Ep. 1: Directly from the Rebbe with Rabbi Mendel Mishulovin

00:03 Speaker 1 I'm Yossi Kamen. Welcome to Among Chassidim by Der Her, an ongoing farbrengen about life as a Chassid, our vibrant connection with the Rebbe, and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. Okay, Mendel, how are you? Good to see you again. I think I saw you last time by the, uh, by your big speech by the idol, uh, Yud Alf Nisan. Although I'm told that if I wanna actually, you know-

00:31 Speaker 2 Royen

00:31 Speaker 1 ... be in the crowd.

00:33 Speaker 2 It was royen as hanishma.

00:36 Speaker 1 Right. Because I saw you speaking, but tho-those that watched it the, via the live stream, I think were able to listen better. It's hard to listen in a, in a crowd for some reason.

00:45 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Um-

00:51 Speaker 1 It was a good experience for you?

00:54 Speaker 2 I'm not used to such a ispraken for a Chassidishe farbrengen.

00:59 Speaker 1 Experience? Today it's very popular. Everyone's into experiences. You know, I had, I had experience.

01:08 Speaker 2 Um, whatever. The Chassid words from Torah shebeksav, from Torah shebe'al peh, and, uh, chassidis-

01:20 Speaker 1 Or you could say, uh, like the Rebbe said, I think in Yud Alf Nisan lamed zayin, that everything that we're saying here is other from taten, other from schwer. In Sederain. I think it's from Chaim HaSederain. So it's, uh-

01:32 Speaker 2 Yeah

01:32 Speaker 1 ... you say, you say you try to do the same thing.

01:37 Speaker 2 Yeah. Somebody mentioned the la- um, the last few days that one of the nice things about, uh, with Schoenbert, with Schoenbert Lipskier is he says he was s- he says the words of Torah, but in English. He wasn't-- He didn't reint- reinterpret it or he didn't, wasn't malbush it in all his, um... Not all his, in, in, uh, in, in, uh, ma- whatever. Gets-

02:11 Speaker 1 You're say- you're saying he didn't-

02:12 Speaker 2 He didn't-

02:12 Speaker 1 He didn't figure out how to say it. He just said it in English. I, I think I mentioned this-

02:18 Speaker 2 Yeah

02:18 Speaker 1 ... I don't know if to you or to one of our groups, but I think, uh, I have... I found a dogma of this, the way he did this was great. Schoenbert Lipskier, bacham, very inspired about, uh, from him. Mekubal of Mekubal Taamim. I mean, he had connection with him with, uh, the Her but, uh, just bachal as a person. Um, he-- So Jerry Levine, the famous Jerry Levine from Chanukah Live, he lives in Bal Harbour. I mean, that's his whole thing. He was the director of Aleph Institute, uh, at one point. That's, I think that's how he got involved in the whole Chanukah Live. So he b- Jerry Levine posted a video of the shul in Bal Harbour. I think, I think it's like when they, when they were finishing, like when they were opening or like he created like a film. So they... So I think this was in the... When we interviewed Schoenbert Lipskier in the, the Her. I think it's in there. Maybe I'm wrong. But, um, when he was writing about opening the shul or starting the shlichas in Surfside, in Bal Harbour, he got an answer from the Rebbe, "Nachin ha'davar."

03:18 Speaker 2 Yeah.

03:18 Speaker 1 Okay. So most pe- m- most people would be like, "Okay, I got an answer from the Rebbe, positive." Or, or they say, "The Rebbe says nachin ha'davar."

03:26 Speaker 2 Approved.

03:26 Speaker 1 Yeah, approved. Now, Schoenbert Lipskier is speaking on this video that Jerry Levine posts, and he says, "This shul, this all..." It's a few months after Gamara Tamuz. I'm not sure, like we're right around then. And he says, "This whole shul is the inspiration of the Rebbe, and it's all from the Rebbe's blessings. The Rebbe told us that this shul is a good idea." Now I'm thinking I know the background that, that the Rebbe told him, "Nachin ha'davar." But no, no. It's a good idea. First of all, he takes it literal. Secondly, he says it in English. And third of all, he, he imparts that with, with the, with his kehillah. You know, it's a good... Like, right. So it's like, it's like what you're saying.

03:58 Speaker 2 If you look at the, the, the English letters of the Rebbe, chlal, stuff the Rebbe wrote in English, a lot of times the Rebbe is also very close to the Hebrew text. The Rebbe's, like, translating. A proper translation, not the, not, not literal. Um, but, uh, that's what the... A lot of times the Rebbe will, the Rebbe will have-- the letters will be like that as well.

04:21 Speaker 1 It's true. I actually-

04:22 Speaker 2 Just giving, giving over dwar Hashem in English, basically.

04:25 Speaker 1 Yeah. I basically h- I, um, l'chayim every morning I learn, uh, letters from the Rebbe in English for Shacharis, two letters, and it's very much-

04:34 Speaker 2 Where do you, where do you, where do you have it? Where do you learn?

04:36 Speaker 1 I, I'm on a WhatsApp group, uh, I think Rebbe response. So they send, they send every day, uh, like a PDF of two letters. And, um, every... It's partially what, what you're saying. Like, there's so many things that, like, the Rebbe like... It's not just like a pasuk that the Rebbe says in English. I have that too. The Rebbe j- there, there will be, like, a, a quote from a pasuk in, in, in, you know, in like a translation. But that, it's like the archaic translation. No, I'm talking about the other things. I don't know, the way the Rebbe writes and every way the Rebbe speaks just in, in, in English, but it's the same thing. The same thing applies. It's just, just, just in English.

05:08 Speaker 2 So n-now I'm klar in the brain a little, a little. So what's the... Why the Rebbe can't repackage it? That's the word I was looking for, packaging. What... Why, why does, why does the Rebbe insist on doing that? What's, what's the... What's, what, what's the point? And I think, uliash Shlomo, people, at the end of the day, they, they are... What's going to have an impact on them? What are they gonna think about more? Not necessarily something that it has a great m- a great muscle or something with a great, a beaut- a more, more modern relatable language. That isn't necessarily what is going to have a bigger impact on them or that they're gonna think about more. Yeah, it sounds better for the person who came up with the new w-w-was, came up with it Uh, they came up with a new, a new chap for the, for their weekly email.

06:09 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

06:09 Speaker 2 But lapoil, what impact is it-- what-- how, how, how are the people gonna take it? Lav davka it's more effective, chalo. Uh-

06:20 Speaker 1 Y-if-- Are you saying that in order to differentiate between any, you know, pop culture like, you know, the pop psychology, we don't need that. That's not where-- that's not what our-- will be contribute to the world. We contribute Torah. So we're just-- we're gonna say it in English-

06:35 Speaker 2 In other words, in other words, like take, take like a Moshel, the book about, the book about the Rebbe. Uh, you also-

06:40 Speaker 1 Which book?

06:41 Speaker 2 Joseph Telushkin's book.

06:42 Speaker 1 Ah.

06:43 Speaker 2 Rebbe.

06:43 Speaker 1 Telushkin, yeah.

06:44 Speaker 2 It's, uh, it's nine union. Um-

06:47 Speaker 1 I had, I had very little to do with it, but I had some, some... Okay, go ahead.

06:50 Speaker 2 I thought so. I thought so, yeah.

06:53 Speaker 1 Yeah.

06:53 Speaker 2 So I think it's-- that's-- that book is not, it's not gonna repackage stuff. That's poshi-- it deals with a lighter side. It deals with stories about the Rebbe. It gives over a lot of yomim of the Rebbe through, um, through anecdotes, through interactions. So that-- there's, there's truth to that. There's, you know, there's sichas hamamorn. There's where-- there's, there's a, there's an area where it's more, uh, a light, a m- a little lighter, and there's ar- then, then comes a point where you're gonna give over heavier stuff, deeper things, more fundamental things. It's going-- the cr-- you're g- you're gon- you're gonna grab a loshenes. You're gonna lose some of the crowd. You're gonna lose some of the crowd when you start dealing with that. But at the end of the day, repackaging it, uh, is not, is not, uh-

07:43 Speaker 1 It's interesting. I have, um, besides, uh, the Haredis, uh, everything in my life, but besides that, I also live in, uh, Stanford, Connecticut, and, uh-

07:52 Speaker 2 Yeah

07:52 Speaker 1 ... in the Kehilla, shlichas over here. So there's a yid that I became very close with that, um, the first time I met him, he never heard of the Rebbe. He knew, like he connected afterwards that there was bachurim. They would come to his office to do print film, but never connected or knew what's going on. But he never heard of the Rebbe, basically. By now, he's, uh, calling me and telling me, "Let's go to the aisle tonight," you know. But, uh, it's time to see the Rebbe, you know, he tells me. So I started off with him. The first thing... You know, "You never heard of the Rebbe? Take this book." I gave him Telushkin. He read the whole thing from cover to cover. He was floored. He was blown away, et cetera. But, I mean, that-- I felt like that was the introduction because I started giving... I always give him books. He reads every morning with his coffee. He reads something from the Rebbe.

08:34 Speaker 2 Yeah.

08:34 Speaker 1 Well, I gave him certain books. I'm not gonna mention which books I gave him that he didn't like. The, the repackaged ones, he wasn't so into. I gave him like the, the, the, the book from Kohas, all the Rebbe's chav and klalim in English. He loved it.

08:48 Speaker 2 Yeah.

08:49 Speaker 1 I gave him, um-

08:50 Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a, that's a perfect example

08:51 Speaker 1 ... I gave him Sichas in English. He loved that.

08:58 Speaker 2 In ander vater medav, bring in the... What's the loshon? You have to bring the, bring the, the cow to the water. Bring the animal to the water. Not the, not, not, not always bringing the, the, the... Bringish the brunim to the, to the, to the fe- to the animal because not just because you wanna make pe- it's not... The point is not to make people have to work harder to get Devar Hashem. The point is, do you wanna be meifetz mayonis? Like the Rebbe always says, "Neve zein davka demayonis." Not, not even me mayonis. Veretnoch, if you're not even bringing them me mayonis, you're bringing them something that looks like me mayonis. Y-you're not bringing them Devar Hashem. It's not gonna have the pull of, of, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, the word of the, of, of a Rebbe on them. It's not g- it's not gonna bring Mashiach. I mean, it's, it's not... It sounds good. It sounds good to the people, someone who came up with it. Maybe the person who listens to it is impressed with the language, but it's not gonna have, it's not going to have the pula, period. You were saying about Sh- uh, Shonberg Lipsker about, um, saying how this is all the Rebbe's idea.

10:05 Speaker 1 Yeah.

10:06 Speaker 2 Also, you see from there, um, that a real Hasid wants to attribute everything to the Rebbe. He's not, uh, he's he's not worried about, uh, about getting the, get-getting credit.

10:23 Speaker 1 I once, I once... I was in, a staff member in Parksville. So I went over to, uh, Rabbi Moshemtev one night, and he was, uh, you know, in the center over there outside the Beth. So I asked him, "Does Yocheved Kala come?" Because I said, "Ask, uh, ask, uh, Moshemtev, 'Can you tell us, like, how did Yocheved Kala start? What's the story behind it?'" He was very appreciative that I'm asking. So I asked him, "Was your idea or this, or is it for them? Is it Maimon or Matel?" He was like, "What's, what's... That's not the po-- what's the point?" He didn't wanna answer. I think I, in, in the history, I learned later that he was a hatsar, that he gave to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe released Mekabel. That's not the point. Like, it's the Rebbe's inyan. The heshtalshtus, how that happened, that I, I might have rele- he didn't even wanna tell me. He didn't answer the question properly.

11:12 Speaker 2 You remember when you did that, uh, panel, like bringing the guys who worked on, like, Bim parades?

11:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. Hildal Krinsky and, uh, who else? I forgot. Who else was on it? Uh, yeah, yeah, I remember.

11:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, the whole Elam.

11:23 Speaker 1 Yeah.

11:23 Speaker 2 So one of the guys there-- I'm speaking slow. It's gonna have to be sped up eventually. No, no. One of the guys, he said, Maim Zayin, he said that they used to... They worked every year so hard, and, uh, Yankel Echt, uh, was the f-- got all the credit and was the face of it. Grada, somebody told me one of, uh, one of, you know, in Beis Rebbe, he brings-- whenever he brings on the kapusteh, he writes, "Echad, echad me, echad me, um, harabanim nechtei, nechtei ha, uh, nechtei hagoen, nechtei hagoen hamachav," or something like that. Anyways. He has like a, a code name for the c- for the Kopel state. He doesn't, he doesn't bring, he doesn't bring the Eyniklech of the Tzemach Tzedek by name because of-

12:16 Speaker 1 Yeah

12:16 Speaker 2 ... it was too, uh, at least f- at least for him it was too political to mention names.

12:19 Speaker 1 But wasn't he involved in that? Bach- uh, Bachofsky, I'm saying wasn't, wasn't Bisrebi like the-

12:22 Speaker 2 Bachofsky's not Bisrebi. Bisrebi is Hillman.

12:25 Speaker 1 Oh. So but he was a Hasid of the Marash?

12:28 Speaker 2 No, no, he was a Hasid of the Kopelster. Bachofsky was a Hasid of the Liadir.

12:35 Speaker 1 So he didn't wanna get involved in the whole thing, basically.

12:37 Speaker 2 He didn't wanna get involved-

12:38 Speaker 1 Okay

12:38 Speaker 2 ... and he wanted, he wanted the, the book to be accepted and to be, uh, uh... He didn't want it to be burned in anyone's homes, so.

12:44 Speaker 1 Right. So he, he kept it neutral. Okay.

12:46 Speaker 2 "Echad, echad, echad mi-nechte, uh, uh, uh, Harav," uh, he always writes when he wants to talk about the, uh... Usually it's on the Kopelster. He does have, by the way, he did come to Lubavitch, and he did get some information from the Rebbe, uh, from the Rebbe Rashab about the Marash. Uh, "Shamanu, k'shainu b'Lubavitch." And he even writes in his Agada that, that, that, that we were ac- we were, we were well accepted even in, in other Chassidis of the Tzemach Tzedek's Eyniklech. He, uh, he, um... Clearly, uh, the, the, the Rebbe, the Rebbe relies on him as a, as a, uh, a expert source. Al tredje, because he was a few generations removed, sometimes his information's a little bit off.

13:29 Speaker 1 Yeah.

13:29 Speaker 2 But as far as Tzemach Tzedek goes, he's a-

13:30 Speaker 1 I mean, uh, the Rebbe wanted to be printed like us, the Bisrebi. They didn't-

13:34 Speaker 2 Yeah, of course.

13:35 Speaker 1 So what did he say? So what is he saying, though?

13:38 Speaker 2 I already said, I'm saying, "Echad me and me, uh, me, uh..." You know, like, uh, Trump says about the weave. Can't say the weave.

13:45 Speaker 1 Yeah, the weave. Yeah.

13:46 Speaker 2 To actually get back to it.

13:47 Speaker 1 Oh, so you're doing the weave. Okay. That's good.

13:49 Speaker 2 Right. It wasn't, it wasn't going... So-

13:51 Speaker 1 I think he also says as long as you get back to it. Yeah.

13:54 Speaker 2 So, um, one of, one of, uh, Berel Chanta's grandchildren, echad ha- I mean, nechte, uh, uh, Berel-

14:01 Speaker 1 Ha- habesht

14:02 Speaker 2 ... um, said that actually, Toshon Yud Gimel... Not Yud Gimel, he wasn't there yet in Yud Gimel. Toshon Tezin, he or he, he was the m- he was the main person to... He was the main one arranging the-

14:18 Speaker 1 Like Rebbe parade.

14:19 Speaker 2 It wasn't a parade, Toshon Tezin. It was a-

14:21 Speaker 1 Like a rally. Yeah.

14:23 Speaker 2 And, uh, after, uh, JJ saw how big of a deal it is, he decided that the next following year, Toshon Yud Zin, this is one drama, right? Tochak Beimer.

14:33 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

14:33 Speaker 2 Toshin Yud Zin was the first parade, so he wanted to be, uh, he wanted to be the face of it after he saw it was worthwhile. Is, is it... Are we allowed to mention these names in this context or?

14:45 Speaker 1 I think names are fine as long as we're not saying real Lashon Hara.

14:48 Speaker 2 Gam sinasam, gam kinasam of them. Yeah, at this point, I, I don't think there's any, any, uh-

14:53 Speaker 1 Yeah

14:53 Speaker 2 ... I don't think there's any friction between those families p- in particular. Anyways, so, uh, so j- so he said, so JJ said, "I'm, I'm gonna be running the... I'm gonna be talking, running the... I'm seeing the, the parade." He says, "Who are you? I never heard of you." Anyways, kitzu. So he asked Chadakov if JJ is in charge of this whole thing. So ap- apparently JJ, uh, yeah, Chadakov asked the Rebbe, and the Rebbe says, "Dispertem, put him over there," and I, and he never took away his pos- his jo- he never took away his, uh, position, so he's still in charge. Anyway, so Mayoz, he was the, uh-

15:31 Speaker 1 That's, uh... Okay

15:31 Speaker 2 ... let me see. I think there was this i- issue with him and Yossi Goldstein, Toshon Tov Gimel, right?

15:36 Speaker 1 Yeah, there was part of the, the Rebbe didn't come out to the parade there. I think it was connected to that.

15:40 Speaker 2 Because, uh-

15:41 Speaker 1 So I heard once. I don't know. Yeah.

15:43 Speaker 2 Tov Gimel-

15:43 Speaker 1 So, so what are you saying about... You're saying about the panel-

15:44 Speaker 2 Anyway, so, so, so basically, one of the guys, he was saying about finally, uh, Mamzayan, they still, they were feeling good because, 'cause JJ was started thanking all the bachurim-

15:55 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah

15:56 Speaker 2 ... and, uh, and then right away the Rebbe cut him off and said, "Especially the, the boy-

16:01 Speaker 1 Yeah

16:01 Speaker 2 ... especially the children, the boys and the girls-"

16:03 Speaker 1 Especially the children, the boys and the girls.

16:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. But obviously Yakov came in, so I just got over with it.

16:08 Speaker 1 And that was the middle while JJ was thinking, "Okay, so what, so-"

16:11 Speaker 2 The Rebbe cut... Listen, the Rebbe cuts him off.

16:13 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

16:14 Speaker 2 If, if you only know the clip from, uh, what's Talger's video called? Hand in hand.

16:20 Speaker 1 Yeah.

16:20 Speaker 2 Then they start off-

16:21 Speaker 1 Ah, then, then it starts off at that. But if you watch the-

16:23 Speaker 2 But if you watch, but this is the thread. The Rebbe cut, cut, cuts in, and he was like, he's trying to have a whole chiduv. What, what, what the Rebbe, what lesson the Rebbe wanted to teach us by, by, by basically by not really letting them get their f- their five minutes of fame.

16:38 Speaker 1 Right.

