Ep. 28: Bochurim Today Are in a Better Place with Rabbi Chaim Schapiro

00:00 Speaker 1 It's the average, the regular Bachur. At the end of the day, when push comes to shove, the Rebbe is extremely important to him. When going to the Ohel is important to him, going to, to, to, to Mezos HaYom is important to him. The Niyunum that were important to the Rebbe are important to the Bachur, even if he's not the Bachur that's Kochon Sech. And that's the Chiddush.

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02:01 Speaker 1 Baruch Hashem.

02:02 Speaker 2 You're the second, uh, Shapiro that we had on the podcast. The first one was, uh, your father. And, uh, I feel like your father shared a lot of Niyunum, how he grew up, and he came to the Rebbe. I think we, uh, could continue from there. So I know obviously you grew up in Miami. Um, and, um, so I'm, um-- Your father told me then that he was very makpid to come to the Rebbe very often. For example, he spoke about Simchas Torah, how he never missed it. He once missed it, a whole maise that he, that he, that he, that he shared. Were you, uh, were you part of those trips? How did that work?

02:47 Speaker 1 It's very interesting that you ask. So yes, growing up, the Rebbe was obviously very much part of our lives, and my father used to travel. He used to bederech klal go four times a year to the Rebbe. He would go for Sukkos/Simchas Torah, Yutrat. I think one year, Tov Sheb'Mamalif, he went for Yud Tes Kislev because my uncle got engaged then, so he went for Yud Tes Kislev. And then he went for Pesach, Yud Aleph Nissan Pesach. Then he went for Yud Beis Tammuz. Those are the four times a year that bederech klal he went. If there were any other simchas or reasons otherwise, he would also go. The family, as a family, would go twice a year. We went to the Rebbe for Tishrei, and we went to the Rebbe for Pesach. That was bederech klal. Uh, the other times, um, my father used to generally go himself. But you asked if we're part of it, so I'll tell you just a, a small little incident that happened, how that began in my family. So Mem Alef, for some reason, the f- our family did not go for Sukkos to New York. For Sukkos and Simchas Torah, they stayed in Miami. Tov Shin Lamed Ches, Lamed Tes, we were also in Miami. My father flew himself for Simchas Torah. My mother had a baby on Chol Hamoed, and my father split us up, and he went to the Rebbe 'cause he couldn't miss. It was the year after Lamed Ches. Maybe he spoke about

03:54 Speaker 1 that. Um, I guess Tov Shem Mem we were there. I don't remember. Um, Tov Sheb'Mamalif, the family wasn't going, and I was already, you know, old enough to really, really wanna go, so we made my parents crazy. And then my father made a deal with us that starting from now, every time he goes to New York alone, if we're good, obviously, we'll take turns, and every one of us will be able to go. Of course, if you're good, you know, we were kids then, but obviously you have to buy the ticket in advance, so I don't know what he would do if we weren't good. But Baruch Hashem, we were good. It was a very, very good incentive for us to, to behave and do what we're supposed to do. So I was zecher to go Simchas Torah Tov Shem Mem Alef, just for Simchas Torah with my father. Then the next time my father went to Yud Tes Kislev, he took my brother. And that went for a few years. So in addition to the regular times when the family would go to the Rebbe, my father would take one of us, the older boys that we were there then, he would take us to the Rebbe, and it was, it was very, very special. And Simchas Torah Tov Shem Mem Alef is a very special year. The Rebbe had Hakafos for the kids, and I remember it mamish like yesterday. I could talk a r- for a few minutes about that. But, uh,

04:52 Speaker 1 I'm sure everybody knows all those zichronos. In fact-

04:54 Speaker 2 What happened Simchas Torah Mem Alef?

04:57 Speaker 1 So then the Rebbe started Simchas Hashem at the time, and the Rebbe had a Hakafa both nights, Shemini Atzeret and Simchas Torah with the kids. And the Rebbe went to the Hakafa. The following year, the Rebbe also made a Hakafa with the kids, but he didn't go. He said a sicha before, and he said last year it was a big balagan or a tumul or a... I don't know the words the Rebbe used. So he said this time the kids should go with the parents to the Hakafa. But that time, the kids went alone, and the Rebbe danced the Hakafa with the kids. So the Rebbe went an extra Hakafa, three Hakafas the Rebbe went to the chess Shemini Atzeret and Simchas Torah Tov Shem Mem Alef, and it was extremely special. I was a little kid. I was crying bitter tears. The trifas, the pushing was, was, was tremendous. Um, I remember it like yesterday, the nigun they sang, at least one of the Hakafas, they sang Uzo Etza Vesufa, and I could picture the Rebbe standing in middle amongst all the kids. The Rebbe got pushed and stammered from all of Zeiten there. They even say a story. There was a, a boy, he's a little younger than me, from Miami. He fell down, and the Rebbe picked him up. I wasn't there, but that's what they said at the time. Um, and the Rebbe's face was poshet gelicht. I remember it like yesterday. The Rebbe's face was poshet, shining. I'm bachlal a

05:59 Speaker 1 shtikel cynic when you see these descriptions in the magazines of how the Rebbe's face looked. I was by the Rebbe for many, many, many years. But I'm telling you that if you see a description of Simchas Torah, Mem Aleph, the Rebbe's face would geluchten. The Rebbe's face would poshet geluchten. But I have a small little episode, I've said the story many times, that happened at the end of Hakafos. So at the end of Hakafos, my father's place with my uncles, the Zarchis and others were all by the front of 770 by the Boren Kedosh. So I was sitting there with a few kids towards the end of Hakafos by Aleinu, I think it was. And the Rebbe turns around to me, looked like to me, and he points to me like this, that I should come to him. Of course, I ignored the Rebbe. The Rebbe doesn't mean me. I waited, didn't do anything. A few seconds or a few minutes later, the Rebbe turns around again, and he points like this again. Mamish, straight to me. He goes like this. Again, obviously, I ignored the Rebbe. Then the Rebbe turned to Rabbi Groner, alav ha-shalom, and he told him that he wants the kids that are sitting there, we should all go closer to the Rebbe. So we all, we all sat down mamish by the Rebbe's feet. And the Rebbe was in such a tsug Lozner mode or attitude. Tsug Lozner means friendly, I guess, open. And some of the kids took the

07:03 Speaker 1 opportunity. They poshet walked over to the Rebbe, and they gave the Rebbe Shalom Aleichem, which is also betachles in Lubavitch. You give the Shalom to the Rebbe. I mean, there's stories about that. And I knew that as a kid. I don't know why. I guess I've heard enough stories from my father as a kid that you don't give a hand to the Rebbe. But the Rebbe, he was, I still remember sitting on the bottom watching how the Rebbe, with a beautiful smile, puts his hand down to the kids. Whoever stuck their hand out, big Shalom Aleichem to the kids. Go on. And there's no shailah bedava. So keinem ish gishat. This was Simchas Torah. This was a whole, a whole different matter. So I was zecher, Baruch Hashem, to go from that Simchas Torah. And from then, I was by every single Simchas Torah from Taf Shin Mem Aleph. The only time I missed most of Hakafos was Taf Shin Nun Gimel, I think it was, when the Rebbe came out early, Simchas Torah, Nachman Etzelus. We were on talucha, but I did make it for the end, for Aleinu, the end of Hakafos. I came back. Otherwise, I was every Simchas Torah, every year Hakafos by the Rebbe. And it's a tremendous zechus and a tremendous hakaras hatov appreciation that I have for my parents that understood that need to bring us from wherever we were. You have to remember, in those years, it's not like today that everybody lived far away. There were

08:05 Speaker 1 shluchim. Obviously, people lived far away in the big, in the Medinas, like France and Eretz Yisrael. But in the Ari Hasade, I mean, there were, but it wasn't that many. And nevertheless, he brought us to the Rebbe, and we came to the Rebbe. We were Hamish. Everybody knew. I heard later when Shapiro's from Miami came to 770, people knew that we were there. We were Vilcha'yas, a bunch of boys. We used to run around 770 in Beis Techeles. And everyone knew that Yigano, we're here, Baruch Hashem, you know? I remember even once, once we were coming for Pesach, there was a big snowstorm, and we stopped over. They would take tickets that were cheap, so we had two stopovers in Charlotte from Miami. Could you imagine? And it was delayed. A long story short, the taxi pulled up from the airport at 9:30 to Crown Heights. So my father stopped the taxi at 770 with all the peklech from the whole family, took me and my brothers out of the taxi. My mother, he sent back with the taxi alone to go to my grandparents' house to pull the suitcases up and unpack. And we went to Fabregin. We came to Fabregin, 9:30, right before the Rebbe came in. We parked, Yigano. We came yida aluf to Fabregin. I don't remember what year it was. Mem Gimel, Mem Dalet, one of those, maybe Mem Beis, one of those years. So it obviously was very special, and it was just tremendous.

09:14 Speaker 2 And so how old were you when you came to, to New York to, to learn?

09:21 Speaker 1 So I came to New York to learn in El Tof Shem Mem Zayin. So I was, uh, I had just turned 16, uh, 15. I just turned 15 when I came to learn in Simchat Torah.

09:31 Speaker 2 So you missed, uh, you missed Cheit Cheves.

09:34 Speaker 1 I, I missed. I mean, I ca- I flew in. I was learning in Mesifta then in Detroit that year. Mesifta was a class. It was like a high school slash class of eighth or ninth grade, and we all flew in. So we came in not for Mincha, but we came for Ma'arev, and we were there until Yud Aleph Cheves. I think we came back Yud Aleph Cheves. The Sicha, early Yud Beis Cheves, the famous Sicha where the Rebbe spoke, and the Rebbe made then the Laseh D'charav and the three Pchinis every 10 days, and the Rebbe spoke then about the Midrash with Ditan Notzach. So we heard that already back, back in Yeshiva. So we were there from the night of Cheit Cheves. It's this Motzai Cheit Cheves that night. For a whole week, we were there. I remember that the day after, um, Rabbi Gerari, who was our Machishir, Mashpia, so he was there with us, and he wanted us to go back to Detroit the next day. And we were fighting with him. We want to stay. Everybody's here. So he says, uh, he doesn't know what's right. So he met his Mashpia, who he used to talk about a lot, Rebbe Itche Springer, alav ha-shalom. He says, "Fregen bei Itchen." I'll ask Itche Springer. "Vos er zoch." That's what we're gonna do. I remember Itche Springer walked by. We're like, "Okay, we're davening. Who knows what Itche Springer's gonna say? He might take Din Yonom too serious and say you have to

10:34 Speaker 1 go back. It was on the Tan." Anyways, he tells Itchen. He speaks to Rebbe Itche, alav ha-shalom, and he says, "Zol bleibn." That's it. Kipasken. So we were, we were able to stay.

10:44 Speaker 2 When, when was this? This was-

10:45 Speaker 1 This was Vav Cheves. I think-

10:46 Speaker 2 Oh, the next day.

10:47 Speaker 1 Zayin Cheves. Two days later. Actually, it was, it was, it was Zayin Cheves. I remember Vav Cheves, the Rebbe said the Sicha about taking the Pideyonus to the oil, the famous Sicha. So I-- The Sicha was upstairs. No one expected a Sicha. The Rebbe davened Ma'arev upstairs. I was in the hallways, pack jammed. I was in the hallway. But I wasn't there, but I heard this. You could take a listen on the tape. You hear the tape, and then there's a, a pause, and then the Rebbe continues at the end. What happened? The Rebbe finished the Sicha, and then the Rebbe says in Dos Negaya, I think the Lashon is, "Anoshim noshim b'taf." Everyone should send Pideyonus. What happened was the Rebbe started to leave the shul, and he picked up his hand and he said, "Fafeld a mikir." He said to himself, people heard it, "Fafeld a mikir." I missed, meaning I missed the main point. And he went back, and he misfinished the main point at this Negaya to everybody. Anoshim noshim b'taf. They should all, uh, write Pideyonus, whatever. I think the Rebbe even then said, "You can write everything because I'm not even gonna read it. You don't have to be embarrassed anything." And the Rebbe said then that all the Brachos, you know, it's Rotsen, and tremendous stories obviously from that. And the Rebbe even said that you can go to other Kivei Tzadikkim. It's very interesting. He said, "Kivei Tzadikkim are connected, so if you can't get a Pideyon

11:52 Speaker 1 here, go to other Kvarim, and it's all connected. It's all one Es Rotsen, a tremendous thing." And people say, I mean, who knows that even Adar Yoma Zeh, Zayin Cheves is a Es Rotsen. I mean, who can know? But it's certainly a Sofek, and it's a Svek Hederaisve. And hopefully the Eibesht will judge it L'chumra and, and Pasken and, and fulfill all the Brachos.

12:10 Speaker 2 Okay. So that's, uh, coming up soon. Um-

12:14 Speaker 1 Yeah.

12:14 Speaker 2 So you came Elul Mem Zayn.

12:16 Speaker 1 I came Elul Mem Zayn, yeah.

12:17 Speaker 2 So you went to Alter Rebbe.

12:19 Speaker 1 I went to Alter Rebbe Mesivta. In those years, you went into Beis Medrash for four years. It's still people don't even realize why is it called Shadal if you only have three years of zal.

12:27 Speaker 2 Right.

12:27 Speaker 1 People learn two years in the yeshiva, and then they go to Shadal, that's Alter Rebbe, some to Merzton, that used to be Montreal as well. 'Cause it was four years of Beis Medrash. You went to Beis Medrash, not-- you didn't stay a year longer. We started a year earlier. We were much younger, a year younger when we were in Beis Medrash for many, many years. The Mesivta sort of changed that over the years and pushed the bachurim to stay another year in Mesivta. Um, yeah, so I was sixteen when I went into zal. So I was fifteen, I was in Shadal of Mesivta it was called then. Um, Alter Rebbe, yeah, it was Mesivta. It was like a sort of a mini zal. That's what it was called. It was called mini zal. And the-

12:59 Speaker 2 Upstairs.

