לחיות עם המשך – הרב יוסי גרליק

00:00 Speaker 1 If you ask someone what's the, what's, what's the peak of Samavov?

00:05 Speaker 2 Ɣidesh. Miknerav.

00:06 Speaker 1 Oh.

00:06 Speaker 2 Depends, like-

00:07 Speaker 1 Oh

00:07 Speaker 2 ... you know? Right. Yeah.

00:08 Speaker 1 Oh.

00:08 Speaker 2 Okay, yeah.

00:08 Speaker 1 If you ask a maskil-

00:09 Speaker 2 Right

00:09 Speaker 1 ... he'll tell you Ɣidesh.

00:10 Speaker 2 Right.

00:11 Speaker 1 VaYelech.

00:11 Speaker 2 Yeah.

00:12 Speaker 1 If you ask a Navet, U'miknerav.

00:14 Speaker 2 Right.

00:16 Speaker 1 But think about it. What is the, what's the Rebbe Shabbos doing in Samavov? He's building up a hascaladike argument-

00:26 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm

00:26 Speaker 1 ... for U'miknerav. The whole, the whole Ɣidesh, the whole VaYelech is agdome to U'miknerav.

00:35 Speaker 2 Right.

00:36 Speaker 1 So he basically, he gives you, uh, an intellectual argument how the iker is a avoda.

00:50 Speaker 2 You know when you're at a good toychindike farbrengen and you wish it was being recorded? Welcome to Spreading the Springs: Conversations in Chassidus, a podcast farbrengen where we have real conversations about real Chassidus. Shalom aleichem. Thank you very much.

01:10 Speaker 1 Aleichem shalom.

01:11 Speaker 2 Thank you very much for taking the time. I'm sitting here with Rabbi Yossi Gorelik, the legendary rav from the legendary kehillah, Anshe Lubavitch, and, uh, what, what do they consider in Crown Heights or the outskirts of Crown Heights?

01:25 Speaker 1 Brooklyn, New York.

01:26 Speaker 2 Brooklyn, New York. Everyone's welcome. Anyone from Brooklyn's welcome. And, uh, I'm very excited for this 'cause first of all, behalal, I think that the, the, my target audience in this podcast is for Anash. It's for Lubavitchers who went through the system, are now out of yeshiva, and Chassidus shouldn't stop when you leave yeshiva. So, so already the w- part of what makes Anshe legendary and, and the rav legendary is the, the Chassidisha kehillah in general, and we're gonna zoom in and focus obviously on the shiurim and the Shomrim Chassidus specifically. And that's known, uh, as a vibrant community and specifically in that, so, so already, already it's a perfect, I think, context and perfect backdrop for, for this, for this, uh, for this podcast. And then specifically, we're now in the week before Cheshvan, and that's when we're gonna release this, for Cheshvan. And the shi- uh, one of the, the famous shiurim is the shiur every morning, Ayn Beyis. Um, so I want to back up to discuss behalal the, the kehillah, behalal the, the shiurim, the koch in Chassidus, and learning Chassidus, and living Chassidus, farbrengens, mechula, the whole, the whole package. And then specifically the, the, the shiur, and then specifically the Rebbe Shabbos mamarim. And then what I, where I wanna go with this is to talk about the ha'emshechim of the Rebbe Shabbos specifically, 'cause I think that's, that's a key for, for this discussion and behalal. Um, and yeah, the Rebbe Shabbos behalal, and then we'll see where this

02:58 Speaker 2 takes us.

02:59 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

02:59 Speaker 2 So let's start with the, I guess with how you would describe, um, th- this, this idea of the, of Anshe, the kehillah, and specifically the p- Like in other words, a lot of shuls, th- uh, first of all, there's a lot of shuls and there's a lot of kehillahs, ay, in Crown Heights, obviously, out of Crown Heights also, and there's a lot of good ideas that people have. They wanna make sure, and everyone understands that it's important to keep chevre together in a positive way, in learning way, in the shiurim, and obviously Shomrei Chassidus matov. Kemovin, it's hard to maintain the shiur, and it's hard to maintain the shiur, especially early morning. And, uh, so I think, I think already the, the first question is like, what, what is the secret of how it goes and how it continues that, that automatically should be the first thing? So if someone want, if, if, if a rav or a, uh, or a community member in a different kehillah wanted to make a shiur, what should they, what should they think about? What should they look for? Um, before getting into the details of ha'emshechim and Ayn Beyis and the Rebbe's mamarim and all that, behalal, like what, what, what makes a kehillah successful in this concept? The shiur is going on for how many years?

04:04 Speaker 1 Oh, before the shul.

04:05 Speaker 2 Before the shul even.

04:06 Speaker 1 Yeah. The shiur started here in, in, in our house over here.

04:09 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

04:10 Speaker 1 Before the shul, yeah.

04:11 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. So maybe, maybe hagufa is the success of a shul, is when the shiur starts before the shul, then, then it's, uh, yeah. Um, right. But so in o- in other words, it's been going on for a long time, and from what I hear-

04:21 Speaker 1 Actually, it was your cousin, Chaim Shochat, Rav Chaim Shochat from, uh-

04:26 Speaker 2 Yeah. Cousin

04:26 Speaker 1 ... Montreal, your cousin.

04:27 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

04:28 Speaker 1 So I remember I was standing in seven 70. It was Tishrei Ayn Alef. It was a year before Ayn Beyis.

04:36 Speaker 2 Mm. Mm.

04:37 Speaker 1 And I used to have a shiur here, uh, a shiur Chassidus every morning, Samavov, whatever, it went on for years. And, uh, I remember he came over to me in sh- in, uh, seven 70 and said, "If you start Ayn Beyis, I'm coming to your shiur."

04:54 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

04:54 Speaker 1 And he started coming together with, uh, David Kivman, and we started Ayn Beyis, Toshnin Ayn Alef, so it's now, uh, yeah, 16 years.

05:04 Speaker 2 And for s- and for s- these 16 years, you've been doing Ayn Beyis over and over?

05:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

05:07 Speaker 2 So m- so mamar- I mean, it's consistently-

05:08 Speaker 1 We finished it, we started again.

05:10 Speaker 2 Wow.

05:10 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

05:10 Speaker 2 Wow. So, but-

05:11 Speaker 1 We did, we did also Ayn Beyis, Ayn Beyis Ayn Wov.

05:17 Speaker 2 The, right, the mamarim not from the hemshech.

05:18 Speaker 1 Mamarim not from the hemshech. Yeah. And then we, then we started again, Nachamu, from, from the beginning.

05:23 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

05:24 Speaker 1 Yeah.

05:24 Speaker 2 Interesting. I mean, a- already jumping on that detail, I'm curious, 'cause I, I never learned those mamarim personally, do you see a connection between those mamarim that are not-

05:32 Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

05:32 Speaker 2 Oh, interesting.

05:34 Speaker 1 Sure.

05:34 Speaker 2 So do-

05:34 Speaker 1 The Rebbe Rashab, the Rebbe Rashab said the Hemshech of Ayn Beyis only in Lubavitch.

05:40 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

05:43 Speaker 1 It was, it was clear that it was for, for the yeshiva, to me.

05:48 Speaker 2 Interesting.

05:49 Speaker 1 In other words, the Rebbe was saying the mamarim for, for, for the bochurim. And he said the Hemshech only in Lubavitch. So in, in Ayn Gimel, in Ayn Daled, in the winter- He left Lubavitch, he went to other places. So he said, "My Morim," but not part of the Hemshich.

06:09 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

06:09 Speaker 1 Only Lubavitch. And you can see that the, the last Mimer of the Hemshich is Vayero Ein Vov. And right after Vayero Ein Vov, the Rebbe Rashab left Lubavitch.

06:19 Speaker 2 Right.

06:21 Speaker 1 But he continued to write, 'cause you know, you know how Ein Beytis works. The Rebbe Rashab wrote it, and then he said it. So when he came to Rostov, he continued to write Ein Beytis, but he didn't say it.

06:36 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

06:37 Speaker 1 There's a Tzavoy from the Rebbe Rashab in Rostov, and the Tzavoy starts, "Havayi Yemale Yoma Yoshneisa, Ve'echzer Lebaisi Ve'ekov Rima Voisai."

06:53 Speaker 2 Hmm.

06:54 Speaker 1 The only thing the Rebbe Rashab wanted while he was in Rostov, to come back to Lubavitch.

06:58 Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.

07:00 Speaker 1 He doesn't say he wanted to go Eretz Yisroel, doesn't say he wanted to go Chreistish. The, the, the, the, the only thing was to go back to Lubavitch and recover Rima Voisai, l- to be next to his father, his father and, and, and, and his Zaidis

07:17 Speaker 2 Right. And bedaz Tachten, if Rebbe Rashab would've gone back to Lubavitch, the Rebbe would've said, Rebbe Rashab would've continued to say-

07:24 Speaker 1 Would've continued-

07:24 Speaker 2 Wow. Uh-huh

07:24 Speaker 1 ... would've continued Ein Beytis.

07:26 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Wow.

07:27 Speaker 1 But he didn't go back to Lubavitch, and he never continued, continued writing it. That's what the whole, the whole Khill Gimmels, the Khill Yechulin Neymar.

07:32 Speaker 2 Right. Mm-hmm.

07:33 Speaker 1 But he didn't go back to Lubavitch, so he didn't, uh, he didn't say it.

