also is because I, I didn't say everything, the Rebbe would add a whole piece. And sometimes the Rebbe would give the instruction that this piece you should put it in, put it out in Yiddish, write up as normal part 'cause it's, it's a major part of the bio. But on the other hand, it happened, for instance, in Motzei Shabbos Ches Vanu Lamed Tes, which was a weekday farbrengen, and, uh, a paragraph was prepared, important paragraph to the understanding of the sicha, prepared based on the Rebbe's answers in Saviat. And that time the Rebbe wrote, "HaR Yesh Neitz, the Kamava Kamava tape!" Several people have a tape. How could you add this piece of sicha here? Uh, there's a tape, and therefore the Rebbe says, "Kol anal, all above, you should add in Ha'ora," written, of course, in Lashon Kodesh, in Ha'oras, "and bekitzur," 'cause it's in Ha'ora.

1:25:56 Speaker 3 I have a question.

1:25:57 Speaker 1 Yes.

1:25:57 Speaker 3 All these answers, you have them or the other people had them?

1:26:02 Speaker 1 I... E-everything written here, uh, I have photocopies, uh.

1:26:07 Speaker 3 So you kept everything from then, basically?

1:26:10 Speaker 1 Uh, what do you mean if-

1:26:12 Speaker 3 Now, the people in HaNochach has got the Rebbe's kisai, the other copies from Maskiras?

1:26:16 Speaker 1 No. They got always the Saviat Kodesh. Here and there, maybe something tiny, um, never even got to us that the Rebbe was magiya.

1:26:33 Speaker 3 So someone has all these, uh, answers to that?

1:26:36 Speaker 1 Yes. Yes, I'm sure. What do you mean? S- Yeah. I have, uh, mostly I have copies, uh, most, uh, not everything. I mean, uh, mind you, there were no copy machines. I don't have to tell you that. Uh, maybe it is. Forget about Maskiras. Uh, we, w-when, when we used to print the sichas ourselves, there was a plate maker. It wasn't metal plates with negatives. It was a machine like a copy machine that had a roll of thermal paper, it's called- But that was not the regular copies with thermal paper. It's the kind of copies that if you open it up after a few years, it's gone all what, what was written on it. That's one issue. But for the printing, this was a plate, a heavier roll, that you would make a picture of the page, and that you would put out on the machine. But since that wasn't metal, it was only able to print a few hundred before it disintegrates, it falls apart. Uh, but that's, too much of the technical things. Um, uh, concerning the Pesach Davos of the Mugdi Kesichas, used to be a style. We copied what was in the olden years. We type up whatever. And the regular lotion used to be that, um, would be that, would be the paragraph would say, "No, it's similar. We hereby give out this in the Sicha. The rebbe said this and this for Brengen." Next paragraph would say that, um, that the Kvedish Shom Shlita, the rebbe added HaOris Imam

1:28:11 Speaker 1 Kemis, Haboim Mishul Hagil, which come on the, on the bottom. Um, in Moshe Tov Shem Lamed Hes, Basukes Teshu, which is the maimum the rebbe dated, we all know the rebbe, rebbe dated Shilhi Tishri. Usually, a maimum of Sukkot, the rebbe would date it, uh, out of Sukkot. At that time, the rebbe was Shilhi Tishri, and after that was, uh, nevach, um, uh, what occurred on Simchas Torah, the heart attack. Um, but in that Sicha, the rebbe took-

1:28:41 Speaker 3 The rebbe would give all the dates for all the Pesach Davos.

1:28:43 Speaker 1 You tried to get the date, which here is, in order to give the date, you gave him the Pesach Davo when you gave him the gelus for the second time. But at a later stage, uh, when it was only one ago, you had to remember always to give him the Pesach Davo when you're giving him the first time. And therefore, uh, you know, much later Sichas, not from, uh, not from my time, and also not from Lahak, uh, from Hanos HaTmim, from the later years, uh, some of them I could imagine that, uh, I'm just guessing, that the date is not even the rebbe's, 'cause, uh, they never managed to give in.

1:29:27 Speaker 3 In the, the Her magazine, we, we have the dates in the Pesach Davo, in the editorial, so we, we always use, uh, a date that the rebbe gave.

1:29:38 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

1:29:38 Speaker 3 Chamsha sends me a date every month before we go to print.

1:29:41 Speaker 1 Ooh-wah.

1:29:41 Speaker 3 That's how, that's how we do it.

1:29:43 Speaker 1 That's very nice. I'm happy to hear that. Anyhow, Mazvi, the rebbe took out that time the whole paragraph, took it out. Uh, even though the rebbe did put Horas Mamom Kemis, whatever reason he didn't want to write, and from then they stopped. But we stopped at only Kontreisim, but when suddenly the rebbe was Maggia Maim Realam Mishpot Malach Hes, unusual. So this is already not what they send in the Kontreisim. So we must have taken, looked at another Pesach Davo, and that thing stayed again. Uh, back then, for instance, by Purim Kotan, we realized that. We took it out, but then later, uh, here and there, because not always the, the pressure of work was that sometimes we didn't remember what happened. Uh, when the work's so pressured that when you're doing next thing, you forgot what happened yesterday because you're constantly working. This is the way it was. Um, uh, at, at a time later, I saw Pesach Davo already much later, uh, Mugedeke Sicha Tov Shemam Zion, that the rebbe corrected that paragraph. It said again, the rebbe was Maggia the Sicha, and Kvedish Shom Shlita Horam Mam Kemis, the rebbe fixed as, as follows. He said, "Okvedish Shom Shlita," he took out his name, and he wrote, "Liteeles Hakeira Velemet," for the benefit of the reader and learner, the Mam Kemis come on the bottom. See, nothing to do to him. Um, several things about, uh, the Maimorum. I'm talking about before the project of the Maimorum. For instance, the Maimor Bos

1:31:20 Speaker 1 Legane Lamed Zion, um, was prepared according to the rebbe's instruction. The rebbe said the Maimor Shabbos and Motza, and the Motza Shabbos. And the rebbe gave instruction that the Maimor inside should be the one that was said more, uh, with Pirsum. Everyone was able to see and hear, to hear. And the Shabbos, the one, the things he said, "Shabbos should be put on the bottom." And, uh, Tzvi Greenblatt prepared it like this. It wasn't easy. We had to type up Nim, bottom, and then the Mam Kemis on the bottom, calculate everything, where this number goes for here. Like we have Ma- Mam Kemis now Shechanch for the Pnim, for the Maimor Bos, uh, keep track. And we didn't think the rebbe was going to be Maggia that Maimor. It was typed up regular in the small format, which was, uh, the Maimorum were always like, uh, uh, it's called a legal, which is eight and a half by fourteen, bent in half, with a small size of, um, the books of the Maimorum. And, uh, we were going to print it. It was going to be printed next day. I'm sad to say, on my own, I had enough, um, chutzpah. I ran. We had no copy machine, as I told you. I ran upstairs in the Kalel, in the back seven seventy. I made a copy of those little pages, and without asking anybody's permission, I gave it to Rabbi Groner to give it to the rebbe. Some kind of, we're going to print

1:32:45 Speaker 1 it. And lucky enough, next morning, the Maimor came out, and it was Mugedek. So it was Zecher to another Mugedek Maimor. Not only that, the rebbe gave out that Maimor to the Schluchim that were going Chavzain Shvat. The Schluchim, uh, Lamed Zayin to Twaz, this was the second group of Schluchim, I think. It was Lamed Vav, Lamed Zayin, Purim Kot, Lamed Hes. I don't remember. Um, uh, Motza Simchas, uh, Motza Simchas Torah Lamed Hes, rebbe, all those weeks the rebbe spoke from the room. So Motza Simchas Torah there was- A very obvious maamer, Simchas Torah. Motzei Shabbos Breishis, there was no specific part of the sicha that the way it looks to, uh, my eyes, that was a maamer. But, uh, Rebbe Gronna gave over in the name of the Rebbe that he sh- the Rebbe should make a maamer. And the maamer is supposed to be based on a of the Tzemach Tzedek, um, Parsha B, And that's what Rebbe did, and the Rebbe was .

1:33:54 Speaker 4 In those years, most of the maamerim were Ken Sicha?

1:33:57 Speaker 1 I mean, the Rebbe spoke just one thing, one long thing. There was no-

1:34:00 Speaker 4 Yeah.