12:59 Speaker 1 Upstairs, yeah. And it was very special because, um, it ended up being, it was Taf Shin Mem Ches, very special year on a number of-- for a number of reasons. Uh, BeChlal, it was Taf Shin Mem Ches was a special year, and also because of Chaf TeShvat, the whole Shinui of Anheizer throughout that year with the Rebbe being home, et cetera. So I was Zecher to be by the Rebbe, Mamish, uh, that whole year.

13:23 Speaker 2 And, um, so I know your, I know your father was, uh, involved with Hazara and everything like that. So what was your... When it came to the Rebbe Sichas and the Farbrengens, like, how was your-- It was obviously very different times. The Chaf's and the Mem Ches and the... But, like, what was the-- How was your... A young bachur, you were able, you were able to, to understand the Farbrengens, to follow? Like how did that, how did that work?

13:51 Speaker 1 So, yeah, I was able to understand a lot of the Farbrengen, Baruch Hashem, even though I was a young bachur. Um, I wasn't involved in specific Hazara, but I was Chaverim with my Chaverim who were Choizrim. For example, one of the big Choizrim who emerged at around that cuff was my friend, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Jacobson, zal gezunt un stark. Um, I remember this is Tamam where I remember the... So I came to Alter Rebbe, and I think the first Farbrengen that the Rebbe Farbrengen was a Shреи dish El or Chai El that I was there in yeshiva. I don't remember exactly which Farbrengen it was. And what happened was the next day after the Farbrengen, so we stopped for an hour during Seder, and there's gonna be Hazara, and a, a kid, a fifteen-year-old kid, Yosef Jacobson, is gonna Hazer. I was poshet blown away. I was floored. You know, I, I considered myself a smart guy. I should be able to do that. There's no way I was able to do that, and that's where I realized there are people that can actually repeat the Rebbe's Farbrengens, what I knew that my father used to do. So I was friends with these guys. So we used to discuss the Farbrengens afterwards, and everybody, you know, we were mashlim different details of different things that the Rebbe said and Pshat what the Rebbe said. So a lot of, you know, between the Chaverim, a lot of it went into the Anochez, um, or the Pshat

15:00 Speaker 1 is. I even remember a few incidents of, of the Rebbe said something, and I had punkt chapt or I learned something about that sugya. I said, "You know, the Rebbe, it sounded like the Rebbe meant this, but he actually meant something else. He meant the Rashi in Parsha Shemos, not in Parsha Vaera." So I remember he came back to me, he says, "You're right. That's for sure what the Rebbe meant," and that's how it went into the Anochez. So I wasn't officially involved, but, uh, you know, we were all, we were all. This was... I don't even know how to describe it. Shabbos Farbrengen was what we lived for. Kipshuta. If I would meet Pleini Almeini on the street, who if he came to the Rebbe and he would basically push me back a spot 'cause his place was in front of me, oi lo michoraval. What am I gonna do? I might not hear every single word. I still need him in the street. I said, "You were my, you were my chorban when I met you." I say it as a joke, obviously. Um, but yeah, we lived Namash for the Farbrengen, and Mem Ches were Geshmake Farbrengens, a lot of Geshmake Farbrengens in Taf Shin Mem Ches. Um, and Baruch Hashem, you know, we were zecher to be there. The Rebbe Farbrengen almost every Shabbos in Mem Ches, except for two Shabbosim. He didn't Farbrengen Vaychi and Yisro. Yisro was Shabbos before Chaf TeShvat. I think it was the women's convention also.

16:04 Speaker 1 And Vaychi, the Rebbe didn't Farbreng. And punkt Vaychi, I was out of town. My brother had Bar Mitzvah, so I was in Miami. You know, you have this, uh, two-sided feeling when you call up Motzei Shabbos, "Was there a Farbrengen?" Like, you're hoping that the Rebbe Farbreng, right? At the other hand, I hope I didn't miss a Farbrengen. You don't say anything, and you ask the information. And no, there was no Farbrengen. On the one hand, you, you breathe a sigh of relief, which is very selfish, obviously. Can move on. But nevertheless, we were kids. I don't know if I would feel that way as an adult. But, uh, yeah, so we were s-it was tremendous. So we lived Ma'an the Rebbe by the Farbrengens. We Hazed the Farbrengens, and then we would, we would read the, the, the Mogita Kasicha we would learn that came out and that we would try to remember, and then the Anochez that came out. I mean, this was a whole, a whole different world. You have to remember, you had to catch up with the Lichud that came out every single week, a fresh Lichud, the Mogita Kasicha that came out, Sichas during the week that came out, and then at that time, there were Maimonim coming out, Mismanus Man.

16:57 Speaker 2 Maimonim.

16:58 Speaker 1 And you couldn't fall behind. The Mogita Maimonim, yeah, the m-the, the Contracim that came out, yeah.

17:05 Speaker 2 Um, so and then the Rebbe Farbrengen every Shabbos from-

17:11 Speaker 1 From after-

17:12 Speaker 2 From Chaf TeShvat.

17:12 Speaker 1 From after the Shloishim, no. That for three weeks, the Rebbe didn't Farbreng. 'Cause when I say every Shabbos, I meant except for the Shloishim when the Rebbe was home, um, the Rebbe didn't Farbreng. And then Shabbos Mevorchim, the Rebbe came. Sh-Shabbos Mevorchim during the shiva, the Rebbe Farbrenged. The following Shabbos Mevorchim, the Rebbe Farbreng. He said then he's gonna Farbreng every Shabbos. And from then, he Farbrenged every Shabbos.

17:31 Speaker 2 Till Taf Shin Mem Bes.

17:32 Speaker 1 From then till, till Vayakil Taf Shin Mem Bes, till the last Farbrengen, yeah.

17:36 Speaker 2 And you were there the whole time? You didn't, you didn't leave?

17:38 Speaker 1 Oh, except for the summers. No, I would-

17:39 Speaker 2 Besides summers.

17:40 Speaker 1 I would leave for the summers, and I would go home for Pesach. We went home once a year. To me, it's still Yiddish when bachurim come to me, they wanna go home 'cause they weren't home for four months. I'm like, I mean, say that it's Taf Shin Pe Vav. But in my days, we literally went home once a year, Pesach, and that's it. And not everyone went home Pesach, but most of us went home Pesach. The Suble. So my parents, they came in for Simchas to New York.

18:01 Speaker 2 Right. Um, so Chaf TeShvat, um, I mean, everyone describes the events of Chaf TeShvat and how there's so many Shinuyim and changes. And, and the Rebbe even said in Tashan Ubeiz that it's-- it was a new tekufah. The Rebbe said that. Maybe you can explain that a little bit. Like, you know, the, the events of that-

18:26 Speaker 1 What, what was the-

18:27 Speaker 2 The events and also the, the Shinuyim, like, like what, what, like the changes that happened a-after the Rebbe's son was in Stalag.

18:33 Speaker 1 So the first, a few basic changes that happened. The Rebbe stopped farbrengen during the week. That's what he stopped doing. He stopped farbrengen during the week. Only farbrengens on Shabbos. Um, just by the way, talking about farbrengens on Shabbos. So after Lammed Heh, for two years, the Rebbe would farbrengen Motzaei Shabbos instead of Shabbos. That was a tremendous treat to people like my father, who missed farbrengens all the time 'cause he was in Miami on shlichas, and he was able to hear the farbrengens to the extent that as a kid, I had no idea how-- what does the Rebbe sit by a farbrengen Shabbos. 'Cause Yom Tov probably till then my father didn't bring me to the Yom Tov farbrengens. Motza'i Yom Tov. Shabbosim, I wasn't there, so it was only Motzaei Shabbos. I asked my father, I was, "Where does the Rebbe sit? The regular place? I mean, there's no microphone. How does it work? I couldn't, couldn't be metziyim." Um, so the Rebbe stopped farbrengen during the week. The last farbrengen, the Rebbe farbrengen during the week was Chamishi of Shvat, Taf Shin Mem Ches. Yud Tes Kislev, the Rebbe said he's not gonna farbreng. Yud Beis Tammuz, Taf Shin Mem Zayin, the Rebbe said he's not gonna farbreng. He actually didn't say he's not gonna farbreng. The Rebbe said the farbrengen is gonna be Shabbos. The poel, I was in camp then, and, uh, we heard, uh, suddenly the Rebbe's gonna farbreng. The pasht was the reason why, and I'm saying own

19:42 Speaker 1 pashut now that why the Rebbe didn't want that farbrengen to be official, because he didn't want it to be on the, the cable television, 'cause the Rebbe spoke then very, very sharfeis about the Crown Heights machloket that was going on. That's I think one of the first times the Rebbe spoke clearly was, uh, Yud Beis Tammuz, then Taf Shin Mem Zayin.

19:58 Speaker 2 Okay.

19:58 Speaker 1 Then Vov Tishrei was a farbrengen official-

20:00 Speaker 2 It was one of the first times the Rebbe, the Rebbe did speak about it in Mem Vov, no?

20:07 Speaker 1 I could be wrong, but he spoke clearly then about the machloket was Taf Shin Mem Zayin. But the main big farbrengen when you're doing it to give lipstick in Crown Heights and whatever, the different burrows, that was all that summer of Taf Shin Mem Zayin. Um, so that farbrengen the Rebbe spoke sharfeis about machloket. So mestame ulai, that's why the Rebbe said the farbrengen's gonna be Shabbos, and this was not necessarily mamash Yud Beis Tammuz farbrengen. Tes Vov Tammuz, the Rebbe also farbreng then. That's when he said he's gonna give out-- He gave out bottles of mashke to anyone who's gonna make a farbrengen at the end of Chamish-- uh, Tes Vov Tammuz, the Rebbe farbreng. This is Mem Zayin. Um, actually, the Rebbe at the end of the farbrengen said-- he mentioned the gezirah of not drinking more than four. And there the Rebbe said, this is what I remember, "Ki du a gezirah mezal nisht verven chas veshalom hepuch fun nikhte." That's the words the Rebbe used. That the gezirah is not just about drinking four-- drinking only four, but it's not to become shikker. The Rebbe-

20:55 Speaker 2 So the, the existence of someone shikker is already-

20:57 Speaker 1 Shikker is against the Rebbe's gezirah, yeah. Nisht verven chas veshalom hepuch fun nikhte. The opposite of sober. Sobri-sobriety. I think that's the word, right? Anyways, so then Vov Tishrei, the Rebbe farbreng. It was I think on cable. That's when he spoke about hakhel, and the Rebbe spoke of them making the cards and that whole thing. Um, then Tes Yud Kislev, the Rebbe farbreng. That's when he started part of the Shalom on the way out. Agav, maimer hamuzker, I do remember, I think it was Mem Tes, could be Mem Ches, and I'm confused. Shabbos before Gimel Tammuz, the Rebbe farbreng. And then he said at the end of the farbrengen, "Ki du az af a klots kashe khapn men zikh nisht." By the way, klots kashe by the Rebbe is different than what people usually assume as a klots kashe. A klots kashe is usually a stupid question. Klots means holz. A biomekletsky, he dealt in, in lumber. But by the Rebbe, klots kashe was an obvious question.

21:43 Speaker 2 Obvious.

21:44 Speaker 1 An obvious question. No, an obvious question. It's a klots kashe. How come nobody asked? You forget about the elephant in the room, the mashal. So the Rebbe said, "Af a klots kashe khapn men zikh nisht." Shabbos before Gimel Tammuz, and nobody's saying part of the Shalom. And the Rebbe started the niggun. The Rebbe rarely started the niggun. Tes Yud Kislev, he started the niggun, leaving. And this farbrengen, if I remember correctly, he started singing part of the Shalom. Anyways, so came Yud Tes Kislev, the Rebbe said he's not gonna farbreng. He said, "Lo yhiye isvad z'shali, veyoim Yud Tes Kislev, erlachav Kislev," as far as I remember the rumors. So everybody expected there's not gonna be a farbrengen. And ki du-a, l'toiva, he, he could be a shini l'toiva. And then the Rebbe said that he's gonna farbreng. So there was a farbrengen, Yud Tes Kislev, Taf Shin Mem Ches.

22:20 Speaker 2 He's... Okay.