07:36 Speaker 2 Right. So it's interesting that those L'Morim that were not, I guess, said in Lubavitch and therefore are not part of the Hemshich, they're still connected-

07:42 Speaker 1 So those my Morim... Okay, for example, Tov, Tov Freish Ein Hey, the Rebbe Rashab didn't leave Lubavitch. That's why you have the whole year-

07:52 Speaker 2 Right

07:52 Speaker 1 ... the whole year, you have the Hemshich of Ein Beytis. There's not one week m- missing. Every week, there's a... But Ein Gimel and Ein Daled, he left. So after Vayeshev, whatever, I mean, it's like, uh, you know, like, uh, wintertime, you know, till Pesach, eh, to Shavuot, it's missing in the Hemshich. So there's my Morim in, uh, in Ein Beytis, Ein Vov, in, in the other Sefer, which is all the my Morim that the Rebbe Rashab said in those years, not part of the Hemshich.

08:22 Speaker 2 Right. Are there, are there my Morim in there that were said in Lubavitch but are not part of Hemshich, or it's all my Morim that were out of Lubavitch?

08:30 Speaker 1 Uh, don't think so.

08:33 Speaker 2 Hmm.

08:33 Speaker 1 I'm not sure.

08:34 Speaker 2 Ah. So I'm just saying, so it's a simple-

08:35 Speaker 1 Not sure. Not sure

08:35 Speaker 2 ... it's a clear thing why-

08:36 Speaker 1 There, there could be maybe there was, maybe there was some my Morim that was said, I'm not sure.

08:40 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

08:40 Speaker 1 Don't know.

08:41 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

08:42 Speaker 1 Mostly it's definitely the, that it was not in Lubavitch.

08:44 Speaker 2 Right. I'm saying, so it's clear the w- reason why these Morim are not part of the, yeah.

08:47 Speaker 1 It's clear that the Hemshich was for the Bochurim.

08:50 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Interesting.

08:51 Speaker 1 You see, you have to, we have to understand something. You can tell in, in Chassidus that around Tov Freish Num Zain, which is the Siyatus of Tychatmu, it changed completely. In other words, the Rebbe Rashab started the Yeshiva, and it's obvious that there was like a reset in, in, in, in Teras Chassidus. Now, the Rebbe Rashab had a Yeshiva, and he's teaching the Bochurim Chassidus.

09:25 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

09:26 Speaker 1 Lahavdil like a, Lahavdil, a Havdalah, like a, a, you know, like a, a professor teaching, uh, students, Chassidishe Rebbe. I mean, like, like-

09:34 Speaker 2 Right

09:34 Speaker 1 ... and, and, and it's very obvious because you can tell Tov Freish Num Zain, Samech Sad, Samech, and then, and then starts Raanat, and then Samech Vov.

09:48 Speaker 2 Right.

09:48 Speaker 1 Milu Nu Godlu Samech Vov. And then, like, the lashon of the Rebbe is, Ein Beytis, which is G'dei Lizven, this is the lashon of the Rebbe, G'dei Lizven Yiflois, Afi Lu Legabe Samech Vov.

09:59 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. The lashon of the Rebbe where? In the-

10:01 Speaker 1 When the Rebbe-

10:01 Speaker 2 ... in the last Sefer?

10:02 Speaker 1 When the Rebbe printed Ein Beytis.

10:03 Speaker 2 Right.

10:04 Speaker 1 Uh, printed Ein Beytis, the Rebbe said, "Ein Beytis, the Hemshich of Ein Beytis was, is G'dei Lizven Yiflois, Afi Lu Legabe Samech Vov."

10:10 Speaker 2 Wow.

10:11 Speaker 1 So you see that the Rebbe Rashab is poshet teaching Chassidus to the Bochurim.

10:18 Speaker 2 Right. But-

10:19 Speaker 1 It's like a, a, a weekly lecture, Chassidishe Rebbe, Rebbe Rashab, Mimer, like teaching Chassidus to the Bochurim.

10:28 Speaker 2 Right.

10:28 Speaker 1 It's very obvious. It's, it's teaching Chassidus to the Bochurim. It's clearly from Tychatmu.

10:34 Speaker 2 Which, which Hagufa is, is very interesting, 'cause, like, for example, nowadays they don't learn Ein Beytis in Yeshiva. And, and I'm not saying just that, I'm not just saying that on a technical level. Everyone knows Ein Beytis is very deep, it's very, you know, it's, it's tearing everything apart, going to the, to the heights of Seider Stalsos. And, and so-

10:52 Speaker 1 By the way-

10:53 Speaker 2 Yeah

10:53 Speaker 1 ... it's not true.

10:54 Speaker 2 Okay, good.

10:55 Speaker 1 People get scared.

10:56 Speaker 2 Right.

10:56 Speaker 1 The Ein Beytis, uh, it's not true. Ein Beytis is very mesuder. It's extremely mesuder. It's divided into my Morim Kimuvan. The my Morim Gufa are divided into Prokim. Every Perek has a Kitzer.

11:13 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

11:14 Speaker 1 Every Perek is a different Inyan. It's an encyclopedia of Chassidus. People get scared, Ein Beytis, Ein Beytis, also because the beginning is, is harder. So they start in the beginning, and they get, they're discouraged.

11:26 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

11:26 Speaker 1 But Ein Beytis is very, very organized. Bochurim can learn it in Yeshiva, no problem.

11:32 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

11:33 Speaker 1 No problem. People get scared because the Ein Beytis, uh... It's not true. It's not true. It's very, very organized. It's very, very understandable, and, uh, a lot more understandable than many other my Morim the Bochurim learn.

11:46 Speaker 2 Ah. Just saying, you think, you think the fact that it's not in Yeshiva is part of a technical thing, whatever, you know, not, not to get into, not to krikh into Anhalel's business, but, uh-

11:54 Speaker 1 I, I think 'cause the, the Yeshivas, the Yeshivas, they learn in... There's a system, you know. They learn first the, the Friediker's Morim, whatever, then they learn Raanat, then they learn Samech Vov. I think by the time they come to Samech Samech, they learn Ein Beytis. No, I think so. I don't know.

12:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

12:07 Speaker 1 I'm not familiar-

12:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, there is-

12:08 Speaker 1 With the, with the Limade Yeshivas.

12:09 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, there are... It's true. There are Yeshivas in, yeah.

12:11 Speaker 1 I would imagine by the time it comes to Hasidic, they're learning this.

12:14 Speaker 2 Right, right. Uh-huh. Okay. So the, the... Okay. So ba- sorry. So back to the, back to the shiur, the story of the shiur. So before I-- in Tof Shin Ayin Alef, before you started the Shiur Ein Ayin Beis, so you were teaching, you were having a shiur chassidis.

12:28 Speaker 1 Samaach Vav.

12:28 Speaker 2 Samaach Vav.

12:29 Speaker 1 Yeah.

12:29 Speaker 2 And, and how long did that take?

12:32 Speaker 1 Oh, years. I-

12:32 Speaker 2 One, one cycle or you did it a few times also?

12:34 Speaker 1 Uh, Samaach Vav did one cycle here.

12:37 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

12:38 Speaker 1 Then, uh, w- in the shul, we did a, a cycle of Samaach Vav Thursday nights.

12:42 Speaker 2 Right.

12:43 Speaker 1 And now Yeruv took it over, right?

12:44 Speaker 2 Yeah.

12:44 Speaker 1 Rav Shapiro.

12:45 Speaker 2 Yeah.

12:46 Speaker 1 He took it over. Now he gives Thursday night the shiur Samaach Vav.

12:48 Speaker 2 Yeah, sure. That's okay. Yeah.

12:48 Speaker 1 But we used to do it years ago, yeah, Samaach Vav at night.

12:51 Speaker 2 Right.

12:52 Speaker 1 Thursday nights, yeah.

12:53 Speaker 2 Okay. So now, but rewinding, so before Samaach Vav... Basically, what I'm, what I'm, what I'm curious is what's the... Did the shiur start with Samaach Vav or the shiur-

13:01 Speaker 1 No, no, no. Before Samaach Vav, we did, uh, ago as opposed to Halio, uh-

13:06 Speaker 2 At the Parshah

13:06 Speaker 1 ... and then maybe the Rebbe's Mamorim. But, uh, yeah.

13:09 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

13:09 Speaker 1 The shiur has been going on for, like, I don't know, at least 20 years.

13:13 Speaker 2 Wow. Okay. Yeah. So, so that, that's, that's what I'm curious about, which is the jump to Hamshachim. It's, uh-

13:19 Speaker 1 I'll tell you why Hamshachim.

13:21 Speaker 2 Yeah.

13:23 Speaker 1 I, I was once by a Farbrengen, a Chassidishe Farbrengen. There was a Mashpia there, uh, Rav, uh, Gurari, the Mashpia in, in Detroit.

13:33 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

13:34 Speaker 1 Yeah, Gurari. And, uh, it was a bunch of Shluchim, whatever. And I remember the way he was screaming at a, at a, whatever, a younger man. "In velkhe hemshe khlikste." "Da fligen in a hemshe."

13:54 Speaker 2 Right.

13:54 Speaker 1 "You have to, you have to... Da fligen in a hemshe." A Chassidishe younger man, without saying, "This guy..." You see Peretz Shapiro, you go, "Samaach Vav." Right? "Da fligen in a hemshe." You see a guy, you have to... I-it's only... It has to be a hemshe. "In velkhe hemshe khlikste?"

14:18 Speaker 2 Okay. So-

14:19 Speaker 1 It has to be a hemshe.

14:20 Speaker 2 Ho-how-

14:20 Speaker 1 That's, that's the whole idea of a hemshe. A hemshe is that, that, that du likst in a hemshe, whether it's for six months or it's for, for three years or for 10 years. But, but you see a guy, you know, "This guy? Oh, he's a Samaach Vav guy. This guy is a Raanat guy. This guy..." But, but you see, "In vos er likt?" If it's not a hemshe, "In vos likste?"

14:41 Speaker 2 Uh, for argument's sake-

14:42 Speaker 1 Like, a hemshe, a hemshe keeps you, keeps you going.

14:47 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

14:48 Speaker 1 Every morning, you come back to the hemshe. Every month, you come back to the hemshe. Every year, you come back to the hemshe. You do the liks in a hemshe. You look up, likt in the hemshe.