1:34:01 Speaker 1 Maamer Ken Sicha, it's a different whole story. Maamer Ken Sicha was, uh... What's interesting that when the Rebbe started farbrengen finally, um, downstairs, he started again saying Ma'amarim, Lamed Ches, I think Lamed Ches, Lamed Tes. Even though before that it was used to be Maamer Ken Sicha 'cause the Rebbe was proving that he's healthy. Um, even Likud Sichas they, they weren't going to give in for Breishis Lamed Ches where the Rebbe said they should give in. They thought that's it. It's gonna be another break now after two years, like times before every two years was, was a break. Interesting top-

1:34:43 Speaker 4 That's your, uh, that's your, uh-

1:34:46 Speaker 1 Mangufil?

1:34:47 Speaker 4 Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

1:34:48 Speaker 1 Uh, ev-everyone knew that, uh, that's it. Sichas are not-

1:34:51 Speaker 4 No, I'm saying about the Maamarim. Why did Rebbe switch?

1:34:55 Speaker 1 It's, uh, it's very interesting because later on the Rebbe went back to Maamer Ken Sicha.

1:35:00 Speaker 4 Sicha.

1:35:01 Speaker 1 Uh, no, this is, uh, for, for people to say . It's not my line. Interesting, Motzei Lamed Ches, which the Rebbe spoke about Shlomo Sorotz. At that night, uh, early in the morning for maskiras they called Berke Wolf. In, uh, Seoul he was the, the spokesman to the newspapers. And, uh, he was asked by the Rebbe's instruction to wait till he publicizes what the Rebbe says, because the Rebbe is going to add another part. The Rebbe wrote a whole bunch of . But, uh, most probably Rebbe Yehuda Khan never got a hold of it. It's not the only thing that, uh, for some reason they didn't think they have to give it over to him. And, uh, it's not included, otherwise it would have been included in the Sicha too. Maybe they found it much later. Uh, uh, it was printed in the, in the magazine.

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1:37:28 Speaker 1 So after that, we know the Rebbe's Breishis, Noach, Lech Lecha, Chay Sarah. After that came, uh, the maamer, the long maamer, uh, one of the longest ma'amarim. Rebbe said it like a sicha. It could be a little longer ma'amarim in speaking. I don't think so. And but till the maamer was ready by Reb Yael was already s- kind of meketz. The Rebbe was already in a diff-- In my opinion, the Rebbe already started with publishing Tanyas. That's, that's when the Mugdike Sicha stopped. But then here and there was a lot of sichas. Uh, the whole period of time when Reb Yael made the Kontrasim, uh, the, the fellow went back to learn. Uh, he would be here and there to help out. I would sit and type for Reb Yael, uh, so on and so forth, and then later after the whole thing stopped, he came back and then started again. Built a Mug- from time to time the Rebbe was making. Now Sorotz Teves of course, I think the Rebbe, Rebbe Gronna told that the Rebbe said we should give it in. It was first at night, was night from the room. It was a maamer and a sicha together. Reb Yael made it, and it was not a sicha, but Reb Yael was planning to make a teichen. He didn't think the Rebbe wants to make the whole sicha. And suddenly the Rebbe started with . It's all I think you could see it online here. The Rebbe said, "Chaser this, chaser this."

1:38:44 Speaker 1 Rebbe says, "Chana, you just spoke yesterday. It's, it's missing." Till Reb Yael or the Rebbe, uh, in, uh, now in center wants the whole thing, and it was a sicha already built, has a structure, and you have to start adding seifim, seifim, everything. And then, uh ... But, uh, in that sicha actually, I said before the Rebbe took out the part of Shlomo Sorotz. Um, a very interesting, uh, thing which we always know, it's not-- I have, uh, one dokumit that something the Rebbe said by the farbrengen is . Once you said it, it's holy. The Rebbe said to us when farbrengen one of the Hasidim with the, with the Rebbe, one of the Rebbeim. But you could see here, for instance, i-in the Rebbe had written in a sicha, he put a ha'ara in Purim Katan Lamed Ches that, uh, it says, That's what the Rebbe said in the sicha. And in the posuk it says Ha'adam. And then in the maamer Ayin Ches, the Rebbe made a ha'ara that in the maamer Ayin Ches it says, uh, it says, "Ha'om." And maybe it should say Ha'adam or something, and then it's already printed. And the Rebbe settled that some were embarrassed that, uh, that it has to be So the Rebbe wrote a to explain, going around and around why the is the way he wrote, and so on and so forth. once the Rebbe said, wrote, um, talking about the Rebbe being or times the Rebbe asked to give an many times,

1:40:41 Speaker 1 not many, that the Rebbe asked It's completely holy. The Rebbe asked to give an we got the instruction whether by Rabbi Khodakov or and, uh, we gave in, and the Rebbe was not See, now, we'll never understand what. For instance, uh, Rabbi Khodakov gave us over that the Rebbe wants to be I think it was and of Parashat And, uh, it wasn't Reb Yael, Zvi Grinblat. We, uh... I think it was Zvi Grinblat. We gave him those and, uh, they didn't come out. After a while, uh, well, we didn't print it. We're waiting, maybe it'll After a while, I walked over. Obviously, I did the dirty work. I walked over to Rabbi Khodakov, and I asked him, uh, "So he says I should write it on the paper, my request, what I want." So, um, so we typed up a paper that according to the Rebbe we received from Rabbi Khodakov, I guess. The Rebbe said, um, "We should give him ." And, uh, we ask him what to do now. You have to be very careful you write to the Rebbe. We asked the Rebbe, "What should we do now?" The Rebbe's answer was, uh, something like this, Did you already ask him what to do? Did you already finish learning everything came out till now, at least part of it? This is, this is, uh, what it is. Yeah.

1:42:12 Speaker 5 So it came out.

1:42:14 Speaker 1 No, the Rebbe didn't give it out.

1:42:15 Speaker 5 It came out but the mugger.

1:42:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, then that's it. It's like all the times he used to ask a question, uh, That's the way the regular language. Write the Rebbe, this is what the Rebbe explains, The Rebbe would circle around the world and make a comment. He didn't understand. Ask him, He'll explain you. It was a time they stopped even Rebbe and started writing a different language, so not to get, uh... But this is part of, uh, part of the work. Um, a few, um, about talking about, uh, this had nothing to do. This came out the, the jubileum of fifty years of the Rebbe's chasuna. It was-- I was working the sichas, but suddenly Rabbi Groner calls me, and he tells me that the Rebbe said that if someone will prepare and give him in the maimer, he'll be magiya. I was gonna ask, uh, I ran to label all ten. I asked him to write it up. Actually, we found out years later, whenever it was, that the Rebbe had magiya already that a wide printed of all the connected with chasuna. And the Rebbe already had magiya because, because which is a relative, a good close friend of the Rebbe, had asked the Rebbe. Someone asked the Rebbe told that person he could ask himself. He could ask me, and he asked, and the Rebbe practically went on as magiya, not only in the maimer the way it's written there like a sicha, the way the Rebbe spoke, uh, but we didn't know about it. It was already

1:43:58 Speaker 1 a from the Rebbe. Nobody told us. And the Rebbe was magiyit, and, uh, gave it out, uh, that maimer. And actually, in the Pesach Dvorah, it says over there that the maimer is on the maimer of which was a of the Rebbe's chasuna. But the Rebbe fixed in the Pesach Dvorah, and he wrote like this. The Rebbe wrote over there, Like, basically, it's not the Rebbe writing Pesach Dvorah. how do you know what's what not? You are writing. We, the are writing that we think it's not the first time the Rebbe did the same on, on some other maimer like this. Even though in the the way it was magiy at first, it said over there and the other part it said uh, because this was obvious to everyone. But the Rebbe says, "How do you know what it is? This is, this is my maimer." Now, um, I would like to start, uh, about the maimer-

1:45:03 Speaker 5 The project

1:45:04 Speaker 1 ... project about project of the uh-

1:45:09 Speaker 5 So basically, the Rebbe, as I spoke to Chamshaul about this, that over the years, there were various maimerim that were mugia. You know, the whole is basically those maimerim. And then all the rest is the, what you're calling the project of Maimerim from right?