22:21 Speaker 1 The Rebbe farbreng. He said he's not gonna farbreng, and he farbreng. Baruch Hashem. And then Chamishi of Shvat was the last farbrengen. After Chaf BeShvat, there were no more weekly farbrengen. So that was a, a tremendous shinui. Um, the Rebbe really started Sunday dollars much more, as far as I remember, official to speak to the Rebbe. I think it was unofficial, and c-- I could be wrong, that it became like instead of yechidas, it evolved from Taf Shin Mem Vov. But I think it became more official that you're allowed to talk to the Rebbe, started really after Chaf BeShvat. Um, the Rebbe started davening Shacharis with a minyan, with the oilam at ten o'clock. And that was, uh... A-and these were the, the, the official basic shinuyim that you saw in the Rebbe's seder. And the Rebbe started saying a lot of more sichas. There was one year, a year and a half, that there was kimat no sichas. Kimat. I think it was Mem Tes or Taf Shin Nun. There was kimat no sichas, even Yud Tes Kislev, I think. One, one year there was no sicha, if I remember correctly. But if-

23:15 Speaker 2 There are, there are some famous ones. Purim, Purim Mem Tes is, is, uh... Rebbe spoke-

23:20 Speaker 1 I was there. I was-- Purim, there was motza'i Purim Mem Tes. The Rebbe spoke then about the Ashrechel kamagedos chusam. The Rebbe came in, Pashet, the Rebbe's face was shiny. It was kimat no one there. It was empty. Empty. There was a whole machloket between the bochurim if the Rebbe was actually matet the gezirah. If kimu van, I was from those that claimed that the Rebbe wasn't matet the gezirah because, uh, all the Rebbe said was Ashrechel kamagedos chusam fun di vos ken, ken dos mekayem zemir bepoel. From those that can fulfill the bepoel. If you're under forty, y-you don't have that, uh, z-zes chus. Either way, as a side note, nothing to do with, uh, with, uh, with, with the Rebbe, but seven seventy was a fredet, you can imagine was on wheels the whole night in farbrengen until we heard the news that Psach Yekor, Baruch Hashem, had a nefesh shlema then. There was a fire, and, uh, so in seven seventy, two o'clock in the morning, whatever, we got the news that there was this fire, and his mamash is a choilem sukkin. That's it. The air, the oxygen of everybody left, and the whole seven seventy became subdued. The next day, he asked-- the Rebbe gave him a dollar, and then on their way out, after dollars, the Rebbe saw the pinah, olav hashalom. And back in seven s- ashu shime, kumen fan zun, the Rebbe asked him if he got a dollar for his son. But anyways, yeah, there were

24:25 Speaker 1 these famous sichas, but for the most part, that was a whole, uh, major shinui. But the fact that the Rebbe davened Shacharis every single day, this is after the year. Kimu van until Chaf Alef Teis, Taf Shin Mem Tes, the Rebbe was davening for the omit. So that changed for that year, the Rebbe davened for the omit. And, um, that was a tremendous chus that we had. We weren't able to daven with the Rebbe every time because the Rebbe was in the house, and there was a whole system of how you're able to get into the house with a Rebbe shime. We had to learn the system, break the system, and, and get in as many times as you can. And then, but for, uh, Cheshvan, Tishrei and Cheshvan, the Rebbe was in seven seventy. So I don't think I missed a tefillah.

25:02 Speaker 2 Mem Tes.

25:04 Speaker 1 Mem Tes, yeah. Cheshvan, Mem Tes, the Rebbe came to seven seven. We didn't know what's gonna be. The Ohr HaChaim are coming, the Rebbe's home. So Gimel the selichos, the Rebbe came to seven seven, and he stayed until the Shmini Atzeret. The Rebbe went back home. When the women made a Siyum Sefer Torah, the Rebbe came that night down from the other steps, and he gave them dollars, and they said Sicha. And, um, Rosh Chodesh Kislev, Tov Shebetes, and then the Rebbe stayed home again. And then the Rebbe came to Seven Seventy. Tくfest, the Rebbe went back a little bit, but if Chole from then on, the Rebbe was on and off, but usually in Seven Seventy. But for the full year, the Rebbe was home. So we didn't daven with the Rebbe, um, every single tefillah, but a lot. We used to get the chutz from Meron Hola, and we used to able to daven with the Rebbe. It was a, a tremendous, tremendous zechus. I mean, you see-- I see pictures now that pop up in, in the Rebbe's house. It's a small crowd, and your mom is standing around the Rebbe. And, uh, uh, I get the chills every time that I, I see these pictures 'cause it's different than being in Seven Seventy. I still remember the Rebbe davening once for the Amud upstairs in Seven Seventy. In Tov Shebav, the Rebbe davened all the tefillahs. But after Mem Ches, the Rebbe davened or home or downstairs in Seven

26:04 Speaker 1 Seventy.

26:04 Speaker 2 Downstairs.

26:05 Speaker 1 Once, once, the Rebbe used to go to the oil on Tes Vov and on, on Erev Rosh Chodesh. In addition to after Mem Vov, the Rebbe started going Sunday, Tuesday, Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday, and then it became Sunday-- uh, Sunday, Wednesday, sorry. It became Sunday and Wednesday, then, uh, then it pushed off, then it became Monday and Wednesday. But B'nesov, the Rebbe went Tes Vov and Erev Rosh Chodesh. So that year, Erev Rosh Chodesh was Friday. Chav Friday, Mincha, I don't know why they decided that still then the Rebbe would daven upstairs, later it was downstairs. So they set up upstairs, and it was kima, how many people could fit upstairs? I stayed there for hours. I used to go home early, and I came back, and I was there, and the Rebbe davening upstairs was a, was a, was a different type of heregish. Mamish, you felt like in the Rebbe's house, small crowd, the Rebbe davening by the Amud that's there now, uh, next to it on Chodesh, davening Mincha for Amud once, uh, upstairs.

26:53 Speaker 2 I heard that from numerous people that davening upstairs with the Rebbe was like a different experience than, uh-

27:01 Speaker 1 True

27:02 Speaker 2 ... than anything else.

27:03 Speaker 1 It's true. But, uh, in the later years already, from after Mem Ches, the Rebbe never davened upstairs except for Motzai Shabbos Ma'ariv, that's it. The Rebbe stopped davening upstairs. There used to be a goidel, Monday and Thursday at seven o'clock in the morning, who's gonna have the zechus to put down a tfillin for the Rebbe. So I lived then by my uncle, olive hashalom, on Eastern Parkway. So one of the bachur who was involved tells me, "You live on the way to chasidus. Why don't you come to the goidel?" And that was my plan. So that week, I was planning, uh, on Thursday that I'm gonna come now for the goidel. I don't know if I would have won. Very few people were there for the goidel. Anyways, that week, Chav Bishvat happened, so I never had that chance to be able to put a tfillin down. But, um, yeah, upstairs was a different experience, and, um, I was there many times until Chav Bishvat and in the previous years to daven with the Rebbe, yeah. It was once, I'll tell you a stuffy type of story. It was-- You could check on the calendar. Maybe it was Tov Shenun, Erev Rosh Chodesh was Friday, Chanukah. So the Rebbe went to the oil. Um, and they set up upstairs for Mincha. Whenever the Rebbe went to the oil on Friday, even in the later years, Mincha was upstairs. They didn't wanna disturb, I guess, downstairs getting ready for Shabbos, 'cause otherwise, the Rebbe davened three

28:08 Speaker 1 fifteen Mincha even on Friday. So the Rebbe came back, uh, from the oil, and everybody's waiting. It's very, very late, and the Rebbe's gonna come out to Mincha, and then we all have to run home to bench Chanukah licht. So we hear midahav the Rebbe's door opening, the Rebbe latachtin, shh, but the Rebbe's not coming out. So we had a hunch that the Rebbe's actually benching Chanukah licht before Mincha 'cause it's so late. The door closed, the Rebbe latachtin. For another few minutes, we didn't see the Rebbe. But ten, fifteen minutes later, ten minutes later, the Rebbe came out to Mincha, and there are those that claim that they saw some wax on the Rebbe's finger. The Rebbe davened Mincha. It's late. You can imagine it's getting-- It's already probably after licht benching time already. And, uh, so that was the only time that they sang Hanerot Halalu by the Rebbe without repeating any of the stanzas, and very, Hanerot Halalu, and echad echad were mishtamet in middle to go bench licht. I lived in Adat Oteida. Oteida's dormitory then was in Adat Oteida, Eight Twenty-four Eastern Parkers. I lived mamish around the blocks. I was able to stay until the Rebbe left. I ran home, and I, uh, habus payet, I had enough time to bench, to bench Chanukah licht, but I do remember that. They push it, sang Hanerot Halalu. The Rebbe, without any reaction, the Rebbe understood obviously why we're singing it fast. Hanerot Halalu. You know, like, uh, and, uh, by

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31:13 Speaker 2 of The Her through your financial support as well through visiting our website, theher.org, or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. Okay. Um, I'm very interested, um, Halal over the m-mesh of the years you listen to the Yud's and the Chaf's and the Lamed's and the Mem's every, I don't know, decade or whatever, it's a, a whole different signaling in the way the Rebbe speaks by, by Fabrengen. And I think in your years there were like the most changes in the Rebbe style. It's always-- I mean it's always very interesting to me how, how the Elul sp-- I mean though-- I mean, there are certain people that I don't know if they were able to understand, but those, the Bach and they were, they were able to-- they were following the Rebbe Sichas understanding these changes, you know, uh, Mem, Mem, Lamed, Mem, Zayin, and Taf Shin Mem Beis are like a very, very different. I-I'm curious like how, how the Elul took it or how... Like, what, what was theee-- what was the, the, the way or the way it was perceived? Uh, you know, I'm just-- I'm, I'm interested in, in that.

32:30 Speaker 1 I, I don't have Oisios to tell you, obviously, but it became very difficult to remember. In other words, and to follow, 'cause the Rebbe would go from Inyan to Inyan very fast. We have recordings of the Rebbe Sichas from that Kufre. And what amazed me how the Choisim were able to keep track and remember everything amazed me because there were certain Sichas that the Rebbe was Masbir even in those years. There's a number of such Fabrengens. The Rebbe once spoke about the, the Rambam about the Payos in the, in the Beis Hamikdash, how they made the Goydel. The Rebbe spoke, spoke very, very much and explained and elaborated. There was the famous Sichas Minyan, uh, Taanis Esther, the Rebbe asked the Shailah Parashat Zachor Taf Shin Mem Tes. The Rebbe explained himself. Vayakhel Nun Beis. People don't realize Vayakhel Nun Beis was a Fabrengen that literally was fifteen years back, the way the Rebbe spoke. Ex-- If you can't even feel it from the Hanogeh. The Rebbe was speaking, his hands-- I used to stand on the side of the Rebbe. His hands were under the table moving.

33:27 Speaker 2 Where did you stand?

33:27 Speaker 1 The Rebbe was Masbir. Be-behind the Rashak's place over there. That's on the side, that's where I stood. Um, and the Rebbe was, was involved, Mamash. It was loud. The whole seven seventy heard. Not only that, that's the only... Not the only, there was another Fabrengen, but this was one of the only Fabrengens that were sort of interactive. Meaning the Rebbe said a statement which actually taught me something tremendous, that sometimes the Rebbe said something that we didn't understand what he meant. Okay? So sometimes you could think maybe it was like a plate of Saper, right? You could think, and that could happen too. But here, the Rebbe said something, the whole seven seventy was stunned. The Rebbe, they picked up their head like, "Did the Rebbe just say that?" And the Rebbe gave a smile and explained himself. So here, because the Rebbe saw everybody get surprised, so the Rebbe explained himself. He said that none of the Rebbe went out Eretz Yisrael. the Rebbe to Shvere in the Sidreinu. I know I was standing on top on the stage. I watched. People used to sit the Fabrengen like this. Their whole heads went, "Huh?" The whole seven seventy went, "Huh?" Literally loud. "Huh?" And the Rebbe gave a smirk, gave a smile, and he said, "When Dos was the Rebbe, the Shvere is Yagefarn. He's not given Al Safartret Atachlif." He said these words. It was only as a substitute 'cause he couldn't go to the Kvorum in Lubavitch anymore, so that's why he

34:38 Speaker 1 went out Eretz Yisrael to go to Keveri Tzadikim. But really, there was in the Pshat that he went out Eretz Yisrael. So the Rebbe could have said that statement, it would have gone, and they were like, "What did Rebbe just say?" But that was what he meant. Obviously, that's what he meant. Um, but so yeah, it was very, very difficult to understand many of those Sichas. They were published later, and we learned them. And, uh, but they were-- It wasn't-- It wasn't still one way only. Th-th-there was different Sichas and different Kufes and, uh-

35:04 Speaker 2 You're saying-

35:05 Speaker 1 The Rebbe spoke differently.

35:06 Speaker 2 You're saying even in that Kufah-

35:08 Speaker 1 Even in that Kufah, there w-- it wasn't, it wasn't... There's a Sicha the Rebbe spoke, I think it was Mem Taf Shin Nun, Shabbos Chalamo. The Rebbe said two Sichas, Shabbos Chalamo Tsukis. People left after the Rebbe finished the Sicha. They thought it's over. They left. The Rebbe said, "Rashi Sicha." The Rebbe already wasn't speaking the regular Rashi Sichas anymore.

35:25 Speaker 2 Taf Shin Nun?

35:26 Speaker 1 Yeah.

35:27 Speaker 2 I thought the last one was Mem Tes.

35:29 Speaker 1 Cor-- Which Rashi Sicha? Which I-- May-maybe, maybe I'm confusing Mem Tes or Nun.

35:34 Speaker 2 I forgot what Shabbos. It's the last-

35:35 Speaker 1 Okay. Nun Beis the Rebbe spoke on the first Rashi. This wasn't Shabbos, this was Tsukis Chalamo Shabbos.

35:39 Speaker 2 Okay, I see. It's not, it's not-

35:40 Speaker 1 By the Sicha, it wasn't Shabbos by Fabrengen. The Rebbe finished the Sicha. I think the Rebbe started out with a Hartono. After the Nigun, he studies straight Rashi Sicha now. Parshah Brachah. And he-- I couldn't see. I was very close, but one of my friends told me the Rebbe picked up his hands. It was a Pshat, like, in the Sicha, he picked up his hands. So yeah, there was different, there were different Sichas, uh, even, even during that Kufah. Even Klawi Tache, Tache became different. But the Rebbe was much more with the Olam. The Rebbe gave out Kontreisim, and he stood hours with dollars. There was a whole, a whole different Shinui in the Yachas.

36:12 Speaker 2 And also the Sichas during the weekday, especially now from the Beis, it's like, uh, every, every other night.