16:38 Speaker 2 "I mean, this is just shaila bachlah. What, what do you mean? Y- y- y- it's, it's, if I... There are scores that you were able to be, to be part of the thread. You're a little, you're a little bachur. I mean, what, what, what, what, what, what exactly do you... Yeah, of course. Uh, there has to be someone getting the kids. There has to be someone building the float, someone setting up the props. But now, now you're gonna say like, "The Rebbe spoke for an hour, you know, he spoke to the kids, but then, you know, without us, there would be really no one for the Rebbe to speak to." I mean, w- who would say something like that? I mean, he wouldn't say... The, the gentleman wouldn't say that either, but I'm saying that the concept, he worked hard. There's no question. But, um-

17:19 Speaker 1 So you, you reminded me that, um, I was recently going through my old voice memos. I don't know. It's an activity. You should try that one day. I found some good eight tracks over there from, from a few years ago. Anyhow, different people that I spoke to, you know, for the hair related work. So one, one of them is, um, a phone ca- phone conversation I had with, uh, Rabbi Guerrier, Y- Yossi Guerrier in Detroit, and we're with, uh, Benji Pearson, David Askins' Eynikle.

17:48 Speaker 2 Yeah.

17:49 Speaker 1 So he was... So I don't even know what it was for. Maybe it was for an article. Maybe it was Tamazut. So he was, uh, Rabbi Guerrier was explaining the, theacuda of David Askins. So he says to the Rebbe... I, I don't remember exactly the story, but someone told David Askins to go down because there's, uh, a, a farstelt, you know, he's blocking.

18:09 Speaker 2 Yeah.

18:09 Speaker 1 And the Rebbe said, "David is Nish Masdit." You know the story that I'm talking about?

18:13 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:14 Speaker 1 I think it's... If I'm, if I'm saying it wrong, correct me. So Rabbi Ber is going with the whole beard. D- Davin his Nishmas, he's explaining the Peirush this in Samach Vov, so Evan Nemun, and there's a Evan Pashut. And Evan Nemun, it's great. But Evan Pashut, right, Evan Pashut's higher, right? So, um, his Nishmas, the, the, the highest thing you can say about a Hasid is that his whole opinion is that he's a conduit for the Rebbe Zenyonym. Yeah, T- Taka you have your own Chushim and you have your own, uh, Rebbe Machvarim, which is Hagidim and, and the Rebbe. That's why the Rebbe needs the Shliach to, to, to do the work, the Ma'aseh B'pela. But the Hechsher Darga is that you're not master Bechal, you're not master of the Rebbe, you're, you're a gui of the Rebbe. So...

19:02 Speaker 2 Yeah. So it was, uh, Megedet Yad Avnis and a little bit on this, uh, Nekudah about the, a, a drop of water that reflects the sun. It's interesting in, in Sinachav Zion, in Megedet Zakedesh, one of the... I think in the... It's... Well, maybe in the Bier, in the first one, he says that the, um, the Tzadik is like the sun that gives light to sh- six hundred thousand stars. That's, that's how he, that's how he describes a Nasi in that, uh, uh, over there. So what-- It's a similar, it's a similar opinion that every, every Hasid is a star. I mean, he's not Shaila. A star is a, uh, is a, is a big opinion. It says in, it says HaYom Yom even that every year there's a, is a s- is a, is a Keivav Bashemayim. I mean, it's like this is what... In the Bible, it says that God said the Jewish people will be like the stars. So it's, uh, it goes back a little bit. So, um, a star is, is HaYom Yom even, that every year there's enough light to be made of the whole world. But where does the st- where does the star get his light from? He gets it from the s- from the sun. If the star decides to do his own thing, nothing, nobody will see him, and he, he's not gonna give light. He won't give any light. This is... Will be, will, there will-- noth- nothing will come from that. Um, sa-

20:33 Speaker 2 same Nekudah here is that, uh, there's no, uh... I was even thinking, Chav Ches Nissan. What's the lotion? What does the Rebbe say? Um, Ich gi- ich gi- what?

20:51 Speaker 1 Ich gibis ibe yaden fun aykh. That lotion.

20:53 Speaker 2 Gibis ibe, yeah. Ich gibis ibe yaden fun aykh. What does that mean, literally? I mean, it's the same, similar Nekudah to the Kesav ves Yoheves, but I'm giving it to you. So the Rebbe's giving it to you. It's not, you're not, it's not Pshat that now, uh, the Rebbe could no longer do it, and now he needs you to take over. He's giving it to you. What does it mean he's giving it to you? That means if he doesn't give it to you, you don't have it. So if you have it, it's because he gave it to you. And if you still have it, it's because he continues giving it to you.

21:25 Speaker 1 So, so you sit-- I don't understand. So you're saying it's the, it's Be'ezan the Rebbe's.

21:30 Speaker 2 It's Be'ezan the Rebbe's. And whatever you do have is because the Rebbe's giving it to you.

21:35 Speaker 1 But wasn't the Rebbe's point there that stop relying on me, on one person-

21:41 Speaker 2 Fine

21:41 Speaker 1 ... to Neguev every single, every single year? That's been Moshiach. Isn't it, wasn't that the Rebbe's point?

21:46 Speaker 2 You're obviously doing something.

21:47 Speaker 1 But it's, but it's the wrong.

21:48 Speaker 2 You have to do it.

21:49 Speaker 1 Chasidim, Chasidim had a hard time. I just saw a clip. Uh, he saw-- There was like an Hasidut on '79, I think. So Hashem then gets up. The Rebbe give the Sibir, Rebbe give the Sidik. Like, like I forgot the exactly what he said, but like, like, "No, we're not accepting it." So yeah.

22:02 Speaker 2 It's a funny story. U- unrelated to the Mamish, but, um, what's his name? Uh, the f- the father of the, of the Hecht. Shia Hecht. Shia Hecht came to the Rebbe, uh, ps, uh, three weeks after Yutrat Tofshin Yud. And he came with a Kvitel to give to the Rebbe. So the Rebbe says, gate, to go to the, to get, to go to the Frizer Rebbe's room and put it on the desk.

22:38 Speaker 1 Cabinet.

22:39 Speaker 2 He was like, "No, I wanna come with Kamlet then."

22:40 Speaker 1 The Rebbe wrote, it said, it said, "Yeah, the cabinet." No, the Rebbe said that, "I, Karasi, Valatzin, the cabinet." The, the Frizer Rebbe's room is the cabinet.

22:49 Speaker 2 So, so Shia Hecht said, "Rebbe, ich bin, ich bin a Galatzianer. Mi veis nish fun keine Tishin. Mi, we hoben, we hoben nor the Rebbe. We only give Kvitel to Rebbes." He said the Rebbe took it from him.

23:01 Speaker 1 Mm.

23:04 Speaker 2 Anyways. So, uh, yeah, I kinda, I, I understand why, uh, what you're saying about Chav Ches Nissan, but I-

23:12 Speaker 1 No, so you're, you're, you're saying that, you're saying, you're saying the Rebbe's not giving it over. The, the Rebbe givens the, the, the kayak or the, the ability or the opportunity to do it, something like that.

23:26 Speaker 2 What if... Let's say-

23:30 Speaker 1 I was, I was-

23:31 Speaker 2 The wa- the way, the way some people understand this-

23:33 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm

23:33 Speaker 2 ... is that, "Nezer, the Rebbe tried as hard as he could, and, you know, he accomplished whatever he accomplished, and now, uh, the, it wasn't enough. So now everyone has to give it their shot," basically.

23:46 Speaker 1 Right. So I, I-- Let, let... Tell me-

23:48 Speaker 2 It's not their sh- it's not their shot.

23:50 Speaker 1 Te- tell, tell me, tell me... I'm gonna say what I, what I think, and tell me if this is, uh, aligned.

23:56 Speaker 2 Yeah.

23:56 Speaker 1 To me, the Rebbe's saying very simple, "I'm being Marish and tumbling about Moshiach, Fatson the Kiar and the Flat and the Letzion, and I'm, and hello, I'm not talking to a wall. I mean it seriously. Z-- Stop looking for me for inspiration because I mean it seriously, so get to work. Let's go." The Rebbe, the Rebbe's saying, "Enough of getting-- li- listening to me talking about it and therefore mirroring. Actually take it for real. N- now make it yours."

24:28 Speaker 2 Yeah.

24:29 Speaker 1 Is that the same thing?

24:30 Speaker 2 Ich gibis, ich gibis yaden fun aykh.

24:34 Speaker 1 Meaning?

24:35 Speaker 2 He's clarifying that what I meant all the time is that-

24:36 Speaker 1 The, the last thing the Rebbe wants to do-

24:38 Speaker 2 So you're, you're saying, okay-

24:39 Speaker 1 The la- the last thing the Rebbe wants is, you know, Karasi Ve'ein Eino, Herad and Heferd and Hochstad and Hochstad and Hochstad, and, and, and, and no one's with me. The Rebbe wants people to be with him. The, the, the Rebbe's, the Rebbe's picking up the... Hey, look, the Rebbe looks at us. The Rebbe doesn't talk down.

24:56 Speaker 2 Yeah.

24:56 Speaker 1 The Rebbe, the Rebbe assumes because the Rebbe's a nasi adeid and, you know, the, the, the Rebbe's putting us in assuming that Sodom is Remez Tzedek, and he's talking to us about real things. Let's say about Moshiach, right? So the Rebbe, like you said-

25:11 Speaker 2 Yeah, I understand. You're touching, you're touching basically. Ich gibis ye- ye- yaden funmeans that I've meant, I actually meant that all of you should actually care about this also. I never-- I didn't just mean that you guys should, should, should sing to me when I, when I, when I, when I, when I talk about how much I care about it.

25:30 Speaker 1 Right.

25:30 Speaker 2 I never wanted them to sing also, but I'm saying... The rebbe is saying, you're saying the rebbe is clarifying that I, I... In other words, uh, where you use that, uh, that every person then in every single person has, has the responsibility.

25:45 Speaker 1 I think so. I mean, uh, uh, that's, that's the way I understand it.

25:48 Speaker 2 That's fine. That's for sure, that's for sure true as well.

25:51 Speaker 1 But you're saying something different. You're saying that it's

25:54 Speaker 2 I'm just being...

25:58 Speaker 1 Okay. That's it.

26:01 Speaker 2 In other words, this is not you're gonna do the best that you can now. I'm giving you something, and I'm, I want you to be responsible to do, to do the task that I'm giving you. But, and a task is the wrong word. I'm giving, I'm giving you something, and I want you to, to do something with that. Everything we have is from the and he asks us to do mitzvahs with it.

26:31 Speaker 1 Right.

26:32 Speaker 2 It's, it's, uh-

26:35 Speaker 1 So if we-

26:35 Speaker 2 It's a

26:38 Speaker 1 So I think it's connected. It's, it's the same thing. Yeah. Well, uh, so you, you mentioned Taluskin, so we'll go on that track for a minute.

26:46 Speaker 2 Okay.

26:47 Speaker 1 So Jem made a video for, uh, for 20 years for the . So they made like... They were trying to like talk to a very, I don't know, secular audience or like to bring... So they had all these characters there. One of the people they had was half of them are not politically correct anymore, so they, if they would pro- reproduce it, they probably would, uh, change it. But, uh, one of them was Alan Dershowitz.

27:08 Speaker 2 I was gonna say Alan Dershowitz, yeah.

27:10 Speaker 1 So, uh, so Alan Dershowitz says a vort there, says the rebbe is not a typical leader that you think of. You know, most leaders I think he says have a power of the purse or the power of the sword. The rebbe is just there to teach.

27:22 Speaker 2 Power of persuasion.

27:24 Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's the rebbe's teachings that makes the, the, the Lubavitch movement. So I think that's, you know, pe- people think... I was just discussing with this, with somebody the other day, that people think that outside of Lubavitch... Uh, on Shabbos I was talking to someone. Outside of Lubavitch, the way we portray the rebbe to the, to the velt, you know, the reviving the world after the Holocaust and all this ashiness that we use, someone might think if the rebbe was pashut a CEO sitting with, you know, the, the, the executives and maskitus and, uh, with a map, you know, h- strategizing how we're going to conquer the world and take over Lubavitch here. It's not... I mean, they were heroes.

28:04 Speaker 2 You know Harry Fogelman, Harry Fogelman's, uh, The rebbe was sitting in the small zal. He said,

28:17 Speaker 1 Yeah.

28:20 Speaker 2 So I don't know if it was a strategy or it was a vision, but there was a...

28:24 Speaker 1 But, uh-

28:24 Speaker 2 The rebbe, the rebbe did have a map, no? Of all the... There was a-

28:27 Speaker 1 Yeah. So these things, there was elements of these things, but it's not, it's not the method. The method is like, you know... A lot of people don't under- if they don't know what a rebbe is, they don't understand. You know, you were close to the rebbe. Close to the rebbe. Like I was the rebbe. So like it, it's... This goes back to the original thing. is to try to... You know, there's an old, a old Hasidic saying pre, uh, pre . This was a very popular thing by old Russian Hasidim. It's I'm sure you've heard of this expression.

29:03 Speaker 2 Yeah. Zal, Zalman Moshé I think is officially-

29:05 Speaker 1 I think maybe, maybe he, uh, he said it a lot. Yeah. What does that mean? Accurately. Act, we should know the rebbe accurately. But whatever, the point is that it's a the Hasidim want to, to... So the to the rebbe . Because... So and that, that's exactly what it is. It, it, the rebbe is the the rebbe is representing Torah, representing Yiddishkeit, and telling us how to, you know,

29:32 Speaker 2 So in other words, you're saying reflecting the rebbe is the best... That's the way to . It's just you have to... There, there's no part of you that's on what the rebbe and what the rebbe stands for.

29:43 Speaker 1 I mean, I, I, I think this is why the rebbe spoke about issues by, by fabringins. You know, why did the rebbe speak about, I don't know, by fabringins?

29:50 Speaker 2 Yeah.

29:50 Speaker 1 Could have just, uh, told the maskitus to give a message over to, to, to the prime minister or to the ambassador or, or whatever, or tell them straight directly when they came to the rebbe in Yechid or whatever. Why did they have to speak about it by fabring? I think-

30:02 Speaker 2 Yeah

30:02 Speaker 1 ... the rebbe needs... The rebbe-

30:04 Speaker 2 That's actually a good vort. It's actually good. Sam, we'll get back to that in a second, but there's a, there's Chaskel Besser says that the Beis, the Beis Yisroel actually he was a Ger Hasid I think or wanna be Ger Hasid. Remind me to talk about Hasid Ger in a second. But kesher to that. Um, Chaskel Besser was by the Be-- or maybe he was just an askan. So he was asking, he was b- busy when he worked in Agudas, uh, Agudas Harabonim or Agudas Yisroel.

30:30 Speaker 1 Agudas Yisroel I think.

30:30 Speaker 2 Agudas Yisroel in America.

30:31 Speaker 1 Yeah.

30:32 Speaker 2 So the Beis, Beis Yisroel asked him, he knew that Chaskel goes to see the rebbe. He says, "Why, why does..." And I understand that the rebbe wants, has a... When was he around? When did he, when did he go? He died

30:49 Speaker 1 Oh.

30:49 Speaker 2 Beis Yisroel, Beis Yisroel died-

30:52 Speaker 1 Um.

30:52 Speaker 2 Um, um, he passed away what is it called? Around the Purim, around before Purim He passed. So there was a couple-- there was like a good amount of „Shleimus Ha'aretz" because maybe Miyudi was referring to perhaps... I don't remember the exact... I could check. I think it's a Gem interview even. So he said he-- Beis Yisroel asked Chatzkel, "Why, um, why does the Rebbe do this in public? Can't he just tell the Lubavitcher askanim to go talk to the Chabad knesset and work-- and work it out with them? Why does he have to do this in public? It's not covered. The Rebbe should sit there and scream about this stuff in public." So I think when it came back to the Rebbe, the Rebbe told him because he doesn't, paketh, he doesn't rely on the askanim because the askanim are gonna, are gonna, are going to distort things based on what's most beneficial to them, as they did in, in, uh, Tosh Nanun and Tosh Mem Tes, Menches, Mem Zion, whatever, Radbon and Marukim.

31:41 Speaker 1 Right.

31:42 Speaker 2 But, uh, deliberately, the Rebbe wanted, the Rebbe wanted the askanim to work on it. Obviously, a regular Bochur by Febriningen has no influence in, in the Knesset. But first of all, by saying it in public, the message got to a lot of people directly without askanim. And also, even if the askanim were working on it, um, they know they can't get away with distorting anything because Kol Olam Kule heard exactly what the Rebbe's words are. As the Rebbe tells-- There's even a bigeth Shleimus artist, actually, a minor. The Rebbe tells, um, uh, um, what's his name? Lipa Kurzweil, "Areyesh yesh tape mize." He wants to know what the Rebbe's shit down a certain inion is about Camp David. "Areyesh tape mize. Go listen to the tape." So, Shaila, that's why the Rebbe wanted it to be in public. Um, Stani's saying bedeget to the, to Chatzkel Besser, and I don't know if he's a Gere or not, but I was, "Achrena yichteh dich dermant." I mean, Yisroel Jacobson's book, he brings that the Rebbe said when he was in America, Tafri Sadiq, that there's three types of Hasidim. You know, you know this one?

32:41 Speaker 1 Yeah.

32:41 Speaker 2 Chassid Agasya.

32:42 Speaker 1 We, uh, it was recently printed in the head of this line. You were gonna say it.

32:45 Speaker 2 Oh, really? Chassid Agasya, Chassid Anusach, Chassid Chabad.

32:49 Speaker 1 Chassid Agasya is a negative thing in that context.

32:51 Speaker 2 Chassid Agasya, it's always a negative thing.

32:55 Speaker 1 No, I once saw a Sikhl if the Kleber talks very highly about the concept of, uh, yeah, but go on, you know.

33:03 Speaker 2 Yeah. Chassid Agasya is someone basically who they're, uh, they don't look like a Hasid, but they have, they have cha-chassidish blood. They have chassidish blood. So they, they've, they're, they come from Hasidim, so they, they have it. That's their shaychas to Hasid-- They, they come from Has-chassidish, from families of Hasidim. They feel a shaychas to Hasidim because, uh, it's their, their family heritage. Oh, they don't look like the Rebbe's Matan in Febrining is the guy who is in his office, has a picture of his grandfather with a beard.

33:29 Speaker 1 Of his, of his grandfather, yeah.

33:31 Speaker 2 Yeah. What is it? Is it, uh, it is Kislev Tosh Lamid?

33:37 Speaker 1 No, I think it's later. It's a video. So it's, uh, it has to be later. It's a, it's a, it's a Yubiz Kamas Febrining, I think.

33:44 Speaker 2 You ever listen, you ever re-listen to the... Do you know the story about the guy who, uh, he came to America, and his brother showed him around this big house?

33:52 Speaker 1 Yeah. The Rebbe said the story, yeah.