1:45:28 Speaker 1 Sure. Even in, in, in that first volume, I mean, it's very interesting. The Rebbe farbrengen to Zion Tammuz right before s-- before sunset and before Tammuz. The Rebbe said a maimer, and Rebbe Yeiel prepared it, and it was the biggest sellers by the people that Friday night, I'm saying my own, it's more than a Friday night in the back of s-- where the Rebbe farbrengens, they were doing chazara. Rabbi Weinberg was chazaring the sicha. Rabbi Elkana was chazaring the maimer. The people were hooked over there to hear, and they were so hooked over there and standing and watching people chazaring that the Rebbe came out early, came down early to go kabbalat Shabbos. He walked in- And the people took time for people to realize the Rebbe is coming in for Kabbalat Shabbos. And I had a feeling that time that because of that, the Rebbe is gonna give the maamar. Actually, the maamar came out after that.

1:46:17 Speaker 5 What's the-- 'Cause what?

1:46:18 Speaker 1 'Cause the Rebbe had so much honor-

1:46:20 Speaker 5 Seeing chazzan

1:46:20 Speaker 1 ... seeing that people are chazzaring, and kochting, and the sicha, and the maamar, my own, this, uh, kind of a gusha. Uh, the maamar Siman Mishpat, uh, was to my morim, the Rebbe was magiya. The Rebbe wanted it to get everywhere if possible for Tisha B'Av. Um, I was upstairs. I wasn't working those years. Uh, it was Tov Sholom and David. I was there. It was like a dreitin invad, and they were printing, so I took one of those, my morim. And before it was, he had the dirty one that he measures to see if it's folding properly, printing in the proper place. So I had one in my pocket, a dirty maamar with ink, and I was downstairs when the Rebbe came up from Kiddush, and walked, came out from the elevator, and he turned to Reb Gruner, to Rabbi Gruner, and he says, "Is the maamar here already?" I was standing there, so I grabbed out what I had in my pocket. I gave it to Rabbi Gruner to give it to the Rebbe. Later, they gave him a good printed maamar, I'm just saying. And then I went, uh, went to the airport to try to find someone to try to get it somewhere in Canada. They answered me, "It's not so simple." Shavuot is Chabad Medov, the Rebbe was magiya, and it wasn't given in. It was like a hanochah given in, but Rav Yoel prepared it after that happened. Rav Yoel-

1:47:26 Speaker 5 So you're, you're going through maamar from before.

1:47:27 Speaker 1 I'm going through single ones.

1:47:28 Speaker 5 From before.

1:47:29 Speaker 1 But then the point is the whole Medov in those years, only two maamarim, the Rebbe was magiya. I think both Selichot Medov, the Rebbe put a few comments, but it didn't come out as a hanochah. It's not printed as mugedik. The whole of it, Zayin-

1:47:42 Speaker 5 It's interesting that like with the sichas. The sichas, there was like a say that, I mean, obviously, like with the sichas started and stopped, but there's a regular say they have the sichas of being mu- muged, but the maamarim, they don't have any say there, really.

1:47:54 Speaker 1 No, but this was, the say there was only after-

1:47:56 Speaker 5 Okay

1:47:56 Speaker 1 ... could sichas is to give in before to the Rebbe. I'll soon come to this whole idea. Could sichas is-

1:48:01 Speaker 5 Different idea, yeah

1:48:01 Speaker 1 ... you're preparing from years ago-

1:48:03 Speaker 5 Yeah

1:48:03 Speaker 1 ... for this Shabbos. My morim is after the Rebbe spoke. The whole Lamed Zayin, two mugedika-- three mugedika maamarim. I'm talking everything what came out at the time. The whole Lamed Tes, only two maamarim mugedik. One, Atam Etzov Chamayel. The other one, Atam Etzov Shabbos Nitzovim, which was only found, I don't know where. It's none of my business. Was found after Gimmel Tammuz. Um, Tov Shimim, only a few maamarim were mugedik. The whole Mamaluf, only one mugedika maamar. I'm talking everything before the project of the maamarim. The whole Mem Beis, altogether, one maamar came out on a Pesah Dova on Gorinstam. The Rebbe was magiya the hanochah, and only one more maamar in, in, in the project. Now, um, we always tried, this was, uh, try to, after oyskring for Rebbe, to get out from the Rebbe, the Rebbe should magiya something. I wasn't already working in the sicha since, uh, Pesach time. I got married Sivan Mamaluf.

1:49:01 Speaker 5 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

1:49:01 Speaker 1 Since, uh, then around Nisan time-

1:49:04 Speaker 5 The hanochah is a Bachar project

1:49:07 Speaker 1 M- M- Mamaluf. I was still involved in, uh, in things, but I decided since it's coming up, um, uh, Siman Sefer Torah Kloli that's going to be finished by Vesrivka on Isru Chag Shavuot. Mir angefallen that maybe we should take the maamar lovening Sivan Sefer Torah. The Rebbe said by the completion of the Sefer Torah, Erev Shabbos Tes Shvat. And give it in, this was a hanochah of the style of hanochahs. I, I'm not, I don't write maamarim. I worked it over very much, and then Rav Sholom Chortnov fixed the, the... I typed it up and gave it in. A short while later, um, I meet Rabbi Gruner, and Rabbi Gruner says, "Who is asking for the maamar?" And the Rebbe doesn't give out maamarim. Who is requesting it? I never heard of anything like this, you know, when someone has to request. The Rebbe wants, he gives out. What am I doing now? I went to Rav Leminowitz, who passed away.

1:50:02 Speaker 5 Mechaber, the, the... I mean, you didn't realize that it was an interesting thing, that you, on your own, gave it a maamar?

1:50:08 Speaker 1 Yeah. The Rebbe has a choice to give out whatever he wants, but-

1:50:10 Speaker 5 It never happened, because, I mean, usually there's a guf that, that gives it, you know?

1:50:13 Speaker 1 That, that, that wasn't, I don't believe that was the issue. But why is the Rebbe suddenly giving out a maamar?

1:50:19 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

1:50:20 Speaker 1 So I went, but I couldn't tell Rav Leminowitz what exactly is going on here. This is all things that, uh, today you could share it. They share everything today. And I asked him, I told him kind of something, ums, remorse. What I asked from him was, "I need an empty stationery of Vesrivka with your signature on the bottom. I need to type up a letter there." He looked at me like, uh, suspicious. What am I trying to, like, something. He looked at me like... I knew him from before. I knew him well. Uh, but I kind of half words, and he gave me. I typed up a tzettel in his name that he's asking the Rebbe the maamar, gave the maamar to the Rebbe. And my luck, my mazel, the Rebbe was magiya the maamar, okay? We're preparing the maamar for second Hagbah. Obviously, you write a Pesah Dova. In Pesah Dova it says bekesher. You ever saw the Pesah Dova?

1:51:11 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:51:12 Speaker 1 Bkesher Machnas Sefer Torah, whatever, for Vesrivka, on and on and on. The Rebbe gave out the maamar. The Rebbe takes and cuts off the whole, um, Pesah Dova, most of it, and s- he writes simple as that, "Bkesher Chag Shavuot Sabalin LeTeivah," on whatever the rest of the Pesah Dova. Now, uh, what I do? I said, "Rabbi Gruner, I said, "Rabbi Gruner, what I do?" I told, uh, Rabbi Minkowitz something. And I said, "We decided we're gonna tell Rabbi Minkowitz you get the whole Hagdasha for all the kontrasim. He's gonna be the Hagdasha for the Siman Sefer Torah." And that was good enough. After that, I said to myself, "Look, if, if Shavuot is a Yom Tov for a maamar, why not Yud Beis Tammuz?" I had the maamar. I mean, I kept copies of things that, uh, Violkan would give in other years or which never came out, which, uh, I kept copies. Uh, I had the maamar, Nasat L'recha, which was prepared on the request of the Rebbe from the three maamarim.

1:52:08 Speaker 5 Tov Sholom Medov.