14:57 Speaker 2 Right. For argument's sake, what would be, like... In, in other words, if it's mitzad the kivyis itim and, like, that you're going and you're going, so obviously for that you could, you could, you could take on, uh, any, you know, melukit or, or, uh, or, you know, or even going through Cheivas, technically, uh, it's not-

15:14 Speaker 1 I have news for you.

15:15 Speaker 2 Yeah.

15:15 Speaker 1 I have news for you. The Rebbe's Mamorim is also a hemshe.

15:17 Speaker 2 Oh, okay. So, so right. So let's-

15:18 Speaker 1 The Mamorim. We have a shiur every morning in the Rebbe's Mamorim. We used to do melukah, and then we started from Tof Shin Yud, from Tof Shin Dalet, from, I mean, from, from the beginning, and it's a hemshe. It's mamash a hemshe. You can tell the Rebbe, Yud Dalet, Yud Beit, Yud Gimel. The Rebbe takes every mayim another inyan. It's also a hemshe.

15:39 Speaker 2 Mm.

15:39 Speaker 1 I have several guys in shul, uh, Levi Katlarsky, some other guys, they, they learn Halacha of the Rebbe's Mamorim. It's a hemshe.

15:48 Speaker 2 But it's not officially known as hemshe, so that's not... So what's the difference?

15:51 Speaker 1 I'm saying, I, I, that's why I said I have news for you. Because the, the average person doesn't realize that it's a... But it's a hemshe. It's a hemshe. If du likst in a Mamorim... I, I know several Shluchim, they told me that they learn, they learn the Rebbe's Mamorim Halacha a day, and, uh, and, uh, it's... We, we have it every morning also. It's, it's amazing. I didn't know myself that it's mamash a hemshe.

16:13 Speaker 2 Okay.

16:14 Speaker 1 You see it. One, uh, Mayim the Rebbe explains Eiver Shefer. The next Mayim, da-da, da. Every, every Mayim, the Rebbe explains another inyan.

16:21 Speaker 2 Right. So e-even, even the Rebbe has a few Mamorim that are, like, kilu officially a hemshe.

16:28 Speaker 1 Eh, exactly. Okay.

16:29 Speaker 2 Right. So how, how, how do you define that difference? Like, how would you... In other words, is it that you have to figure out the hemshechios of it as opposed to where it's official?

16:38 Speaker 1 Okay. Uh, well, no. I mean, uh, that... Okay. The hem- the hemshechim started mainly with the Rebbe Maharash.

16:42 Speaker 2 Right.

16:43 Speaker 1 The Rebbe Maharash started the hemshechim, then came over the Rebbe Rashab and the Friediker Rebbe. The Rebbe doesn't really have a hemshe.

16:49 Speaker 2 Right.

16:49 Speaker 1 The Rebbe has a couple of times-

16:50 Speaker 2 Yeah

16:50 Speaker 1 ... uh, two, three Mamorim, da-da-da, hemshe. But it's, it is, it's very interesting that if you look at Yud Dalet, Yud Beit, Yud Gimel, da, da, I mean, uh, you see that it's, it's, it's a hemshe.

17:03 Speaker 2 Right. So that was interesting, uh, Derech HaGavah. But, uh, I'm learning, I'm trying to learn now the Mamorim of Lamed Vav 'cause the kivyis, and every Mayim so far, every Mayim the Rebbe is quoting Samaach Vav.

17:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

17:16 Speaker 2 And, uh-

17:16 Speaker 1 For sure. And then you have... I mean, basically you have the same things. Kaf He, Kaf He, they're all used in the nine Beis.

17:21 Speaker 2 Right.

17:22 Speaker 1 V'Noach Kaf He, V'Shalosh Yehuda Kaf He. It's all used in the nine Beis, and it's, it's, it's a hemshe.

17:27 Speaker 2 Right.

17:27 Speaker 1 It's a hemshe.

17:29 Speaker 2 Lamed Vav, I, I, I-

17:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure

17:30 Speaker 2 ... realized 'cause it's, uh, it's 70 years of Samaach Vav.

17:33 Speaker 1 Yeah.

17:33 Speaker 2 And, and finally, after like five, six Mamorim, the Rebbe, it says that the Rebbe mentioned that that was 70 years.

17:37 Speaker 1 For sure. For sure. It's a hemshe.

17:39 Speaker 2 So, ah, so you're saying that really this l'chuda... Okay, so going back one second. So this, the, the reason why it's important to lig in a hemshe. So you're saying it's not ju- it's more than just learning chassidus, obviously a Chassidishe chassidus. The... So how, how would you, how would you explain-

17:53 Speaker 1 When, when, when you learn a hemshe-

17:55 Speaker 2 Yeah

17:55 Speaker 1 ... du likst in them. And, and you go back to it. I mean, the Rebbe Rashab used to say a Mayim. The Rebbe Rashab used to say... What was the say there? The Rebbe Rashab used to say the Mayim Friday night Friday night, the Rebbe Rashab used to come in, he used to sit down across the Friediker Rebbe. He used to say dvar Torah to the Friediker Rebbe and all the bochurim on the side. Then, this was, uh, like a furkabah of Shabbos. Then, k'movon, they used to chazer the ma'amar a whole night v'chulu. Then the next day. Then they used to go back into yechidus. The ch-- the chezm used to go into yechidus to the Rebbe Rashab and used to chazer the ma'amar for the Rebbe Rashab. And the Rashab used to be... You know, he used to, he used to correct them if they made certain mistakes. And then they came out b'kitzav from the Rebbe Rashab. So a gantzavoch is men gilagin in the ma'amar-

18:50 Speaker 2 Right

18:51 Speaker 1 ... until the next week. Until the next week, and then the next... So you understand? So basically, a gantzayor misgilagin in the hemshach.

19:04 Speaker 2 Right.

19:05 Speaker 1 It's a system of, of literally capturing the bochurim-

19:09 Speaker 2 Right

19:09 Speaker 1 ... as is only in Yechidus.

19:12 Speaker 2 Right. So-

19:13 Speaker 1 That's, that's, that's the, the magic of a hemshach.

19:15 Speaker 2 That's the way it was when the Rebbe Rashab was saying it, obviously.

19:18 Speaker 1 And the same thing when you learn it.

19:19 Speaker 2 Ah.

19:20 Speaker 1 Same thing as when you learn it. When you learn it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's magical.

19:24 Speaker 2 Right.

19:25 Speaker 1 Because dilikst in dem. Dilikst in dem.

19:29 Speaker 2 When you switched over in the shir from, um, uh, let's say, in the base you said, um, to, to Samach Vav. Was there... Were there people who, uh, said like, voiced their, like, hesitation that they were concerned-

19:42 Speaker 1 To Samach Vav or from Samach Vav?

19:43 Speaker 2 To Samach Vav. No, it's, you know, it's to Emshachim. When you started Emshachim-

19:47 Speaker 1 Yeah

19:47 Speaker 2 ... did people say, like, they were nervous, like, it's way too-

19:49 Speaker 1 What's, what's that pos-- Why?

19:51 Speaker 2 So I, so I, I'm using that question really as a-

19:53 Speaker 1 You say this or say this? What do you mean?

19:55 Speaker 2 What? Yeah, yeah. No, okay, fine. No. So I, I didn't need that to happen, have happened in your case. I'm thinking about, like, again, I'm, you know, ta- I'm talking on behalf of all the anash, you know, who are hopefully listening to this. And so, so it, it's, it, it's... I, I think I, I understand what you're saying about the, um, the, the important stuff of a hemshach. And, and if, if I would... If I could repeat it back in my own words, I would say something like, it's, it's more than just that you're learning chassidus. It's, it's taking over your whole-

20:23 Speaker 1 Exactly

20:24 Speaker 2 ... there's the beginning, there's the end, there's the bigger picture, uh, you know.

20:26 Speaker 1 Likst in dem.

20:27 Speaker 2 Right. S-

20:27 Speaker 1 When you learn every morning a hemshach, every morning you go back to it.

20:31 Speaker 2 Right.

20:32 Speaker 1 Every month you go back to it. Every year you go... Dilikst in dem. The cup likt in the hemshach.

20:36 Speaker 2 Right.

20:36 Speaker 1 It's a fact.

20:37 Speaker 2 Right.

20:38 Speaker 1 It's a fact.

20:39 Speaker 2 So, so I think that-

20:40 Speaker 1 And, and, and, and, and you, you look at this guy, and, uh, we have a Bayis, uh, Dubi Rabinowitz. You know Dubi?

20:48 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

20:48 Speaker 1 He also gives the shir there by us. You look at him, you see the, the gate to nine base. You see it. That's, that's, that's likt in cup.

20:58 Speaker 2 Right. Right. So, so the flip side, w-- I, I think, you know, again, like, uh, an automatic yitzharah would be that it's, it's a big commitment. And like, you know, I, I don't know if I'm ready to, to, like... You know, like, I'm gonna get lost in the, in the, in the bigger picture. And, uh, y-- forget about the, the commitment b'gashmiyus. The commitment's more like in nefesh. Again, we're not talking about a bachur in yeshiva. Like, for kerets, if it was a bachur in yeshiva, and, and like you described in, in Lubavitch and in, in the Samachs and the Nunns and... So yeah, exactly. That's his whole life. There's nothing else to do except learn a little niglah. But, uh, but, uh, Ba- Balabost in Crown Heights. I'm saying whatever, anywhere. A balabost who's, uh, who ha- you know, he has a million other things on his head. In a way, it's almost like I could see that there's a certain fear of like, "I don't wanna, I don't wanna..." Like, I'm, I'm... Maybe it's better for me to learn, you know, uh, I, I'm not saying this chas v'Shalom in a, in a chalilas, in a bad way. Like, you know, uh, Torah or, meaning, or, or like, uh, a, a stam, a stam ma'amar, meaning not officially part of a hemshach. There's a beginning, there's an end. Like a commitment a week or a week-

21:57 Speaker 1 Kemuch got posh, you have to learn Kudeta, you have to, uh, you have to learn all these things. That's, uh, that's, uh, kemuch got posh-

22:01 Speaker 2 I'm not saying about like klatsuke, like to throw yourself in

22:04 Speaker 1 ... you, you, you need to have a... That's why I was telling you the story before of, of, uh, Rav Garary from, uh, Detroit. In velka hemshach liksta.