33:54 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Febrining. I think it's Tosh Lamid, Kislev, it's, uh... That was interesting too. When you listen to it when you're ten years old, you don't appreciate all the prattim.

34:03 Speaker 1 By the way, by the, by the way, I want ... The Rebbe speaks about the, the guy has a picture of his zeide in his office, right?

34:08 Speaker 2 Yeah.

34:09 Speaker 1 So I remember as a kid, I used to go mitzvatim to offices around Times Square. There was two guys. I didn't understand what it meant then. They were like modern Orthodox, but I, I was a kid from Crown Heights. I didn't know that, like, you cannot wear a yarmulke and work, but you're Frum. I didn't get the whole thing.

34:24 Speaker 2 Yeah.

34:24 Speaker 1 Only later in life I, I put two, two together. They were probably Frum, just whatever. So he was like s- he was like, uh, one of the guys was like, "Yeah, Lubavitch," whatever. You know, like, he'd scream at us sometimes. You know, he, he was a, like a CPA, so he goes, "Busy tax season," this and that.

34:38 Speaker 2 Yeah.

34:39 Speaker 1 But then one day, he called us at this office and, "Oh, I wanna show you something." And he come, he shows like the back. In the back of a shelf, he has a picture of the Rebbe hanging out, a picture from the Rebbe that he like cut out from the Agudath manager now. Like said the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Schlita. You know, and like, it's like stuck. I was like, "This is a Yid in Manhattan that always kicked us out of his office." But then one day when he brought us in, he's like, "By the way, he has a picture of the Rebbe in his, in his office." You know, so he's saying about the... Yeah, let's go back, you know.

35:08 Speaker 2 I forgot where we are.

35:10 Speaker 1 Chassid Agasya, Chatzkel Besser, Chatzkel.

35:12 Speaker 2 Oh. So Chassid Agasya is people or whatever. They're, they, they don't wanna necessarily have a beard. They don't look like Hasidim, but they, they feel a shaychas to Hasidim because it's their heritage. And then you have Chassid Anusach. They daven Nusach Ari. That's, that's the extent of their, uh, uh, membership in, in, in Chassid Chabad. And then you have Chassid Chabad, they actually learn Chassidus. They're, they're, they, they, they follow the Rebbe's Halachas. So I was thinking, I have to come in, uh, eintaitchen today. We have, uh, you have Chassid-- people who they're shaychas to Chabad is 'cause they were born to a Chabad family. They didn't necessarily ever, uh, investigate what that means or why they are. But, uh, maybe sometimes they re- they re-- like the Rebbe says, "Sh'labit Seinenu." Common knowledge, Sh'labit Seinenu.

36:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. Right. Masu Legalim.

36:08 Speaker 2 So they, they, they feel, they feel that way. I was actually thinking, this is, uh... Sorry, this is, we get, guess, try and, try and stay on topic here, but you know, there's that pasuk in, in Parshat Vaera. It says, "Misinas Hashem Aisano." Moshe Rabbeinu tells the Yidden, "You guys complained." He said, "God hates us so much. That's why he took us out of Mitzrayim. Took us into the Midbar." I mean, who says that? The Am Yisrael made you ten makkas, takes you takes you out of Mitzrayim because you make-- takes you from being basically a, a use, a, a slave who has no purpose, no future, no vision, nothing.

36:44 Speaker 1 Right.

36:44 Speaker 2 It makes, it makes, uh, Kidush Hashem, Chol Alum Kule, ten makkas, takes you out of Mitzrayim, gives you man, gives you a Torah. I mean, like the whole list of Dayenu. And then what? Because one time, uh, I don't know, it was too hot or your lun- your supper was cold, that's it. Hashem, Misinas Hashem Aisano. So the Rashi says, there's a Gemara that says that "" basically. You project onto the Eibishter. You hate the Eibishter, so you say he hates you basically. So I was thinking could be there's some people that th- they know that the Rebbe loves them more than they love themselves. This is-- They don't like themselves, whatever reason. People to take it, take it to d- if different extremes. But there's people like... They cannot-- It bothers them that the Rebbe loves them more than they love themselves. So, uh, they struggle with it and . Anyways, so there's Chassid I know-- So today you have Chassid Ayaga, they're born to a family of Chassidim. The fact that they... Either, either it's-- Whatever it is. Chassid Ayagus, they daven, uh, they're, they're very happy to daven, to daven Nusach Ari, m-be follow Minhage Chabad, maybe even by the Shabbos table from the Rebbe. And then there's Chassid Chabad, people who are actually in tune with what the Rebbe cares about, what the Rebbe wants, what the Rebbe's agenda is. They want-- They, they're, they're-- They would-- They were at least want to be able to help the Rebbe, help the

38:24 Speaker 2 Rebbe. If they want to fulfill what the Rebbe wants from them. this is a modern-day interpretation of the, of the three. I was actually looking. I, I was trying-- I was actually looking to see if it-- if I could find it anywhere else, this thing about Chassid-- these three types of Chassidim. I did not find any other source for it other than, uh-

38:49 Speaker 1 Um-

38:49 Speaker 2 Reb Yisroel, Reb Yisroel Jacobson's, uh-

38:51 Speaker 1 There's a third one, no?

38:53 Speaker 2 What?

38:53 Speaker 1 There's a-- No, there's three. Chassid Ayagus.

38:57 Speaker 2 Chassid Ayag- Chassid Ayaga, Chassid Ayagus, Chassid Chabad.

39:01 Speaker 1 Ah. So Chassid Chabad is, uh, people that are, uh, doing the right thing.

39:05 Speaker 2 People who-

39:05 Speaker 1 That doesn't need-

39:06 Speaker 2 People who, uh, listen to Fabregins.

39:09 Speaker 1 If you-- See if you... Uh, so let's qualify here.

39:12 Speaker 2 Yeah.

39:12 Speaker 1 Listening to Fabregin doesn't mean, you know, that I must be... Why, why, why listening to Fab- Listening, what about, uh, reading Fabregin? Is that also-

39:19 Speaker 2 Right. Listening, watching, reading. Why? Because, uh, in a Fabregin you see where-- how the Rebbe looks at it, looks at a person, how the Rebbe looks at a Yid, how the Rebbe looks at life in every, in every s- in e- in every situation, every type of day. How the Rebbe deals with real, with real life. One of the, one of the, the ikar... One, one of the real-

39:44 Speaker 1 You're say- you're saying when-- if you learn Likutei Sichos, right? Everyone in, in the yeshivas, they learn Likutei Sichos. They say the Sichos and whatever, right? That's-- It's almost part of the curriculum. So you're saying that when you look at the Sichos, you're, you have-- you're, you're, you're learning the Rebbe's Torah. And what, what, what's, what's the-

40:07 Speaker 2 When someone learn-- When someone learns Chumash, it says right? When someone learns Chumash, they're gonna wanna learn with the time, but the struggle is, how am I going to guide my day? How, how-- What, what am I gonna do different today because of whatever today's Chumash is? How am I going to be-- How am I gonna change another Yid based on what today's Chumash is? How am I gonna change myself? So-- But it's, it's more than that. It's more than that. Am I really convinced that today's Chumash could change the world?

40:49 Speaker 1 So-

40:49 Speaker 2 In the world that, in the world that is today, am I really convinced?

40:52 Speaker 1 M- Myself personally, on a regular Shabbos, I... I mean, I'm doing this since I'm a bachur, but, uh, I do today as well. I, um... When I was a bachur, I learned the, the whole, the Hanaf, the whole long Fabregin. Today, I usually take a Sifra Sichos, a Pehres. It's, you know, just 'cause, uh, time constraint and they're a little shorter and-

41:12 Speaker 2 Yeah.

41:13 Speaker 1 But to me, I c- It's not Sha- If you don't know what the Rebbe says about today, how, how is the Shabbos? Like, you don't... What, what Parashat is it? What does, what does that Parashat mean? What, what, what, what, what, what is the Kriyat Shema? What, what, what is... Like, today's Chumash, you don't know... Like, how do you walk to shul and, uh, or have guests at your Shabbos table and you're not living? Like, it's like... So I can learn-- It's different than learning Likutei Sichos 'cause Likutei Sichos it's a, it's a beard and a certain onion. But the Rebbe's Fabregin is the whole... At le- at least the first two Sichos, at least of every single Shabbos, the Fabregin, the Rebbe's just laying out, like, the Sefer HaYom basically. Like, like, what does it mean to, to live today? Like, you know, like some people, like, I think they go-- Even if they're learning Fabregin, "Oh, uh, whatever." They're, they're glancing over. That, that's the whole point.

42:04 Speaker 2 You know the min- you know the minor to the guy complaining he didn't get an answer to his letter, and the Rebbe said that, uh, in, "I wrote in the Michmich of Klo-- in, in the Kli Prati I sent you. I want-- I let-- I told you what I care about." And I wrote to Man-- as Man Mekamus over there. I figured to a Yid like you, a Hasid, not, uh, not a friend, not friends of Chabad, this would be the, this would be the most, this would be what you-- this would be the most important thing to you to know about. This would-- You know what I'm talking about, that minor. I don't have it. I, I don't remember the-

42:40 Speaker 1 No, I don't

42:40 Speaker 2 ... off the top of my fingertips. Anyways, Baruch Hashem today, because, uh, all the minors are betros, all the real minors are betros.

42:52 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

42:53 Speaker 2 All the ones that people made up-

42:57 Speaker 1 I know what you're talking about

42:58 Speaker 2 ... or that turns out to be made up.

42:59 Speaker 1 Well, what, what, the... Well, I don't know, I don't know what you're talking about.

43:02 Speaker 2 So all the Gestetiden guys would say things.

43:04 Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying they made up a memory. They said up Zavoth and then-

43:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, from memory or, or they, they-

43:08 Speaker 1 Yep

43:09 Speaker 2 ... they had classified information That you, that you would have to, you would have to take their word for it to trust them.

43:15 Speaker 1 Klal, we live in the information age, so everything that, Pashet, everything's Beksuvim. Like, like it's a wild, wild thing that like, um, you heard... Yeah, like you're saying, you, you heard a var that the Rebbe said, and then like, boom, we have all the minus about it. And like we could read it for ourselves exactly what the Rebbe said.

43:32 Speaker 2 I was just this morning-- Yesterday I was sitting with a Yid, and he was telling me, "Imagine if all the resources, the intellectual resources, the, the, the financial resources that go into wars, imagine if they would all go into helping people. We could give everyone houses and food, and the world could be, you know..." So I was thinking that's a-- this could be a Balbatsu way of teaching the Rambam. Why is there gonna be Madana Metzuim Kafer? 'Cause there's not gonna be Lerov, Lemucham, Lekin, Letachas. Guys are not gonna be competing just for the sake of competition. They're not gonna be jealous. They're not gonna out-- do things that they don't actually want, they don't actually care about. They're only doing it 'cause they're jealous. There's not gonna be war. They're not gonna be wasting resources on war. The Lerov. What's Chadrov? Klal, stay, stay Psiche Zadar Hamazbil Chol Chairotze. If it's too much Teyte here, you stop me. I was just excited about this vort. What's the... Really God, God has provides enough food for every single, every single animal, every single insect, Al Pane HaAdomo, gets what it needs. So how could there be places there's famine? It's because there's a, there's a misallo- there's corruption, there's misallocation of funds, whatever. It's, it's human, it's a human error that causes that. When Mashiach comes, it won't have that. There'll be Lerov, Lemucham, Lekin, Letachas. So Meila, there'll possibly be Gashas. There'll be Madana Metzuim Kafer. There'll be so much resources available, it'll be

44:59 Speaker 2 the equivalent to Madana Metzuim Kafer. Right? So that was I was thinking yesterday. This morning I was thinking, what's Madana Metzuim Kafer? Madana Metzuim Kafer is, is that any time, any time and any space, nowadays you can start listening to Fabrengens, watching a Fabrenger of the Rebbe. You can start listening to a Fabrenger of the Rebbe. That's, that's Madana Metzuim Kafer. Vu Normish Teit dum gate. You can re- you can read, you can see a minor Rebbe. You can hear the Rebbe talk, you can see the Rebbe. That's Madana Metzuim Kafer. Wha- how... Now, there's Shlom in that, Madana Metzuim. Th- now- nowadays it's Metzuim Kafer. Chidush Mashiach is gonna be the Le... Yes, the Kolel, all that's assembled that. There's not anything anyone's gonna be interested in doing any more than the Fabrenger.

45:38 Speaker 1 You say, you're saying today it's available, but Pascha people don't, don't kn- are not aware or don't understand or are too lazy or whatever.

45:45 Speaker 2 Yeah.

45:45 Speaker 1 And, uh, you know, it's actually funny. I remember when I was a Bachar, like an older Bachar, my father asked me, "So did you develop a Geshmack on learning?" Like after all these years in Yeshiva, like, like, so you like, do you like it? So I'm like, "Thinking about it." I said, "I'll tell you. When I learn a Fabrengen or watch a Fabrengen, I, I Pascha enjoy it." It doesn't mean that, um, that like I rather that over... Like a, a piece of sushi might be more Geshmack and more, uh, easier to, to do, to do in the moment. Doesn't mean that it's not the Nevzach of exits, and you have to focus, and you have to do it. But like, w- you g- you're in it, yeah, I, I Pascha enjoy it.

46:35 Speaker 2 It's interesting. I Pascha mamish this morning, I was listening to the Mimer, uh, Kane Sikha of Yud Gimmel Nisan, Tash Mim Zayin, Hebei Mashmini. And at the end, the Rebbe's, you know, it's a whole description about, uh, how Sichma Cedek's Teyte is printed, and it's, uh, and it's, you know, of Daas, and it's Chibber and Nigla, and, and it's, uh, it's, uh, it's basically it's, it's like it's the Tey- Teytes on Mashiach. And then at the end, the Rebbe mentions, m- um, "V'hi deRambam shraybt b'seich hilchas teshuva as bizol lernin shaliach l'shma v'am itech shaliach l'-" That m- m- miss-- It's gonna be a zgal that the shaliach l'- mit in... The teich and the shaliach l'shma is l'shma. That's... That was the vort the Rebbe always brings, uh, "Teych shaliach l'shma is l'shma." But it's interesting over here, something Mekashe what you were just saying. The Rebbe's talking about learning Chidush. The Rebbe's talking about, uh, learning Teytes on Mashiach. What's, what's... Eich is the shaliach l'shma? So Lchuda, you could enjoy Fabrengens, it's fine.

47:45 Speaker 1 Uh, Fekait, uh, I think if, if, if that's your Taivas, I think you're pretty good.

47:50 Speaker 2 Yeah.

47:50 Speaker 1 But now, I mean, listen, hello, if you talk to people that stood by Fabrengens, if, if, if they're real people, I'm not talking about-

47:58 Speaker 2 Yeah

47:58 Speaker 1 ... uh, idiots. If they're real people, that's how they describe a Fabre-- E- even if they didn't understand, it's Matz ufgelept. It, it, it wa- it was a place to be. It, it, it was-

48:09 Speaker 2 Yeah

48:09 Speaker 1 ... a Rebbe ufgeheyn. So, so I mean, I, I, that, I, I think that's part of the... That is, you know, one of the functions of a Rebbe to... That, that's what the Rebbe's doing.

48:20 Speaker 2 A lot, Lalami, Daas or Som.

48:22 Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's not even a... Yeah.

48:26 Speaker 2 Som.

48:26 Speaker 1 It's not even a, it's not even a que- I mean, this is obvious, everyone knows this, but, like, the fact that Dafken de Rashvi, right? We know that Ga- uh, Gashmis is the Schnalsh of Faruchnis, right?

48:39 Speaker 2 Yeah.

48:39 Speaker 1 The fact that the Gashmis, we have recordings in de Rashvi is for a reason. It's because Faruchnis, we, we, we need it the most now, saying in, in after Gomorrahs. Saying this, this is, this is... I mean, be- besides the original, the fact and the televised Fabrengens and the fact, the fact that it has in the whole world and using our technology. Besides that, Pascha, like, I, I mean, the, the Abish has set up the Matzav that there's gonna be a Mitzvas of after Gomorrahs, of thirties after Gomorrahs, and the Makim Refo, the Maka. He ga- he gave us. And, and just that, you know, they're still printing Memodim o- o- o- o- of, uh, of the previous Rebbe. In a sense like, the Rebbe like, I mean, there's Hanakos. I mean, uh, there is Menachem, it's coming out, it's perfecting, it's fine. But we have Hanakos. We have every- everything ready to go. Actually, someone told me once, so right after Gomorrahs, a friend of mine told me that a bunch of Palefers were in this-- came to business with him in his father's house right after Gomorrahs.

49:38 Speaker 2 Yeah.

49:38 Speaker 1 They asked him, "Nu, Reb Zalman, what are you gonna do now?" He goes, "What am I gonna do now?" He looks at his Seforim shelf. He says, "That's what I'm gonna do now." He pointed to the Rebbe's, to the Rebbe's Seforim.

49:52 Speaker 2 So fir- first of all, just to L- Ludayik, God knew. The Abishtern, I'm not supposed to say God. This, uh, Papash-

50:04 Speaker 1 The Rebbe says... The Rebbe always says God Almighty.

50:06 Speaker 2 Between us and Ben Shapiro, this probably be a few million, uh, li- listeners.

50:11 Speaker 1 Yeah.

50:12 Speaker 2 Um, so the Abishtern-

50:13 Speaker 1 You're, you're, you're referencing the Geshem Ber Jacobson.

50:17 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

50:18 Speaker 1 And asking how many subscriptions are there to the argument. It's to Shinons and the New York Times is, uh-

50:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. A few million.

50:23 Speaker 1 Yeah.

50:24 Speaker 2 Um.

50:25 Speaker 1 In the Mexico City Alein, there's a Is this it, yeah? Yeah, yeah.

50:30 Speaker 2 So they-- the creator of the world knew which Rebbe or which leader he wants to have-- he wants the world to have on record. In other words, when the, when the Rebbe was ready to send us to Rebbe, he also made sure that the recordings would be readily-- would, would be available. In Andeerverte, Rebbe planned out a world, and he said, "Mordechai Rabbeinu is gonna be in The Rambam is gonna have... Is gonna be, have a written book. But the Rebbe, I want he should be recorded and videoed." And so he arranged it that way.

51:19 Speaker 1 Yeah.