1:52:09 Speaker 1 Tov Sholom Medov, uh, the three maamarim of Shabbos Chukas, Nasat L'recha, Shabbos Chukas, Yud Beis, Yud Gimmel Tammuz, Ziv Tammuz, which was prepared by Rabbi Oltein. And I took it as it is. The Maran Chemes was so bad that, uh, at the time the Rebbe mentioned he was basing it on a maimer. We guessed, in the Maran Chemes, Rabbi Olten guessed it was Tovrei Shpeim because in the Maftirach of the Rebbe's Maamorim, it says that the Rebbe Rashab wrote a maimer, uh, at that Pasik, the capital of the Rebbe Rashab when he passed away. But we weren't sure. But I just gave it in as is, and, uh, I went away at that time in the Catskills. I came back, and the Rebbe gave out the maimer, Mugadic, of course. On top he wrote the, the Maran Chemes, "Vachasel v'hem," like exclamation mark. Like, of course, I, I added all the Maran Chemes from missing. I updated everything. Everything was already many, many years flown. This is, this is, uh, ten years later. After that, I decided, you know, if the Beis Tamos Hayom Tov could Chayel also, and then the rest is history. Rosh Shana, uh, and all those kuntres from it came to Rosh Shana, uh, because incorrectly in the Sefer HaMamorim, Bas Silegan, Nechelek Alef, you have the maimer of Nosat-- of, of Chai-- of, of Rosh Shana, the two maimerim of Adi Neilem and, and Yom Shana Rosh Shana Adi Neilem, and the maimer of Sukkos, and the maimer of Shemitzel

1:53:32 Speaker 1 Simchas Teira, all not with the name Kuntres. The Rebbe was shown, I gave in to the Rebbe, I have it, a Shar blat, a big Shar blat, printed Kuntres Rosh Shana Tov Shemam Zayin. The Rebbe approved it, and actually was printed then, but by the printing machine of Anachos V'lahak, with the name Kuntres. The same thing was the Sukkos was printed named Kuntres, and the same Tish Shemitzel Simchas Teira. But when the Vaad reprinted it, because they needed to have the holy acius, not the, not the old, the Frank Hill of the regular machines, so they changed the name the way they liked. Actually, by the time they printed the Melukat Chelek Beis, they already knew that this is what the Rebbe wanted, they saw the Rebbe's continued kuntresim. And I think, and I instruct them lately to one of those people, that they should put in all those maimerim also that are safer. It's not normal to start from Yitzkislov. It doesn't make sense. I don't know, maybe there's some of you printed, even though the-- it's irrelevant because we have the Teires Menachem. Um, and then the rest is history. The Rebbe started being Maggia. Uh, of course, the work was, this was an addition to other work. I also worked for a living. It was day and night sitting with, uh, with Rebbe Yael, uh, mostly at night. Uh, something later, I think in the late Tov Shemam Ches, um, Chaim Shaul also helped me out, but I think most of those

1:55:02 Speaker 1 maimerim, most of them I typed. I did the simple Maran Chemes, um-

1:55:08 Speaker 5 To be able to do it in Rebbe Yael.

1:55:09 Speaker 1 To be able to write. And wherever he had a place, uh, where was he going to see it? Sometimes in his office. Sometimes he came, practically came to my house. He came to my house, uh, sat the whole night. Not to be home. I was up with him just to keep him company. And the few little pieces of silver we had in our shafes, most probably didn't have doors with glass. In the morning, everything was, had to be shined again from anew. My kids had no clue. In the morning, they would ask, "Who is this old man with a white beard sitting here all night?" Uh, but this is what it was, uh-

1:55:43 Speaker 5 They need to be shiny, you're saying, from the, from the smoke.

1:55:45 Speaker 1 From the smoke of the cigarettes. The whole house was... Today, it's, it's unacceptable, but Rebbe Yael needed two things to, to write a maimer Hasidica. He would need cigarettes and something to eat, which always meant sardines. Today, they don't even sell it in stores. I guess it's not so healthy. It's interesting.

1:56:04 Speaker 5 It's actually very healthy.

1:56:05 Speaker 1 You should take it. I talk about cigarettes that, um-

1:56:08 Speaker 5 The sardines

1:56:08 Speaker 1 ... after Chavzain Order, he asked if he wants to buy him a pack of cigarettes. I said, "No. No, I'm not buying you anymore." Till now, I had no choice. I had to provide the cigarettes, but now I'm not buying you anymore cigarettes. Uh, at this, um, so, and like this, uh, we worked all the time, put in a, a lot of time. Um, it's, it's something interesting. This was the maimer of Chof Ches, you know, Vayomar Machasa Tov Shelam and Zayin. It came out Tov Shemam Zayin. Um, this is also in Melukat Chelek Alef alongside the kuntresim. As it said over there, on each one, on the Peser Dovo, on top was typed Kuntres Chof Ches, and Kuntres Sukkos, Kuntres Shemitzeres. Um, and that one, on the Peser Dovo, with the gelis, the long papers that used to Rebbe's given to Maggid, those time was, uh, eleven by seventeen, folded in half. Uh, the Rebbe wrote there, "Ein az man gromal agia maimer eida pam v'eida pam v'ein lod over safe." There is no time to Vayomar Gid a Maimer again and again, and there's no end to it. And then there was another piece written there, uh, about something specific. And the Rebbe wrote that it seems that their opinion is that they have to explain in the HaOres of this Maimer every place in Chumash. It says y-y-- the word Yedir, and the shit of Rashi, and the Diyukim, and everything could be explained. And then the Rebbe said also there's a

1:57:40 Speaker 1 micht of Klali from a year, question mark. In that letter, in the HaOres, is explained about the shit, uh... At the time, I, I remember, uh, Rebbe Yael did not exactly know if it was referring to the Maimer, even though there is Vayadaito in that Maimer. Uh, could be there was something else that the Rebbe used, uh, this Peser Dovo to write. I never went to verify to find out. Uh, I wouldn't be able to either. They wouldn't tell me. Um, from Tov Shemam Ches, I said Chaim Shaul helped out a lot. We ended up one time, he said of some place, I'm not going, but I don't remember. I remember the basement on Crown, close to, uh, New York Avenue. We sat there for quite a while. And sometimes in the mind also is, uh, Yitzchak Uminer. Yitzchak Uminer, he was a fast typist, a very young bocher, would help me out here and there sometimes, uh, a few times to type. Um, now, um, now, at the same time, uh, when I worked in the Anochez, um, I also, besides making I also typed the transcripts word for word. I believe the first time was sometimes Tammuz Lamed He, but mostly I started it from beginning of Lamed Vav. Everything till, um, till the last day, ninety-nine percent. A few of them were typed by my good friend Levi Garelik. He also know how to type-

1:59:17 Speaker 5 Transcripts of what?

1:59:18 Speaker 1 Word for word for the Rebbe's farbrengen in order to make the Anochez.

1:59:21 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

1:59:21 Speaker 1 The point is that after the Anochez was made, at least by Anochez HaPimim and Anochez L'Chak from Mem Alef, middle of Mem Alef till the end. When you finish the Anochez, you have the Anochez next to you, you, you rewrite, edit it properly. When you're finished, you don't keep the transcript. Nobody thought it's gonna come a time that people are gonna l- wanna learn Yiddish, sit to a tape, a video, and, and follow a transcript. Therefore, most of the sichas that I typed, I typed two copies with a carbon paper, and everything went, uh, to the so-called shames. Altogether, I saved from those years, like, two thousand pages. I happen to have a box, which means that everything after Chof Zayin order, I started typing from Tov Shin Yud Alef. But by Tov Shin Lamed Vav, I should have had everything, but since I don't have anything, so I have to continue all the years further. Also, some people need it today digitally. But, uh-

2:00:19 Speaker 5 There's tapes of all this?

2:00:21 Speaker 1 Yes. But you have to redo, and I sit and type. I remember that farbrengen 'cause I typed it then. And when you think about the amount of farbrengens in the mems, it's either Mem Alef, Mem, Mem Alef, Mem Bet. So I have everything finished till Lamed Ches Vaad BeChlal. Uh, but the other ones, I have tons of them finished, but there's still so much work. When you think how much work there's still to retype-

2:00:45 Speaker 5 So you go-- You, you've been going through all the sichas and typing?

2:00:47 Speaker 1 I've been. I, I, I... Now, I, I didn't do it anymore by order, just for, uh, interesting-

2:00:53 Speaker 5 Why are you doing it? For-

2:00:55 Speaker 1 First of all, the Rebbe's sichas have to be typed word for word. I'm doing all the sichas for Lahak today. Um, also by doing it, because I think one day people would like to have the transcript to be able to, uh-

2:01:10 Speaker 5 That's also like the Sicha Yemis, that's all from you also, right?

2:01:12 Speaker 1 Sicha Yemis, I did for him all the years. Uh, Gem, I did all the years. Uh, those are bits and pieces. Um-

2:01:21 Speaker 5 So you're planning on, on c-- doing all the-

2:01:22 Speaker 1 I am, I am continuing non-stop. It's tons of work for the amount of time, and with a form of them, you have to have patience. It's not easy when you see a farbrengen. When a farbrengen is short, you could type it much faster because . You know it's gonna take short, it goes faster. When a farbrengen is fifty pages in double space, uh, twenty-five in single space, or thirty or thirty-five, uh, then this only just writing word for word. From the end of Mem Zayin-

2:01:50 Speaker 5 I tried it once. Uh, I tried it once just for a time, an experiment. It's very difficult.