36:19 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:19 Speaker 2 There's, there's a Sicha. How would that work in, uh, Metsad Yeshiva? You-- Everyone would go to seven seventy when there's a Sicha?

36:25 Speaker 1 So it was complicated. At one point, the Yeshiva said we're not allowed to go. We have to listen to the Sicha in seven seventy.

36:32 Speaker 2 In Olateiha.

36:34 Speaker 1 Yeah. And then the whole, I think, retracted. But for example, the last Sicha, which was Thursday night before Shabbos Parshah Vayakel, the Rebbe spoke then about the Kibbutz Golius, that Sicha L'Moshol. So the alarm went on, so everybody ran. But I didn't wanna miss the Sicha, so I didn't go. I went into Rabbi Prakarsky's office. He-

36:50 Speaker 2 Every Sicha there was an alarm?

36:52 Speaker 1 Yeah. Remember, every-- During, yeah.

36:53 Speaker 2 On Shabbos alarm.

36:54 Speaker 1 Three, three alarms. Three short alarms, yeah. And everyone ran. And we, uh... I went into the office. I listened to the Sicha in the office. I didn't wanna miss the Sicha. 'Cause a lot of times, if it wasn't a long Sicha, by the time you made it from Olateiha, which was then on Troy Avenue, all the way to seven seventy, you missed the Sicha

37:08 Speaker 2 Right.

37:09 Speaker 1 Yeah.

37:10 Speaker 2 Uh, so that, so that, so the, the alarm and the running started, didn't start in Nogimbold. Started, started when the Rebbe was saying the sichas.

37:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.

37:20 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Um, and I, I heard about the Yakel. I don't know, someone told me... I'm not sure where, I don't remember where I heard this, but I heard that the, that the Rebbe after was, um, telling people around him, like, Like the Rebbe, the Rebbe was shining. Like, uh, a-after that, after that sicha.

37:42 Speaker 1 I, I came-

37:42 Speaker 2 After the

37:43 Speaker 1 I came to yeshiva that night, Motzei Shabbos, and one of the Halah members came over to me and said, "Shapiro, you I could tell this to. This was a fabregen, right?" Just like that. "This was a fabregen. It's, it's tremendous. Tremendous."

37:56 Speaker 2 And you could see, you can-- And obviously it's Shabbos, so... But you can see it in the built-in Muge Hanacha, you read it, and you c- you can see that it's like a, it looks like it's, uh, middle of the mems. Like that, that type of, uh-

38:08 Speaker 1 That's how the Rebbe spoke. That was the signet, the way the Rebbe spoke as well.

38:12 Speaker 2 Right. I, I once heard from somebody that's probably your age, that he used to learn, um, he used to learn Sichas Kodesh in his free time in previous years. So they asked him, uh, "Matan Gifrekt, what are you doing?" He says, "What do you mean? Every time I hear the Rebbe speak, the Rebbe says, Yeah. I don't... I wasn't here. I don't know. So I ac- I just have to, I have to, I have to be on the Rebbe's program. I have to catch up and, uh, to, to make sure I understand what's, what the Rebbe's saying. I don't know if that was a common thing that this person did.

38:50 Speaker 1 Listen, I, I always tell the bochurim today, "You know more about the Rebbe than I do." Because to you, it's one miksha achas. Taf Shin Yud, let's say, or Taf Sh- whatever year you're starting until Taf Shin Nun Daled, it's one miksha. There's n- you don't have a preference. I know more of when I, what I lived through than the earlier years, because to me, that was like old. I'm living in the now. So you have to change your mode and look at the Rebbe's years as a miksha achas. I, I, I still haven't s- been successful in that. So the bochurim know a lot more. It's the same thing.

39:25 Speaker 2 I think this is a debate, uh, the different chassidim had when Mashiach comes, what's the Rebbe gonna look like? I think the older chassidim said the Rebbe's gonna look like he looked in the yuds. Whenever it came out, everyone's saying the Rebbe's gonna look like when they were bochurim. So-

39:38 Speaker 1 Uh, those are your years. Like my father, he talks mainly about the chofs. That, that's when he lived. So anyone who was there usually talks about the time that he lived through, usually as a bocher, 'cause as you g- as you get older, you have other dagas and other issues, and the Rebbe is a very important part of your life. But

39:55 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

39:55 Speaker 1 Letzareinu, sometimes there are other things that are on a person's mind. But when you're a bocher, you're mamash pure, and that's one of the inyanim of a bocher. So to me, it's my years. But now, to the bochurim today, which are pure and are living with the Rebbe, it's everything.

40:07 Speaker 2 But on the other hand, there is certain... I mean, there's a lashon from the Rebbe that the Rebbe says, uh, about the Friediker Rebbe,

40:21 Speaker 1 To them. The Rebbe was talking about to them, if I remember correctly.

40:24 Speaker 2 I think it's in years. I think-

40:25 Speaker 1 In years? Could be. Could be.

40:26 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. It's a whole s-- There's a sicha the Rebbe's, Rebbe's explaining something that the Friediker Rebbe said then. So I think at the end of the day, there is, um-

40:35 Speaker 1 A preference, so to speak.

40:36 Speaker 2 I don't know if a preference, but it's, it's the last things we have from the Rebbe-

40:40 Speaker 1 That's coming, but I think that's also coming from a, um, a pel mamish dikin huda. You wanna talk pel mamish? Yeah, you go for, for the last. But if you stumble when it In what was the Rebbe's chalamal gikokhtin to find out, so you wanna know everything, right? I'm not capable of doing that, Bats. I mean, I could, and I know, and I listen, I hear, but to me, it's still gonna be the last years, always.

41:01 Speaker 2 Yeah, 'cause on the other hand, for example, the Rebbe spoke every-- The Rebbe finished off every fabregen mentioning all the messiahim, right? I think in the Alf and the Beis, the Rebbe didn't do that. The, so the... Does that mean that there's no more messiahim?

41:16 Speaker 1 Of course not.

41:16 Speaker 2 No. It, it means you have to learn the sichas from it. And I think there's something that the bochurim have been doing in the last, uh, few decades, that people, the bochurim learn, um, like, uh, whatever the krias is this year. I see, I see. I mean, I, I, I do it-

41:31 Speaker 1 This year it's mem beis

41:32 Speaker 2 ... mem beis. I, I, I do it myself till today.

41:34 Speaker 1 Sure.

41:34 Speaker 2 So it's interesting when you end up doing that, so

41:36 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

41:36 Speaker 2 Mashal mem beis, I've been learning mem beis. The Rebbe speak about a specific tairah. The specific tairah I call them. So it's like all of a sudden you have like a whole koch. And I think bochurim in your yeshiva have made a koch on a specific tairah, right?

41:48 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

41:50 Speaker 2 So-

41:50 Speaker 1 Yeah, they print it and-

41:51 Speaker 2 Right. So it's like you're, you're like, uh, you're... It's like you're living with the Rebbe in a certain kuffe just 'cause you and your chaverim are, are, are, are learning that at the time. So it's interesting. Um, so let me ask you something. I'm gonna mo- I'm gonna move on a little bit to, to something else, even though I don't think we've even scratched the surface with this. But, um, I mean, you are a part of an Halah's yeshiva, and, you know, you, you, you started talking a-already about how bochurim live with the Rebbe and bochurim know more, and m-maybe that even yourself in certain instances. Um, I mean, it's, it's something... It, it, it's a challenge because it's it's for, for better or for worse, you... I mean, obviously you had a choice and there's more to the shabacham, less to the shabacham, but, uh, you're, you're there. It's the atmosphere. You know, ev-everyone's running to, to seven seventy, so everyone goes. You know, this is, this is the way, the way it works. But today, you have to choose to run to seven seventy, you know, uh,

42:52 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

42:53 Speaker 2 Figuratively. So how is that, uh... How does that work? How, how does a bocher do this? How does a yungerman do this? Like, how, how do you get in tuned?

43:03 Speaker 1 The problem with asking me that question is because I'm from a different kuffe. I, I really... I, I used to say, and this might be a little controversial, when we were bochurim, so the mashpia would fabregen a lot of times that- The Yechidus klalis, for example, is just as the same thing as the Yechidus pratis, 'cause the Rebbe said so. I used to say I was cynical. It's true, but I read the same sicha that you did. But why should I be mekabel that from you when you were zoche to be in Yechidus? I wanna hear it from somebody who wasn't by Yechidus, that he actually understands and internalizes and believes that it's tack of the same thing. 'Cause you're just repeating what the Rebbe said. If Davened his Sh'ma, I don't need you for that. So I'm using it the same way back. When I tell a bocher things about the Rebbe, knes hachochma, big deal. You were there. So it's very difficult for someone like me to give eitzas or to tell people, uh, how they should koch zich in dem Rebbe and the Rebbe's in yonim today. Um, but they still ask me, and, uh, I guess they wanna hear, I don't know, but it's very difficult, and I don't know where I would be, you see. Al todir es chaver chach sh'ta'yilim koimi. Al todir es atch chach sh'ta'yilim koimi. In other words, I don't know where I would be if I would've been living in this tkufe. I don't know.

44:12 Speaker 1 I don't have an answer for your question, but I can tell you that there's-- the Rebbe's hashpa'ah is tremendous till today because the bochurim are poshet koching zich in dem Rebbe's in yonim almost or even more than the Rebbe kocht and that the bochurim kocht zich in the Rebbe's in yonim in, in my years, and it's something that I cannot explain. I don't think it's possible to be mechanech somebody to such a thing without the Rebbe's keichas mamash. And when we know that it's mainly the Rebbe's keichas, so we have to just get out of the way a little bit and let the Rebbe work. We have to facilitate, we have to supply the opportunity, give them the ability. But b'pel mamash, what is driving the Rebbe's-- these kids, these bochurim to kocht zich azoy in the Rebbe? It's-- There's no question by me that is the Rebbe's keichas. I, I can't see any person that could actually do that, to get a bocher excited and, and, and ta'koche metachayes in the Rebbe's in yonim and to mean it serious and I'll say it even in under eitzas. There's different madregas. In my years, not all bochurim were also the same koch in the Rebbe. They weren't. Some were more, some were less. Just like today, you have some bochurim koch zich more and some bochurim koch zich less. But the nekuda hatichoina that the Rebbe is a very, very important thing in a bocher's life existed in my years, even by the bochurim who

45:40 Speaker 1 weren't running so much to the Rebbe, who were missing sichas for whatever reason, who were missing at fidda with the Rebbe for whatever reason. But the emes, the nekuda was there, and the same thing is today. The chiddush by me is not by the bochurim that are take a koching zich in the Rebbe's in yonim all the time, okay? For whatever reason, they got excited, and they're koching zich in the Rebbe's in yonim. That's not where I see the, the, the, the hafla, let's call it, or the wonder of what's really going on. It's the average, the regular bocher. At the end of the day, when push comes to shove, the Rebbe is extremely important to him, when going to the oil is important to him, going to, to, to, to meftzoim is important to him. The yonim that were important to the Rebbe are important to the bocher, even if he's not the bocher that's koching zich. And that's the chiddush. If you're caught up in the arum and that's where you hang out, okay, makes sense. How do we get there? That's the Rebbe's keichas. But the same bocher that in my days is the same bocher today. And I'm talking about, you know, within a certain box, obviously, because there's different ranges. And to me, that's, that's tremendous. And, and we in Lubavitch need to know this, and we need to appreciate this. Uh, somebody came to me recently. It's a long story. He had some issues. So he says, "Lubavitch is

46:57 Speaker 1 in a crisis." I said, "Klal Yisroel is in a crisis." I says, "You're not in Lubavitch," I told him. "I am. I'm sitting in yeshiva." Yeshiva is Lubavitch. Lubavitch has problems like everybody has problems. Klal Yisroel is tremendous cri-- Everybody's struggling. Everybody has issues. The world is creating a lot of problems that we have to deal with just like everybody else, and we can't shove it under the rug. Do we always have the solutions? Lav davka. A little bit, hopefully. But that's not the nekuda. I'm not talking the positive. I'm not focusing on the negative to fix the problems. But if you're sitting in the yeshivas with the bochurim, I'm telling you, we have issues. We're not in a crisis. On the opposite, on the contrary. It, it amazes me that the bocher, the maskil, the bocher, the grace, the mas-masmid, which is supposed to, you're supposed to sit and learn, and the bocher that kochs zich and dreys zich around the, the oil, around seven seventy and around the learning taf shin mem beh like you mentioned. Say that, that's-- he chose, that's his life. But the regular guy, to me, to me, that's where we see the Rebbe's keichas, that they're still taking it really, really serious. Going to the oil is serious. Oh, whatever it is, learning am ha'ma'amad is serious. It's serious business. And, and we have to somehow recognize that and, and help, and help continue that. And it's how many years already after Gimel Tammuz? Thirty something years after

48:14 Speaker 1 Gimel Tammuz. There is no explanation. Apisichon, apitan, badatz. I met a guy once, Chassidisher guy once. Eh, going back ten years ago, fifteen years ago. I don't know how the conversation went. I'm sure he was a secret Lubavitcher because he knew way too much. He knew way too much. Anyways, we started talking somehow about the Friediker Rebbe, so I said to him, "You know, the story how the Friediker Rebbe was saved and he was-- and who helped the Friediker Rebbe run away from Europe." He stops, he goes, "Is it, is it, is it Nishkan HaMa'amar mentioned the Lubavitch?" He says, "You guys are crazy." So to take any other Chassidis, and his Rebbe was also saved from Europe. I'm talking about the ones that came after the war. Ask them how he was saved, what the story was. They have no clues. But the Lubavitchers, you talk about their Rebbe and what happened, how they were saved, they know all the peratim, all the details about every single one of the Rebbeim when they had a crisis and they had an issue. It's, it's abnormal. He starts telling me. He was saying it as a ma'ayan, as a chassun, there's something here. And then, okay, so I'm from the older ones, but these are the bochurim of today. They don't know everything because, again, it's one big miktsa, so there's so much that you can know, details about every tkufe. But nevertheless, it's all there. And to me, that's, that's where we see the, the

49:19 Speaker 1 mamash, the Rebbe's keichas. And when you're sitting amongst the bochurim, some will argue with me, "Yeah, hachma, you're sitting amongst the bochurim." Yeah, I'd rather sitting-- sit amongst the bochurim and see, see the oil of the Rebbe and the eyd of Chassidis, the way it's mamash affecting our yugnt, our youth, which will eventually, hopefully, you know, grow up and be the Chassidishe ingaleit of Lubavitch. Um, I, I wanna sit here and see that and not focus on the problems which exist. They exist in Klal Yisroel as well.