51:19 Speaker 2 At, at, at the same time that there's videos and recordings, that's when, that's when the Rebbe's teaching, teaching the, um-

51:26 Speaker 1 And it's also a-- I'm saying it's also... I guess, I guess if you're a Hasid Amal, you, you... If you're really-- If you went to Lubavitch and you were a Maskil, uh, whatever, you're a real Hasid, you'll be able to know what the Rebbe said in the Memar. The average guys out of this Shabbos in Stanford, we have the Armon Hotel nearby. So there's like these, all these Frum Shabbatonos. Every Shabbos, I, I usually am busy, you know, in the community. But, uh, I usually go there for mikveh. But, uh, I have Shabbos. But this Shabbos, they had a, um, like a, a group for those that are learning Chassidis, like pay the Shabbos. They're learning Chassidis, like Lubavitch, the Lubavitchers, what-whatever, you know, whatever, whatever they call themselves. I'm sure each one has their own story. So I spent a little more time there. I went to Shabbos. But they... Anyways, I was talking to a bunch of guys, to two, two guys. So one of them told me a word. He says, "Do you understand the difference? If you ask, uh, another Hasid or whatever, chassid, uh, Talmud, the Rosh Yeshiva, tell me a word from Rosh Yeshiva on the Parsha."

52:25 Speaker 2 Yeah. What's his Chagari?

52:25 Speaker 1 Sure. Tell me, tell me a word from the Parsha. If you're sure he doesn't know. Um, maybe if you tell him in a Yom Tov, maybe he could come up with something. The average Lubavitcher, you're asking, "What does Rebbe say in Parshas HaMoed?"

52:38 Speaker 2 Yeah.

52:40 Speaker 1 He'll come up with, I don't know, three ideas. You know, uh, like, like this is, uh, it has, it has... You don't understand. From the world that we come from, this, this doesn't, this doesn't exist. It's like, it's like, uh, there was a certain Rosh Yeshiva that passed away recently, and, uh, one of our friends said a word. He said, um, like, "Look at the difference. This big Rosh Yeshiva passed away. Can anyone tell me, like, what he has to contribute? Like, what did he contribute in..." In Torah, I'm sure he has Fard. Like, what was, what was the Oof Gitan about? I don't know. I'm not sure. It's like by the Rebbe, it's like it doesn't stop. The Rebbe contributed in this, the Rebbe contributed in that, in, in e-e-every aspect of your life, in every aspect of the world, in every, every current event, in every, every like it's a never-ending, uh, loop. Anyways, I'm not, I'm not sure if it's connected to the concept of videos, but, uh-

53:32 Speaker 2 I don't know if it, I don't know if it's connected, and I don't know if to, to, to understand, to... I don't know, I don't know if it helps people get a, get a better understanding of what a Rebbe is. To c-- I mean, I guess I gotten how you name, right? He says as the, the Rosh Yeshiva is given an ounce-

53:47 Speaker 1 An ounce

53:48 Speaker 2 ...and given ounce.

53:51 Speaker 1 Oh, you're, you're, you're saying comparing doesn't, doesn't help you.

53:54 Speaker 2 I'm just wondering what the tale is of that contrast is. It's like a, a guy to- uh, uh, a, a Rav, a Lubavitcher Rav told me. I don't usually quote, uh, Rabbonim, but, uh, for this inyen, he says that, um, this Rav Koch said about the Rebbe Shochon Aroch. So he says that, uh, uh, I can't mention this other guy's name either. Anyways, uh, the Rosh, the, the Rosh Yeshiva in Lakewood from back in the day, I don't wanna mention his name. So he said that, "Look, Unser Baal Batim produced what the Chassidim's Rebbe produced. The Alter Rebbe made a Shulchan Aruch, put together ps Halachas, Halachas, B'Tameim to help people know, learn Halacha. And our, by in, in Vilna, we had a Baal Habos, Avraham Dantzig, he made the Chai Adam. So fishk, our Baal Habos is, is equivalent to their Rebbe." So this guy tells me, this Rav tells me, he's like, "Arke obviously never looked in the Alter Rebbe's Shulchan Aruch in his life." If he's making a statement like this, the guy obviously never looked at the Rebbe's Shulchan Aruch.

55:05 Speaker 1 Yeah.

55:06 Speaker 2 So I'm saying, like, if, if a guy, if a guy is gonna sta- if he, if, if he's gonna try to understand the God's-- what a Rebbe is or Godless of the Rebbe based on a ps, a Rosh Yeshiva, it's not, uh, it's Kamer al, al, uh, Chochma Roma Va'amuka Sheyashe Limash B'yadayim. You could be Shail many, many of, many Rosh Yeshivas. You're not gonna get any closer to, to understanding a Rebbe.

55:31 Speaker 1 I, I, I guess for those that have, uh, that have a relationship with other Rebbes or Rosh Yeshivas or come from that background, it's helpful for them.

55:40 Speaker 2 Other, uh, Rebbes. Uh, it's interesting that Ke- that Rebbe encouraged all these, uh, young guys to take over their, their Kehizim. I guess it's basically just being Mechazek Yiras Shamayim, about Sateida, that people should-- these Kehillahs should, should stick to- stick together. They should have some form of leadership

56:01 Speaker 1 You saw the video that the rabbi tells the guy to print his father's sfarim, and he says it's against the tzavah and the ratzon of my, of my father.

56:10 Speaker 2 Yeah.

56:11 Speaker 1 The rebbe, the rebbe doesn't, the rebbe doesn't accept that. They have to do it anyways. It's with the Bechol.

56:16 Speaker 2 Bechol. Yeah.

56:17 Speaker 1 No, the rebbe told, um, I think the Toldos Aron. The rebbe told the Toldos Aron when he came to Nishidis. It was a learn chassidus. Learn chassidus Chabad. Learn... Like, the rebbe wanted, like, "You guys are chassidim and you have chassidus, so you should learn your..." The rebbe wanted it to be part of the seder hasid. I think that's what the rebbe's money by him. If I remember correctly, that's the r- the rebbe definitely said that. I, I think it was in Toldos Aron. Like, uh, if you, if you ha- if you have a shas shas, if you have a mesader, like, like, if you have tade, if you have depth. So, so it was... I think in the Frum world today, Bechol, uh, people are lacking depth. They're, they're, they're looking... I mean, in, in the, in the Lubavitch world that they're lacking depth is 'cause they're not looking in... As every baal teshuva says, "I finally looked in my back pocket," right? Uh, and, and found what I've been looking for my whole life. So Lubavitch-

57:05 Speaker 2 Yeah

57:05 Speaker 1 ... is not, uh, if Lubavitch is lacking depth or meaning or whatever, they, they're, they're not looking in their back pocket. But I think Bechol, there's like a, in, in, in the Frum world, the like nezuach, then there's like a bikush, right? The melachim. Like people, people are, people are like lost a little bit i-in, in the Frum community. And people thought there was a whole thing in the, in the Frum, uh, magazines about the suicides that are happening in the Fr- in the Frum world. Like, they had, uh... Yeah, so it's like, it's like-

57:33 Speaker 2 Somebody was, someone was mehadrin to me a few days ago that in the Velt, there's this whole thing about the place of men in society. They're trying to find ways to gi-give, impart to men that they have a purpose and they have a place in society. Bechol was in shtalser from the fact that-

57:59 Speaker 1 This is an ans- this is like the repercussions of the, of the feminist movement. It's like-

58:04 Speaker 2 So I guess because today, based off if a, a woman could have a... She could have her own job.

58:11 Speaker 1 Okay.

58:13 Speaker 2 I'm gonna get to the tade, the tade aspect of this, but let's just, let's just go through this for a second. She could have her own j- she could pay her own bills. Um, she could concealed carry, so she will be s- she could protect herself, presumably. Again, those people don't usually, but those sty-style people don't usually. And she could even have kids. She can go to a don- a don- donation bank and, and she could have kids. She doesn't need to have a guy around the house making a mess. So me'ela, this attitude has sort of trickled in and, and men are questioning, is this their, their purpose? I don't know if that's the real... I don't know if one of-- if that's why. Anyways, he was saying it, maybe they have to t- tell men what their, what their purpose is. So it's interesting.

59:01 Speaker 1 Th- there's a Jewish person or non-Jewish person? Like whatever.

59:04 Speaker 2 No, a Lubavitcher. A Lubavitcher.

59:05 Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

59:07 Speaker 2 Bechol. Um, one of the interesting things, I'm gonna get to the, to the fa- to that family planning article was, is that-

59:15 Speaker 1 In the heder.

59:16 Speaker 2 In the heder. It was when I-- w-when we, when we were working on it, it was you, you listen to the s- you listen to the sicha, you read the sichas, and right away you assume the rebbe's talking to a modern, a very modern family or someone who's barely, uh, barely Frum. They only wanna have, uh, you know, they want a very small, spacious family. And then you read the, the dayanu, your, your neighbor in seven eight eight shared with the, shared the docu- shared the, the letters from Rabbi Bernhard.

59:50 Speaker 1 Yeah.

59:51 Speaker 2 You know what I'm talking about?

59:52 Speaker 1 It's a printed article, those letters.

59:54 Speaker 2 Should I, should I say it? I should s- it's-

59:56 Speaker 1 Say everything, man.

59:56 Speaker 2 No, it's okay. So in the Kinos Hachabad, Yitzchok and Sicha in Taf Shim mem, the rebbe spoke in the sicha, the, about, about, uh, not, not, uh, not stopping, not, not, um, not family planning, basically. Not, not, uh, not against birth control and the, the side effects of it. It's, it's not good for, it's not good for the, it's not good for the mothers, it's not good for the families, and should leave it up to Hashem on how many children should be in a family. And, um, the rebbe spoke about this again, Parshas Naso, yud taf shim mem. That's the sicha everyone likes to quote about, "Avos nisht aigen a minyan beim tish."

1:00:44 Speaker 1 Minyan.

1:00:45 Speaker 2 A minyan. Parshas Naso-

1:00:47 Speaker 1 The rebbe once said, "A minyan or the American minyan." But yeah. Yeah.

1:00:50 Speaker 2 I'll get to that in a second. A minyan beim tish, and then there's another, I think Shabbos Parshas Lech Lecha, the rebbe also said, talked about it. And then again, uh, sorry, and then in the winter of Taf Shim mem alef, Rabbi Bernhard was visiting from South Africa, and the rebbe asked him to go meet, to talk, talk to Taames Hameshalcha committee. Taames Hameshalcha committee, I think, was the, the Nishei Chabad, the most chassidish women in Crown Heights who were in charge of all in, uh, uh, who-- they were basically the chiruach hachaya behind all the mitzvoim in, in, by women, particularly the mitzvoim that are sheayach to women. Nashik, Taames Hameshalcha, mitzvas kasherus. So he wanted them to s- the rebbe wanted him to speak to them about whatever, but also to talk to them about the rebbe's recent campaign to have lar- to have a lot, to have a lot of kids. And to report back to him what they say. And he wrote, and the rebbe, he wr- he wr- he wrote a proper typewriter. He wrote back a whole protocol of, of, of the, the women, of what the women said. And they had common itiness that, uh, it's exhausting and there's whatever.

1:02:14 Speaker 1 And I think they're, they're running about spacing. They didn't have a-- Their, their issue wasn't with having large families. It was about- Yeah, it was about spacing.

1:02:23 Speaker 2 Spacing.

1:02:24 Speaker 1 What's wrong with spacing? Yeah.

1:02:26 Speaker 2 Yeah. What was interesting to me... I forgot where I was going with this already. What was interesting to me over there-- Oh, so I thought the Rebbe was talking to mo- to modern Friar people. And then you see no, the Rebbe was talking to Lubavitchers. The Rebbe was talking to the most Lubavitchers possible. But I think also a lot of times you see by Fabregas how the Rebbe, the Rebbe talks about like in tafshin yud beis, the Rebbe talks about how you must not consider this. It's not enough just to learn nigla. And then in tafshin yud gimel, and then in tafshin, in tafshin mem alef and in tafshin mem Ches. Again and again and again and again. How many times the Rebbe needs to talk about how you must not consider this. It's not enough just to learn nigla. What's zogen that tzaddim also need to be reinforced. These need to be reinforced. It's not just the-

1:03:08 Speaker 1 Uh, aidivili avish-

1:03:10 Speaker 2 Yeah

1:03:10 Speaker 1 ... I will say confession that when we wrote the article about family planning-

1:03:14 Speaker 2 Yeah

1:03:14 Speaker 1 ... I pushed that it should happen 'cause people weren't sure if we should do it. And I'm telling you for a fact that one of the reasons why I wanted it to happen was I wanted clarity myself on the topic. I, I, I watched the sifras. I knew... I wanted a clarity on the, on the whole sugya and I-- that's what-- I want it for myself. I wanted to know, I wanted to have clarity on what the Rebbe has to say about this. Like, is it, is it, is the Rebbe talking in theory? Does it mean practically? I got, I got my answer in that article if anyone wants it, we can, uh, link it.

1:03:40 Speaker 2 So to bring-- to tie up the part of the weave.

1:03:44 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:03:44 Speaker 2 Um, one of the ma'alas of a fabregene- of listening to a fabregen over learning, uh, uh, whatever. I don't... One of the ma'alas of a fabregen is, is that you s- you, you realize how real, how serious the Rebbe is, how serious you should be about this, how relevant the Rebbe is, how relevant Torah is in every prat, in every prat of life. Um-

1:04:14 Speaker 1 I heard, I heard from Mrs. Kazan in Italy.

1:04:17 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:04:18 Speaker 1 I think that time when the Rebbe spoke about the minyan.

1:04:21 Speaker 2 Geshe Mendel's, uh-

1:04:23 Speaker 1 Geshe Mendel's daughter. So she said she was there by the fabregen. And she said... I never heard this from anyone else. She said that when the Rebbe said it, the Rebbe at a certain point, the Rebbe looked up at the vibber or the Rebbe looked at the women.

1:04:36 Speaker 2 Which sifra?

1:04:38 Speaker 1 I think that one about the minyan.

1:04:39 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah?

1:04:40 Speaker 1 And she said, "I was there. I heard what the Rebbe said. The Rebbe looked up to us. Rebbe was talking to us." That's it. They have, I think, I think they have, uh, ten, ten children. It's like, like the Rebbe could add something. She's like when, when you sta-- So you're saying learning a fabregen is-- it's not the same thing 'cause we, we, we need, um, sheyes to be and, and, uh, we should actually stand by the Rebbe's fabregen. But-

1:05:05 Speaker 2 Yeah

1:05:05 Speaker 1 ... right now when you're learning a fabregen or watching or listening, that is how a Chassid interacts with the Rebbe and he has that experience that, that she had. That's how you do it. That's the form. That's what you need to do.

1:05:18 Speaker 2 Y- yes. But just-

1:05:20 Speaker 1 That's, that's, that's a, that's a spiritual thing

1:05:22 Speaker 2 ... it's not a goal, it's not a goal as the good thing to listen to the fabregen of the Rebbe. The Rebbe-

1:05:27 Speaker 1 No

1:05:27 Speaker 2 ... even the chasmishe, the Rebbe, didn't the Rebbe tell Gan Yisroel to replay the, the sifra to the kids?

1:05:31 Speaker 1 Actually, your uncle, uh, your uncle, uh, Avadia, once said that when he was a, a bachur, he used to read a sifras kodesh from the previous years. Someone asked him, "Why are you doing it?" The Rebbe at that time said, "This is very simple. The Rebbe is always saying in the sifras now, now from beis" The Rebbe says, "We spoke about this already." So no-- And the Rebbe says there's no need to hazard over. Okay, so I don't know. I wasn't there, so I have to read it, Basher. Okay, I don't know if this is... I, I don't think you're saying the same thing though, or, or, or maybe you are.

1:06:01 Speaker 2 First of all, I mean, every word the Rebbe says is, is, is, is important. I mean, there's no way when, when, when Mashiach come-- when, when, when, when, when Mashiach comes, you're gonna s- you're not gonna have-- you're not gonna look back into the sifras. I mean, what's shad?

1:06:16 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:06:17 Speaker 2 It says, "Torah shebiktav v'al maaseh hevel igabeh traseh shel Mashiach."

1:06:23 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:06:23 Speaker 2 But what about traseh shel Mashiach? That's never gonna be hevel. Um, but nakah... So and then the Rebbe gets to Shema Yisrael. It's for sure the Rebbe wants them to replay the, the sifras all the times, all the time.

1:06:37 Speaker 1 I mean, uh, hello, the Shema Yisrael sifras, I mean, this is, uh... What, what, what would we be if we didn't have Shema Yisrael sifras? Which by the way is not printed in, in, in, in, in, in... You're not gonna know from just, uh, from say the sifras what the Rebbe said about Shema Yisrael. You pashut need to watch the fabregens.

1:06:55 Speaker 2 So I was thinking could it be the reason why a lot of people are, are detached from, from this, from how... how s- not serious, it's not, it doesn't do this justice, but h- how, how what a major issue this is to the Rebbe. And they're also detached from a lot of the information is because it's, it's most, it's mostly in the fabregens. You have to-

1:07:26 Speaker 1 Can, can you please let, let... I know we don't like talking about shtulim.

1:07:30 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:07:31 Speaker 1 But let's figure it out. How do you see that the Elul is detached from what the Rebbe says about Shema Yisrael? Where, where do you see that? How do you see that?

1:07:39 Speaker 2 Just, just a dogma, lamashal. After, uh, after Simchas Torah, I remember having a conversation with a relative, Lubavitcher, and he was telling me that he, he was feeling dis- as despair as, as many of them were feeling. He says, "You know, we're just gonna have to give the, the Arabs their own place. Eventually, I mean, we have to go, we have to go to war to, to teach them a lesson, but eventually there's no way to continue doing this. We're gonna have to give them their own state. They're gonna have to have their own, their own, their own, uh, their own s- their own sheteach." I mean, this is, this is like, what are we gonna do with all them? What are we, what are we gonna do?

1:08:17 Speaker 1 Um, so your cousin asked that question, maybe we're gonna have to give the Palestinians a, a state.

1:08:23 Speaker 2 Um, yeah, you'd asked me that we might have to give the Palestinians a, a state, Poshut Yisroel. But I don't, I don't li- I don't like using that word. There's no such thing. The Rebbe never uses it. The Rebbe says, "Arvim, Araber".

1:08:35 Speaker 1 You don't like Palestinian? Okay.

1:08:37 Speaker 2 Yeah. Sometimes I realize that the Olam is just, uh... They, they're getting fed all their, their, their information about Eretz Yisroel from mainstream media, right-wing media, but not from the Rebbe. So they have to get it from the Rebbe, that's all.

1:09:01 Speaker 1 So did you have a special Koch HaShlomo studies before, or just you happened to learn a lot of Chabad niguns, so you knew about it, so you just started learning more now after October 7th?

1:09:13 Speaker 2 Um, so personally, I, I, I, uh, uh, I think I, I especially enjoy those Sichas in there. You know, it's exciting.

1:09:25 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:09:25 Speaker 2 Pegashmis. I mean, not the events that it talks about.

1:09:29 Speaker 1 So you're saying, you're saying that there's Lev Avot, and it doesn't have to be, uh, whatever, you know, something out of it. It c- i- it could be a, a full... It could be a Shliach. It could be a full-fledged Anash, and you're saying Poshut doesn't, is not unfamiliar-

1:09:40 Speaker 2 A full-fledged Chossid that 3"15 against the Rebbe in Yonim is just uninformed and, and-

1:09:46 Speaker 1 So what, what, what, what's an ex-

1:09:48 Speaker 2 ... I would say-

1:09:48 Speaker 1 What's an example?