2:01:56 Speaker 1 Yeah. From the end of Mem Zayin, um, I have to say it was already a computer, but after MS-DOS finished, it went over word. I gave someone to transfer all the sichas. Not all of them were transferred. Quite a bit of them I typed, and they weren't transferred. But most, I have from the end of Mem Zayin quite a bit-

2:02:14 Speaker 5 So when is, when i- when is AI gonna be able to do it?

2:02:16 Speaker 1 I keep on asking people, and I do follow, like, new things, even though it's not my, not my, uh, level of, uh, not my ballpark, but I like to follow, and I always ask people if you could do it from a tape. 'Cause it's interesting. I remember in the early '70s that by the airport, went by the airport, used to be office. Nobody sat there. And you saw a machine, it was called Date Matrix. There must be someone who was typing somewhere else or speaking, I don't know, some are typing, and he was typing the message here in this office. I always said, "I wish, uh, it could be something for the tape." Something else. A lot of them I have on paper, but you can't do it with that program 'cause it's not so clear, and the amount of mistakes it'll make, it's not worth it to retype. I actually, it's not related to this, but since you mentioned this, uh, for instance, all the weekday farbrengens from Yud Alef till Lamed is twelve hundred pages, eight and a half by eleven single space. Just Lamed Vav itself is, like, seven hundred pages. Lamed Ches, which you think the Rebbe spoke so little, like, the Rebbe expressed themselves, says, "My man, read not seven minute. What are we doing there in the office? The light is on the whole night." We didn't know. We didn't pay attention that the Rebbe has a window to us.

2:03:30 Speaker 5 What do you mean?

2:03:30 Speaker 1 But soon we found out the window she was by her sister, by the Rashag.

2:03:33 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

2:03:33 Speaker 1 We never paid attention who is across the roof over there. When I heard from my brother, reported the Rebbetsin, asked him, "What's going on? The man farbreng just ten minutes. Why they sitting there?"

2:03:41 Speaker 5 Wait, you're sitting in the library?

2:03:42 Speaker 1 No, in Anochez HaPimim, in the office with Rebbe-

2:03:43 Speaker 5 You could see seven eighty-eight from the apartment. Okay, yeah.

2:03:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, 'cause officially the Cheder Yichud, Lubavitch office is a shorter garage.

2:03:49 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

2:03:49 Speaker 1 But we didn't pay attention of whose do- whose house this is. I never looked. My brother came, said that the Rebbetsin asked him, and he told the Rebbetsin, "It's my brother. That's irrelevant." But the Rebbe said, "The man read seven minute." Official the Rebbe speaking ten minutes afterwards, yeah. So he explained the Rebbe years preparing our God. When I heard that, you know what I did? I'm sorry to say, next morning I went, we had no shades. I bought a shade. So the window should be closed. That's all I need. The Rebbe should get reported.

2:04:13 Speaker 5 The Rebbe's, the Rebbetsin reporting, yeah.

2:04:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, reporting. Um, so after that, Lamed Tes, Lamed Ches itself is, like, nine hundred pages one year. Lamed Tes, Mishtameh, is, is over a thousand pages. So I, I took a little break, Al Habaseder, and I started working on the Yemei Depagos, which means by now I typed up all the Yemei Depagos of the year, all days that are connected with the Rebbeim, all the farbrengens of days connected to Rebbeim. In addition also Purim, also Asara b'Tevet, also Shiva Asar b'Tammuz, also Lag BaOmer. But basically on the order of the Yemei Depagos, and there's a lot of other farbrengens which I did here and there. Still a lot of work. The Rebbe , Baruch Hashem. I, I, I work as much as I could to do it. Um-

2:05:03 Speaker 5 Okay. So have, uh, you, you have more? Or, say, or, or I have a question. I know you're also involved in the of the Rebbe. What, what was, what was your involvement in that?

2:05:14 Speaker 1 Uh, since I was working in Ha'NOCHAS, at, at a certain point, Tov Shin Lamed Vav, Rabbi Groner asked me to come help him to work on the, on the letter. The saying was that, uh, Rav Nissim Mendel, the Rebbe would dictate to Rav Nissim Mendel, uh, what the letter should be. Actually, years later, when Rav Nissim Mendel, I guess, couldn't hear so good, they even say there should be recordings from him, and obviously, if he would ever get a hold of a recording like this, a letter is like four or five, four pages. If you take a half hour, you can make a nice beautiful . A, a, a, a, um, a, I guess, a Michdav Klal is written for newspaper. And Rav Nissim Mendel would, I, I guess, type up the, the letter at home. He would add the introduction, like, uh, I don't know, whatever it is. And then-

2:06:08 Speaker 5 You, you do the English and the Yiddish?

2:06:11 Speaker 1 Uh, one, one second. No. So I, um-- So Rabbi Groner-- The Rebbe would take the letter that Rav Nissim Mendel prepared, which was untyped on onion skin paper, which means there was an original plus onion skin paper. Uh, but the Rebbe worked on onion skin paper, and then again, the Rebbe's corrections, it depends how sharp the pencil were throughout all the years. Sometimes, uh, some- sometimes you would get, uh, a you were able-

2:06:39 Speaker 5 This is, uh, an original stencil of the Rebbe's Hagos.

2:06:43 Speaker 1 This is, uh, onion skin paper, which are thin paper, so you could type a few copies.

2:06:47 Speaker 5 It's not... This is a stencil. This is onion skin.

2:06:49 Speaker 1 No.

2:06:49 Speaker 5 This is something else.

2:06:49 Speaker 1 Onion skin paper, which mean you put in a regular piece of paper, and then you put a carbon paper. You could still buy it in the store. Maybe they still sell the carbon paper. And then another one or two of these, so you have a copy for the Rebbe made of Nissim Mendel. And the Rebbe always worked on this one kind of not to ruin the original. This is one with a few corrections. Maybe it's not the first Haga. But then you, you used to see sometimes the Hagos. You could even figure out sometimes where the Rebbe wrote the Hagos, whether it was written on a table that was clear for the Rebbe on top of bunch of other, of some, um, a bunch of other things. And, uh, sometimes you see it was written from the way the pencil was. We knew it was written, and the Rebbe's at home, which the, maybe the, the, the tablecloth was silk, and you see all the words are kind of broken according to the way we write on something underneath-

2:07:45 Speaker 5 Right. It's soft

2:07:45 Speaker 1 ... which is, uh, silk, soft. So-

2:07:48 Speaker 5 So you were, you were typing. That was-

2:07:50 Speaker 1 So after the Rebbe was Rabbi Mendel would, would write up the dictation, prepare a letter, the Rebbe would from top to bottom. Uh, you could see here tons of . There was very little space for the Rebbe. And, uh, then Rabbi Groner would type it up, and then you have to make because the Rebbe would write certain things or leave empty. And you could see all along, I have many samples here, I didn't read them, that the Rebbe said, "I already at another time. I have no time to go s- look for it." So basically, uh, the Rebbe would leave things empty. You should put in, uh, the where exactly the posek is. And Rabbi Groner asked me to help him. We went to the Rebbe's library. So-

2:08:34 Speaker 5 Rabbi Groner would write the ?

2:08:36 Speaker 1 He would type up the letter. He would have to fill in the missing .

2:08:39 Speaker 5 So he, he would kept that job always, the, the, the library.