22:12 Speaker 2 Right.

22:13 Speaker 1 The cup, the fligini in a hemshach. Kemuch, the slanikudeteira and Tanya and everything. That's, uh, that's g-

22:18 Speaker 2 Yeah.

22:18 Speaker 1 It's obvious. Aber du dav-- du dav sligini in a hemshach. Du dav isn't. This guy is a nine base guy. This guy is a Samach Vav guy. I likt in a nat. I likt in a whatever, whatever it is. Uh, hemshach for Friediker Rebbe, whatever. But you kn- you know I, in dem likter, this is, this is a dos lefter.

22:37 Speaker 2 Right. It sounds like you're saying that hugguf, or the reason why someone might be nervous to commit, is exactly the reason why he needs to commit.

22:44 Speaker 1 Right. Very good. Okay.

22:45 Speaker 2 Yeah.

22:46 Speaker 1 Yeah.

22:46 Speaker 2 Like, uh-huh.

22:47 Speaker 1 Yeah.

22:47 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Um, so now, now I'm curious about, you said that the... after you finished Ayin Base, you did, uh, the, the, the Ayin, Ayin Base and Vav.

22:55 Speaker 1 Yeah.

22:55 Speaker 2 And then you went back. So I'm curious why, why did you start again? Now it sounds like you started again a few times. Why not do something else?

23:00 Speaker 1 Why Ayin Base? Ayin Base is the crown jewel of chassidus. I mean, Ayin Base is the crown jewel of chassidus. Tanya is a tirashei biksav of chassidus. Likutei Torah is a tirashei ba'peh of chassidus. It's like a Mishnah is. The Rabbeim after Likutei Torah is like the Gemara.

23:28 Speaker 2 Right.

23:30 Speaker 1 You look at the ma'amar in Likutei Torah, it's two pages. The same ma'amar in Teras Chaim of the Mitteler Rebbe is 40 pages. As if a Mishnah is on Gemara.

23:44 Speaker 2 Right.

23:46 Speaker 1 Whatever, the Samach Tzedek, the, the Rash. You have the Agos on Pasuk Haliyo. Okay? The Agos on Pasuk Haliyo. Pasuk Haliyo is a ma'amar in Likutei Torah. Vayera.

23:59 Speaker 2 At the Parshah, yeah. Tzemiem.

24:02 Speaker 1 Yeah.

24:02 Speaker 2 Yeah.

24:03 Speaker 1 Yeah. It's next week's parsha. It's Vayera. It's one ma'amar in Likutei Torah. The Rebbe Rashab took that ma'amar and wrote Hagvos. What says the Hagvos? Mamash as if a Mishnah is in Gemara. He took the ma'amar, he quotes three lines of Pasuk Haliyo from Likutei Torah. He opens up a Segrim, as if a Gemara, five pages. Then here, you have it. You can see. Here. You see? This is three lines of the ma'amar in Likutei Torah, like a Mishnah. And then efendtsach a Segrim, like the Gemara. Right? It goes on for, let's see, two, four. And you have all the machlikess and the rekantin, the mareches, and all the say this, of chassidus, Kabbalah, the Shaloh, e- everything. Goes on for s- eight pages, 10 pages. Let's see. More. Here, B'reit Era, And here again.

25:19 Speaker 2 Ah.

25:19 Speaker 1 Mishnayis. You see? Mishnayis. And here, even such as Sograim de Gemara. Okay? And in here you have alle inyonim, alle yesodims. Here, here again.

25:32 Speaker 2 Okay.

25:36 Speaker 1 One second. Then some-- comes Samech Vav. Samech Vav, we have the Meforshim, uh, the Rishonim.

25:47 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

25:47 Speaker 1 Achronim, whatever. The Rishonim, uh, the all these inyonim, whether, uh, uh, the, the basic machlikess it's, uh, Eretz Zanim, uh, Pshutim, it's Metsuyorim, it's machlikess the Rakanti, the Mareches, the-the-the-- Which is all mentioned in, in the Hagahos of Posek Hali'oh. Which by the way, the Hagahos Posek Hali'oh was sitting on the Rebbe Rashab's desk for six years.

26:09 Speaker 2 From-

26:10 Speaker 1 It was from, from Taf Resh Nun Beis till Taf Resh Nun Ches.

26:13 Speaker 2 Wow.

26:14 Speaker 1 For six years was there. And they say that the Rebbe Rashab was planning on doing it on other Mamori Mulsim-

26:19 Speaker 2 That's fantastic. Yeah.

26:20 Speaker 1 Yes.

26:21 Speaker 2 He's... Yeah.

26:21 Speaker 1 The plan was to do it, uh, but the Peil, uh, end, ended up being one Mimer.

26:25 Speaker 2 Interesting.

26:25 Speaker 1 Just as we, we say that. You have, you have everything in it. Then comes Samech Vav. Samech Vav takes these inyonim that are explained here in the Hagahos in ten Suros in Azivi de Gemara. Um, so Tutza, Hachedeh, Shevayelech, Tutza, Azivi, the Rashbom, the Ritvo, the... But it's still... I wouldn't call it, Chas V'Shalom, a big mess, but it's still very Azivi, Azivi in Nigle, Sidot Yam Talmud, which is a lot of information, but it's not organized. Comes the Rambam and makes a Seder.

27:13 Speaker 2 Mm.

27:13 Speaker 1 Halochas, Halochas. That's the Rebbe Rashab. We're in Ayin Beis.

27:20 Speaker 2 More in Samech Vav in Dan HaKadosh.

27:21 Speaker 1 Sure.

27:22 Speaker 2 Dan HaKadosh.

27:22 Speaker 1 Samech Vav, you open up a Mimer, it's one long Mimer. You don't know when it's starting, you don't know when it's ending. Ayin Beis, Maimonim, every Mimer is split up into Perakim. After every Perek, there's a Kitsur. Halochas, Halochas, like the Rambam.

27:43 Speaker 2 Right.

27:43 Speaker 1 In Ayin Beis, that, that's the reason that the, uh, the Rebbe Rashab is called the Rambam of Chassidis. The Rebbe Rashab is called the Rambam of Chassidis because he wrote Ayin Beis.

27:55 Speaker 2 Interesting.

27:56 Speaker 1 Because he took... The Rambam took Yam Talmud and made Yad Chazaka Halochas, Halochas. The Rebbe Rashab, Yam Talmud is, is fort Gvul. It's Nigle. The Rebbe Rashab took Blig Vul, Ein Sof. Took Ein Sof, took Blig Vul, and brought it down, brought it down K'Pshutei into Perakim and Kitsurim, Halochas, Halochas. Every Perek in Ayin Beis is another Inyan. Every Perek in Ayin Beis. You s- You look at the, uh, uh, and within the Hemshich, uh, Rosh Shon Ayin He, Seif Tzachon, Anayet Kufeh. The Rashab tells you exact-- Azivi the Rambam in the beginning tells you which Halochas he's gonna discuss. You look at Rosh Shon Ayin He, he tells you, "I'm gonna discuss these four Inyonim."

28:51 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

28:51 Speaker 1 Shemechin, whatever. The, the... He gives you exactly a list of which Inyonim he's gonna discuss. And then he brings it down into Perakim. Every Perek is another Inyan. Halochas, Halochas, Azivi the Rambam.

29:08 Speaker 2 Right.

29:08 Speaker 1 That is the reason that the Rebbe Rashab is called the Rambam of Chassidis.

29:12 Speaker 2 Interesting.

29:12 Speaker 1 Because he took the Yam of Chassidis, just like the Rambam took the Yam of Talmud, Sifra, Sifre, and everything of Nigle, and made it Halochas, Halochas. The Rebbe Rashab took the Yam of Chassidis, which is Blig Vul, it's Mistor, and made it Halochas, Halochas. And that is the reason that the Friediker Rebbe says... The Friediker Rebbe said it.

29:36 Speaker 2 Right.

29:36 Speaker 1 That the Rebbe Rashab is the Rambam of Chassidis.

29:39 Speaker 2 It's clear that the Rebbe-- Friediker Rebbe said this b- um, Be'kesher to Ayin Beis?

29:43 Speaker 1 No.

29:43 Speaker 2 No. It's... Right.

29:44 Speaker 1 Yeah, but, but- Obviously.

29:46 Speaker 2 Right, right.

29:46 Speaker 1 Obviously, it's because of Ayin Beis.

29:48 Speaker 2 When I re-- When I remember the Rebbe-- when the Rebbe brings this concept of the Rambam of Chassidis and the Mems and the Nuns and the Sekhs, it's usually Be'kesher to, like, Temech Temem and Bechalal and the Seder of Nigla of Chassidis.

29:56 Speaker 1 But I'm telling you-

29:57 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

29:57 Speaker 1 But I'm telling you, I'm telling you-

29:59 Speaker 2 Yeah. You see it. You're saying... Yeah. Yeah

30:00 Speaker 1 ... that you see that the, the, the style of the Rebbe Rashab is because of Temech Temem. That's when RaNat started. I mean, Nun Zayin started a little before.

30:11 Speaker 2 Yeah.