1:09:49 Speaker 2 And it's a Davar HaNavel because there's something that-- something like this that the Rebbe s- s- screamed literally, uh, uh, at Angelegt Velten, Ibiker Keds Velten. I mean, the Rebbe spoke about this more than, more than Niftat Tilm or than anything.

1:10:06 Speaker 1 What's a dogma of this? Of like some-- like a, a misconception that Poshut if, if you learned the Rebbe Sichas you would un- you would understand. But what's the dogma on that?

1:10:15 Speaker 2 I was just listening to Lag BaOmer Taf Shim Mem. Lag BaOmer Taf Shim Mem, the Rebbe was the pr- the Sicha in the parade, the, to the para- by the parade in the morning. And in the parade itself, the Rebbe addresses Dos Vos is Geshen Nechten, Beyom HaMilu. The Rebbe doesn't spell it out. The Rebbe speaks about in the parade briefly that Y- a Yid has to be proud. That's the famous Sicha about wearing a yamulke in the UN. And-

1:10:53 Speaker 1 What happened Nechten?

1:10:56 Speaker 2 Oh, so what happened Nechten? Nechten was the f- the, the, the terrorist attack in Beis Hadasa in Hebron. I have to think about how, how far back we're gonna reload to tell this, uh, Inyan. Okay. Let, let's start off with the actual terrorist attack. So basically, there was, there was, uh, there was families living in Hebron. They were not living in houses. They had a building that they took over, and that's where the families were staying.

1:11:26 Speaker 1 Um, I'm sure you read the recent The Her article on Hebron 'cause that inform- that information you just said is, is in that article.

1:11:33 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah? It's there?

1:11:35 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:11:35 Speaker 2 I have to read The Her one. Okay, good. So if I could, the Olam will be well acquainted with what we're talking about. So there was-- there were-- the men were going back from the Meron-

1:11:42 Speaker 1 Now that we have The Her, people are a little more informed than-

1:11:45 Speaker 2 A hundred percent. So now that, uh, uh... Let me see. They were going back from, um, for, for after Kabbalat Shabbos, they were going back from Meron to Beis Hadasa. They were walking through an alleyway, through, uh, an alleyway, and they were attacked with Granaten, like the Rebbe says, Granaten, and with gunshots, and six people were killed, were murdered. And, uh, fine, they made a whole VeYitzaku. It took, it took them a few days. Al Berech, like after October 7th, the Olam was sleeping for a while before they decided they're gonna do anything.

1:12:18 Speaker 1 I think 10 days, right?

1:12:21 Speaker 2 I don't know.

1:12:21 Speaker 1 This time-

1:12:21 Speaker 2 It was many days, many days too long. And, uh, the next day was the Lag BaOmer. So the Rebbe spoke by the parade BeKitz and Nimrods about how Yidden need to say clearly that Eretz Yisroel is a Nachlas Olam, to-- belongs to an Am Olam. And I c- c- I can't remember the Parat in the f- in the parade, but it was, it was pr- quite BeKitzer. And then that night, like so Lag BaOmer, usually when the Rebbe m- Fabring Lag BaOmer was on a off year, which there was no parade that year. The Marshall Lamed Heh, Leil HaSagar, right? Lamed Zayin was Leil HaSagar.

1:13:05 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:13:06 Speaker 2 Lamed Tes was Leil HaSagar. Usually, the Fabring, the Fabring Lag BaOmer-

1:13:11 Speaker 1 Leil HaSagar

1:13:11 Speaker 2 ... Fabring was the light, and here's my Leil HaSagar. The Rebbe, the first Sicha of Leil Ha-- of the Fabring, the Rebbe actually explains why the Leil HaSagar is Shayach, like i- is also a, a special day. Um, and by then, in the, in the third Sicha of, of that Fabring, and the Rebbe s- uh, speaks Ba'arichis about what happened and says... And the Rebbe actually speaks about... You see, the Rebbe says his name, Stam, to, in, in... My words are failing me today. To, to inject personal, uh, pers- personal s- into, into this, my first, uh, Givest of the Yankeh of, of, of, of, of the Shlomo Sa'aritz was sitting in the car. My father was playing this Fabringen, and the, the Rebbe saying the words, "Hakodesh, Shlimer, Hashem, Yikim, Domek". Anyways, so a lot of the Fabringen, the Rebbe was actually talk-- not even talking about the terrorist attack that happened the day before. The Rebbe, the Rebbe's talking about a terrorist attack that happened Yud Gimmel Shevat in Hebron. There was-

1:14:20 Speaker 1 A different one.

1:14:21 Speaker 2 A different terrorist attack. There's a gentleman, his name was, um... His last name was Slo- was Shlomo. Sal- Salma, Shlomo, Shlomo. His first name, um, I forgot already. I looked it up yesterday. He was a Bachur in his 20s from Denmark, I think. He's a very passionate lover of, of, of Eretz Yisroel. He was in Yeshivat Hesder or something. He was going supposedly to buy fruit for Tu Bishvat. Whatever. He was in the marketplace, and a guy, uh, Arabers gekumen von, von hintere. A, a Arab came from behind him and shot him dead. And nothing. No investigation. The, the, the, the Israeli government, the authorities, the intelligence agencies, no one bothered even trying to find out who did it. this... There was no... There was literally no, no, there was nothing.

1:15:18 Speaker 1 No reaction.

1:15:19 Speaker 2 No reaction. Like as if, as if it's the South Side of Chicago. South Si- South Side of Chicago, basically, right? Hiya. Um, the, in the Fabregen, the Rebbe there was say-- st- stunning that first of all, the fact that you have a, that, that an Arab is willing to go, middle of the day, this wasn't even at night, it's the middle of the day. I, I was trying to figure out yesterday actually, what is unique about this, those two terrorist attacks, Lagba and the one that's before it. I mean, there was also a couple terrorist attacks in that year.

1:15:55 Speaker 1 What's unique that the Rebbe's spending so much time talking about it?

1:15:57 Speaker 2 Yeah. And he's talking about what a behala it is and what type of... I mean, the Rebbe's saying, "These, me, me, me, mach fun zich shmatas," about the Is- Israelis. They're making themselves shmatas, the way they handle these things. Um, a- and I think it is, is that there's one thing if you plant a bomb on a bus or, um, y- you do a co- a hit and run, covert terrorist attack. The fact that you're willing to walk into a marketplace, walk up to a yid, shoot him dead, and then whatever, disappear back into the crowd, that is a new level of, of auda- as I said, a new le- a new audacity. He says the guy has no fear. He's not worried they're gonna come find him. He's not worried anyone is gonna give him, give, give, give him out. He, he just in general, there's no deterrence at all. It's complete breakdown. So he shot him dead. For months and months, they didn't, b'chlal, try to figure out what happened. And the Rebbe says that's why. You, you, you, you, you basically... every, every Arab in, in Hebron knows exactly th- what happened. They-- the Rebbe talks about in this Fabregen how the, the Israeli press s- s-, uh, censored the story. They didn't wanna let them talk about it. Maybe one day in small newspaper. They didn't, they didn't... They covered it up from the, from the, from the Jews.

1:17:16 Speaker 1 From the general public.

1:17:18 Speaker 2 From the, the Jewish public. But from the Arab public, they don't need the Israeli press to find out. the Rebbe even spells it out in the Fabregen. He tells this, right? Everyone, every Arab in Hebron was well aware that a Jew was murdered in broad daylight, and the Jewish authorities did not lift a finger to try to pursue the attacker. So it sends the message that it's open season on saying Yisroel, basically. And so then you have this ca- this situation where they negate them and shooting Jews in middle, in middle of the, uh... I- i- it was at night, nighttime. That attack was at night, actually. When they needed to find Yossele Schumacher, the Rebbe says they suspended all activity, all investigations of the Mossad, even ones that were neget.

1:18:15 Speaker 1 The whole, the whole Mossad, uh, was a Yossele Schumacher search party.

1:18:19 Speaker 2 Exactly. They neglected security, probably, probably because they, they, they aborted in- ongoing investigations that were neget, the security, things like that, to go find Yossele Schumacher. And here, they want people to believe that they can't find who the perpetrators of this terrorist attack were. By the way-

1:18:41 Speaker 1 Right

1:18:41 Speaker 2 ... Zais Chanukim involved.

1:18:45 Speaker 1 By the way, do you hear a lot, uh, do you hear a lot of feedback, echo, noise?

1:18:50 Speaker 2 No.

1:18:51 Speaker 1 Okay, go ahead.

1:18:55 Speaker 2 Zais Chanukim involved, the Rebbe also talk... Me'ese Zais Chanukim involved, the Rebbe also talks about how there's this shitah that they came, the intelli... whatever, the intelligence or the authorities in Israel came up with, that we're not gonna stop the terrorist attacks. We're gonna let them continue happening, and eventually the peaceful Arabs are gonna be so fed up with all the terrorism that the violent Arabs are bringing, and they themselves are gonna, are gonna throw them out. This was... I mean, it's how can you even say that with a straight face, b'chlal? But that's, that was the Zais Chanukim involved. But that was the shitah probably then also. The Rebbe says this in the sikha. I forget if they... They don't wanna find them, or they don't want anyone to know that they could find them, or they don't want anyone to know that they know who they are, because then they're gonna have to do something about it, and they do something about it. They might upset, upset, uh, this guy and that guy, and eve- eventually it might affect the, the, the, the Arabs who are involved in the Camp David Accords, and then, and then the, the, the US president is gonna be upset about it. So it's just simpler to not pursue the attackers altogether, and, um, hopefully everyone will forget about it. Um, and for decades, the greatest achievement of Israeli military intelli- intelligence, government, their greatest achievement is, uh, manipulating the public, the Jewish public, hiding stuff from them,

1:20:18 Speaker 2 convincing them things that are not true. That has been their greatest success. Providing, providing secure... providing them security, not so successful, as we see every day. But manipulating them, convincing them that this war can't be won, we're doing the best we could over here, um, this is eventually going to lead to something good, these type of lines, that is what they are terrific at. And, uh, Hfrum Jews in Israel unfortunately are willing to go along with it as long as they get a few, a few dollars, which they say are going to yeshivas, but really are going to pay for salaries in the offices of the, uh, Askan or Chavei Eretz. I can't remember where we were starting with this.

1:21:07 Speaker 1 So y- I asked you about, um, like what's a, a misconception-

1:21:10 Speaker 2 Oh, a misconception

1:21:11 Speaker 1 ... that people have. What-

1:21:12 Speaker 2 So a misconception of the Moshel, uh, kids are always raised on, on, on cool stories about the Mossad, the Moshel. The reality is, is that, um, there are terrorist attacks every day in Ju- in, in Yehuda and Shomron. Are they Mazed? There's shootings, there's stonings. Unless someone dies, unless a few people die, I don't know what's really done about it. Does the Mossad try to go find them? Do they, do they, do they disarm an entire village to make sure such a thing doesn't happen again? I, I highly doubt it. And it's because of their shit that they don't... Batson believe that-- They Batson believe that, that, that those Arabs there have a right to be there, almost more than the Jews.

1:22:00 Speaker 1 See, and the gover- the government, the Israeli government believes this.

1:22:03 Speaker 2 The Israeli government believes it, and the people who run the Mossad believe it, so that's how... You see in this country also, suddenly the border, the border, border crossings, I mean, the deportations, they're still a scam, but the, the actual... The new, the new, uh, entries into the country are down significantly. What changed? What actually changed? The laws didn't change. The personnel didn't change. The word from the top changed, that this is we're gonna start enforcing stuff. So the whole Mossad could change with two people on top deciding we're gonna start enforcing and make this-

1:22:34 Speaker 1 So the, the reason why the government doesn't wanna enforce this is because they... So th-s- they're lacking the, the, the ganayankev or the, the... I'm not sure what word I'm looking for, but the-

1:22:49 Speaker 2 They're lacking the conviction-

1:22:50 Speaker 1 The conviction, yeah

1:22:51 Speaker 2 ... that this is actually their land.

1:22:53 Speaker 1 That we belong here, this is our land. And, uh, and, and, you know, e-even in, in their narrative, you know, uh, we won a war a-and it's our country now. So, so the... See, seeing the, the, the, the whole structure of the government-

1:23:07 Speaker 2 When it's your neighbor's house, how, how mu- how much effort do you put into making sure your neighbor's house is safe? At some point you feel like, I mean, that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

1:23:53 Speaker 1 So what do you want from anyone else?

1:24:10 Speaker 2 I was speaking to a yid yesterday, and he says that he gets into fights with some of his Jewish friends because he says that there's no... They're all, they're all terrorists. Yeah? And they say-

1:24:21 Speaker 1 Who's all terrorists?

1:24:22 Speaker 2 All the people in, in Gaza. It's not just, it's not just one.

1:24:26 Speaker 1 All, all the citizens, yeah.

1:24:27 Speaker 2 That China, that all Gaza's terrorists. And his friends-

1:24:29 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:24:29 Speaker 2 ... Jewish friends are, don't like it. They think he's too radical, whatever.

1:24:32 Speaker 1 Right.

1:24:33 Speaker 2 I said, "Do you really... Who, you know who came up with this whole theory? That they're not... That, that there's peaceful c-citizens and there's terrorists, and we have to take out the terrorists, and then everything will just automatically become peaceful." It's the Jews who came up with that. Because the Jews, they don't, they don't believe it's their land, so they don't wanna take responsibility to secure that. They, they don't... They're not... They, they're afraid, they, they're afraid if they decide that we are going to become responsible to make sure this, this, your patch of land is secure, how can we do that? It's not our, it's not our, it's not our land. How can we take it over like that? And so what are we gonna do? We can't let them continue terrorizing us, so we have to go and go to war and destroy a bunch of places and kill a bunch of terrorists. But then the world's gonna say, "What are you doing? You're killing people." So we have to come up with this narrative that, "No, no, no, we're, we're not retaking the land. We're not st- killing people. We're just killing the terrorists." It's, it's, it's a narrative that they created to basically allow them to conti- to continue living the lie that it's not ours at all, and at the same time go to war over there. Why, why are you going, why, why... What are you going to war over and over and over again in a place that's,

1:25:50 Speaker 2 in a land that's not yours? Stop going around killing people. What are you doing? You have to, you have to keep your country secure, but who, who, who continues continuously bombing and, and invading and, and special mis- uh, operations in another person's country like Lo Limvod? I mean, even last year. So they came up with this narrative that, "What are we gonna do?" I mean, as long as we have, as long as we have a terrorist to blame it on, we're comfortable continuing to do limited activities to protect Eretz Yisrael. But the world doesn't, the world doesn't buy that. That's, that's, uh, Hasbara people buy it. That's, that's, that's people who are... Don't even know themselves what they want by that. What they, what you're supposed to say is, "This is our land, Eretz Yisrael. We belong here." In the Fabregen of Lag BaOmer, Lag BaOmer of Shmem, rebbe's talking about the, the... Rebbe's talking about the Frum Jews who say that al pi halakha, in order not to enrage the Goyim, you, you're supposed to give away, give up the... You have to give away land. Give up the But they hope, the Rebbe says, these same people who give out these piskedinim are hoping that nobody will take them up on their psak and say, "Wait, if we have to give up Gaza for, for not to enrage Goyim, and if we have to give up Hebron, then we also have to give up," the Rebbe lists, "Tel Aviv, and Bnei Brak, and

1:27:25 Speaker 2 Kfar Chabad, and Hadera, and Naz- and Nazareth." The Rebbe lists like all a bunch of cities, well, they give those up also to, to, to ret- to re- to, to keep the peace. There's no difference. If Jews believe that Tel- if, if they would really believe that Tel Aviv is theirs, not just that we've been living there for so long, but it's really ours, then they would be very comfortable doing whatever they need to secure Tel Aviv. As the problem is not only -- the problem is not just that-

1:28:02 Speaker 1 I mean, you see, you see, you see this today, partially happening in real time, because it's no longer, "Oh, there, there's the scud- there's, um, scuds. There's, um, uh-

1:28:12 Speaker 2 Rockets

1:28:12 Speaker 1 ... missiles coming from- rockets coming from, uh, Gaza." I mean, every part of Eretz Yisrael today, every other day, has sirens going off.

1:28:21 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:28:22 Speaker 1 So it's like, uh, uh, it's partially like the Hamakashat. Then you could've said, "Yeah, it, it's the Lebanon, it's, it's, it's this, it's that, it's Yehuda Shemona." The-- we see today that this attitude that Eretz Yisrael, that the government has had, has led to literally every single part of Eretz Yisrael being included, uh, uh, pa- part, part of this picture. And yet, doesn't seem that their attitude has changed. I mean, look at-- I just saw yesterday, um, the, the, they announced that they're gonna go back and they're taking over the whole Gaza. Now, and then, then they announced today, "Oh, we're waiting to see what Trump talks about in," I think, in Qatar, wherever he's going. Some, some... They're not even part of the negotiation, but waiting to see what he comes up with there before we go further.

1:29:05 Speaker 2 Yeah. In other words, their-- Kolmer, their greatest achievement is just manipulating their constituents that they have some type of plan. And they're, uh, they, they're just waiting on this person, waiting on that person-

1:29:18 Speaker 1 The Rebbe spoke about this

1:29:19 Speaker 2 ... considering this.

1:29:20 Speaker 1 The Rebbe spoke about this?

1:29:22 Speaker 2 In the exact words I'm saying, not. But in this Rebbe, for example, the Rebbe talks about that, um, that they try, that their whole goal, their only agenda after a terrorist attack is how to hide it from the public, because they don't want the repercussions of it for themselves, they fe- scared it's gonna affect how their, their foreign policy dealings. Um, and the Rebbe says, "You can't hide. Everyone in the world knows about it." The pub- the press and, and, and Yichus L'Art has covered it, the Arabs all know about it. It's just in Israel they try to, they, they, they, they, they censor it.

1:29:52 Speaker 1 So let me, let me take it the opposite direction.

1:29:55 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:29:55 Speaker 1 'Cause, 'cause w- and I, I, I know from, from what I know about Shomrei Haim, I know Bachlal, it's very important for everyone to remember in ourselves that we can't-- with when the Rebbe's Emes, and you can't box it into one thing 'cause it's usually wrong, right? So, right, uh, so is it left? Is it right? It's, it's usually somewhere in the middle. So let me, let me take it, let me tell, tell you what like the, the... I, I, it's called the right is saying. And, and let me ask you what, what the Rebbe, like says about this. So, so what do you do? Okay, Gaza, what do you do? Yeah. So there's a lot of people screaming, "What do you mean? Dresden, uh, Berlin, nineteen four- nineteen forty-five." Is that what the Rebbe's saying? Bomb the whole thing? Well, what, what, what's the, what's the, what's the s- after all our mistakes, fi- now what, what's, what's the mil- military solution or the political solution to, to, to that, what's happening today?