49:47 Speaker 2 And there's a reporter that came to the Kness Hasheluchim one, one year, Israeli. This is a while ago, but many years after Gimel Tammuz. He wrote, "These Lubavitchers, they talk about the Rebbe like, uh, like a, like a kid speaks about the father in the middle of the shiva." Like that, that's how much they're, uh, they're talking about the Rebbe. And I think, I think you said it good, that this has nothing, this has nothing to do with us. This is the Rebbe's, uh, whatever, hashpa'ah that, uh, that's making it possible.

50:18 Speaker 1 There's no textbook how, how to do that. There, there isn't. And, and you can just argue that everybody figured out the textbook, you know, and all the yeshivas and the basic general Chabad chassidike booker of today. We, we didn't figure that out, you know. So if the Rebbe's koch is not a question. Look, it's not a chidush. If the Alter Rebbe said about Yitzius Kislev that it's gonna be yukbal l'moeyad midivbi Yisroel. Like, like how does he know that? How does he know that it's gonna be a moeyad midivbi Yisroel? And I think that it's Eish kicking in now-

50:45 Speaker 2 Now

50:45 Speaker 1 ... over the last fifteen, twenty or thirty years, that it's moeyad midivbi Yisroel. Moeyad midivbi Chabad? Okay. Ein klach, your family. The ein klach of the Rambam I think still celebrate the Rambam's Yom Ha'Atzmaut, you know what I mean? Whatever. Of course. The Shpoler Zeide's ein klach, they celebrate the Yom Ha'Atzmaut. But the Alter Rebbe said, yukbal l'moeyad midivbi Yisroel, that it's gonna catch on ganz klal. Yitzius Kislev is not a Lubavitch Yom Tov anymore. We also celebrate. Klal Yisroel celebrates. It's an amazing thing, right? So there's a whole different kochas, different kochas going on over here. And this is all part of the same thing. This is part of, part of the, the kochas of the Rabbeim and the Rebbe's keich to be able to, to give us that kochas, and we see it b'poel mamesh. It's just, just nothing-- There's nothing more to say other than the, the, the facts are in the results.

51:26 Speaker 2 Right.

51:26 Speaker 1 And chas v'Shalom, I said this to someone, he got all upset at me 'cause he was tiny, "Then you're throwing the problems under the rug." I said, "That's not what I'm talking about now." When you have to deal with the problems, you have to deal with the problems. Of course, there are issues. Everyone has issues.

51:39 Speaker 2 Yeah. And whatever. I mean, on the other, on the other hand, I mean, there are those that to say that, that, that Gimmel Tammuz was, you know, obviously-- Is-- To, to say that this was something that we-- anyone would have chosen, anyone would have wanted to be in such a matzah, uh, uh, you know, I don't, I don't think that's the case. Right?

52:05 Speaker 1 Obviously.

52:06 Speaker 2 Yeah.

52:06 Speaker 1 Obviously. Obviously. This, this... Look, you have to look at the silver lining in every single situation. The fact of the matter is, it's after Gimmel Tammuz, and we have the yatim b'choiri. That's like saying how levaya every tzaddik should be in the style of Min Hameit because you want the yatim b'choiri. That's exactly what you-- what someone, chas v'Shalom, might say. No, of course. Is it less? Azh ich tayten, tayten that it's not yat-- You only have choiri, and after is yatim b'choiri. But when you get to yatim b'choiri, you have to recognize that. And it's all part of the process. We didn't decide how this works. The Yiddishe decided how this works. So the process is that there's choiri and there's yatim b'choiri. And when we're in the matzah of yatim b'choiri, so we have to understand it, recognize it, and sometimes just get out of the way.

52:47 Speaker 2 Right. You're saying even though in Taf Shin on Beis, if I would've told you that, uh, we would be having this conversation, you would've, uh, told me I'm off the wall.

52:59 Speaker 1 Completely. Look, we, we believe yatim b'choiri. The Rebbe said yatim b'choiri. And how did we explain yatim b'choiri at the time? The Rebbe.

53:08 Speaker 2 Right.

53:08 Speaker 1 When we heard the fabrengen of Mem Hei, which I was there for my Yechidas Bar Mitzvahs, I was doing it this Tammuz and Tes Vov Tammuz, and the Rebbe screamed about the yatim b'choiri-

53:15 Speaker 2 The Sefardim

53:16 Speaker 1 ... about the Sefardim. And I was a young kid. I, I understood, you know, a little bit what was going on, not the story, the background. Nobody knew, but I understood what the Rebbe was saying. Um, so where was the yatim b'choiri? The Rebbe. The Rebbe's the yatim b'choiri. No, no one thought any further. But the Rebbe said it clearly by fabrengen. People, I don't think they pay attention. When the Rebbe was speaking that he said the following words, Tes Vov Tammuz Mem Hei, "Un dos iz negeia tsu yeder Chassid ad soif kol hadoros." Those are the words the Rebbe said by the fabrengen. At the time, no one paid attention. What does ad soif kol hadoros mean? What the Rebbe really meant to say was after my lifetime. That's exactly taych in simple English. What yeder Chassid ad soif kol hadoros. He was saying this. At the yatim b'choiri, he was referring then to the Friediker Rebbe, but of course, it meant himself as well. Is negeia to everyone ad soif kol hadoros, and we have to remember and appreciate that. And the Rebbe was telling it to us as a baremes. Of course, we ignored it then.

54:07 Speaker 2 And the same thing, the sichas. There was very-- the very strong sichas in Taf Shin Yud where the Rebbe speaking about... I mean, I think there's two tkufas that the Rebbe spoke very strongly about this, by the Sefardim and then, uh, Taf Shin Yud. It's the same thing. I think-- I don't know what they were thinking in Taf Shin Yud when the Rebbe was speaking about how the Friediker Rebbe is still here and, and everything's continuing. But, um, and that there's a famous letter, uh, I think it was Rav Pardes wrote to the, wrote to the Rebbe's zol gezunt zayn. On the-- So the Fr-- the Rebbe said, "I like the fact they wrote on the Friediker Rebbe zol gezunt zayn." I, I think, I don't know if I would've picked this up. I think in his letter, he meant the Rebbe.

54:45 Speaker 1 For sure. Not even a question.

54:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, right. That's, that's, that's-

54:47 Speaker 1 Famous vort on the Sede Yikar Kodesh, for example.

54:50 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

54:50 Speaker 1 Rebbe Champtan that vort, but Yutshvat, he always said a Sede Yikar Kodesh. I believe Ben Tzion wrote a letter to the Rebbe that he has a remez for the Rebbe.

54:57 Speaker 2 Right.

54:57 Speaker 1 "Kol asher yavo tahas hashavah to asiri," the one who will be instead of the one who was nistalek b'shvat to asiri, yikar kodesh. That's what he wrote to the Rebbe. The remez for the Rebbe was a Sede Yikar Kodesh, was the Rebbe, not the Friediker Rebbe. And the Rebbe took the vort, the Sede Yikar Kodesh on the Friediker Rebbe.

55:14 Speaker 2 Right.

55:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, of course, he meant the Rebbe.

55:15 Speaker 2 So Rav Pardes wrote on the Rebbe. The Rebbe zol gezunt zayn, and the Rebbe says, "I like the fact that he wrote zol gezunt zayn."

55:20 Speaker 1 Of course, of course.

55:21 Speaker 2 Uh. Uh-

55:22 Speaker 1 They say there, they say a story in Taf Shin Yud. The Rebbe walked in excited to Maskiros once and said, "The Rebbe privet Movsen. The Rebbe der Reb Meyfs." And he said, "The Rebbe," meaning the Friediker Rebbe, "privet Movsen." So Rabbi Chaitakov tells the Rebbe, "The Rebbe privet Movsen." So the Rebbe said, "Ah, du bist a petach. You're a fool." Turns to Doctor Nissan Mendel, Rabbi Nissan Mendel, and says, "Voz hokt ir?" And what do you say? "That ich halt vi em. Az the Rebbe privet Movsen." He says, "Ah, bist echt a petach. You're also a fool." And the Rebbe walked in, walked out. Yeah, but, uh, this is the matzias. Matzias is it says yatim b'choiri, and that's the fact, and that's the tkufah we're living in. Lei b'kivasynu, and we didn't choose it. This is how it is, and we have to appreciate it. Understand it. When I say appreciate, I mean happy. Appreciate means understand and, and what, what, what's really happening.

56:08 Speaker 2 By the way, that gives us a whole another understanding. You just-- you said the words ˈleiv bekedei sayno. And, uh, in cer-in certain ways it's right? That's the... That's, that's the-

56:24 Speaker 1 That's where I'm taking the washing from, yeah.

56:26 Speaker 2 We don't even want this.

56:27 Speaker 1 Yeah.

56:27 Speaker 2 I mean, I mean, today, I mean, based on everything that the Rebbe said that, uh, today the and where the were the ones that are finishing it off. I mean, today you can see this so clearly, like mamash, like, like we, like for some reason there's a whole that has to do it o-on, on their own, so to speak. It's obviously not on your own, but it's a, it's a whole... Yeah, it's but this is, uh... So it's like I have a question. Is a, is a, is a bakker supposed to-- whatever, bakker, a man supposed to feel... Like when I was growing up, it was very common that the Elul was like there was like a strong benkinish for the Rebbe, like a lack and a, and a, and a void. It wasn't-- I think that was na- it was real, like people really felt that. Is that, is that... Is there something that a bakker is supposed to have, or that's... If you, um, like-

57:24 Speaker 1 It's, I, I, I think I would answer that that's a huge I don't know what the real answer is-

57:30 Speaker 2 That's why I'm asking the question, 'cause I don't know if I have an answer.

57:31 Speaker 1 I know. I know. I-- But I'm not in a position to have a true answer because, again, I come from a different kufah. So my feelings do not necessarily reflect what the feelings should be, and how would I know? I'm not a Rebbe, I'm not a tzadik, I'm not a navi. On the other hand, this question has to be categorized from different angles. There's two parts to the question. Number one, is that necessary? Number two, should it be necessary? In other words, even if it's necessary, let's say, is it a-always a good thing to focus on, on, on that nekuda? So I don't have an answer to the question. From the Rebbe, we didn't see a benkinish to the Friydiker Rebbe. We didn't see it.

58:10 Speaker 2 In Taf Shin Yud-

58:10 Speaker 1 Yeah.

58:11 Speaker 2 In Taf Shin Yud there is, yeah.

58:12 Speaker 1 Obviously. I'm talking about-

58:13 Speaker 2 Yeah.

58:13 Speaker 1 -in Taf Shin Lamed and how many-- Taf Shin Mem. We're in, like, Taf Shin Mem Gimel now, thirty-whatever-three years after Gimel Tammuz. The Rebbe lived with the Friydiker Rebbe. Mamish went to the oil twice a month, twice a week, three times a week. He lived with the Friydiker Rebbe. The issues of benkinish, we didn't see. If someone has a benkinish, kol hakavod, I say, as long as it doesn't depress him. The problem is that sometimes the benkinish can make a person feel down and feel bad and give up hope, especially someone who was talking by the Rebbe physically. Um, so as long as it's, you know, for fabrengens, after you say a little l'chaim, and then you express a benkinish. I mean, if you could express it, if a person could express a benkinish to a family member, even many years after that family member passed away, lo yolenu, certainly you could feel and express a benkinish to the Rebbe. The question is if that's supposed to be your whole avoda. I would imagine no, because if it is, it could sometimes ster to the avoda, and we didn't see that by the Rebbe. We didn't see that by the Rebbe. We saw everything else except for this, this nekuda. It's not a raya that the Rebbe didn't have a benkinish 'cause the Rebbe wasn't so expressive like this bechalal. It's amazing that b'derech klal, if you have any human being that spoke darshan for as many hours as the Rebbe did, you can probably

59:25 Speaker 1 write an autobiography of every single moment of his life. The Rebbe spoke so many hours, you know nothing. The only thing we know a little bit is what he told a few people here and there, and you put together Yemei Melech or the early days or something from documentation. Nothing. He didn't speak about himself. He poshet spoke Torah. He spoke, uh, he said to this, miftsoyim, nigla, chiddush, whatever it was. He didn't speak about himself. Oh, here and there he said something about myself. But b'derech klal he didn't. So there's no raya, but the fact of the matter is the Rebbe tz диктор only in going forward. Now, on the other hand, it created by some people, and I know this 'cause I speak to bachurim, that they feel bad that they don't have that benkinish, that they don't have that, let's call it av od soros, physical ava, so to speak.

1:00:12 Speaker 2 Which, by the way-

1:00:13 Speaker 1 Feeling-

1:00:13 Speaker 2 -the Rebbe didn't use that-- those, those loshenes about, uh, when the Rebbe talked about his chassidus.