2:08:41 Speaker 1 I guess. He had it before also. And we did that in the library. The library was before it was end of Lamed Vav, where Rabbi Ber Levin started to organize with the library. But also library, you don't have like in a small room, all this . I helped him a little bit. Then I remember, I think it was end of, um, Lamed Vav. I don't know. I saw-- I was happening in downstairs in with the magnet, in the room the Rebbe works out, and I see the Rebbe going home. In my calculation, the Rebbe was going to write, to work on a . I see the Rebbe going home with two volumes of in his hand. I think one of them was which has in the surface the of, uh, uh, of, I guess, . I'm sorry. I'm gonna look a little bit at the notes. In that one, had printed, uh, end of Lamed Heh. And then the Rebbe would come back. The Rebbe took it to make . He took the letter with him, and he took the two . And when the Rebbe would come back next day, you had, um, the letter the Rebbe would make . And for instance, on a certain thing of like , the Rebbe would which was printed many, many years ago. 'Cause in that letter, in the Rebbe took home, which was from old year before the was printed. I think it was whatever it is, or, or different things like this which were-- The

2:10:45 Speaker 1 was, uh, like something that majority of people don't even have it anymore. Like the Rebbe wrote to us once, uh, on a certain wasn't, wasn't yet, uh, a Likut. It wasn't printed yet. And the Rebbe wrote on it, famous expression, "Who has a single, uh, Likut of Likut Sichos?" Uh- So it was suggested that instead of the Rebbe having to, to do this, that we should prepare the simple Maamar Kehis, Psukim, Chazal, the regular things that are read that the Rebbe has in other places, Tzechun, and type it up double space, and give it in to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe will, uh, add whatever Horas he wants, whatever Maamar Kehis he wants. And, uh, that's how, uh, it started. We used to prepare, um, and give it in to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe would add Maamar Kehis. Uh, and then after the second typing, which is that's when we did, we did the Maamar Kehis. Um, concerning, uh, by now everyone knows that, um, in special My Morim, Yom Tev and Chulu, official My Morim-

2:12:06 Speaker 5 You finish it in Michdam Klalim?

2:12:08 Speaker 1 No, no, no.

2:12:08 Speaker 5 No.

2:12:08 Speaker 1 I wanna mention, especially in Michdam Klalim, we knew from here and there that the Rebbe likes in every Michdam Klali should be, um, Shas Bavli, Yerushalmi, Rasha, all the Rabbeim, Zeyar, a certain list of things that had to be there. Also, the My Morim had to be all the, the Rabbeim.

2:12:32 Speaker 5 Where does th- where does this list come from? Just this, uh-

2:12:34 Speaker 1 People knew, Mesdama, that the Rebbe, you could see here and there in other places that people didn't think the Rebbe was Megiah. He had it some place in the Maimon Chadei, the Tov She'in Dalet, Savir. He had it in a certain place, without even saying where, that Tzemach Tzedek wasn't a Maimon, that he has to be.

2:12:53 Speaker 5 Alwa- always the Rebbe wanted this?

2:12:55 Speaker 1 Yes, and, and of course, uh, for a certain year on, also his father had to be Tzechun. Now, when you come to Tzechun, a Posik, a Rasha, a, a Gemara, you could find it. A Yerushalmi, you could also Tzechun the same Bavli the way it's in Yerushalmi. When it comes to the Rabbeim, how many Sefam of the Rabbeim were printed? And with no Maftechas, how do you find something? But we knew the Rebbe wants it. A- at a certain point, uh, the letter was supposed to be given in to the Rebbe night before he goes home to work on it at night. But it was missing, after hard work, it was missing a few Rabbeim, especially the Rabbeim that don't have Maftechas in those years. Uh, the Rab Marash, a few Rabbeim were missing. And, uh, a note was written to the Rebbe that we're still missing these three Rabbeim, and we were working at, uh, at night trying to find. Uh, the Rebbe, besides everything, as we all know, is a gentleman. Uh, by the morning when the Rebbe came, I was, I was ready with a paper with the things missing to give it to Rabbi Glanow, to give it to the Rebbe. But if the Rebbe got it, the Rebbe gave out what he had prepared. And over there, I have a photocopy of it, a, a little paper where the Rebbe wrote the names of all the Rabbeim and checked off which ones he already had. And then the Rebbe himself

2:14:31 Speaker 1 filled in the Rabbeim that were still missing when it was prepared beforehand. Of course, the Rebbe would never try his best never to erase what someone else did, put in those also. Um, and, uh, like this, it, um, it, it used to be typed, and the Rebbe would fix it. We had to retype it till the third time. We typed it up nice, ready for, for the Rebbe to sign. In those years, the negatives, it was printed, it used to be printed, letters to be printed, either it was small, it'd be like this, or later on two pages when there came more Maamar Kehis. And when the Rebbe had to sign the letter, in those years, the negative machines, the real negatives, I don't know why, but it wouldn't be able to pick up a, a blue signature if the Rebbe would sign with his blue pen. So they would give in the Rebbe a, uh, a nice, easy-flowing pen, a black one. This was the Chazak of, uh, of Shalom Jacobson, Oliver Shalom. And together with the letter, Rabbi Granot would give in, the Rebbe would sign. But it happened that the Rebbe signed the original with his signature, but he still fixed a few corrections. What do you do? In the olden years, you see letters here and there printed, and you have a correction by hand. But in those years already, this wasn't acceptable. So we practically, if the Rebbe would fix, uh, a few words in a line, you wouldn't cut

2:16:03 Speaker 1 the Rebbe. Wouldn't wanna get, ruin the Rebbe's original. Someone wanted to keep it. Uh, not me, but someone to keep it. And, um, so we would cut it and type over this one line. And the way to tighten the space, you go half a space back, so you could add a few words. Sometimes you had no choice. From wherever the Rebbe's correction was, you had to finish typing till the end of the letter, retyping, and then put the Rebbe's, uh, last paragraph with the Rebbe's signature.

2:16:31 Speaker 5 It's copy-paste.

2:16:32 Speaker 1 Yeah, in the negative, not, uh, you, you wouldn't ruin with wax the original. In the negative they did that. Um, then at a certain point, and la- after the, the letter was mugged a few times, now Rab Nisim Mindel, at the same time the Rebbe was Magiah, he already was writing the letter in English. He didn't have the Rebbe's corrections. After the Rebbe would give out the first time corrections, which were a lot of corrections-

2:16:57 Speaker 5 'Cause he wasn't there.

2:16:58 Speaker 1 He was in, uh, Long Island, he lived, I think.

2:17:00 Speaker 5 Long Island, yeah.

2:17:00 Speaker 1 So Rabbi Granot would ask me sometimes to go on the telephone, and Rab Nisim Mindel didn't hear good. I would have to scream on top of, scream on top of my lungs, tell him the Rebbe's corrections. And, uh, then the Rebbe made more corrections, more corrections. Therefore, when the, when the English letter came to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe was Maggid, uh, this one time I see on a letter that the Rebbe writes on it, and a certain word is circled around. It wasn't my job. He circled around the word, and he's asking to whoever's working that, whether it's Reb Nissan Mindell or whoever's working. He wants to know if this English word is the proper translation for that Yiddish word. I see it, I see Rebbe Klein, I said, "I, I don't understand. The Rebbe could write whatever he wants." He said, "You wanna know the way the Rebbe works on the letters in English? He sits down with the final printed michtav klali in Yiddish, puts it next to him, puts the English, and he compares them both."

2:17:56 Speaker 5 Hmm.

2:17:56 Speaker 1 That's why. This is what happened later. So right in time of, uh, Reb Yena Aftsen, alav hashalom. The Rebbe's, uh, kind of comment that there's not a proofreader. They should do it all themself. But to, to fix the letter, he doesn't have to look it over, the English letter.

2:18:13 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

2:18:15 Speaker 1 Part of it, uh, then they have to make attached to Marom Kimus, which are the caption from the inside, just with numbers, and then they would also do it in Hebrew-

2:18:23 Speaker 5 So the Rebbe stopped being maggid English or is it not?

2:18:24 Speaker 1 I, I don't know.

2:18:25 Speaker 5 He signed it still.

2:18:26 Speaker 1 He signed it. I don't know how many times he was maggia, but he wanted someone else to do things that the Rebbe, to the Rebbe was simple, a proofreader, which all the years was like this. I still remember the time, talking about Gimel and Daled, they were giving things to the Rebbe that they knew. They didn't even look if there was any mistakes. The Rebbe was doing all the job to fix the mistakes. In, in, in, in the later years, when we didn't have time, we came right away, we started doing already typesetting. While typing it on a computer, you could fix it, so we ran temp by press. But we didn't have time to look it over. The Rebbe is going to the ale. So we would write on the letter that this letter was not proofread yet. We're doing it now. The Rebbe should know. There were times the Rebbe took it, was maggid on the way to the ale. And Rabbi Kinsky already had the time, it was a heavy, big telephone in the car. I'm talking about Zayner, I don't remember when. And he would call me with some corrections, uh, and-

2:19:19 Speaker 5 That the Rebbe did it in the car on the way?