30:11 Speaker 1 But RaNat, small Hemshich, then comes Samech Vav, a bigger Hemshich. And then, like the Rebbe said, Ayin Beis, which is Gdel is when you flow is, Afik Be'legabi, Samech Vav.

30:24 Speaker 2 Right. It's-

30:25 Speaker 1 That is the Rambam of Chassidis.

30:28 Speaker 2 Right. I think there's another... Uh, as you were saying this, I tho- I realized another thing, which is that accor- according to this, it should also be possible to, to pick up somewhere middle of the Hemshich.

30:42 Speaker 1 Absolutely. Every Perek is... It's like, imagine taking a Rambam.

30:47 Speaker 2 Right.

30:47 Speaker 1 What's now? Let's say, uh, Shemiras HaNefesh, whatever.

30:49 Speaker 2 Right.

30:50 Speaker 1 You take the Halochas, Halacha, finished. Every Perek in Ayin Beis is another Inyan. You can come im-- Any day you come to the Shir, makes no difference whether you were there the day before You straight in because every Perek is another Inyan.

31:07 Speaker 2 You're not gonna do a Perek a day or it's summer so-

31:09 Speaker 1 No.

31:09 Speaker 2 No. Yeah.

31:10 Speaker 1 No, no, no. Well, first we're holding now where there's no more Prokim. You know the, the system, right?

31:15 Speaker 2 In the, in Chelek Gimel, no?

31:17 Speaker 1 Yeah. No, no, no. Chelek Gimel there's no... Okay, let's, let's-

31:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

31:21 Speaker 1 ... let's explain what's going on. The Rebbe Rashab wrote the Hemshich. Then he said it. When he said the Hemshich, he broke it up. Let's say it took about, uh, five, six pages of what he wrote at, down, and he put a Dibbur Hamachkil, and-

31:48 Speaker 2 Right

31:48 Speaker 1 ... at the end of the Ma'amar, "Vel Pizhu Zman" the Dibbur Hamachkil. Basically, he connected those five pages of the Hemshich to the Parsha of that, of that week. Okay?

31:59 Speaker 2 Right.

32:00 Speaker 1 Then afterwards, after he, uh, he re-edited a little bit, he made it into Prokim and Kitzurim.

32:12 Speaker 2 What, when's afterwards? After he shot the story.

32:14 Speaker 1 After, after he wrote it. After he wrote it, he used to give it back. Whatever, there's a whole system. And he made it... He, he broke it up into Prokim and Kitzurim.

32:23 Speaker 2 Right. But not, not, not after Ayin Beis. You mean like after-

32:25 Speaker 1 No, no, no. As it, as it was going

32:26 Speaker 2 ... yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

32:27 Speaker 1 As it was going.

32:28 Speaker 2 Okay.

32:28 Speaker 1 Now, you will see that in the first Chelek you have Ma'amarim with Prokim and Kitzurim. Then later, well, there's no more Kitzurim and Prokim. There's only the Ma'amarim with the Dibbur Hamachkil because that second stage didn't happen.

32:44 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

32:46 Speaker 1 And then at the end, there's no more Ma'amarim. There's only the Chelek Shel Ein Ma'amar.

32:52 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

32:52 Speaker 1 You understand?

32:53 Speaker 2 Yeah.

32:54 Speaker 1 Because it's, he wrote it all out, and then later he broke it up into Ma'amarim, and then broke it up more into Prokim and Kitzurim.

33:02 Speaker 2 Right.

33:02 Speaker 1 So as time passed, there's no more Prokim and Kitzurim, and then at a certain point there's no more Ma'amarim, and it's only one long Hemshich.

33:13 Speaker 2 So where does that happen? In the middle of Chelek Gimel or-

33:15 Speaker 1 No. The Chelek Shel Ein Ma'amar is Chelek Gimel.

33:16 Speaker 2 Chelek Gimel and-

33:17 Speaker 1 Chelek Gimel

33:17 Speaker 2 ... and Chelek Beis is-

33:18 Speaker 1 In Che... Yeah. Th- over there you'll see the... So f- you said if we learn a Perek a day, now we're holding, uh, uh-

33:23 Speaker 2 It's a lot. Mm-hmm

33:25 Speaker 1 ... uh, end of the old Chelek Beis.

33:26 Speaker 2 Right, yeah.

33:27 Speaker 1 Today it's, today it's Chelek He.

33:28 Speaker 2 Right.

33:28 Speaker 1 They redid it again. Over there, there's Ma'amarim, but there's no Prokim and Kitzurim. So we don't do a Perek a day. Obviously, we do... Now, they also broke it up into Ktoyim, the new, the new-

33:37 Speaker 2 The new brown one.

33:37 Speaker 1 The n- yeah, the new one, they broke it up into Ktoyim.

33:40 Speaker 2 Right. In, uh, in, when the Rebbe Ra- Rashab said the Ma'amar, he said them with the Dibbur Hamachkil? No.

33:44 Speaker 1 Oh, for sure.

33:44 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah? Uh-huh.

33:45 Speaker 1 For sure. Absolutely.

33:46 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

33:46 Speaker 1 That, that was the whole point. The whole point was that he takes a part of the Hemshich, says a Dibbur Hamachkil, asks a couple questions on the Dibbur Hamachkil, or some say Drush Hamachkil, whatever, and, um, and, uh, asks a couple of questions. Then he says, "Well, obviously, that sort of lagged in Tehila," where he was holding in the Hemshich, and goes into the Hemshich. Goes into the whole Hemshich, four or five pages, and at the end, he goes, "Well, Pizhu Zman," the Shayla of the Dibbur Hamachkil.

34:20 Speaker 2 Right.

34:20 Speaker 1 So he, he put in always the beginning and the end of the Ma'amar.

34:23 Speaker 2 Right. And is it clear that Ayin Beis, the way you explained about the, you know, the Mishnah and the Gemara and the Roshinem and the Rama.

34:29 Speaker 1 Yeah.

34:30 Speaker 2 Is it clear that Ayin Beis is following the same system or topics as Sama Achavov? Or it's, it's-

34:37 Speaker 1 Well, there's, there's, there's it's all Chiddush.

34:40 Speaker 2 Right. I-

34:40 Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's all, it's all a continuation. I mean, there's, there's a Ma'amar in Ayin Beis, uh, Shayich in Ayin Beis, which is basically the same Ma'amar as Zeh Zchuk as in Sama Achavov, Eirene Shefa. The same Ma'amar with a couple of Shinuyim, Kimu, and a couple of Chidushim here and there. But if you learn Zeh Zchuk as in Sama Achavov and Shayich in, in Ayin Beis, it's this almost the same Ma'amar. Obviously, there's, there's Chidushim in, uh, in, in Ayin Beis over, over Sama Achavov, Mamish, clean Adiyukim Chidushim. But it's, it's, it's the same ideas, obviously.

35:16 Speaker 2 Right.

35:16 Speaker 1 Same idea, ideas, more elaborated.

35:18 Speaker 2 Right. Same... But in the same, in the same, um, flow of the Hemshich also? Meaning-

35:23 Speaker 1 No.

35:23 Speaker 2 No.

35:23 Speaker 1 No. It's not the same flow of the Hemshich- ... but the same ideas.

35:26 Speaker 2 Yeah. Sure.

35:26 Speaker 1 The, the, the Rebbe Rashab ex- explains Eirene Shefa in, in, uh, in s- in Zeh Zchuk as Sama Achavov, then explains also Eirene Shefa in Shayich in Ayin Beis.

35:37 Speaker 2 Right.

35:37 Speaker 1 So it's, it's the same Minyonim, you know, re- rearranged a little bit and, uh-

35:42 Speaker 2 So according to this, you wouldn't Davka have to learn Sama Achavov before Ayin Beis for this, uh, element of the Havana of it, like, to understand the Yochiddis.

35:52 Speaker 1 Look, obviously, you can always, you know, jump to the Rambam. You have to learn... Do you have to learn Gemara before you learn Rambam?

35:57 Speaker 2 Oh, so it is like that. So, so even though it's not built on the same, uh, Sefer-

36:02 Speaker 1 Yeah

36:02 Speaker 2 ... but it is the, that-

36:03 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah

36:03 Speaker 2 ... Min HaKalal HaKovah. Uh-huh.

36:04 Speaker 1 Yeah. You were, uh, you just, just-

36:06 Speaker 2 Uh-huh

36:06 Speaker 1 ... just like you learn Chumash-

36:07 Speaker 2 Right

36:07 Speaker 1 ... Mishnahis, Gemara, and then Rambam, you have to learn Tanya, you have Likutei Torah, then whatever. I mean, you learn Tres Ha'im or whatever it is, then the Hemshich of the Rebbe Rashab, Sama Achavov, and then Ayin Beis-

36:26 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm

36:26 Speaker 1 ... you, uh, the Rambam.

36:28 Speaker 2 Yeah.

36:28 Speaker 1 Which by the way, it, it's interesting that we, we're talking about Pasuk Haliot because Pasuk Haliot is, in a sense, the most unique Ma'amar Chassidus because it goes from the beginning to end. Meaning, in Likutei Torah, less Manda Polik, the, one of the top Ma'amarim in Likutei Torah, Likutei Torah, is Pasuk Haliot. Vehora'ya, the Rebbe Rashab made the Hagot's on Pasuk Haliot, and then you have the Rebbe's Pasuk Haliot, which culminates the whole thing.

37:06 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

37:08 Speaker 1 The Alter Rebbe's Chochmah The Rebbe Rashab is Malchus from the-

37:14 Speaker 2 Baal Shem Tov

37:15 Speaker 1 ... Baal Shem Tov and the Rebbe's Malchus from the Alter Rebbe.

37:17 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

37:18 Speaker 1 It's a duda when, when, when the Rebbe had to pick the, the Shar blood.

37:23 Speaker 2 Right.