1:00:18 Speaker 1 Bechalal not. Bechalal not. So my answer always is as follows: I don't know why you feel bad. His chassidus doesn't say anywhere... In other words, let's put it this way. Mekubal is his chassidus. It's b'derech memale. How did you become a Mekubal? If you do the things that connect you to the Rebbe. Doesn't mean... In other words, let's say there's someone who does everything the Rebbe said, he doesn't feel it. That means he's not a Mekubal? He's absolutely a Mekubal. If it bothers you, work on it, or you'll be successful, or you won't be successful. That's like saying, if you don't have an av od soros to your father, you're patzer in kimit avei. Like, what does that mean? And there's no kesher. It doesn't say anywhere you have to love your father, I feel. It says you have to m'chabed your father, to m'chabed your parents. Avas to the Ibshtir. Now, do you have to love the Rebbe? It, it helps. There's no question about it, that if you have an ava to the Rebbe, it certainly helps. But if you don't feel that ava, yeah, it doesn't say in halakha that that's necessary or in chassidus that it's necessary. So a person shouldn't feel bad. It's normal. If you live in Taf Shin Peh Vav and you weren't, let's say, raised in the atmosphere which would sort of induce a person to have that feeling, it doesn't make a difference. We're talking about doing what the Rebbe wants. His chassidus means learning a

1:01:26 Speaker 1 per bakka, let's say, learning nigla chassidus, as they would state in, in, in, in learning the Rebbe's Torah, like it says in HaYom Yom, going on miftzoyim, learning chitas, learning lamom. And then you know you're a Mekubal. You, you know it. You are. You are a Mekubal. You could always do more. So i-it-- there's no real straight answer to the question, and the minute we focus too much on requiring that feeling, what it does is it makes those that don't have it feel bad. I was sitting Shabbos before Gimel Tammuz by the oil once. There was a few chassidus Shichevrer sitting around. There were Lubavitchers, and one of them was crying bitter to tear him that he doesn't have an av od soros to the Rebbe. I looked at him like, "Really? That's what this is about?" It's nice. By fabrengen you can cry like that, but that's not what this is about. Tus with the Rebbe, you're doing what the Rebbe wants. You're going on miftzoyim, you're teaching chassidus, you're being mefetsed the Mayones. What more could you ask for?

1:02:09 Speaker 3 It bothers you? Say that. Figure it out. It's, it's, it's the same thing if someone-- people complain that they don't have a feeling for the Torah mitzvah that they're doing. That's like saying, "I don't have a feeling to change the diaper of my child." You do it anyways 'cause that's what you're supposed to do, and you do it anyways. Now, if you wanna be miserable, so you'll be miserable. If you wanna figure out a way to make it work, figure out how to make it work. But that's all secondary thing. The main thing is doing what you're supposed to do.

1:02:37 Speaker 2 Yeah. And the Rebbe said very clearly, I mean,

1:02:43 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:02:45 Speaker 2 Right. So here's a different thing. It's only limited as it's not

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1:04:50 Speaker 3 there's a Chasid, there's a Rebbe. I think if I remember correctly, what he was saying was that he was a this was an Alameds. There's another feeling that we felt, and that was like a Talmud and a Rebbe. We, we, we almost felt like the Rebbe's Talmud. So, um, when he learned the Rebbe's Torah, so I know I mentioned I just watched the, the Rebbe goes, uh, this is the whole the Rebbe's so in the way he's saying over, saying it over. And I think it's a of our Rebbe. I mean, there's the, there's the that, uh, that all the Rebbeim obviously taught, and especially in the or but there's like a whole nother element by the Rebbe that spent hours upon hours, you know, in your times every single Shabbos and so many videos and so, so many ways to access it. And sometimes I think it might not be like, I don't know, it's not appreciated or it's not, there's not enough emphasis put on the fact that being a Rebbe, you have to be able to have, to have the relationship that you have with the Rebbe has to be in a way that like I, I, I learned my Rebbe, not just who I followed, who, who I, who I learned from in Torah. So maybe that's my-- I don't know. So my question for you is what are the elements in the Rebbe's Torah like that, you know, to be focused on, and how do you acquire that? I know

1:06:36 Speaker 3 you, you, you deal with but every, everyone's, uh, uh- So-

1:06:42 Speaker 2 There's so

1:06:42 Speaker 3 So there's two, there's two really parts to this and I'm not necessarily the one that knows the answers. First of all, there's the where the Rebbe spoke about the so he, he expressed that he's not interested in this whole fight. There's no to me. What does have a to me? You would think the first thing he would say is He said, "I cash in Ramba, or I'll have an answer or not." Then afterwards he said, "I'm." The first thing he said is I cash in Ramba.

1:07:09 Speaker 2 My is I cash in. I cash in Ramba. That's in my.

1:07:12 Speaker 3 That's in my. That's what the Rebbe said. That's, this, this is who I am. And you see from the Rebbe's it's a in learning. So we talk about the Rebbe's Torah, there's two parts to that. There's number one, the in addition to the Rebbe's Torah. The Rebbe demonstrated to us what it means to in London. I mean, the Rebbe had the whole world on his shoulders. The whole world on his shoulders. I once spoke to a and I said, "You think the Rebbe was a CEO? That's what he did all day? I mean, a holy CEO, a nosi CEO, whatever words you wanna use. Tell him this." Yeah, he did it for a small part of the day. Most of the day, take his ass and go learn. This was the Rebbe's life. And he came to and you could see in the Rebbe once wrote a letter to someone who said he didn't get personal answers. The Rebbe said, "What?" I, I think, I don't remember the it was recently, but recently could be in the last ten years, publicized the Rebbe said that, "I wanna sh- bring you into what I'm in the." This is the that I'm. And the Rebbe demonstrated that. I met a once

1:08:18 Speaker 1 Tell him I heard a tape of a fabregen. It was a Pelativik zach. Some, some modne zach. A modne, I think he said. It was four hours, alts Torah. Look at him like he fell off the moon. Yeah, he thought it was a fabregen. Davka in, like, in film it didn't put on 12. The whole day, that's what the Rebbe was talking about. That the four hours the Rebbe was speaking Torah, um, 'cause the world doesn't know that. This is a, a side point. It's our fault. We're very good in publicizing the movement of Lubavitch from Yitzoyim, et cetera, et cetera. But the Rebbe's gaddos baTorah, we have somehow, for some reason, failed to publicize that to Klal Yisroel completely. I mean, your average... And the-those that know, that know. That Alkid Ekarct, there was a Litvisher guy came to Marston once. He tells me, "The Rebbe, I know, he knew where to learn." His father also knew where to learn. At that point, we didn't have the, the, the Torahs Lev Yitzchak and whatever, the swadam from the, the Blavich on the shelf there. I would've shown him. It's so-- It's Chinese that even I don't understand the word that it says. That, that's how big of a Talmud Chacham he was. Whatever. But they don't know, and there's, there has to be some... This is Tama. Maamer Hamuzgir. Something to be done that we can possibly bring the Rebbe's gaddos baTorah that when you-- if you get interviewed by a Litvisher magazine, they're

1:09:21 Speaker 1 never gonna make the Rebbe bigger than the Litvisher gedolim. Skulam. But they have to come out that the Rebbe is at least as big as, let's say, what they those days they call him Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky. Tzfat, right? At least, right? But not that they're happy that we're putting on film with Yidden. Torah they have, and we, we do the, what they call, let's say, the, the work that they don't wanna do. Gobi mikarabah the Yidden. 'Cause Torah we have. No. The, the Rebbe was a godol baTorah, the biggest, right? But that's a Maamer Hamuzgir. So part of this conversation is, yeah, Medach Seposhid Koch, Kochan, Kipshuta in learner like the Rebbe Koch by a fabregen. If you were there and you see it on the videos, where does the get-Rebbe get animated? When the Rebbe's upset about something, things that are happening to the world in the Klal Yisroel, "Un vere koch zich in lernn." That's where the Rebbe gets excited. Mamish. It's, it's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. So that's- In the, in this fabregen I'm talking about, this Kislev, the Rebbe says a whole sicha Hashems haaretz. The Rebbe's screaming. But the sicha before, I think, or two sichas before, the Rebbe says a hadran. The Rebbe's screaming as well. Yeah. Rebbe's mamish like- But there was once a fabregen. See, in Sichas Kodesh, Achim Shapes Ach Tav Shen Lamed. It's famous fabregen. But the next fabregen, the Rebbe complained that I spoke 15 minutes about President Johnson and politics. And them was The

1:10:34 Speaker 1 elim gekocht in the 15 minutes. Thus was I-- this, that I spoke so much in learning. Nobody kochs like that. The 15 minutes about politics, that's where everybody was koching zich in. The Rebbe spoke about it because he had to speak about it. But the koch has to be the koch in, the koch in learning. So that's number one. The Rebbe's-- I myself saw. I mean, I, I was once inside by-- when the Rebbe gave the love ministeregem to the, to the Miyuchasem and then to the Vaad Chabad. The Rebbe said a sicha to them when they presented the Rebbe. So I was punked inside there. I got in, and I was on the steps, and I was looking over the Rebbe's head 'cause I was higher on the steps into the Rebbe's room. And I saw, I saw whatever, the Rebbe's table. The Rebbe's table was mamish opposite the room. And you could see the Rebbe's shulchan ruch was opened. The Rebbe's glasses were on the shulchan ruch. His chair was moved. Kiilu, as if, he was pushut sitting and learning shulchan ruch. Probably, I imagine, al hastulav, I couldn't see, you know, what's-- he's going to pick a little vanastik till the minute that he got up and went outside, and the sefer was still open. That's what the Rebbe was doing, sitting and learning till the last second, mamish. I mean, Rabbi Moshe Katlassky, alav ha-shalom, says a story. He peeked in. Once the Rebbe was sitting with a sefer, a big

1:11:32 Speaker 1 sefer or a Gemara or a Shulchan Aruch, till the minute of the fabregen, he closed the sefer, and then the Rebbe went out to the fabregen. He didn't waste a minute. He sat, pushut, and learned. Anyways. And, and you saw it, the poil. The Rebbe wasn't behadsin halachos in his learning. I mean, he for sure was because we don't know even Hashem itz menu of what the Rebbe was learning, et cetera. But, but he made it open that this is my ninyom. So that's point number one. And there's learning the Rebbe's Torah. There are-- Actually, it, it's-- When you start to learn the Rebbe's Torah, and, and I look now when I learn a sicha of the Rebbe and when I was a bochert, it's, it's a different limud, okay? 'Cause you're more mature, you're older, and you see things differently. So when you're younger, you're, like, just learning the sicha. You're not learning. And also, you don't know enough. You don't know a lot. Now when you know more, you push it around. So you look at it from, from broader lenses of what the Rebbe is really doing here, and, and it's amazing. And you have different kinds of sichas. And i-it's hard to tell a person to choose what talks to him more of the Rebbe's Torah because when it comes to his kashrus, it doesn't make a difference. If you learn a maamer of the Rebbe, you learn a sicha of the Rebbe, what's known as the easy sicha of the

1:12:32 Speaker 1 Rebbe, a niglah sicha of the Rebbe, a rashi sicha of the Rebbe. But if you learn more and more and more, it literally-- And you appreciate learning 'cause number one, if you don't appreciate learning, the Rebbe's Torah is not gonna do anything to you. It's not. I mean, beruch nis for sure it will, his kashrus. But it, as opposed to, to getting a person involved, if you don't appreciate learning, it's not gonna do any-- Usually, it's not gonna do anything. You have to appreciate learning. Once you appreciate learning and understand what learning Torah, nakach and Torah means, and then you learn the Rebbe's sichas, and you learn the Rebbe's hadas, and you learn even the Rebbe's shimmes, it's harder, the sitnen is harder, i-i-it gives you such an oyr chadosh on every single sugya. And you have to like that. You have to appreciate that. And as Yidden, we're supposed to, not just Lubavitch. Every single Yid is supposed to. You're supposed to be able to talk to another Yid, a vort in Torah, and it's supposed to get a person excited. Ah, that's a meira dekavod. And the Rebbe's Torah, the Rebbe is... Uh, it, it-- You can, you can talk about it from so many angles. There's the lashitas of the Rebbe, the, the, the machoinikison and swaras similar to the Rogatchover. I remember this fabregen Purim em zain, where the Rebbe spoke then about the gaddus of the Rogatchover. Purim em zain. That's a huge fabregen, Mashiach. A lot of different- The

1:13:42 Speaker 1 Rebbe used it. The Rebbe said it's like one of the novelties of, of, of, uh, the Brit. Of the Brit, the Rogatchover's gate. Yeah. It's correct. So, so-- And, and the style of the Rogatchover. So I remember- Rebbe compared it, like, to the atom bomb, right? That's the same sicha. I, I don't-- I, I was young then. Yeah. I've, I've seen that fabregen afterwards, and there's also a lot of eyshes about Mashiach similar to what the Rebbe spoke in the later years. Um, a lot of different... It was, it was, it was a, a tremendous fabregen. Anyway, so afterwards, Rabbi Gurari in Detroit, we were kids. We were 14 years old. So he told us, "I'm telling you the Rebbe was explaining about himself also," 'cause the style, the Rebbe liked the Rogatchover. He was bucking all the Rogatchover's swadam, that his style is similar to the Rogatchover, to peel away and get to the yosei des hadovar and explain all that. But these are all paratim when you start to appreciate Torah. When you start to appreciate Torah, you start to appreciate what is the Rebbe doing here. And the Rebbe's nakuda is, what I find with the Rebbe's Torah is, usually you have certain ye'einim, the Talmidie Hakham, that they have a kav. They have a schnit. You have the schnit of the Rebbeim Brisk, the Briskerschnit. You have the Rogatchoverschnit. But the Rebbe, there's no schnit. You could learn different styles of explaining a sugya to detailed cheshbon, to Kabbalah Gematriyos in