2:19:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, on the way. Um, the, the same thing was, uh, they would, would write to the Rebbe that, uh, it was looked over, that we're going to do it, you know. Um, like this then started with the computers and, uh, and then again, everything was done under pressure. The michtav must come out, uh, at certain point. There was one time that, uh, I even remember what it is. It's interesting. Uh, I think the Rebbe wrote something about Chasal Seder Pesach Hilchose. The issue was whether it says Seder Pesach Hilchose or Sidur Pesach Hilchose. In those years, where we're gonna look for these things? We know it's a Chochma, no computer, no nothing, or run the library. It was, would be impossible.

2:20:03 Speaker 5 The Nusach HaGadah?

2:20:05 Speaker 1 No, we don't say that. There's no word from Friediker Rebbe that the Alter Rebbe did not put in the Hagadah Chasal.

2:20:10 Speaker 5 Right.

2:20:10 Speaker 1 But the Rebbe made a, a certain comment, I think, about that-

2:20:13 Speaker 5 You, you didn't have a Ashkenaz Hagadah.

2:20:15 Speaker 1 I don't know if it's an Ashkenaz. You're telling me you know it's an Ashkenaz, whatever.

2:20:18 Speaker 5 Yeah.

2:20:18 Speaker 1 The way it says, whether it's-

2:20:19 Speaker 5 Nusach, yeah

2:20:19 Speaker 1 ... whether it's Sidur Pesach or Seder Pesach. And the Rebbe left that he wants to put in a, a Marom Kim. The letter, the Rebbe went to the ale that day. The Rebbe was going back home soon, and-

2:20:36 Speaker 5 A Marom Kim for what?

2:20:38 Speaker 1 I'm sorry. About this, uh, way, the way whether it's written Seder Pesach-

2:20:41 Speaker 5 Okay

2:20:42 Speaker 1 ... or Sidur Pesach. I'm sorry, we, we don't even know how to look for this-

2:20:45 Speaker 5 Yeah

2:20:45 Speaker 1 ... I'm sorry to say. Um, and the letter has to be printed by the morning. The Rebbe is going home now, and this is missing. The Rebbe left two circles empty. Not having a choice, I'm sorry to say, I went downstairs in holding the long galus, hoping that Rabbi Groner is gonna come out from the Rebbe's room before the Rebbe comes out, and I'll first give him the letter and tell him to go in back and ask the Rebbe. To my un-mazel, the Rebbe walks out from the room before. I see the Rebbe walking out. I move back. Of course, I wasn't gonna talk to the Rebbe. The Rebbe turns around to me. He asks me, "Vos vilstu?" So I said, "Nothing." So the Rebbe says, "Mr. Krishender, you..." I mean, the Rebbe saw that I came here with something holding in my hands for something. I mean, obviously, by that time, Rabbi Groner must have realized some commotion going on outside in . He pushed himself through the Rebbe, and I walked over. Uh, I didn't talk to the Rebbe. The Rebbe's standing here, Rabbi Groner next to him. I told Rabbi Groner, I said, "Geblivin, uh, a footnote was left empty." And the Rebbe turns around and tells to Rabbi Groner, "I already gave it to you this afternoon." I mean, things were very hectic. He didn't have a chance. There's no rush. He didn't have a chance to give it over to me, but I knew it needs to go to print.

2:22:14 Speaker 1 I didn't know.

2:22:15 Speaker 5 The Rebbe gave to, to Rabbi Groner-

2:22:17 Speaker 1 He told him afternoon-

2:22:18 Speaker 5 ... earlier response

2:22:18 Speaker 1 ... what to write here.

2:22:19 Speaker 5 Yeah.

2:22:19 Speaker 1 I, I think it was about that or something else. Uh-

2:22:22 Speaker 5 I don't understand the whole story 'cause it's, it's, it's a, there's a makar for this besides the Hagadah?

2:22:27 Speaker 1 I don't remember if it's exactly.

2:22:28 Speaker 5 Yeah.

2:22:28 Speaker 1 No. If this, if you write Seder or Sidur Pesach Hilchose.

2:22:33 Speaker 5 So what's a makar for the Nusach HaGadah?

2:22:35 Speaker 1 No. Some of those different Hagadahs that the way they say it-

2:22:38 Speaker 5 Okay

2:22:38 Speaker 1 ... has different nekudos.

2:22:39 Speaker 5 The Rebbe gave a Marom Kim-

2:22:40 Speaker 1 I think it was that

2:22:41 Speaker 5 ... what to write there.

2:22:41 Speaker 1 I'm almost sure it was that.

2:22:42 Speaker 5 Okay.

2:22:43 Speaker 1 It could be, maybe it was already printed. May- I, I could check it up. I mean, it would be bleak full amount of time to put into that. Um, anyhow, so then, but everything was done in pressure. Now, in the Michtavim, always the end of the Michtav Klali, the Rebbe would always add the posek of the kapitel. In the, the, if it'll be two letters, it'll be a letter later came three letters . In the letter closer to Pesach, the Rebbe-

2:23:14 Speaker 5 The Rebbe's kapitel

2:23:15 Speaker 1 This, of course, was not in part of the dictation. Rabbi Mindell couldn't write it. Uh, and the Rebbe would add this and connect it part of the brocha. I remember the bochurim, uh, I don't think those years already started the new idea of a nigun, a new nigun or old nigun for the kapital, but never decided yet which psukim they should, uh, they should, uh, pick for the k- for the nigun. And those wait, I should tell them, uh, what passage did the Rebbe write? Like this again, a day earlier to have time.

2:23:46 Speaker 5 Yes.

2:23:46 Speaker 1 What did the Rebbe write? Which passage did the Rebbe write? Um, anyhow, but still everything is done under major pressure. I mean, I'm sorry. Mind you, I mean, I had a job to work. I, I got married, uh, and all this was done on my, uh, partially on my free time the whole night, and I wish it would be at night, but it ended up a lot of times, uh, uh, for some reasons, ended up being, uh, in the middle of the day when I was already at work, getting a telephone call, "Come back. We need to do this, need to do that." But this is, uh, I had a big zchus. I was zecher to work on those, all those things.

2:24:20 Speaker 5 You did a ?

2:24:21 Speaker 1 Uh, yes. Yes.

2:24:23 Speaker 5 Do you also work on letters that the Rebbe wrote, like for dinners and things?

2:24:28 Speaker 1 Um, Rabbi Nissan Mindell stopped writing, um, . Uh, I think his wife wasn't well or some other reason. Uh, one letter Rabbi Groner prepared, um-

2:24:45 Speaker 5 You told me the .

2:24:46 Speaker 1 Yeah. I think if I'm not mistaking. Um, maybe it was based on a farbrengen. Maybe the Rebbe told him inside the room. Later on, uh, the Va'ad, uh, some Rabbi Groner gave it over to the Va'ad. Sometimes the Rebbe would either, uh, farbrengen. You saw the Rebbe speaking a whole sicha like . You heard by the farbrengen already he's dictating here-

2:25:09 Speaker 5 Mm-hmm

2:25:09 Speaker 1 ... a statement. It was very obvious. You felt it, or they got paper and, uh, and the rest is-

2:25:15 Speaker 5 To-

2:25:16 Speaker 1 And then so , I think at a certain point, Rabbi Nissan Mindell, uh, couldn't do anymore the so-called for the dinners, the out-- all those things. So I also helped out technically. For instance, you had to, um, when the Rebbe writes a letter to to graduation, you have to see which school, when they're graduating, and their names should be spelled properly. Uh, but the regular language of a letter usually is, uh, . I say you have to change it, but different-- 'cause the same letter was sent to many different organizations.

2:25:57 Speaker 5 Uh, so I, I was referring to longer letters that are written for, like a dinner of a mesibah.