37:23 Speaker 1 Right? So the Friediker Rebbe picked it.

37:26 Speaker 2 Right.

37:27 Speaker 1 And when they had to pick f-for the Rebbe, so the Rebbe, Friedi- the, the Rebbe Rashab said-

37:34 Speaker 2 Friediker Rebbe

37:34 Speaker 1 ... the, the Friediker Rebbe said, "Tate, given a pnimiu and dubius that pnimiu, melei, it's the same, the same Shar blood."

37:41 Speaker 2 Right.

37:42 Speaker 1 Because the Rebbe and the Rebbe Rashab are both Malchus.

37:44 Speaker 2 Interesting.

37:45 Speaker 1 The Rebbe is Malchus from the Alter Rebbe, and the Rebbe Rashab is Malchus from, from, from, from the Baal Shem Tov.

37:56 Speaker 2 There, there is even a lash I remember seeing somewhere about the Rebbe Rashab being called Dershvi. I forget the co-

38:01 Speaker 1 Baal Shem Tov.

38:02 Speaker 2 Right, no, I'm seeing, but it's in a context like where-

38:03 Speaker 1 It's a shailah

38:04 Speaker 2 ... wh-where, where is it, uh-

38:05 Speaker 1 Oh, it's a shailah.

38:06 Speaker 2 Yeah.

38:08 Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's, it's a lot deeper than that. The Alter Rebbe is Chochmah. The Baal Shem Tov and the Maggid are Keser. One is Pnim is a Keser, and one is Chitzon is a Keser. The Alter Rebbe is Chochmah, the Mitteler Rebbe is Bina, the Tzemach Tzedek is Daas. That, the Rebbe says clearly, you can see this, but I once heard that, uh, Rav Yalles, Rav Yalles was by the Rebbe and said this, that the Alter Rebbe is Chochmah, eh. And Rav Yalles told the Rebbe, "Nu, um, mir rechnen zach nisht mit chagas. Bemeile, the Rebbe is Malchus." You understand?

38:51 Speaker 2 Yeah.

38:51 Speaker 1 "Mir rechnen zach nisht mit chagas. Bemeile, the Rebbe is Malchus." But obviously, the Rebbe is Malchus. The Rebbe is Malchus, and, uh, and the Rebbe Rashab is also Malchus. Now, the Baal Shem Tov and the Maggid are Keser. Keser is Malchus. Malchus is Keser.

39:14 Speaker 2 Yeah.

39:15 Speaker 1 The Rebbe Rashab, we're talking of Chof Cheshvan, was born Shnas Kislev.

39:23 Speaker 2 Right.

39:23 Speaker 1 Kislev, Keser. First Maamer of the Rebbe Rashab is-

39:29 Speaker 2 Keser Itnu Lcha

39:30 Speaker 1 ... Keser Itnu Lcha.

39:30 Speaker 2 Right.

39:32 Speaker 1 The whole Ayin Beis. What is the whole Ayin Beis? Shosh, Igdim Yisroel, Naas Elen Ishma.

39:39 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

39:40 Speaker 1 Oh, Malacha Shores, and they put Tuksorim on the head of the Yiden. No, what, what is, what is the whole Ayin Beis? How does the, how does the Rebbe Rashab start the Ayin Beis? "Lehov in inyan a Keser, mahu?"

39:55 Speaker 2 Wow.

39:56 Speaker 1 He asks that question at the beginning of the Hashech. What is Keser? And the whole Hashech is to answer, what is Keser? The whole Hashech, the whole Hashech of Ayin Beis is answering one question. What is Keser?

40:16 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

40:16 Speaker 1 What's meant, what is Keser? What is that place where the Bore meets the Nivra?

40:24 Speaker 2 Right.

40:26 Speaker 1 That's the whole Hashech. There's the famous story that the Rebbe brings in the sicha of Kom Rav Rashab to Rav Ze'ir, right? You know what I'm talking about.

40:35 Speaker 2 Yeah.

40:36 Speaker 1 So the famous sicha of Kom Rav Rashab to Rav Ze'ir, the Rebbe brings the story that, uh, Rebbe Rashab and the Friediker Rebbe traveled together, and, and they were in a hotel some, and, uh, and the Friediker Rebbe comes into the room of the Rebbe Rashab. The Rebbe says the story.

40:56 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

40:58 Speaker 1 And he sees that Rebbe Rashab is in a different world. He's not there. Well, holding a cigarette, But he sees that he's not here. Often a, nishtu often a, I don't remember the details. But he sees that the Fri- the Rebbe Rashab is not here. He comes back after half hour, an hour, and he sees the Rebbe Rashab is not here. And Isaiah, And then after a long time, he comes back to the Rebbe Rashab, and the Friediker Rebbe says clearly that Rebbe Rashab was asking him questions, that the Friediker Rebbe realized that the Rebbe Rashab has no idea where he is. Nishtu in smaan u nishtu mokim. He had no idea where he is, and he had no idea what day it was or what time of the day it was. What happened? The Rebbe says in the sicha, what happened? The Rebbe Rashab literally left this world. This world is a Olam HaGvul, right? He transcended Olam HaGvul and touched Bilvegvul. He transcended the Olam of the Nivra and touched the Bore. But in order to do that, you have to literally transcend this world. But the beauty of it is that he came back. There were others that transcended Olam HaGvul, touched Bilvegvul, and they ended up there.

42:35 Speaker 2 Right.

42:36 Speaker 1 The Volpa.

42:37 Speaker 2 Yes.

42:37 Speaker 1 You know the Volpa?

42:38 Speaker 2 The Talmid of the Baal Shem Tov or the Maggid?

42:40 Speaker 1 The Maggid.

42:41 Speaker 2 Maggid, yeah. The shikker. That's, uh-

42:43 Speaker 1 The Volpa-

42:44 Speaker 2 Yeah

42:44 Speaker 1 ... the Volpa was a Talmid of the Maggid, was a Chaver of the Alter Rebbe. When the Maggid used to say Teyre, all the big Talmidei HaMaggid, so Vadicheve, the Caroline, the, the Ale, Grace, they couldn't take it. They're on Ale Ruis from the Keilim. Rav Zusha, Rav Meilech, one, uh, Tsadki drop it out the vent, the other one, uh, Tsadki cool it out the head. Nobody was able- Lamed Alomday and hear the tale of the Maggid. Impossible. Maggid is a kesef.

43:20 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

43:21 Speaker 1 Maggid is out of this world. He's not part of the wor- the world of, of, of the Nivra. It's Birei. You can't, you can't hear the Maggid's tatus and blyden on normal mensch. So they all went crazy. All of them. They l- they go, "Milon, Milon Nigodl fun Talmida Maggid." They couldn't handle it. Only two were able to handle it. The Alter Rebbe and the Volpa. And even the Alter Rebbe, even the Alter Rebbe, after the Maggid left, finished saying the tate, the Alter Rebbe fell apart as he stood.

44:08 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

44:10 Speaker 1 After the Maggid left, the Alter Rebbe fell apart. The only one, the only one that was able to hear every word from the Maggid, , and afterwards, he was the choizer.

44:28 Speaker 2 Mm.

44:30 Speaker 1 He was the choizer because he was the only one that was able not only to hear what the Maggid is saying, but later to repeat it. None of the, Rebbe Shlave Carolina, Rebbe Zusha, Reb Meilech, they couldn't. He was able to do it. What happened? Remind me that we have to come back to the Rebbe Rashab.

45:03 Speaker 2 Yeah.

45:04 Speaker 1 What happened with the Volpa?

45:08 Speaker 2 There's some sort.

45:10 Speaker 1 Oh, as long as the Maggid was around-

45:13 Speaker 2 Okay, that's good.

45:14 Speaker 1 Yeah?

45:14 Speaker 2 Yeah.

45:16 Speaker 1 As long as the Maggid was around, no problem. As soon as the Maggid was even though the... Actually, it's in . He brings from the whatever.

45:37 Speaker 2 Right.

45:37 Speaker 1 But let's not get into that now. When, when the The fact is, as long as Rebbe, it's great. of the Maggid, of the Maggid, he fell apart. Fell apart. He completely disintegrated psychologically. The biggest Talmid of the Maggid. All the others... Think of it. All the others that couldn't handle it, they became the biggest Rebbes. Rebbe passed away, but, uh, Reb Zusha, Reb Meilech, they became the biggest Rebbes after the of the Maggid. And this guy that was able to handle it, after the of the Maggid, fell apart, became a shiker, literally a, a drunk. He used to go from town to town and, and, uh, be, be a shiker. So that, uh, that, uh, he was once in a the Volpa. He was in a and, um, and he was shiker, and he was laying, you know, next to the oven over there, and, uh, shiker. And there was a Talmid of the Gro that heard, that heard what he's saying, and he says, "this guy." So he went over to him and said, "a shiker." So he said, "You, you can't, you can't hear that anymore." A Maggid. But here, there's an and I'll go back to the Rashab in a minute. The used to repeat m- Rebbe used to the Volpa, the, the Talmid, whatever. But this specifics Rebbe used to repeat. As the Volpa and, um, he was in a and, uh, whatever. He had a you know, and he left the p- speckle in the and he

48:15 Speaker 1 went out of the to take a walk. And the realized that it's the Volpa. So when the Volpa went out to take a walk, the went and started in his speckle. Wanted to find the Volpa comes back. So the says, "I know exactly who you are. You're not gonna play games with me. I was checking to see if you have any ." You know, for Maggid. was the biggest of the Maggid. He didn't have any . And the Volpa told him, he said, was one.

49:29 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

49:30 Speaker 1 the Rebbe and the Hasidim are two different things. So you need -

49:35 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm

49:36 Speaker 1 ... to connect. But by us, we don't n- we didn't need .

49:46 Speaker 2 Yeah.

49:47 Speaker 1 But that's why he fell apart. That's why he fell apart, because he didn't have .