1:30:51 Speaker 2 It's very simple. The second that the Arabs see that the Jews are serious about retaking full control permanently of these places, the second that happens, and the second they see that they're all their politi- their international pressure and internal pressure is not changing the resolve of the Jews, the second that happens, the w- everything is resolved. You don't e- you... That's something you don't even have to kill one per, k- one Arab for that.

1:31:25 Speaker 1 So you're saying it's a vacuum. Everything that's happening, their, their attacks and our answers to their attacks is because there's this vacuum. One, one, one-

1:31:34 Speaker 2 And talking about bombing, talking about Dresden is partially right-wing hyperbole, has no... It, it just, it comes from a complete lack of understanding of, of, of... Basically, if, if in other words, if you would know how, how, how ill-prepared and how la-- how much there's no strategy, if you know all the things that they're not doing, which have no- which are, have are worlds apart of bombing, like doing a Dresden bombing, then you would, you would say like... In other words, i- i- i- um, you know, the minor, the, the guy, I don't know if it's a real minor. Nowadays, we have to check. The guy said that he had, there was a, there was a, it was, he had a break-in in his house, and he's, and he-

1:32:21 Speaker 1 Yeah, that is a real minor

1:32:22 Speaker 2 ... betach.

1:32:24 Speaker 1 He wrote to the Rebbe that he should check his, his, I think it was his... Yeah. He wrote to the Rebbe, "Should I check my mezuzahs 'cause they broke into my house?" The Rebbe said, "You should close the windows." The Rebbe said, "."

1:32:35 Speaker 2 Yeah. Really? It's actually real minor.

1:32:37 Speaker 1 It's not, it, it's not... We have the actual . It's printed. ""

1:32:43 Speaker 2 . So, so same thing with Israel. Before, before, before you start, uh, uh, bomb, nuc- using your nuclear bombs-

1:32:50 Speaker 1 Your, your Dresden

1:32:51 Speaker 2 ... bombing Dresden-

1:32:52 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:32:53 Speaker 2 ... First of all, a, a, a Kolmer, the same day that Iran, that Iran fired four hundred, uh, supersonic or whatever they call it, rockets at Israel, and they, and they took them out, whoever took them out, all the seven countries that were involved in that, uh, in that, uh, charade.

1:33:09 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:33:11 Speaker 2 That same day, there were seven Jews murdered in Jaffa. Seven Jews How? Not with, uh, bombs and rockets from Iran. One Arab with a machine gun mowed down seven Jews. That had nothing to do with Iran. It had nothing to do with, nothing to do with Gaza for that matter. It was simply the Jewish management, they shouldn't even c- should never be called a government for the way they, for the way they've been handling their country for, for, for so many decades. They're a me- they're, they're a bad management company. The way they... The mismanagement that they don't even secure proper, proper, proper security. It's funner to shoot down rockets in the sky. It takes much more commitment than persistence to make sure that no n- that a terrorist with a machine gun can, can walk into the streets-

1:34:02 Speaker 1 So-

1:34:02 Speaker 2 ... of Yaffa and shoot dead seven people.

1:34:03 Speaker 1 So, so this is what the rabbi was saying, that the Etzem D'Amim, just talking about giving away land is sakanas nefashos.

1:34:11 Speaker 2 Oh, so that's-

1:34:11 Speaker 1 So-

1:34:11 Speaker 2 That was the, that was the main misconception I wanted to get to in this fabricant like Bamer, Tofshim mem.

1:34:17 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, 'cause people... Okay, h-here's a misconception.

1:34:19 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:34:19 Speaker 1 I'll give you a misconception. I think, I think I'm going along with you. Misconception is, okay, don't give away land. That makes sense. And by the way, I think Mo- uh, the drive, percentage-wise of Israel today is in agreement that giving away land doesn't make sense. But what I mean, you, you need political, you know, uh, po- position, you have to position yourself politically so you can talk about it. What, what was the rabbi saying that the... Just talking about it is sakanas nefashos, Etzem D'Amim. Why?

1:34:43 Speaker 2 I'll be-

1:34:43 Speaker 1 Is-

1:34:43 Speaker 2 My misconception, they say, "But what do you mean? There's... We, we never had another war with Egypt."

1:34:49 Speaker 1 Right. Oh, yeah.

1:34:50 Speaker 2 So what?

1:34:50 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

1:34:50 Speaker 2 I don't... Yeah.

1:34:51 Speaker 1 By the way, what's so wrong giving away land? Uh, whatever, with a piece of... Yeah, giving away land, then, uh, agreement with Egypt still stands. Yeah.

1:34:58 Speaker 2 So you don't need to have any reverse analysis. You don't need any hagation. You don't need to look in the news. In this fabricant, the rabbi already talks about that this shooting in Hebron is a result of the Camp David Accords. It emboldened, it, it, it, it diluted the, the, the, the, uh, the deterrence. They're not afraid anymore. They see that Jews are not fully committed to their security. They're willing to give away oil fields, which, by the way, any other country in the world would literally sacrifice 90% of their population in a war not to give up a single oil field. That's a fact.

1:35:37 Speaker 1 That's the resources.

1:35:38 Speaker 2 That, that is like the most war resource. Putin, Putin will use his nukes before he gives up a single, a single natural resource o-of Russia. Now, he's a, he's a big power, Florida, but no o- any country in the world will never... A natural resource like that, never, they'll never give it up. Israel gave it away partially because they got... Someone smiled at them in the UN over, over a few cocktails. Um, and so when they saw that, an Arab in Hebron, not the, not, not the, not the Egyptian military, not the Syrian military. An Arab in Hebron saw that. They're well aware of what's going on, right? Despite, despite how the Israeli press tries to spin, tried to spin the Camp David Accords, that it's some type of peace process. Calmer, their only success is manipulating the minds of their own people, but the Arabs know the truth. By the way, I just saw a clip of a terrorist who, um, a terrorist who... Was he the one who did the attack in Hebron? I, I have to check up w-where, where, what is, um, which terrorist attack it is. He had Jewish blood on his hands. He's being interviewed by an Arab, uh, media outlet, and I think they were taking him to task, Hai Tochen, he, he agreed to the Oslo Accords. Was too pro-Israel or something. I don't know. It's, it was not the all or nothing. I think they were having kindness. Hai Tochen even did it. And he says,

1:37:06 Speaker 2 "What do you mean? The Oslo Accords let the resistance come to life. Until Oslo, we couldn't move a pistol from one, from one town to another. We couldn't set up training camps." Of course they-

1:37:14 Speaker 1 That's interesting, 'cause I was about to say, there's a difference, there's a shift in Israel's wars that Amal, it was partially the countries, Six Day War, then the War of Independence, you know, Yom Kippur War. It's all the countries. And now, whatever, since then, we're dealing with terrorist groups, but it follows along very well. They don't... The countries don't need to fight because the Arab population and the youngsters and, and, and, and all these terrorist groups are emboldened to fight Israel. So let them do the dirty work. Very good.

1:37:46 Speaker 2 100%.

1:37:47 Speaker 1 It's, it's pa- it's part of it to direct, uh... Yeah.

1:37:51 Speaker 2 Besides that, um, if you're... The Jews, the, the, the Jewish government in Israel never f- never realized that they're not running a, a, a, a sandwich joint in, in Lodge like their predecessors. They're running, you're running a country. You have to plan long-term. Yes, right now there's no war with Egypt, and you're able to buy oil somewhere else. But what do you mean long-term? What, you don't give away oil fields. What's, what's your long... You're ru- You're running a... Is, are you seriously planning to stay here? Is this, is this your country, or is this a, a fun experiment, so you could have Hebrew, Hebrew, uh, uh, movie theaters? Like, what's going on here exactly? But besides for that, here the rabbi clearly spells out that the shooting in Hebron in Shevat and the terrorist attack that followed is a direct result of the Camp David Accords. And the, the rabbis, and, and this part that everyone always, uh, knows from the Midrash is Chanukah involved, as Biz, Biz, Biz the, Biz the Camp David, The rabbi says this over here, the same thing, that they would never, they would never, maybe there or maybe Parshas Tisah or Lamat Esah. I could be, I'm confusing.

1:38:55 Speaker 1 The rabbi said in Beshaite, no? Or not, maybe not. Okay.

1:38:58 Speaker 2 Parshas Tisah or Lamat Esah, rabbi talks about that, uh, they would never dare show aggression to, to the Israeli military, and here they're throwing stones at them and very, very first-

1:39:08 Speaker 1 So you're saying, you're so, so, so you're saying a misconception is, what do you mean Egypt worked out? Egypt is, i-i-i-is the backdrop between everything we're seeing today. The fact that there is an agreement bechal is the, is the, is a direct backdrop to the, to, to what is happening now.

1:39:25 Speaker 2 The rabbi also, during the Lebanon war, the rabbi says that the, the, the extra em- the emboldenment of the, of the PLO in Lebanon was Behemshech to what they saw happen in Camp, in the Camp David Accords. And Calmer, you know, they, this, the, the Jews could deny this from today till tomorrow. You could have the Western press explain that that's not what happened. Talk to the Arabs. They'll tell you the truth. They'll be very happy to tell you the truth. But the Jews refuse to listen to the truth. They'd rather listen-- They'd rather live in a fantasy land where they can imagine that they have a, a really amazing Mossad. And by the way, the rabbi in the fabricant, the rabbi says about it, says this, that Mossad is Yedua Bechol HaOlam Kuli to be the best, uh, um, intelligence agency. But what good does it do you if you're not, you're not, you're not act- you're not trying to protect your citizens? Trying to, you're just trying to play games and show you could kill people in Iran.

1:40:19 Speaker 1 Beepers.

1:40:20 Speaker 2 Beeper attacks. The L'Poel, this, this, the attack, what they did with Hezbollah, and there was no question it was Kafia Kavana. What they did, I mean, but, but the style is like, uh, uh, uh, lo leilam chesin. You let them come back, and now they, you know, count down a new, a new type of event.

1:40:35 Speaker 1 So the problem, the problem is not Gaza. The problem is, I think I heard this from you once, says if you look, if you're lo- looking to buy a house, you'll check Zillow, the crime rate in the neighborhood. You probably won't buy a house in a neighborhood that has, "Once in a while, we have rockets, every month or two, every week or two," whatever. Like, you're probably not gonna bu- buy a house there. So it's not about the, the, there's... I think what the Rebbe wanted is that the Israeli government should create an environment where the, the whole, the whole land is safe. And not, not that, that we win every war, or that we have the best, we have, we have the best intelligence, or that, you know, we rely, uh, on Nebuchadnezzar's miracles in the Gulf War and the Iran bombings, you know, just happened now.

1:41:20 Speaker 2 Veshavtem lo vetach ba'aretzem. Like the Rebbe always repeats the passage from Lech Lecha, that every year it should be peace.

1:41:27 Speaker 1 The Rebbe always, the Rebbe, another term that the Rebbe always uses, shalom amiti.

1:41:31 Speaker 2 Shalom amiti.

1:41:32 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes, sh- yes, there should be shalom. Shalom amiti.

1:41:36 Speaker 2 I was, uh, in a Moises Chinuch, uh, uh, over here. One of the girls asked, "Do we want... Are we, are we pro-peace or against peace?" Something 12-year-old girls. Yeah.

1:41:56 Speaker 1 You spoke in the school.

1:41:58 Speaker 2 It's a class, yeah. They had, the only pictures on the wall was of Trump. I said, "Not even a Yid, at least another Yid on the wall."

1:42:06 Speaker 1 It's a Lubavitcher school?

1:42:10 Speaker 2 So he said, "What do you mean? Trump was by the oil."

1:42:13 Speaker 1 No.

1:42:14 Speaker 2 So I was thinking, actually, as the Chazal says about Moshiach, that Moshiach comes, they view as Yis- as Yisrael beklei mincha. They're gonna, the goyim are gonna bring the Yidden as gift. Moshiach is gonna be a rich man. He won't need, like Elon Musk is gonna give a gift to Moshiach. He won't need, uh, golden jets from Qatar. It's like he's gonna... Moshiach is the meishab chol haolam kule. The goyim is gonna bring a gift to Moshiach. What's he gonna bring? He's gonna bring a Yid, another Yid who's trying to hide his, uh, Yid, his ne- his neighbor Jerry, who thought everyone thought he's Protestant. The vile, you know, every goyim on the block knows he's Jewish, but he thinks that no one knows. So they're gonna bring the Yid. They'll say, "Here, Moshiach, na'adir hayid." Trump, he brought Yidden to the Rebbe. The Yidden, he came with him. I don't know if they ever came before. I don't know when the next time they'll come is. But Kapon, he brought them one. Kapon, he brought them once. Anyway, so they said, "Are we, are we pro-peace?" They wanted to know, "Are we pro-peace?" I said, "Yeah, we l- uh, peace is a nice thing. I mean, our priority is not peace, though. Our priority is security." I said, "I- if somebody, if somebody, if your neighbor dumps his tra- dumps that trash in your yard, and you start cursing at them, and they start cursing at you, and you fight with each other for,

1:43:29 Speaker 2 for two months, and then you say, 'You know what?' Your neighbor says, 'What do you mean? Our, our, our relationship has just gone down the drain. Maybe we should, uh, make a peace process.' What's the peace process? You clean up the garbage from my yard. 'No, no, he's not cleaning up the garbage.' You gotta stop dumping garbage in my yard. 'No, no, not stopping.' But at least we're gonna stop yelling at each other. Is that peace? No, it's insanity." Anyways, it's, uh-

1:43:57 Speaker 1 So, so it's, uh-

1:43:57 Speaker 2 It's a Marshall, it's a Marshall Hedayat. I don't know if it's Meduyek.

1:44:00 Speaker 1 It's a Shalom Amiti. That's the idea.

1:44:02 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:44:03 Speaker 1 True peace.

1:44:06 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:44:07 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:44:08 Speaker 2 Um, Al Kapon, so you say this like a sicha because here the Rebbe also talks about another inyan that people don't realize, which I, I started getting a better understanding of more. But if you listen, if you... Actually, listen, if you look at the Sichat Haketzav, Taf Shin Bet-

1:44:21 Speaker 1 Taf Shin Bet

1:44:21 Speaker 2 ... the Rebbe says, the first thing the Rebbe says, "Sichil Hashem. Sichil Hashem," that a Yid talks about his w- willingness to give away l- land. Sichil Hashem in the language the Rebbe spoke from, from Midlan Etches.

1:44:32 Speaker 1 He, he, he wasn't the president. He was then. He was, uh, Chavakhesed, right?

1:44:35 Speaker 2 Yeah, Chavakhesed or some-

1:44:36 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:44:36 Speaker 2 ... minister of something.

1:44:38 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:44:40 Speaker 2 So generally, the Rebbe speaks in our lashon of Koch Nafesh. But in the ear- before, before, um, before Chavdal Tei- before Teves Lamed Ches, the language the Rebbe, the Rebbe didn't talk about Shonchof Tes, really. Um, the Rebbe talked about pract-- like in Lamed Dal with the, the Fabrenger's post, post-Yom Kippur War, the Rebbe did talk about, you know, s- s- that the, the, the peace they're making is causing, is causing casualties. But generally, the Rebbe spoke Hai Tochen that a land that the Hebesche gave to the Yidden, and Hai Tochen that you're, you're willing to give it away. He has to say that's unclar, that it belongs to the Yidden. But there's also this language, if you re- if you, if you, if you, if you listen close carefully, ungrateful. It's ungrateful that Hashem gave the Yidden a gift. The Rebbe talks about a lot of times how it was a gift. The Six Day War, the Hebesche gave the Yidden a gift. Why is it a gift? Because the Jews did not want to take over, uh, Yehuda and Shomron. They were hoping the Jordanians wouldn't start up with them. They didn't make proper plans for Yehuda and Shomron, Meduber and the Igress.

1:46:01 Speaker 1 This is the Six Day War?

1:46:03 Speaker 2 Yeah, the Six Day War.

1:46:04 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:46:04 Speaker 2 They were hoping that there would, would be a- They would be able to show how cool the military is, and everyone will just go back home. They didn't actually-- They didn't really wanna conquer a lot of land.

1:46:15 Speaker 1 You're saying like, uh, what they do now in Lebanon, whatever, a little miftsach, a little thing.

1:46:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. They like miftsachs. They like everyone... The whole world should say, "Wow." And they-

1:46:23 Speaker 1 But-

1:46:23 Speaker 2 The I- the, uh, the IAF is just amazing.

1:46:27 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:46:27 Speaker 2 They're so cool. They have such cool tricks, planes. Um, but to actually conquer land and manage it, that's too much work. Omer, they never realized that they're running a country. How they aim as a-- with people's lives. Particularly Yehuda Mesulam, they did-- they clearly did not wanna conquer. They made no plans for it. Um, and then Hashem forced them to. The Jordanians attacked. They ran-- the, the Jordanians ran away. They basically forced the, the-- in the, in the words of Yud-Shvat HaShlamit, "B'yod hazaka em l'chalich," and God forced the Jews to have Yerushalayim, to have Hebron, to have Shechem, to have traditional Israel. They'd have a force-

1:47:07 Speaker 1 Right

1:47:07 Speaker 2 ... that God forced it upon them. And am I touching the wires there?

1:47:15 Speaker 1 You're good, you're good.

1:47:18 Speaker 2 Yeah. It was a question of Matanah for the Eretz. The Eretz, they want them-- they want the Yiden, want the Yiden to have it. And what do the Yiden do? The second they get it, they say, "No, no, no, we don't actually intend to keep it. We're willing to give it back. We just, we just want, uh, ches, peace deal," whatever, whatever phony words they use then. By the way, in the Februaryan here, the Rebbe says that the truth of the matter is that there's ever since they sent that delegation to say that they're willing to give back land, they're willing to give back all the land, that itself caused terror-- em-em-emboldened terrorism for the, for the years to follow. But particularly, it act-- picked up exception-- especially from the Camp David Accords. Anyways, where are we going with this?

1:48:00 Speaker 1 You're talking about what the Rebbe said about, um-

1:48:02 Speaker 2 Oh

1:48:02 Speaker 1 ... that the Eretz they gave them, Yehuda Mesulam.

1:48:05 Speaker 2 And for Yiden to be willing to give it back, even to talk about giving it back, is poshit, so ungrateful to the Eretz. Kfu Yetiva. Despite the Eretz Yisrael ponim, basically, gives you a Matanah. "I don't want it. I don't need it." Rebbe in this Februaryan also quotes words that from Yiden in Israel were saying then, "We can manage without it. We didn't always have it. It's not that important."

1:48:29 Speaker 1 The Golan. That's something else.

1:48:32 Speaker 2 Uh, Golan, probably. I mean, Golan was amazing.