2:26:03 Speaker 1 Um, maybe I'll get to it soon. Um, so basically, uh, a letter is based, uh, and you look in the invitation, put in the proper date 'cause the same letter was going to, uh, different schools, different places. Other, uh, uh, chag is has seemed to already happened. One of them is, uh, or whatever it is. And I mean, a lot-- uh, now in answer to your question, a lot of those nusach of the letter is already from different years. And, uh, used to be the Rebbe Sansar, then, uh, Razvan Groma, whatever that time the Rebbe used to kol sa, whether it was, uh, the time the Rebbe kol sa about the, the, the Yom Tov, including three days Chazakah with Shabbos, uh, different things like this. Uh, so I helped out there too. And, uh, but then started with computers. It was already computers, so it looked too nice and the Rebbe didn't wanna ruin it to be magiya. And I, of course, want the Rebbe to be magiyit. So I saw from Rabbi Groner, I learned from him, even though I, I don't write like such a great write like him, but I would write on top of the letter in big words, "Het." Even though we had no stationery yet, and the Rebbe would know, but the Rebbe still was afraid. I saw one time the Rebbe was afraid to fix, just like... So even signed one time without a stationery. So I added on top in big on every letter, "Het Lahagor"

2:27:37 Speaker 1 with two underlines. And, uh, then after the Rebbe was finishing it, we did the correction on the computer. Now we need to print it on a stationery. So Rabbi Klein wanted to give me stationeries of the Rebbe. I refused to take. I don't want to keep stationeries of the Rebbe. I asked him to have only three, 'cause if the stationery gets stuck when you put it in the machine to print, it's not regular paper. It was, uh, paper with, uh, waterc- watermarks, the famous fancy paper. So I only kept by me two or three pieces, and then I would give it to, to print. Now, how would I know if there's, uh, uh, uh, event coming? So I worked, and I would come usually Shabbos, uh, before the farbrengen. I would see, uh, Rabbi Groner, and, um, I would hear from him, uh, what are the different things. Is there, uh, a dinner or some event which I didn't keep up with? Uh, I couldn't keep up with the things that's going on. It was one time I came Shabbos, it was in the winter, and Rabbi Groner tells me that tomorrow, Sunday, there was a Hanukkah , Lubavitch Yeshiva. I don't... I think it was . I don't remember. This building on Crown Street, and there has to be a letter. I didn't know what to do. I said, "I'll try my best." This is, uh, the first time a letter of, of, of Lubavitch Yeshiva of this style. We have from other years.

2:29:07 Speaker 1 And I didn't promise anything. Um, I came out to Shabbos. I, Baruch Hashem, managed. Uh, I put it on the table that stood outside the Rebbe's door. Berky Unik, my cousin, was sitting there that time. And I put it out, I think it was eleven thirty at night. I didn't know of anything. About two in the morning, uh, my cousin Berky Unik calls me that the letter came out. I come back seven seventy. I see, uh, the letter and there's a little piece of paper upside down and written in it a big "ches" which means "Chashoy" or "Chadakov." Of course, I, uh, I turned it over, I'm sorry to say. I take a look and, uh, I see the, a letter from, uh, from the secretary telling the Rebbe, uh, that... And he didn't tell me that he's preparing a note relying on me. I, I told him, "I don't know if I'm gonna manage." He never told me. He prepared a note to the Rebbe that later, I mean, when he left home, that later on, uh, he told us most probably Ɣunic to attach it to the letter that the letter to asking the Rebbe if he could get back the letter in the same night in order to be able to-- Rebbe should sign it. We have to print it for the dinner. And that paper, I didn't see it. When the letter came out, I see the Rebbe writes "I received it midnight." Must be the Rebbe often have the door

2:30:45 Speaker 1 to take stuff from the tables after 12:00 at night, which is a holy thing. What if the Rebbe worked the whole night? What's the difference? But it's kind of a, a chutzpah that you're giving me, and the same thing was with all the Sichas later in the time of in the Mugdikefer Brengers, unlike Lach, always came in late, and were many times, uh, sometimes the Rebbe clearly didn't magia. As a matter of principle, after chatzes, I mean, what do you mean? I-- You need it tomorrow morning. I have to work for you. And the Rebbe writes, And the Rebbe says, "If someone if someone must have wow, that tomorrow there's a, there's a Was this new? You didn't know before? question mark to exclamation marks. Like, like you didn't know before. I mean, this, this is not to me. I don't mind if you get sharp ends on the Rebbe. It doesn't matter. It's still him. It's, it's a chutz. But this is talking about, uh, about, uh-

2:31:50 Speaker 6 Was the Rebbe ma-- Was the Rebbe m-- signed that letter?

2:31:52 Speaker 1 I'm sorry to say-

2:31:53 Speaker 6 He didn't.

2:31:54 Speaker 1 Of course he did.

2:31:54 Speaker 6 He did?

2:31:55 Speaker 1 Did he have a choice?

2:31:56 Speaker 6 He did.

2:31:56 Speaker 1 I'm sorry. There's a-- I remember one time a, a letter was prepared, uh, also like this. He was giving it to the Rebbe most probably in time, and, uh, the Rebbe gave it out. He signed it. In the morning by Dalels, this was Grossman from Migdale Emek. I forgot his mazes are called El whatever it's called.

2:32:18 Speaker 6 Migdaleh.

2:32:19 Speaker 1 Migdaleh. And he, you know, he passed by by Dalels. He had a dinner I think that day, Sunday somewhere Manhattan. I don't know, a rich dinner. And the Rebbe turns around, asks Rabbi Groner, "Did you give him?" He tells him, "Did you get your letter?" The guy says, "No." The Rebbe turns to Rabbi Groner, and Rabbi Groner says, "I'll give it to him later." The Rebbe, "No," Rebbe says, "Now." Um, hey, uh, we tried our best to-

2:32:46 Speaker 6 He went out-

2:32:47 Speaker 1 To work. Yeah, he went away for a short time by Dalels, and he gave them the letter. We, we tried our best, uh, everyone working very hard, including Rabbi Groner. I mean, this was a, a day and night job. It, it's interesting, uh, the telegrams of the Rebbe, I didn't do them. Actually, for a bunch of years, uh, Simon Jacobson did them. And there again, what they did is like the good olden times with letters. They would take a telegram from a previous year, change the date, and, uh, telegram it says, it's still, uh, it's still whatever it is. And the Rebbe would add the posek. I don't know, I never figured out what happened. The last telegram of the Rebbe, which is Hanukah, Hanukah I don't know why Rabbi Groner called me. It was the middle of the day. I should come and prepare. I didn't wanna ask him why the guy's not doing it, whatever it is. I came back. I was working that time in Williamsburg. I came back, and I prepared based on the Rebbe had spoken that time, uh, a normal typed up without the Rebbe having the posek. We know already from, from, from, from different, uh, mikhtavim. It was a normal telegram. Punkt that telegram the Rebbe was magia added tons of stuff. Actually, I have to say that that's one the, one thing I've missed out, that I feel bad till today that I don't have a copy of it 'cause, uh, Rabbi Groner took it away

2:34:29 Speaker 1 right away. Wanna finish talking about the Rebbe's ktav yad. Um, we had no copy machines. One time the Rebbe was magia shtickel sich, I think for even was maybe Zayin Teves, Rebbe said that the Rebbe was magia, and when we gave him the second ago, there was a lot of the words of the Rebbe written away that you had to figure out only ac- only according to the teichen 'cause it was so hard written off the, the corner of the paper. But it was a few words that time that, or one word we couldn't figure it out. With all the effort, we couldn't, so by the-- We gave him the galis. It was one page. Um, so I suddenly get a telephone call. Uh, Rabbi Klein tells me the Rebbe wants to see his ago, what he wrote. I grabbed fast the original. I barely made an, a, a wet copy, very unclear copy. I wasn't gonna hold back, and I ran and give it to Rabbi Klein. Rabbi Klein called me little later. He went into the Rebbe, and the Rebbe looked, and looked, and looked, and he says, "I myself, uh, couldn't figure out what it says here," but the Rebbe wrote whatever he wanted. Like, he was surprised, and he wanted to see, "What did I write here? Why can't they figure out?" But, uh, this is, um-

2:35:45 Speaker 6 Yeah, that happens sometimes that people, the writing hanochs couldn't decipher what the Rebbe was writing.

2:35:51 Speaker 1 Uh, we mostly figured out. In the later years after Gimel Tammuz, a lot of times things are printed, um, ktav yad, and, uh, the people that are fanech, I'm talking to people that know what they're doing, can't figure out. Uh, I, I, I had a shtickel chush in it. I remember times Rabbi Klein would ask me to help him figure out for himself, uh, what the Rebbe wrote. I don't know how, but I had a shtickel chush, uh, this stuff, like the Honov Ben Adam the chicken, you do kaparos, looks in the siddur. Uh, yes, uh, this, this is what it is.

2:36:29 Speaker 6 Okay.

2:36:30 Speaker 1 Es shakeach. Es shakeach, Rabina Techinco.

2:36:33 Speaker 6 Hanarah Rabbi, thank you very much.