49:55 Speaker 2 Because-

49:55 Speaker 1 The Rashab says,

50:05 Speaker 2 Yeah. In other words-

50:06 Speaker 1 The Volpa went all the way up and expired. The Rebbe Rashab went up and came back down, the story over there in the hotel.

50:21 Speaker 2 Right.

50:21 Speaker 1 And the Rebbe Rashab told the Friediker Rebbe that that's when I conceived Ayin Beis.

50:29 Speaker 2 Right.

50:30 Speaker 1 What's the pshat? What's the pshat? What's the whole Ayin Beis we said before? Lehovin inyana keser mau. Keser is beyond chachmah. What is, what is, what is the beauty of chachmah? The beauty of chachmah is that w-w-- Chachmah is bit-- The beauty of chachmah is that you go beyond yourself. Chachmah, chachmah doesn't mean that you, that du bist a... Du vashteis. That you're a smart guy, you're a, you're a scientist, and you understand. That's bina. Mr. Einstein is a very smart guy, but he's not a chacham, he's a maven. He's a maven. He's a very, very smart guy. He has a phenomenal brain, and he looks at many pieces, nature, galaxies, and he understands, and he makes up formulas. He's a genius. That's not a chacham, that's a maven. He's an amazing maven. That's not a chacham. That's not chachmah. Chachmah is key achmah. Chachmah is key achmah. Key achmah is divided in two. There is the box of the world of reason, eleh masayichu, and chachmah is half in the box and half out of the box. The ma of chachmah is beyond the box, the world of reason. The key ach is within the world of reason.

52:08 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

52:09 Speaker 1 So the maven, the maven, Mr. Einstein, genius, he travels in the world of bina. He understands everything. He figures out all kinds of formulas. He figures out galaxies and then the black holes, whatever it is. He figures it all out. The theory of relativity. But when he comes at the end of eleh masayichu, when he comes to the end of eleh masayichu, he goes back in.

52:41 Speaker 2 Right.

52:43 Speaker 1 That's a maven. The chacham, when he comes to the end of eleh masayichu, he breaks through. He goes beyond. That's what the Rebbe Rashab did. The Rebbe Rashab was sitting there. The Rebbe Rashab is also a genius, and he travels in eleh masayichu. But when he travels in eleh masayichu, and he comes at the end of eleh masayichu, unlike Einstein that goes back in, he goes out. He breaks through as bakea deparsa. As bakea, he breaks through, and he goes out with half of chachmah. The ma of chachmah touches keser tacha. The key ach is within eleh masayichu. That is the beauty of chachmah. It's a dual beauty, dual function. First of all, chachmah breaks through. It's an antenna. Because it has bitl, accepts that there's something beyond, Mr. Einstein is a yesh. It has to make sense in his eleh masayichu. If it doesn't make sense in his eleh masayichu, it doesn't exist. No matter what you tell him. You talk to him about beyond seichel, he'll tell you, "Dos guf is seichel." But there's a yesh. Svelten bitl. Everything has to make sense, the rules of reason. Two plus two equals four, finished. There's, there's... You can't go beyond that. The chacham has bitl, emes a bitl, and accepts that there is something beyond me. There's something beyond seichel. There's ein sof. There's keser. So first of all, chachmah is an antenna. Antenna that goes and touches lig vul. But chachmah has a dual function. After it touches keser, after it touches keser,

54:59 Speaker 1 it turns back down, is a transformer also, and transforms that infinite experience of touching keser, transforms it. That's ma. That's the ma of chachmah, touching keser. It transforms it into a koach sichli. Goes back in and makes a koach sichli. One little dot, a bor kamavrik, a nekuda sichlis. But it takes that ein sof, that pnimius a keser, which is ein sof, and makes it a koach sichli. That's chachmah. That's the Alter Rebbe. That's what the Alter Rebbe did when he went to Mizratch. He, he became a kusher to the Maguid. He went... That's chachmah. That's the Alter Rebbe. The Alter Rebbe's chachmah. Touched the Maguid. Touched keser, the Maguid, the Baal Shem Tov. This is what the Rebbe Rashab did. Over there when he was sitting in that hotel, he went out of Olam HaSechel. He literally transcended Olam Hagvul and touched Bevul. But he also came back. He came back, and he wrote it down.

56:22 Speaker 2 Right.

56:22 Speaker 1 You can come back, but not write it down. The Volpa came back temporarily, and not Nishgat can solve him. That's why he fell apart. The Rabash said, "Ir gain himu undik sovim lo zichay." Well, you still have your question why you have to learn Ein Beis.

56:47 Speaker 2 Yeah. There's a few things. First of all, so, uh, first of all, on a technical level, so why, why is that description of what Rabash did, why is that Kesser not Chochmah itself?

56:57 Speaker 1 It is. It's, it's the function of Chochmah.

57:00 Speaker 2 The f-f-

57:00 Speaker 1 Yeah

57:00 Speaker 2 ... function of Chochmah as its Kesser.

57:02 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

57:03 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

57:03 Speaker 1 Okay. Obviously, it, it's the function of Chochmah. The function of Chochmah is to go beyond yourself and touch Kesser, which is beyond yourself. We don't do-- We... Once, once we start say the Rishtashus, Chochmah being a Da'at, we don't do that. We take a Nekudah, and we, we, we take it apart into protein, and then we understand it. We don't do that. We don't. Only Chochmah does that. That's what the Rabash did.

57:34 Speaker 2 Okay. And, um, and you were saying-

57:38 Speaker 1 And, and, and, and, and that's wh- that's why I'm telling you that the whole Ein Beis-- The Rabash himself said, "That's when I conceived Ein Beis."

57:46 Speaker 2 Right.

57:46 Speaker 1 Yeah?

57:47 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

57:47 Speaker 1 And what is the whole Ein Beis? "Lehovin inyana kesser mao".

57:51 Speaker 2 Right.

57:51 Speaker 1 He basically told you, "This is what I just did. I went beyond myself, beyond Sechel. I touched Kesser, and now I'm writing Ein Beis, and I'm gonna let you know what is Kesser." The exact question is, "Lehovin ko ze," 'cause yeah, right in the beginning of the Hemsha.

58:14 Speaker 2 Yeah.

58:14 Speaker 1 "Lovin ko ze, tzorich lovin tehileh, inyam chinasa kesser bichlal mao." That's how he start the Hemsha.

58:22 Speaker 2 Right.

58:22 Speaker 1 I once heard a vort. Shmuel Kushi one time told me, "Alde ragat akas." He says, he says, he says, "What's the answer?" Well, the Hemsha, you know, the, there's the Hemsha, then the Chelek Sh'el Olam Ha'mar. The Chelek Sh'el Olam Ha'mar doesn't end, right? You know, there's-

58:39 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

58:39 Speaker 1 That's the answer. It says so.

58:41 Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, but it sounds like the, the answer is that Lovin Kesser Mao, it's basically about Chochmah. The answer of what is Kesser is really ultimately about Chochmah.

58:52 Speaker 1 Yeah.

58:52 Speaker 2 Yeah.

58:53 Speaker 1 Chochmah and, and Malchus.

58:54 Speaker 2 Oh, right. And that goes back, you were saying about-

58:56 Speaker 1 Yeah

58:56 Speaker 2 ... you were trying to say about how the Rebbe Shabas Malchus-

58:58 Speaker 1 Yeah

58:58 Speaker 2 ... the Rebbe-

58:58 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Chochmah and Malchus because Malchus is, is Kesser.

59:01 Speaker 2 Kesser, right. How, how, what were... Uh, it sounds like you were trying, you were trying to say something about the, the Rebbe, the parallel, that the Rebbe was-

59:08 Speaker 1 Oh, because the Rebbe is Malchus.

59:10 Speaker 2 Right.

59:10 Speaker 1 The Rebbe is Malchus, the Rabash is Malchus. Malchus finishes everything. Malchus finishes everything. So th-this, this is what's fascinating about Posek Haliot.

59:19 Speaker 2 Of the Rebbe, you're saying?

59:20 Speaker 1 The, the, the whole Posek Haliot because-

59:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, right

59:22 Speaker 1 ... Posek Haliot, you have the Alter Rebbe's Posek Haliot.

59:25 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

59:25 Speaker 1 Then you have the Agois of the Rebbe Rashab.

59:29 Speaker 2 Right.

59:30 Speaker 1 You go to the Rashab, and then you have the Rebbe's Posek Haliot.

59:32 Speaker 2 Right.

59:32 Speaker 1 Which culminates the whole thing, like from beginning to end. You have from Chochmah down to Malchus.

59:38 Speaker 2 Right. So I, I wanna put together a few things that you said and, um, first of all, the thing about the Volpa, right? So there's the, the Nekudah of because he didn't have the Ksavim, that's why he fell apart, but clearly that's connected als-

59:52 Speaker 1 No, no, no. One second, one second, one second, one second. He clearly said it himself. He had an Atzmus Dikka Kesser with his Rebbe.

59:59 Speaker 2 Right.

1:00:01 Speaker 1 But it was Atzmus Dik, but there was no Giluyim.

1:00:04 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

1:00:06 Speaker 1 Ksavim.

1:00:06 Speaker 2 Right.

1:00:08 Speaker 1 And that's why I don't need Ksavim. I have a Atzmus Dikka Kesser to my Rebbe. But what we have to understand, this is... You, you could write a, a, a thousand-page, the psychology of the Volpa. How do you understand that because he had an Atzmus Dikka Kesser with his Rebbe, because there was no Giluyim there, that's why he was able to actually listen to the Teyres of his Maggid, of the Maggid, without going crazy. Everybody else, they were taking... Obviously, they had also an Atzmus Dikka Kesser with their Rebbe.

1:00:47 Speaker 2 Right.