1:48:34 Speaker 1 That was later. Yeah, the episode two thousand-

1:48:37 Speaker 2 Okay.

1:48:37 Speaker 1 He said to release two thousand-

1:48:38 Speaker 2 Zvei taitin yarad on the Golan, yeah. Um, but the, in this Februaryan, like, vey men the Rebbe basically talks, spells out that when you are-- you're, you're poshit... The, the whole world saw that the Eretz made a miracle for the Yiden and gave them this land. The, the way I, I... This is my understanding of the Sicha. I'm not saying this is the only understanding. But the s- the beginning of the Sicha starts off how you raise a child with a Jewish education, you don't worry about how they're gonna make a living because you understand, at the end of the day, it's about, uh, the Eretz is the one who provides. He just wants you to do something about it. If we believe that the Eretz is real, and he gives us a gift, then we don't, uh, you don't, you don't say, "Well, maybe it was a mistake. Maybe Israel is not mine. Maybe, maybe there's no Eretz. Maybe he didn't really give Eretz Israel to Yiden. Maybe it's, maybe it's not serious. Maybe it's something we learn about in Chumash." That's a Chil Hashem. The whole world saw that God gave Israel to the Jewish people. They know it from the beginning, and he saw the, the Nisan gloom of the Six-Day War. And now that a Yid should come and say, "Uh, lav davka, I don't know if I need it," it's possibly the biggest Chil Hashem that could be. A Chil, a Chil Hashem... Besides for the Pikuach Nefesh aspect, a

1:50:00 Speaker 2 Chil Hashem like that in itself is, is, is, is a, is the biggest disaster. Now, granted, if there was a matter of a Pikuach Nefesh, that giving away would save a Yid's life, you would say that maybe Chil Hashem could be overlooked. But the Inyan Shel Atzma of giving away a gift that Eretz gave, gave Yiden. So in that Februaryan, the Rebbe separates the two inyanim. For number one, that it's being Kfu Yetiva, and number two, the Sheun Hafetz, uh, a problem with the posha Eretz of Pikuach Nefesh to even talk about, uh, uh, um, up to that in front of Shal. Anyways.

1:50:36 Speaker 1 Now, where does the language Af Shal come from that the Rebbe's mentions?

1:50:39 Speaker 2 Af Shal, I don't even know if it's from, uh... I mean, the word Shal is from Te- is a word they use in Teyre, but the Af Shal I think might be like a Jabotinsky, uh, line actually.

1:50:48 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Okay. So my question is, after listening to all, you laying this out very well, um, let, let's go a little-

1:51:01 Speaker 2 I just wanna give a psakim, you know, before, before you go in the lum. Every Hasid is responsible-

1:51:10 Speaker 1 Oh, oh, that's what I wanted to ask you. Okay, go, go, go. Talk, talk, talk.

1:51:13 Speaker 2 Every Hasid is responsible to b- to care and to know what the Rebbe's position on Shlome's audits is. I mean, how... It's not even a question. So many hours the Rebbe spoke about it. And just from a, from a plain Jewish perspective, it's Eretz Yisroel. There's a land where five million, uh, uh, five million Yiden live. This represents Klal Yisroel V'chol Olam Kuli. It was... It's the most important w- the, the, the one of the two most important things to the Rebbe.

1:51:50 Speaker 1 And one of the things the Rebbe said a lot about Shlome's audits, it doesn't only affect the United Israel, it affects Yid, this, the, the se- it's a sakana of the Yid all over the world. And we see-

1:52:00 Speaker 2 Klal Yisroel basically-

1:52:01 Speaker 1 We see that clearly. L- l- look at the, you know, the, the... Everyone likes to talk about antisemitism.

1:52:05 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:52:05 Speaker 1 It's not even a question that the whole, our whole existence- In America and every, any other, other, and every other country is directly affected in a negative way by what's happening in Eretz Yisrael. It's like it's not... It, it, it's like you s- I, I, I had an anti-Semitic, uh, uh, incident this Shabbos, uh, uh, in Stanford, Connecticut, that, that never, ever happened to me in the, in nine years that I lived here.

1:52:30 Speaker 2 A-and, and Michalo, it's very, it's also very important to, to, to, to, to raising Am Yisrael because many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Eretz Yisrael, many more, I'm sure in Chutz La'aretz, are going through an identity crisis. Are we Israelis? Do we, do we belong in this country? Are we colonizers? Are we evil savages? Are we genocidal? Are my brothers in Israel, are, are my, are my fellow Jews genocidal? Like, this is a crisis that-

1:53:03 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah

1:53:04 Speaker 2 ... engulfs huge swaths of Yidden. And a lot of times, those who are not in crisis, it's not because they have a klita, it's because they're just buying hasbara hook, line, and sinker, and they're surrounded by counter-protests with, with Israeli flags. They, they bachal never... No, they never question what they're doing. They don't actually have a real chinuch on the subject.

1:53:28 Speaker 1 So to act-

1:53:28 Speaker 2 The Rebbe gives, is every chassid, and, and, and the way to... Y-he have to listen to the sichos, yeah? There's no other way.

1:53:35 Speaker 1 So listen, I have, I have a question. I have a question that's connected to this.

1:53:38 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:53:41 Speaker 1 Number one, people wanna know, okay, but what do we do now? Israel has messed this up over so many decades. So how do you backtrack all of this? And this is related to chasidim, what are we supposed to do about this? You know, especially if you're in Eretz Yisrael, and you can have influence, and you're actually, you know, there in the country. But even us bachaleilim kulam, not even, 'cause the Rebbe says that Eretz Yisrael neged every year because, uh, because Israel belongs to every year. But, like, A, how do you backtrack all of this negative things that's been happening in one day? And B, what do we... Like, what, what do we do about that? It's, it's depressing. Like, what, what can we do about this?

1:54:19 Speaker 2 So when I get into the first thing, it seems like we're so far gone. Let's... I don't, I don't think that's true. It's part of the hasbara nonsense. Not hasbara nonsense, part of the manipulation tactics of the people, the decision-makers in Israel. They don't want their constituents to say, "How you talking? You're not securing... How, how you talking after all, after two years and three thousand deaths, there's still rockets on Sderot and still rockets on Ashkelon." They don't wanna have the Chinese-

1:54:52 Speaker 1 And, and on, and on the Ben Gurion Airport.

1:54:55 Speaker 2 I know, right. Exactly, and on Ben Gurion Airport now also. So they wanna be able to say, "The ship has sailed, you know. As long as they're not invading your house and, and slaughtering your whole family, you know, we're, we're, we're doing pretty good."

1:55:06 Speaker 1 And if they do that once in a while, we'll fight back. Okay.

1:55:08 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:55:09 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:55:09 Speaker 2 As long as it's long enough that you could've... You already forgotten the last time. So I don't bel- I never... I don't believe a word they say when they say that, "We can't do this, we can't do that." It's balonyuses. It's, uh, chazaka that it's balonyuses. So I, I, I don't, I, I don't, I'm not even gonna bother going into an investigation and figuring out what they could do. Uh, chazaka that they could do. Torah wants them to take care of it. There's no question they could take care of it, and they have a chazaka of making a, of lying all the time about stuff they can't do. And so, uh, this, this is not worth paying attention to. They have all excuses. The, the, the US doesn't let us, the UN doesn't let us, the, the, the Su- the, the Supreme Court in Israel is so an-- is, is, is stopping us. Um, I don't know. It's, uh-

1:55:58 Speaker 1 Right, they're probably very upset

1:55:59 Speaker 2 ... it's the Oslo Accords, it's this accord. They'll blame it on anything they want.

1:56:02 Speaker 1 It was pr- it was probably very upsetting for them when Trump said, "Do whatever you gotta do," and they, uh-

1:56:08 Speaker 2 Yeah

1:56:08 Speaker 1 ... were, were, uh-

1:56:08 Speaker 2 Like, you know the story, you know the, the story the Rebbe says in Purim Zayin about Hashebenaiah, that, uh, Malchi Yisrael didn't let the Yidden, didn't let the people be a For hundreds of years.

1:56:19 Speaker 1 Well, then... Yeah, yeah.

1:56:21 Speaker 2 Then the last one, the Malchi Yisrael, he s- he saw that his, uh, he wasn't so intimidated by Malchi Yud anymore, or he figured, like, figured he lo- he doesn't have much to lose anyways, so he said, "Okay, uh, you can always can be a Ledero. Have fun, whoever wants." And no one did. They weren't interested. So that was actually, he blamed one, Hashebenaiah, how he talked and he put the Yidden in such a position where they could be bla- where they, they could be held res- respon-- uh, accountable.

1:56:51 Speaker 1 Accountable. Accountable.

1:56:52 Speaker 2 Although the, uh, American president comes and says, "Do whatever you want," you know, like they say.

1:57:01 Speaker 1 Sounds better than Yiddish, yeah. Uh, um-

1:57:04 Speaker 2 But again, the second shailah, what can we do? So first of all, again, like, like, Bechir Toshem is a nice, a nice second sicha. The story, the Rebbe tells a story about Rashbi. He said, "Torah," and he It started raining. So the Rebbe asked the shailah, "You can't use Torah to make it rain." What does that mean? The gave you a special set of tefillas to say. You say, "Made it, I guess," um, you say the same Taleh Matoh. In Torah, there's a whole series of fasts, a whole say that in how you, you fast, and you daven, and you make minyan out, outside on the street. There's a whole say that how to make it rain. That's what the wants you to use when it needs to rain. You can't just do whatever you want, uh, start saying Torah. You... That's not what Torah's made for. How could Rashbi have done such a thing? So the Rebbe answers in the sicha that Rashbi Torah is the blueprint of the world. He was . He was saying , that's all. Obviously, once you , the world's gonna change based on the . So yes, Lemar, first of all, as- By other chassid that's saying "" that's what the rabbi wants is from "" that itself-

1:58:21 Speaker 1 That, that itself is an accomplishment

1:58:23 Speaker 2 ... just "" I'm not a, I'm not... Some people are "" So maybe you'll have them on.

1:58:30 Speaker 1 We know some of them.

1:58:31 Speaker 2 We know some of them. I sat, but we believe in Torah. Torah as a, Torah as a Baal Teshuva felt how good for that by other at least every chassid the rabbi says, "I'm """, it's already an accomplishment. Now, begashmi is practice. If by other chassid is obviously like "" and he understands them, I mean, "" that he won't end up sharing it with someone else, and "" that'll change other people's opinions, and "" will make a difference. There's no question that the, the one, the Yidden in Israel have a different role to play. I think this is my personal opinion, that the rabbi really expects people in Israel to hit the streets, basically, to, to make a revolt un-until the government ch-changes-

1:59:17 Speaker 1 The Lubavitchers, the Shluchim?

1:59:20 Speaker 2 Every Jew. A Shluchim Jewish. Um-

1:59:27 Speaker 1 Some people, some people say it's not our shlichus, it's not our thing. Uh-

1:59:30 Speaker 2 In Israel, it's not their shlichus

1:59:32 Speaker 1 ... our, our identity is to be "" in oil and the

1:59:35 Speaker 2 In Israel? I don't know. Not really sure about that. Maybe. But who they're gonna do Movsein with if they're getting all hit by rockets? I don't know. Maybe. Doesn't sound right to me. Sounds like baloney.

1:59:53 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

1:59:54 Speaker 2 Um, but-

1:59:54 Speaker 1 So I gu- I gu- I guess this is all connected to the way we spoke about before, that a, a healthy chassid, Pashin needs to learn, watch, listen to Fablingens you know, in a, on a regular basis. Like they have to be tuned in to the Rebbe.

2:00:16 Speaker 2 Uh, it can happen, it can happen "" Torah and can, uh, every day, every hour, whatever, however often. Why would you, why would you say no to something like that? Pashas from a prac- from a pers- personal, personal fulfillment, uh, point of view. Um, I guess maybe 'cause, uh, people don't... It's hard for them to... They don't understand the Secus, the Yiddish. They're not used to following the Rebbe. That could be a challenge.

2:00:45 Speaker 1 Yeah. So, um, well, I mean, I... The... Well, it's to, to be able to listen to Fablingens properly. I mean, obviously, we're in the, we're... You have to know Yiddish when you have to know Torah 'cause the Rebbe speaks a, a shprach of, uh, of Torah, so you have to have a background. So if not, you're gonna have to... I mean, things, things, things are in English. By the way, I told the, the people in Secus in English there's a set Secus in English, which is Pasha synopsis of the Rebbe's Fablingen. It's like, like-

2:01:15 Speaker 2 Yeah, I actually looked at this my, my class last night

2:01:17 Speaker 1 ... and it's, I think it's out of print. I told them it's like Pasha vital to have it in print. That's my opinion. But, um, fine. So let's, so, so fine. You have to have that. So if you don't have that, you're gonna have to re-read the translation probably.

2:01:30 Speaker 2 I was, I was gonna come back to something. So you were saying about, about that eventually when someone gets older, they need to develop a, a, a, a geshmak in Torah.

2:01:42 Speaker 1 Right.

2:01:43 Speaker 2 That's like you had them over in a Yidden, and I, I see it over here. Well, a, a guy... I ha- I was sitting with a guy over here, eighty-three years old. He's telling me-

2:01:55 Speaker 1 In Secus

2:01:55 Speaker 2 ... when he was thirteen. Yeah. A Yid, he was... When he was thirteen, he was fourteen, he was so into religion and spirituality. I don't know what form, what denomination it was. I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't in "" um, but he says, "Rabbi, how can I... I always... How can I get back that, that feeling, that, that, that spirit that he had then?" And he asked me this more than once. And I told him, eventually, I said, "You know, Barry, you're, you're not thirteen. You're eighty-three. You're not gonna have the same feeling you had when you were thirteen now. You have to find there's a different feeling that you're supposed to have when you're eighty-three." "" there's one way you learn it when you're thirteen, and one way you learn it when you're twenty-three, and one way you learn it when you're thirty-three. I mean, uh, do people, are people supposed to just stay the same? So any- anything meaningful in life until you're twenty. From twenty and weiter, the only thing that grows is the Nevachim Bahamas, the Tyvus, and the-

2:02:59 Speaker 1 You're saying this is, this is how people conduct their lives, you're saying?

2:03:01 Speaker 2 I'm, I'm, I'm asking, is it, does it make, does it make any sense? Does it make any sense?

2:03:06 Speaker 1 You actually... By the way-

2:03:08 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:03:08 Speaker 1 ... you told me a word once, or you said it, that I actually chaz it over. We, we started off talking about Shomer Lipskier. You told me a word that I appreciate very much. I don't know if, uh, those that know him well, uh, agree this is like an analysis. Uh, an, an analysis. Basically, Shomer Lipskier is a shlia, right?

2:03:30 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:03:31 Speaker 1 Uh, I was telling some people that I, that I have a connection to, that I went, I went to Menachem Mendel, the families. Uh, I was like thinking on the plane, I was thinking about like him. So there's a few things that, um, I forgot about him. I'll just focus on one of them right now. One of them is Pasha's deep scashrus. And not just like a scashrus, like a, like a, a love that, uh, doesn't mean anything. Pasha, a love that means that I, Pasha, have to do what the Rebbe wants, and I have to like do something for the Rebbe, and I have to produce, you know, like, like, uh, uh... But, but, but then everything that I produce is the Rebbe, uh, uh, let everyone know this is, this is the Rebbe's accomplishment like we spoke before. I heard a word from you that you said that he has this hasbarah for it. Wh-why is Shomer Lipskier out of all the people? I mean, he's not the only one, but he sticks out in this way. Why? So you said that... I mean, there are people have been talking about that Shomer Lipskier had a, a, the way he says it is the Rebbe called it a, a, a leave of absence, that he had a year when he was in between things. In a shlichus, you know, when he was in, uh, working in the, in the school, Lande Yeshiva, then before he went to the Bal Harbour, he had a

2:04:43 Speaker 1 leave of absence. What did... So he was, he was doing some stuff. I'm not sure exactly what he was doing. He alludes to it in his, uh, when he talked about it. But one of the things that he did in his year of absence, he Pasha came to every Shabbos to give a Fablingen.

2:04:57 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:04:58 Speaker 1 So you said, says maybe that's why he's such a chassid because most people, most Lubavitchers, even those that were very, you know, "" uh, you know, "" they did it when they were kids, when they were bachur. Here's a guy, he's already an adult. He already had hardships of life. He already livedthrough something, and then he goes as an adult to hear fresh with the Rebbe as an adult every but not like just a guy that happens to show up to It's like, actually I think-

2:05:23 Speaker 2 He was, he was, he was our age when he... That, that year. He was like thirty.

2:05:25 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, uh, so, so I think that could apply more or less-

2:05:31 Speaker 2 Hundred percent. Hundred percent

2:05:31 Speaker 1 ... for some of us. It's like, uh, someone that wants it with the... And then you, you hear the Rebbe every Shabbos, you know. I think that's how he started the, the Aleph Institute because he heard the Rebbe spoke, speak about it. But I think you're seeing the same thing-

2:05:44 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:05:44 Speaker 1 ... that you can't rely on what you did as a or what you did when you were a in many-- By the way, in many cases in Lubavitch, they have this peak in and then it goes down, downhill from there. I, I think you too. I mean, my best when I was a when I was already like, you know, only twenty-three, more of an adult. Um, I mean, that, that's when I probably learned the most and, uh, was in tune the most. But like for many, for many people, their inspiration, they're relying on their years or they're relying on their years. You know, so it has to be anchored today in a, in, in a active form.

2:06:22 Speaker 2 A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I-- The, the, the same, the same way everything else grows, uh, uh, or whatever. of a person has to grow. Uh, the, the person-- You understand things better, you appreciate things more. You have a, you have a different... You, you have a broader perspective on things, and that's just where the Rebbe has the, uh, the, the Rebbe had the broadest perspective. So you wanna, you wanna... Your, your, your understanding... I was actually thinking today a lot of the the Rebbe says, it's the s-same that you take a cup of water and you use that-

2:07:09 Speaker 1 So

2:07:10 Speaker 2 You make

2:07:12 Speaker 1 For a second.