1:14:48 Speaker 1 certain sichas. The Rebbe goes to a Gematria with a whole opinion about a Gematria. It's Bechanar style, right? That's the sort of Polisher style. The Rebbe goes and gets the nakudas hadovar just with that. So there's no real one schnit of you can say that this is... I mean, that's one schnit that's obvious, that all chelki in Torah, of Torah are, are connected one to one. Kodsh Hared sais achsidis, and therefore you can learn it in different ways. Niglah has to-- Nistar has to fit with Niglah and whatever. That's, that's one malach, obviously, but it expresses itself in so many different areas.For example, the Mashal punkt, uh, I love this Rebbe Shimon 'cause I, I caught-- I couldn't catch my breath when I read the Rebbe Shimon, learned the Rebbe Shimon the first time when it came out, I don't know, Tav Shin Nun Ches, whatever it was, uh, close to thirty years ago. So, uh, the Sh- it says, uh, it's Rebbe Shimon's Chaf Alef. Everybody should learn it 'cause it's unbelievable. Uh, number Chaf Alef. Cheider is Chaf Alef, but Vayishlach. How Levi became bar mitzvah boy by Yom that the story happened. The Rebbe goes to the Cheshbon. He never said this becha b'breiengim bechalav. It's by the way, fascinating that the whole Rebbe Shimon, which is one of three huge books, almost nothing that the Rebbe speak afterwards becha b'breieng. Almost. Few things he did. In fact, some parts are mamash in the Kuntessichas as well. But, but if in

1:15:54 Speaker 1 klali, almost a hundred percent, it's all new material, the stamah that the Rebbe spoke throughout the years, and this he never spoke about. But this Rebbe Shimon, the Rebbe posht makes the Cheshbon mi yom u'yom, way from klali, the other mefarshim talk about it, and breaks it down. Th-this, this is not a schnit, this is geinis. It's not a schnit, this is not a ma'aleh, it's poshet geinis. And if you appreciate Torah, you, you, you can't catch your breath wh-when you learn that. And if you develop a, a taste to appreciate what the Rebbe is doing and how the Rebbe goes tiferet and tiferet and tiferet, you really develop an appreciation for that. You connect yourself to the Rebbe's Torah, and you continue learning it. But it's very, very important to remember, learning something like once and not properly is not gonna get you there. It's nothing. Learning the first time or just learning a sicha because you have to be eights asain a learn a sicha, and you're not really misamek in what you're learning and sort of think about what the Rebbe's saying, whether it's Nigla or whether it's Chassidus. It's, it's, it's-- I can't say it's worthless, obviously, 'cause there's an inyan of, of learning, right? The Shem learning. But if you wanna become part of it, you have to chazar it again and again. And actually, this whole project, um, not project, the Halikutz, Halikut that the Bochurim for the Yeshivas, only, only a certain amount of Bochurim can join, obviously,

1:17:07 Speaker 1 probably 'cause of funds. There's no money to start giving prizes to, to everybody. Um, it, that actually does that. And, uh, you see it, the Bochurim chazar it and they chazar it and they chazar it and they chazar it, and they posht end up, end up knowing it. I would always suggest to people, whatever you learn now, you're gonna forget it, and then you chazar it again in a year, it comes back all, and it's a tremendous limud. So i-it's something that, you know, we lived with at the time with the Rebbe's Torah 'cause there was new Torah coming out, the Kuntessichas coming out. And I remember those sichas because I learnt it b'shaitoi, okay? So those sichas, some of them I remember even better than a sicha that I learnt last week because you lived with it when it came out. I was punkt connected to sichas, not to the Maimonim so much. That's just me. But my Chaveirim, for example, the Maimonis is what they were connecting to tremendously. A-and you could pick. You, you, you can't-- Unless you're mamash a genius, and you spend learning a whole day, and there are those, Baruch Hashem, in Lubavitch, you could write them an email. Where does the Rebbe talk about any sugya in any topic? Boom, in a second they'll give it to you. Kol Hakavod. We need those people. But whatever talks to you, and from there you'll develop. You'll develop a, an appreciation and a connection with the Rebbe's Torah, which is

1:18:14 Speaker 1 ultimately his kasherus. But you can't forget the first nekuda. You have to have a Koch in London. The truth is, if you don't know enough Torah or a lot of Torah, you really don't know what the Rebbe's talking about. The Reb-- Most of the Rebbe's sichas are already step two. You have to know what's flying. You have to know some Torah. And, and if you don't, you have to learn it with someone who can tell you. And the truth is, it's been again, the Maimonim as well, and the Kutat Torah as well. Tal Rebbe and the Kutat Torah is referencing, referencing almost always Gemara and Midrashim. If you punkt know that sugya, you'll see it's a different Maimon. Happens to me. I don't know a lot of the sugyas that Tal Rebbe's talking about, especially Tanakh I don't know. Most of it's Tanakh. But if you punkt know a particular sugya, and then you open up the Maimon, right? Of the Kutat Torah or the Rebbe's Maimon, and you re- you know what he's talking about. Otherwise, you think you do, and you really don't.

1:19:03 Speaker 4 But you see in the videos when the Rebbe start speaking, uh, Rambam, I guess also you see like Bochum grabbing, uh, grabbing a Rambam and start looking inside.

1:19:13 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:19:13 Speaker 4 So it's like, uh-

1:19:15 Speaker 1 Moishye Groner, alav hashalom, used to come to every Shabbos for bringin' with a Likutei Yitzchok and a, and a, and a Rambam, and, uh, and he would-- And the Rebbe would-- And the Chumash for Rashi, and the Rebbe would like give a shiur. He, he would open up the Sefer. I remember I used to stand on top, I would watch him. He would open it up, he would follow along with the Rambam as the Rebbe's saying.

1:19:32 Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, the Rashi sichas, the Rebbe-- There was a whole Seder the Rebbe would, Rebbe would announce with Rashi.

1:19:38 Speaker 1 Not always.

1:19:39 Speaker 4 Whatever.

1:19:39 Speaker 1 Not always. Not always.

1:19:40 Speaker 4 Certain, certain tzukefes.

1:19:41 Speaker 1 There were some times the Rebbe didn't-- they didn't say the Rebbe's gonna f-- The Rebbe didn't-- We didn't know the Rebbe's farbrengen until he walked to the front. Rebbe Groner didn't walk behind the Rebbe Shabbos. He would stand in the front by the beam in the front, and the Rebbe would walk by him, and he would shake his head. And sometimes he would say, "Sitz einer farbrengen." That's how I wanna watch. The Rebbe shook his head. This is up till Mem Ches. So for example, Vayichi Mem Ches, the Rebbe walked by him, no farbrengen this week. Only time the Rebbe did it earlier downstairs was Rosh Chodesh of Teshrin Nun, Shabbos, the Rebbe said he's gonna farbrengen. So there was no Tekiah. So I was davening in the back. I didn't have a place. There was no pushing. The Rebbe walked into shul, and right when he walked in, he turned to, to Rebbe Groner and says, "farbrengen." Half an hour after davening, we have farbrengen. So in the back of shul, we already knew there's a farbrengen till the news traveled.

1:20:24 Speaker 4 So when I, when I, I learned by your father in Miami, so I think every single shiur he brought in Likutei Sichos. Okay. He connected it to, to Likutei Sichos. Um, so I th- Could be part of it, I know we're, I know we're not fixing all the problems, but I think may-maybe part of the issue is that you learn it all day in yeshiva, and then, like, um, chaves at night, after chassidus at night, at, uh, nine thirty at night, people just say the Sichos people are like, you know, donuts. They're learning Likutei Sichos, you know, and it's like an extracurricular activity. So for-- I mean, you mentioned Halikut, which is a beautiful thing that's happening in the yeshivas through the Va'ad Hatzmen that's making a koch in, in the Sichos. My question is, when appropriate Does-- I, I don't know what's happening in yeshiva today, but is it appropriate to have it incorporated as part of the limud?

1:21:17 Speaker 1 So-

1:21:17 Speaker 4 There's a, there's a sugya that they're, they're learning that, that is something from the Rebbe. Like, you know... I know there was a Gemara once that they, that they, they made above mitzvah with, with, with, with, with, with the yunan from the Rebbe on the side.

1:21:26 Speaker 1 Sha'ar Meyuchas from the Kuntress Sha'ar Meyuchas.

1:21:27 Speaker 4 Sha'ar Meyuchas, yeah.

1:21:28 Speaker 1 The first part of Sha'ar Meyuchas.

1:21:29 Speaker 4 Is that they made it-- they, they published a Gemara with, with, with, with, uh, with that on the side.

1:21:34 Speaker 1 They, they didn't come out. Whatever. That's, that's a whole 'nother story. The one-- the publisher, Rav, passed away. Whatever. He got sick-

1:21:38 Speaker 4 Yeah

1:21:39 Speaker 1 ...and so, that's a whole different story. Um, the short answer is that first of all, it's done in all the yeshivas. In other words, if there's a sugya from the Rebbe or a sicha from the Rebbe or a brit from the Rebbe that goes into the mamash, the nigela parts of, of, of the nigela, the rosh yeshivas make copies and they give shiurim in it. Um, or they tell the bachurim to learn it. Um, when they're learning the Maimonides Mesulis, if they're learning Maimonides, let's say from the Rebbe Shomer Shain or, or, or, or the Tzemach Tzedek or whatever, and there's horas from the Rebbe, they always bring it. That's obvious. That's not even a chidush. What you're saying about incorporating a seidel limud of the Rebbe's tate in yeshiva, the problem with that is the Rebbe would not allow it and did not allow it. Didn't even allow Rambam to learn Sefer HaYeshiva. Um, what the pshat is and what the reason is, I, I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, some may be wanting to say that the Rebbe didn't wanna, you know, take away from the regular learning for his own tate. I don't think he would allow Friediker Rebbe's tate or, or, or even whatever it is, any other tate from the Rebbe, and it's not learning Sefer HaHalacha, let's say, or the Rebbe Shomer Shain that Rebbe didn't want 'cause the Rebbe felt, I think, I think, that learning his tate is not on the cheshbon of what every frum

1:22:41 Speaker 1 Yid is supposed to be doing in regularly yeshiva bachur. And that's what the Rebbe wanted.

1:22:44 Speaker 4 The Rebbe always says-- When the Rebbe introduced Rambam, the Rebbe said it's been naaseh to the shiurim of the-

1:22:48 Speaker 1 Of course. Of course.

1:22:49 Speaker 4 We're only, we're only adding, okay?

1:22:50 Speaker 1 Only adding. Exactly.

1:22:51 Speaker 4 We're not detracting.

1:22:51 Speaker 1 Well, who do I hear from someone? The Rebbe said every fabrengen you have to masech in, in tate of mitzvot. There's just no time anymore. If you masech every single day for every fabrengen, there's no time anymore. Um, no. The Rebbe didn't want that, so therefore it's not a conversation. The bottom line, re-regardless of what we think and what we want, uh, it's definitely you could do that beis din yetzva min haklal certain times. Look, my father still, ad hayom hazeh in Miami, smack in the middle of the afternoon, say that he gives a half an hour. Started off as a Moshiach shiur when the Rebbe started talking Moshiach. When I was there in Miami in Nun Gimel and Nun Daled, it was still a Moshiach shiur, and now it developed into the Kotzker shiur. I think there are people in Galut that come to that shiur 'cause it's, it's a very, very good shiur. It's a half an hour, smack in the middle of say that. Um, he'd made that decision to do that, I guess, bes evinis lanen, obviously, and it brought in a koch to the bachurim. But, um, look, I remember as a kid, I shouldn't say this, but I'll say it anyways 'cause people might take this the wrong way. I remember as a kid, my father fabrengen with the bachurim, I guess it was in my house 'cause I was there. Why would I be there? I was a little kid. He was fabrengen, he was shiker, and he

1:23:49 Speaker 1 was screaming at the bachurim, "How is it possible that I don't walk by your table and you don't right away hide the Kotzker sichas?" Meaning, why am I not catching you learning Kotzker sichas in the middle of say that? He was trying to say, "Yeah, of course you know how to learn the Kotzker sichas. I'm gonna scream at you for learning the Kotzker sichas, and I don't want this to be taken the wrong way as if I'm giving a gush panke for a bachur to close his Gemara and learn the Kotzker sichas in the middle of say that." There's a time for everything. Ober, ober, ober, ober. What says the gam ves da snack? The gam ves da fonko hint. We could talk about a lot of things. Vos mak gam-- Mek mak gam in a Kotzker sichas and learn a Kotzker sichas. A-a-a-and take, take a punishment for it if you have to. That's a different conversation. Whatever. But, but I'm just bringing out a nekuda. Sometimes the problem is that a bachur that is koching you the Kotzker sichas is 'cause he doesn't wanna learn Gemara, and that's a different problem. It's a different conversation. The bachur that wants to learn Gemara and also wants to learn Kotzker sichas, fine. Okay. You have to find the balance.

1:24:41 Speaker 4 Right. Um, and I guess what you're s-- I guess you have a-- you're saying an important point that you have to have, uh, a koch and tate in order to, to-- bachurim even appreciate this. I mean, if you wa-if you watch a fabrengen, if you don't know... Forget about the... You're not gonna understand.