2:07:12 Speaker 2 Yeah. You use that opportunity to be in the world. You take one cup of water and what do you use-- You, you take... One little kid takes one little cup of water, and what does he use it for? To And then there's a word in that every single thing a Yid does is Everything, every single thing you do, every is since a Yid is every single thing a Yid does, he has to, he has to realize every thought you have, every word you say is bec-- you're serving it as to be the most beautiful. There's a similar thing in, in the Rebbe was talking about, uh, making that every single mind space, every single physical space in your life has to be a basically. It has to be, it has to be a Mikdash. So these are sim-similar Nekudos all throughout. But by seeing how it expresses itself in different ways, it's not necessarily how you're gonna understand a new Inyan, but another part of you will understand. A-another part of... By, by seeing how the Re- uh, uh, a, a m- a message of the Rebbe is expressed in different ways, it's not necessarily if you're gonna understand the message better or understand a new word to the Rebbe. But people are made u-up not, not just of a mass. Every person has feelings, has, has k- has by... When, when you, when you listen to the Chabadnik and every time, every time you re-listen, every time you listen to another Chabadnik and another

2:09:05 Speaker 2 that person understands what the Rebbe is saying. This, this is, by the way, this is something the Rebbe talks about, about the, uh, about the This is, uh, uh, the Rebbe also talks about this, uh, Um, and, and the Rebbe also talks about this, um, um, you know, in the besides for... That every single part of the person has to be fully engulfed by the, by the Rebbe. And so when you're seventeen years old, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, uh, your, your are not as, as, as, as active, as, as visible as they are later on. A person has a kid, he starts having a feeling of a father. He doesn't have the feeling, the feeling of a father when before he has a kid. Doesn't mean he doesn't have at all. I'm just saying there's certainly in life that, uh, in the, the, the, the, in, in, in the gas, it's considered as a He has, uh, But, uh, the way the Rebbe, the way the Rebbe looks at it is you have new that you have to use out for, for, for, for Hashem. If you have, you have new that you have to, you have to make, um, Anyways, I'm just being on the Nekuda that you mentioned.

2:10:34 Speaker 1 Good. So I, um, well, um, when it comes to watching Chabadniks and listening, so I, I developed, I don't know, I developed some, uh, tools how to do it, So first of all, for me, everyone's different obviously. Obviously, I'm just saying from my experience. For me, if I'm watching a video, I can watch the flow. I usually have to do something with my hands, whether it's holding a or holding something, whatever. But a video- And audio is different. So for audio, I can't listen like driving in the car, so I just, I jot down notes. Not, not for any reason, j-just they don't even have to make sense. Just, just to keep the, the flow. Why? So a friend of mine once said a vort. He said, "You know, you have in the car the, um, you have the MPH and you have the RPM."

2:11:28 Speaker 2 Yeah, you told me this vort. I remember this vort you told.

2:11:30 Speaker 1 What does it stand for RPM?

2:11:31 Speaker 2 Teichim, teichim-

2:11:32 Speaker 1 Something per-

2:11:32 Speaker 2 Oh, I don't know. You're right. It was teichim per minute.

2:11:34 Speaker 1 Yeah. This is it. My friend made it up. Yeah. So RPM is something per minute. I forgot what it stands for. So he said it's something called TPM. So teichim per minute. So by these big orators that people like listening to, the teichim per minute is very low. So therefore, you can space out, then space in, and you, you still get what the guy's saying. But the Rebbe, it's partially the exact opposite. The teichim per minute is like on the highest level. That's why if you space out per minute, you, you could lose the flow. So therefore, you have to stay razor-focused. But it's like... A-a-and I was never diagnosed, but I, you know, I have probably have ADD like everyone else.

2:12:08 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:12:08 Speaker 1 And, uh, nevertheless, I'm... You know, it's an exercise that I do. I listen to a sicha, you pretty much have to focus. And then another thing also is that to remember that whenever the Rebbe is speaking, very often the Rebbe opens up a parenthesis. The Rebbe's talking, the Rebbe's... You have to make a mental note, that was a parenthesis. Rebbe could talk about it for, for, for three minutes. And oh, that's the end of the parenthesis, now the Rebbe's continuing.

2:12:33 Speaker 2 So-

2:12:33 Speaker 1 Those are, uh, tips that I, uh, picked up just from experience.

2:12:36 Speaker 2 So a few of ours, first of all, one of the ma'alas... Not one of the ma'alas, one of the important reasons why I... But first of all, if you're a Chassid, you need to, you need to hear, you need it, you need to learn from your Rebbe. If your Rebbe... I, I mean, yes, a Molik Hachaitim, you could only learn chassid. If the Rebbe's available in, in audio and video, if you're a Chassid you have to... Th-th-th-that's, uh, it be- it become... It's, it's an obligation. You have to hear your Rebbe talk. But also, there's a vort about the Reb Maharash. The Rebbe writes in the Shulchan, I think. Maybe it's in the Se- in Igros Kodesh. That sometimes he would say a few words in the ma'amar that were not shayach to ma'amar. It was shayach to a fruit- a person there who needed to hear it, and often he would, he would be, he would be the only person who hear, who heard it. And same thing with the Rebbe, the Rebbe's chaburen. If you listen to the chaburen, you listen to the Rebbe's voice, you're listening to literally to, to, to, to, to, to Moshe Rabbeinu. Every single person will hear something that's shayach to them. They... You're gonna hear something that nobody else heard. That's something that's not g- that, that, that... It's like the Alter Rebbe, the Alter Rebbe writes in Hagadda, yeah. Technically it exists in the written word also, but, uh, what, what does he write in the,

2:13:51 Speaker 2 in the, in the Hagadda? Uh, "In kol adam zecher liyas makim et kemih aprat li shebatila." If you listen to the chaburen, you watch the chaburen, you have a much better chance of being zecher to, to hear, to hear the Rebbe's talk, to hear the Rebbe talking, what... That's shayach to you.

2:14:06 Speaker 1 The Shalomer Lipskier again, we're going back. You were mentioning him. He... With the whole thing with the Alef Institute-

2:14:13 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:14:13 Speaker 1 ... he said that he was by the chaburen and the Rebbe spoke about the, uh, arrestanten, you know-

2:14:18 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:14:18 Speaker 1 ... the people in prison. He says he went to chazzara. He says it... He says, he says it's not in the ha'anafa. He said, "I went to chazzara and the chazzara no one mentioned it." And I, I, I, I, you know-

2:14:31 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:14:31 Speaker 1 ... interrupted the chazzara and he said, "No. Like, what about the, the, the prisoners?"

2:14:35 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:14:36 Speaker 1 No one remembered what he was talking about. But whatever, he heard this and the whole... He need... 'Cause he needed to hear it.

2:14:43 Speaker 2 Exactly.

2:14:44 Speaker 1 So, so, so he heard it.

2:14:46 Speaker 2 But again, it's the techniques. These are known that every per... It's very personal. Like oh, I remember a guy telling me that he, he tried to... He was thinking of maybe... It was very hard to him to listen to chaburen, so he was thinking maybe to start learning ha'anafa beforehand. But then he was sitting by a, a chaburen of someone who said, "No way. You gotta, you gotta, you have to do it the way, the way people who were there did it. You have to practice listening to it straight up." I think it's baloney. You get... You learn the chaburen is beforehand and you listen to it, then eventually you'll, you'll listen to it without learning. And you know what? And if a guy never figures out how to listen without learning the ha'anafa inside first, what, what happened there? What's the problem? What can they... What, what, what's the issue with that? So he learned before it.

2:15:29 Speaker 1 And by the way, we're not even getting into the, uh, other component of listening to chaburen. The shame that there were people that were by the chaburen that didn't understand or they understood, they could have understood, but they, whatever. They, and they were there and th-that, that, that's part of chassidus. I remember I missed the whole, uh, Geshe Mendl situation. You know, uh, by the time I was older, he was, uh, you know, not chaburening, and maybe I wasn't in the right place, you know, whatever. I wa... But I remember one time there was a, it was by a chasuna-

2:16:07 Speaker 2 Yeah

2:16:07 Speaker 1 ... and he started chaburening. So he starts saying, "Keiner fashteit nit dem Rebbe."

2:16:14 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:16:14 Speaker 1 And he's going on, "Keiner fashteit nit dem Rebbe." He's, then he says, "Yeedl meint az er fashteit." That, that, that, that... That's a whole nother dagger that, you know, you have to be by the Rebbe and listen to the Rebbe. It's not, it's not about, it's not about you on the... It's not even what it's about.

2:16:34 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:16:34 Speaker 1 That's add- that's a plus. It's added benefit or it's a minus. What-what-whatever. You have to s- be in front of the Rebbe. Saying it's a, it's a, it's a, it's an act, it's an experience. It's, it's, it's a ruchnius. Like a, a ruch- it's a ruchus again. Whatever that-

2:16:47 Speaker 2 It's, it's, it's-

2:16:47 Speaker 1 And then there's-

2:16:48 Speaker 2 There's, there's another suggia this could go on for a whole night, because it's nav'tem ad lan tsnaf, like they say. A yid, a Chassidish yid, a bochur. I was talking w-w... I was... Once I was going to the, I was going to the, to the oil. I was going to the... for one of the days. I don't remember when it was. And, uh, this gentleman said that he's not going because it really, he's gone in the past, but it just doesn't do it for him What does that mean it doesn't do it? You're a horse. It would be resembling the Rebbe. What are you expecting it to do for you? At some point, it's not all about how we feel. Feelings are not such a stable thing. A guy misses breakfast, feels terrible. A guy, uh... I'll show you like a-- Even, even, even, even, even logical conclusions are not so stable. A guy, a guy gets paid ten thousand dollars, he changes his mind. I mean-

2:17:49 Speaker 1 Hmm

2:17:49 Speaker 2 ... are we really going to base our whole Yiddish life off, uh, every stomachache and every, uh, every, every, every thought that crossed our mind? But, uh, if I bring in... Should never, should never be like that for a person. I mean, if I bring in this, this part of the goshmi, it should be, should be, should be enjoyable. But I'm just saying that's manoka, that's, uh, everything has to be whatever makes me feel good and feel happy and feel accepted and feel peaceful. There's no question. You should have manoka sanafish. I feel under the goyim achreinum from galus, like the Rebbe says, but, um-

2:18:23 Speaker 1 Yeah. The, it says the Right? The

2:18:29 Speaker 2 Yeah. But the bigger question is, you know, we're talking about, we're talking about, uh, suicides. I'm not a mumkhe in suicides. No one should-

2:18:38 Speaker 1 We'll make a, we'll make a disclaimer that this is-- we're, we're not professionals and, uh-

2:18:42 Speaker 2 Yeah. No one should ever be a mumkhe in suicides and, uh, they still be one of us, the letzer. But, uh, there's a course-- No music of Mali Kathla Kula, Mali Kathla Paga. People commit suicide by, uh... What was I just, uh, listening to? What was the word the Rebbe said? Um, I forgot already. That, uh... Anyways, but then of course there is, um... I've gone blank. Okay. Should I guess it was a real zug? What was I, what was I-

2:19:23 Speaker 1 You're talking about sui- suicides.

2:19:25 Speaker 2 Oh. Yes, Shlomo, what people need is they don't need to be told. You're gonna thank them, you know, listen. They don't need to be told how beautiful they are. They don't need to be told how wonderful they are. Maybe also, that's fine. You know, their mother could tell them that. Maybe their mashpia could also tell them that. But generally, what people need is they need to have, what they say, purpose, or better yet, achrais. They need to have a responsibility. People with responsibilities, um, have a lot easier time getting through, uh, other things. I- if you know that there's a fa-- you have a family counting on you, you have talmidim counting on you, you have Mashiach is counting on you to, to do your part, that is much more, uh, empowering than just telling people that they have a beautiful neshamah or, uh, they distort this Rebbe's sicha about every Yid is an Admor, right? They, they think... Well, I don't, I don't even understand what that does for someone exactly. Anyways.

2:20:35 Speaker 1 Uh, th- th- distorting it, or they're trying to say that you, you, you matter, you're amazing, you're-- you ha- you have the, uh-

2:20:42 Speaker 2 If I tell you, in you, inside you, there's a, there's an A- Albert Einstein waiting to come out, does that make you feel good? I mean, it's basically, it's leg larash if we're telling someone he's-

2:20:53 Speaker 1 What was the Rebbe's kavana with that sicha?

2:20:56 Speaker 2 I was just learning Perek Bais in Tanya today, and it says in-- that basically the Rebbe's-- we're, we're like a part of the bod. The Rebbe's the head, and the-- we're the part of the body. So yes, we have the, the, the blood flow. It circulates through the whole body. And there's, uh... Whatever. Every, every Yid is a nitztzus Mashiach, like the Rebbe says.

2:21:15 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:21:16 Speaker 2 Uh, im mikase Rebbe, um, there's no question. The, the way we're kollel and we're also ev- ev-- Each one of our neshamas is kollel in the Rebbe.

2:21:27 Speaker 1 Right.

2:21:27 Speaker 2 So-

2:21:28 Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, the Yid is esh kollel. Yeah, that is-

2:21:30 Speaker 2 Esh kollel, but uh-

2:21:31 Speaker 1 Okay. So, so, so you're saying that, that the inner purpose or achrais.

2:21:37 Speaker 2 So what was I gonna say about achrais? Uh, so you open up, hay... Look at a hayyim yeir. The first-- Before you even open hayyim yeir, you know, you saw that kette over there at the beginning? You had-

2:21:46 Speaker 1 You got the-

2:21:46 Speaker 2 Every person has to ask themselves every single-

2:21:49 Speaker 1 You got the vent, vent for Mashiach

2:21:50 Speaker 2 ... what did I do to laixtn kevla Mashiach? Sen-- We, we, I-- It, it sounds a little archaic because it's talking about s- World War II, which-

2:21:58 Speaker 1 The world

2:21:59 Speaker 2 ... the Holocaust. But think about it for a second. The Rebbe's basically... This is while Jews are being gassed by the millions. What's the message? What's the message that the Rebbe's giving every Jew in, in the open-- that opens hayyim yeir? Before they even step to the calendar, what's the message? Not that, uh, Hashem still loves us and we don't understand it. Not the lang-- What are you doing today to, to ma-- to s-- to, to lai- to, to laixtn kevla Mashiach? What are you doing to solve the Holocaust? How are you gonna stop the Holocaust from happening? What are you doing right now to br-- to, to, to, to, to bring Mashiach? Dosheg gimmel, this is the Rebbe telling people. Obviously, the best way for people to live is waking up every morning and saying, "What am I g-- What am-- That, what am I doing right now, myself, to bring Mashiach?" I mean, later on, the Rebbe says it's clearly about Mashiach, but I'm just saying already, already there you see the, the ver-- There, there's a Holocaust happening. What are you doing to st-- What are you doing in, in Brooklyn in-- to, to, to stop, uh, to, to, to stop, to stop the Holocaust? Why can't you just tell-- Why can't you tell the Yid, "If you put on tefillin, be a cheder, you're, you're, you're gonna be yachid, you're cheder kal v'chomer, mamash together with the Eibeshtit, it's gonna be a yichud nifla, a yichud nitzchi." No. What are you,

2:23:22 Speaker 2 are you-- when he puts on tefillin, he has to, he has to bear the res- the, the whole burden of a, of a, of a act, a holocaust in the middle of happening on his shoulders. Obviously, I, I was just, I was r- I was rolling through a, a, a letter to, uh, I, it doesn't have a name. They, they took out the name in Chelkida Alf. The rabbi says, "First of all, this took such a long time since I got you. What's-- why such a big break in between letters? And second of all, you didn't write that you were by the Yud Beis Chaim Hasabregen. I'm assuming, uh, that you, you were there. You know, you know that it says that, uh, Fabregen resembling Mahachalk and Esufta. I ain't showing the Sichas." So the rabbi says, "First of all, start writing letters more often. Second of all, start showing up to Fabregens. Third of all, go look up at the Sicha again, re-learn about what a Fabregen is." And then the rabbi goes and talks about how Chad, uh, Chazit Tatit, that the, the technical block of the f- the From parties, what he wants, what he doesn't want, uh, should go, should go into the coalition, should not go into the coalition, leaves him with the responsibility of, of taking care of, uh, the whole, all, all Israeli politics. And then at the end is something else. That's the best thing. A lot of, a lot of responsibility. But it's also, I mean,

2:24:38 Speaker 2 only the rabbi, the r- that also means that the rabbi cares to hear from him more often. The rabbi cares if he's by a Fabregen. The rabbi cares, is... I mean, it works both ways as well. Anyways, that's one about-

2:24:48 Speaker 1 So it was, it was like, the Israel-- what about people that take like, "Oh my gosh, there's so much responsibility, so much acharas. I can't take it. They just wanna, uh, sit on the beach."

2:25:03 Speaker 2 They can't take it. What could they take?

2:25:07 Speaker 1 You're saying no one ever enjoyed sitting on the beach for extended period of time without any purpose? Not yet.

2:25:17 Speaker 2 They can't take it. They don't enjoy it. I mean, these are inyonim that... What, what is the, the, the letter of the guy, the... I don't know if the rabbi says it in these, in this language. The guy said he wanted his kid to go to pub- to the, to public school, and they will teach him the caduce at home or something. Certain things happen on their own. You don't need to make a special moises for them. You don't need to make a special moises for kids to play soccer or whatever, to, to play ball. They'll, they'll play ball. They'll figure it out. People are going to take their vacations. They're gonna do this stuff. What they're not gonna do is their responsi- their, their, their responsibilities they're not gonna do.

2:26:02 Speaker 1 So you're saying-

2:26:02 Speaker 2 The rabbi writes to people, they have to set aside a half a day for teal, to take a half a, a walk, for bris, for bris haguf. But, um-

2:26:13 Speaker 1 So-

2:26:14 Speaker 2 Yeah.

2:26:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, so, so, so basically, part of the, the and we have, uh, a rabbi that gives us mashal mandate every... He, he gives every yid a mandate, and he gives every chasid a vader a mandate, and, uh, plugging into that is, uh, the best for your beruchinis and begashmis, saying it, uh, that's, that's, that's the way forward. That's the-

2:26:42 Speaker 2 Yeah. That's the way that, uh... What do you, what do you think, what do you think is gonna happen when, when Mashiach comes? What's gonna happen? We'll be listening to the rab- we're gonna hear the rabbi's, the rabbi Fabregen with us the whole time. That's is there. What, what do you think is gonna happen? There's gonna be, uh, uh, I don't know, another, uh, speaker?

2:27:02 Speaker 1 Yeah.

2:27:02 Speaker 2 We're gonna be learning Mashiach, Mashiach. I mean, that's what we're gonna be doing the whole time. I remember, uh, David Feldman, Fabregen Amal, about, um, they have to get used to listening to, to my modern, because rabbi coming to Hazan, mind you, no one's gonna know, there was... People are gonna be lost. They will not follow. We won't be mefarret after that. But anyways, that's one-

2:27:32 Speaker 1 So this is what, this is what, uh, it says about chasidus bachlal, that it's, uh, to ima of, uh, Mashiach. So this is what the rabbi was doing for, uh, from . The rabbi's giving us a, a taste and a prelude to, uh-

2:27:49 Speaker 2 You know what the rabbi writes against HaKadosh, that when Mashiach comes, we're not gonna learn nigla anymore. We're gonna know it all from chasidus. So we're basically gonna be, uh, we're gonna be either listening to the rabbi say Fabregen or reviewing the Fabregen of the rabbi. That's gonna be, that's gonna be Meis of Mashiach.

2:28:09 Speaker 1 Okay. Looking forward, and, uh, Yesha Kayach, and, uh, this should be the Kal of Mams.

2:28:18 Speaker 2 Amen.