1:24:58 Speaker 1 Oh, that's, that's part-

1:24:59 Speaker 4 Part of un-part of it, the part of understanding a fabrengen is getting used to the Rebbe's signal, but you have to be able to know the, the-

1:25:05 Speaker 1 The lingo of tate-

1:25:06 Speaker 4 The lingo

1:25:06 Speaker 1 ...that Rebbe's talking about. The Rebbe was-- The Rebbe spoke to children different. The, the three-- There's four different styles of the Rebbe that he spoke. He spoke regular fabrengen, he spoke to children, he spoke to the women, and then he spoke to Teferes Keilim Levi Yitzchok. Teferes Keilim Levi Yitzchok, the Rebbe spoke once a year on Chanukah. Menachem Galitsky zal zayn iz undzer tag would bus in people from old age homes, and the Rebbe spoke... The style was a Yiddish, like the mikhtavim klalim of, of Nissan Mandel that he used to write up, uh, in, in the later years with the, the, the fancy Yiddish that, uh, that I, I don't even understand the word. If you take a listen to the sichas-

1:25:37 Speaker 4 Yeah

1:25:37 Speaker 1 ...to, to the later years mamash, that's how the Rebbe spoke. But when he spoke a regular fabrengen, he was speaking to a Yiddish amenshen. Kabbalah. We have to know what the Rebbe's talking about. We have to know the mussarim. We have to know the yunan. Even the Kotzker sichas in the earlier krochim, everything is translated into Yiddish. Every statement, Chazal, is translated to Yiddish. Later krochim, it's not already. There's no translations of Chazal, even in the Yiddish sichas.

1:25:57 Speaker 4 Right. I mean-

1:25:59 Speaker 1 They're expected to know it.

1:26:00 Speaker 4 The, the-

1:26:00 Speaker 1 Expected to know. Figure it out. Yeah.

1:26:03 Speaker 4 Yeah. The later krocham Kotzker sichas is written like, uh, like, um, like a Sefer HaTate or the, the-

1:26:09 Speaker 1 That's after Chelek Lamed. That's after Chelek, uh, after Chelek Lamed. But I'm saying even the ones in Yiddish, which is-

1:26:14 Speaker 4 Yeah, even the Yiddish ones

1:26:15 Speaker 1 ...Yiddish, it's not, it's not translated. It's, you know, it's...

1:26:19 Speaker 4 Right. Um, okay. Are there-- Are-- You, you said that, uh, are there certain inyanim... I just have a question about the Rebbe's tate. You said that the Rebbe's all the, all different styles, right? Is there a unique inyan that's, like, unique to the Rebbe in, in, in-

1:26:41 Speaker 1 Rashi is.

1:26:42 Speaker 4 Rashi.

1:26:43 Speaker 1 Of course Rashi. Absolutely. Not even a question. I mean, the Ma- the Mashpiyim could probably tell you about the Rebbe's Maimon, probably better than me. But in Nikla, that unique style of breaking down the Rashi like that in Peshat Shel Mikra, I mean, I'm not such a book, you know, all the other svadim, but that's, that's a something unique. And the Velt understood that Beshaitoi, those that, that knew. They just wrote now, the Velt told me that they gave out now, Tishrei, they gave out a whole-- 'cause it's so many years from, from the Rashis. Um, they gave out a whole Richas, and, and they, they did a very, very good job on that. They did a very good job on that

1:27:19 Speaker 4 Yeah, I, I interviewed someone, uh, Ariel Basovsky, and he said that the people in Crown Heights that still live there, not Lubavitchers, uh, people started coming to Fabregans 'cause like this is like a whole-- especially Amaliki Yidden that, uh, today, you know, i-in the lame they tell you that I don't know how much of a focus there is in Chumash Rashi. But for sure, uh, Amaliki Yidden-

1:27:41 Speaker 1 Also the Rebbe, the Rebbe would ask obvious questions that are klutz questions like you're not like, "What are you talking about?" That, that a Rebbe would ask. And like, really? I was embarrassed or scared to think about such a question 'cause you're ‹foreign language› you're being ‹foreign language›, you know?

1:27:54 Speaker 4 Right. And it's als-it's also a chidush because the way the, the, the framework of what is a question, the Klali Rashi-

1:28:01 Speaker 1 Right

1:28:01 Speaker 4 ... that's a chidush of the Rebbe. The, the-- a lot, a lot of these Klalim, right? I think some of them are, are from before, and some of them are chidushim of the Rebbe, right?

1:28:08 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, the Rebbe took-- Well, they wrote the Klali Rashi that, uh, Tovia Bleier wrote was based on the Rebbe's Fabregans.

1:28:13 Speaker 4 Yeah, but there are certain Klali Rashi from previous Sefarim, I believe.

1:28:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:28:17 Speaker 4 But, but the l- So, but a lot of them are n-are, are not in previous Sefarim.

1:28:20 Speaker 1 Correct. Correct.

1:28:22 Speaker 4 It's the Rebbe-

1:28:22 Speaker 1 Most of them are from the Rebbe's chidushim. Most of it is from the Rebbe. A lot of the Klali Rashi that we have in Lubavitch today, that the Rebbe made-- the Rebbe made those Klalim throughout the Fabregans, and the Rebbe wanted it to be compiled and, and he did that, and the Rebbe gave-- they gave out the Sefer. So the Moshiach, yeah, there are all those Sefarim Klali Rashis, Klali Rambams, Klali Hashas. There's many Klalim, but the Rebbe broke it down to Pirkei Parah.

1:28:40 Speaker 4 Yeah.

1:28:41 Speaker 1 That's, I think, where you see the Rebbe's koach and, and it's, it's, it's amazing.

1:28:48 Speaker 4 I think, uh, so, uh, what about the when the ‹foreign language› and the Rebbe explains like that there's like a Bavlis ‹foreign language› and then that and like therefore-

1:29:02 Speaker 1 There's, there's many Sichas like that. Okay, that's the Rebbe, the Re-that's the Rebbe's schnit. But, but yeah, that style is-

1:29:07 Speaker 4 Is that, is that a chidush of the Rebbe?

1:29:08 Speaker 1 Also a chidush. I, I would imagine. I would imagine that's a chidush of the Rebbe to, to, to go into the-- First, like the Seem of Masechta is supposed to represent what Bavli is, and the Seem of Yerushalmi is representing what Yerushalmi is in every single Masechta because it's sort of expressing who they are, and that's why the Rebbe goes through the whole ‹foreign language›. The Fabregas you were talking about, the ‹foreign language›, the ‹foreign language› that I've explained there. There's a number of Sichas like that. Yeah. I, I would imagine that's the Rebbe's chidush. But how many Hadranim are there? Yeah. The Rashi Sichas is like ‹foreign language›.

1:29:37 Speaker 4 It was every week.

1:29:38 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:29:39 Speaker 4 I mean, a-another Inyan, like you mentioned before, that by the Rebbe you can basically choose which, uh, which thing talks to you the most. I mean, you see that in one Fabrengen. I don't know, Shabbas, like a Fabrengen, there's, there's the first two Sichas is one Inyan, and there's the Rashi Sichas is a different Inyan. Then, uh, you know, and there might be somebody that, uh, you know, you said that the Rebbe said, "Why all of a sudden is everyone listening when I speak about Inya-Inyana Ha'Olam?" But there's someone that, uh, gets very attached to the Rebbe Sicha on Shlomo Saris. I mean, this is also part of the Rebbe's outlook. It's part of the Rebbe's view. That's why the Rebbe spent time talking about it, obviously. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's a different... It's different, but it's, um-

1:30:25 Speaker 1 Not, not only that, the Rebbe said a story for some people. He said a, a, a ‹foreign language› for some people. A ‹foreign language› for some people. The first time I had to dash in somewhere, I asked somebody advice. He says, "Try to do like the Rebbe. Try in your ten minutes to say something that everybody will like." One guy likes a joke, say a joke. One like-- And like this, you, you get the crowd. I mean, it's difficult, obviously. But, uh, yeah, 100%. There are some people who stood by Fabrengen and didn't understand a word of Yiddish, and the Rebbe made with his hand. Uh, there was a guy who stood next to him in Fabrengen, didn't understand a word of Yiddish. He would-- What the Rebbe would make with his hand, he would go crazy, and he would go, "Come on, Rabbi, get up. Get up already." This was this guy as the Rebbe stood up and danced.

1:31:06 Speaker 4 Yeah, this, this Fabrengen that we keep on referencing, you said the ‹foreign language›. In the middle of the Hadran, the Rebbe said a story of the ‹foreign language›. It, it was connected to the Seem, it's Berachos from Shem Olam. But like, the Rebbe just... And the Rebbe said, uh, ‹foreign language›.

1:31:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, the Rebbe said the story.

1:31:20 Speaker 4 He said the story, yeah.

1:31:21 Speaker 1 Story, yeah.

1:31:22 Speaker 4 Um, okay. And, um, okay. So, uh, I think, um, ‹foreign language› and that's it. That, that's, uh-

1:31:35 Speaker 1 Hundred percent. And with ‹foreign language›. You can't koch only in the Rebbe's Torah. I, I... You have to make sure that people u-understand that. You have to ‹foreign language›. The Rebbe expected his bochurim. He expected his bochurim. The Rebbe told Monkey Guzma in Yechidus, he said, "‹foreign language› Lubavitch." He said it in the Jamits interview. "‹foreign language› Lubavitch ‹foreign language›." By the Litvak, yes, you learn to become a godel, and, and it works. By us, we're not Litvak. The Rebbe said, "No, there are three reasons why we learn ‹foreign language›. Number one, to understand Chassidus. Number two, to ‹foreign language›. And number three is ‹foreign language›." This was the ‹foreign language›. The Rebbe literally needs us. Needs us because it's ‹foreign language›. Forget about the add some mitzvah in there, add some Torah, obviously. ‹foreign language› You want somebody else to learn a-

1:32:22 Speaker 4 Yeah. ‹foreign language› right?

1:32:24 Speaker 1 You, you also you need to be on the same page of what someone's trying to understand. If you don't learn, why should I learn your Chassidus if you don't learn a word? But you have to show that you know it. You don't have to be a gaon. You don't have to be Rosh Yeshiva. But you have to show that you're ‹foreign language›, that you, you're learning Torah, and you are ‹foreign language›. The Rebbe expected that from every single bocher. ‹foreign language› Till today, you need to fill out on whole. I filled them out all for the bochurim. You have to be able to have an Inyan, a Nigleh, an Inyan Chassidus to be able to... What do you need an Inyan Nigleh for? You're going to sell Seforim and you're going to put on Tefillin for Yid. No, that's how we're going to influence the Velt as with Torah. That was Mivtza Torah, but a whole another conversation, but that's very, very important. And, and the bottom line is, I have yet to see anyone that's a bokki and knows the Rebbe's Torah that's also an Amora. It's just, it's not possible. And they're not becoming only Talmidic coming from the Kodesh Sichos, which, by the way, will work as well. You-

1:33:14 Speaker 4 It's possible

1:33:14 Speaker 1 ... if you really focus. It's possible 'cause if you do the research on every single Sicha and know what the Rebbe is talking about, you will become a tremendous Talmid Chacham in and-- just in and of itself, which is a tremendous, a tremendous thing I remember I got heckled once. I once spoke to Bochum, speaking about the Ram. I

1:33:28 Speaker 4 I think, I think that's what the Rebbe said when he started the Takana, no?

1:33:46 Speaker 1 And of course, called Tirakula, Maarach Kal Yisroel.

1:33:50 Speaker 4 Mm-hmm.

1:33:50 Speaker 1 But anyways.

1:33:52 Speaker 4 Okay. Says Shekeach, Rabbi Shapiro.

1:33:54 Speaker 1 Shkodus teves, akud yonteves, shonateves, tikoseves, vesechosemo, bolim adach sidis, ubedarke ach sidis, botikoseves, vesechosemo.

1:34:02 Speaker 4 Amen.

1:34:02 Speaker 1 By the way, while I'm on that subject, I'll just add a little plug over here. So it says in Sefer Menhogim that our minhag is not to say, "Lashonateves, bolash rabim, tikoseves, vesechosemo." You say, "Tikoseves, vesechosem," like the Alter Rebbe wrote in the siddur. But here it says, "Tikoseves, vesechosemo." The answer is poshet. What the Rebbe meant is we don't say to a chosheve Yid, "Ir zol tobna agutior, tikoseves." But when you're speaking to a rabim, you takase tikosevu. And I think when the Rebbe spoke to the women before yontif, he would say, "Tikosevi, vesechosemi." Although that's what you're supposed to say. It doesn't say it in the siddur. So obviously, when you speak to a rabim, you say, "Tikosev." When you speak to a yocheid, even if he's a chosheve Yid, you don't say, "Ir zol tobna agutior," and "Lashonateves, tikoseves, vesechosemo."

1:34:42 Speaker 4 Yeah.

1:34:42 Speaker 1 And another, just a note, just a note. It says, "Belim adach sidin, sidis, ubedarke ach sidis." It doesn't specifically say, "Darke ach sidim." Now, there are places that it does say, "Darke ach sidim," but you have to make sure that whatever the darke ach sidim that you're trying to emulate should be in sync with darke ach sidis. That's just a, a point.

1:34:58 Speaker 4 There, there's a lashon that the Rebbe used a lot in the fablingens, I think in the earliers especially, uh, "Behadrakhe seha o min vogueha."

1:35:06 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

1:35:07 Speaker 4 So that's like, darke ach sidis means hadrakhe seha o min vogueha.

1:35:11 Speaker 1 Of, of what? Of, of the sidis, yeah.

1:35:13 Speaker 4 Of, of sidis. Okay, yeah.

1:35:15 Speaker 1 Shabarat shivante, shkodus teves, sheva lot of atslocha, kol tov.

1:35:17 Speaker 4 Amen.