1:00:47 Speaker 1 But they were, they were, they were taking the Giluyim, and they couldn't, they couldn't, they couldn't.

1:00:52 Speaker 2 Right.

1:00:52 Speaker 1 They couldn't.

1:00:53 Speaker 2 'Cause Atzmus wouldn't be able to handle it.

1:00:54 Speaker 1 They-

1:00:54 Speaker 2 Giluyim can't handle it.

1:00:55 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. They couldn't, they couldn't take it. This one was, uh, on top of the table. This one under the table. They, they all went crazy. It was impossible. The Chiddushim is the Alter Rebbe. Alter Rebbe, Beshas the Meimer, Beshas the Teyre from Maggid, he was able to... But later, he fell apart. That's... Uh, we can't let it rain in Teyres no Chanah. Maybe that's when he took the Etzim into Giluyim after when, when the Maggid already left. He took the Etzim into Giluyim, whatever.

1:01:27 Speaker 2 Right.

1:01:28 Speaker 1 But the, the Volpa had a Atzmus Dikka Kesser on Giluyim, and as long as the Maggid was around-

1:01:37 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah

1:01:37 Speaker 1 ... he was the top. But now that the Maggid's not here, without my Ksavim, without learning Epes, the Maggid's not here to say the Teyre anymore. He falls apart.

1:01:52 Speaker 2 Right. So, so there's that, there's that, um, Nekudah in that story, and then there's a n- there's a Nekudah about the Chaldus, the way you explained about Kesser, about how... Or, or Chochmah, how it's able to reach beyond Sechel, which is the Vart of Bital.

1:02:11 Speaker 1 Right.

1:02:11 Speaker 2 And what, what, what, what, um, what, what is striking me is the Nekudah of, of Avoidah In other words, in... A-and this is obviously a much broader topic, but I'm seeing the, the, the pattern and I, I think this is an important nekuda to talk about. Mechir, this is a good, uh, a good segue that there's all this, uh, tremendous haskala. I'm saying bechalal, Ayin Beis bechalal. And then the way it's, you just explained about the Rebbe Rashab and Kesser and the, the power of Chochma to reach Kesser because of the Bitul. And, and then also the Vart of the Vopa, I think is a very connected nekuda of where he's, i-he, he was lost in the world of the Maggid's... Obviously, he can't have the Maggid's avoda. He, he's connecting with more the haskala, the, the oier of the-

1:03:01 Speaker 1 It's like he said, he had a atzmus dike a kesher.

1:03:05 Speaker 2 You're right.

1:03:05 Speaker 1 He took that-

1:03:05 Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly. But then it doesn't trans-translate into gilyuyim which-

1:03:10 Speaker 1 Doesn't translate into gilyuyim.

1:03:11 Speaker 2 Right.

1:03:12 Speaker 1 The m-- the, after they study 'cause it's forsaken.

1:03:13 Speaker 2 Right. So ano- so another word I think is connected to that is avoda.

1:03:17 Speaker 1 Move on.

1:03:17 Speaker 2 Right. Exactly.

1:03:18 Speaker 1 Can move on. Can move on. Can move on. It doesn't come into an aveida and this is, this is gut, glug done.

1:03:23 Speaker 2 And then this is what put tachlis in his life.

1:03:25 Speaker 1 What is, what is, what is, uh, what is haskala an aveida? What do you mean?

1:03:28 Speaker 2 Right. Oh.

1:03:29 Speaker 1 It's nothing.

1:03:29 Speaker 2 Oh. So exactly. So this is what, this is what I think, uh, uh, a important part is... And I think, uh, I think let, let's start with the Rebbe Rashab. Um, actually, before I, before I forget, I wanted to ask this before and, uh, uh, I don't wanna forget. It, it, um, so I'm curious. The, when the Rebbe printed Ayin Beis and Lamed Zayin, did the Rebbe give any t- like, then or after, hayyus about how or when it should be learned? Like as a s-

1:03:54 Speaker 1 No. Not, not that I know.

1:03:55 Speaker 2 Right. Okay.

1:03:55 Speaker 1 Not that I know.

1:03:56 Speaker 2 I, I was thinking about it before when you said about, uh, after Samach Vav that, like, you know-

1:03:59 Speaker 1 No

1:03:59 Speaker 2 ... ah, there's nothing like-

1:04:00 Speaker 1 The Rebbe s- this was the Re- the Rebbe's lashon. As his gedolis when he flows, I feel the gabbe Samach Vav.

1:04:05 Speaker 2 Right.

1:04:05 Speaker 1 So I would imagine after finish Samach Vav, you might as well learn Ayin Beis, no?

1:04:08 Speaker 2 Sure. Yeah, yeah.

1:04:09 Speaker 1 You wanna know, you wanna know how to go to the gedolis when he flows.

1:04:11 Speaker 2 Right.

1:04:12 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:04:13 Speaker 2 Right. No, I'm curious if the Rebbe gave, like, a, like a, like a... For example, I'm saying p-people wrote to Rebbe, Rebbe about starting from Chesed L'Chachal. The Rebbe usually wrote to them about Tanya or Dechemut Teshuvah. Like, you know, there's, there's, there's, there's specific hayyus that the Rebbe gives, um, about learning Chassidus or Sefer HaL'chassidus. I'm curious if Ayin Beis had any, like, hayyus-

1:04:30 Speaker 1 I don't know.

1:04:31 Speaker 2 Okay. I'm gonna look this up. So I just, I don't wanna forget that, but, uh-

1:04:33 Speaker 1 Look, these things, uh, uh, we, we... Who are we to understand, you know, Rebbes? Uh, yeah. But, but the, the... I remember once hearing from someone. The Razah was older than the Rebbe Rashab. And the Razah gives out Chassidus.

1:04:52 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:04:52 Speaker 1 He said, "My Morim, I was like a maskil nifla." And he said, "Chassidus," said, "My Morim." He even took Yichidus.

1:05:00 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah?

1:05:01 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:05:01 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:05:02 Speaker 1 In the beginning-

1:05:02 Speaker 2 Right

1:05:03 Speaker 1 ... for, for 10 years.

1:05:03 Speaker 2 All 10 years he took Yichidus?

1:05:05 Speaker 1 Whatever. In the beginning-

1:05:05 Speaker 2 Right

1:05:06 Speaker 1 ... the Rebbe, the Rebbe Rashab used to send to the Razah. The Razah used to send to Rebbe Rashab, you know.

1:05:09 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:05:09 Speaker 1 The Rebbe Rashab didn't take the Yichidus for 10 years, right?

1:05:11 Speaker 2 Right.

1:05:13 Speaker 1 So obviously, we can't say these things 'cause a Rebbe is a Rebbe. But I remember once someone saying, "Well, far vos iz the Rebbe Rashab a gvoer Rebbe?" That's... Again, we, we can't say these things, but it gives a bit... Because he was more oved.

1:05:30 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:05:31 Speaker 1 That's, this is shma v'kacht, whatever.

1:05:33 Speaker 2 Right.

1:05:34 Speaker 1 Again, you can't talk like that. A Rebbe is a Rebbe, finish.

1:05:36 Speaker 2 Right.

1:05:37 Speaker 1 Not because of the, uh, this or...

1:05:39 Speaker 2 Right.

1:05:39 Speaker 1 But if you want a little bit-

1:05:40 Speaker 2 Tas tachlis.

1:05:41 Speaker 1 Yeah. S- what I'm trying to say, obviously, uh, the-

1:05:46 Speaker 2 Right

1:05:46 Speaker 1 ... the whole tachlis is aveida.

1:05:47 Speaker 2 How'd you... Oh, of course. I mean-

1:05:48 Speaker 1 So many times the Rebbe Rashab talks about, uh, you know, the haskala and aveida, how this is worthless. The whole point of the haskala is to bring in aveida.

1:05:56 Speaker 2 In Sefer HaChassidim, the-

1:05:58 Speaker 1 Yeah. Sure.

1:05:58 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:05:59 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:05:59 Speaker 2 So, uh, so this is... So there's, like... So this is what I wanna get into a little bit because, like, you have, um, there's a, there's a lot, a lot of people talk obviously about the concept, I'm, I'm using this as a mashal, of, like, you know, their, the, that, the, their shivi, it's, like, the, the, the style of avoda changed. Like, in other words, there was-

1:06:17 Speaker 1 That's good. Okay.

1:06:17 Speaker 2 R- exactly.

1:06:18 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:06:18 Speaker 2 So not, not to get into that thing of their shivi, but using it as a mashal. In the Rebbe Rashab itself.

1:06:24 Speaker 1 Yeah.

1:06:24 Speaker 2 So you almost... You have, like, the Sefarim and the Kontrasim of, of, of Kuntzit Chaim, Kuntza Avoda, Kuntza Tefila, right? Which is very mu- much more o- obviously, there's haskala for sure. There's tfilat haskala in Kuntza Tefila, you know. But, but obviously, the, the focus of it is avoda. And Rebbe Rashab wrote them bikur for the Bachurim, for the Okay. Is there a similar thing in I base that, uh, that kind of, uh, flow, that kind of, um-

1:08:27 Speaker 1 It's, uh, n-n- uh, you know, it's, it's not as obvious as, as in some of... Some of them it's very obvious.

1:08:33 Speaker 2 Right.

1:08:33 Speaker 1 'Cause you see the, the build-up to, to And then . It's very obvious that it's a scholar argument, that the iker is not a scholar. It's a scholarly, it's a scholarly argument, and the iker is not a scholar, the iker is a rebe.

1:08:54 Speaker 2 Right. Uh, the bench not say of it is that exactly, yeah.

1:08:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That's the whole point.

1:08:58 Speaker 2 Right.

1:08:58 Speaker 1 Bench not say of it.

1:08:58 Speaker 2 Right. So, okay, so, so exactly. So in, so in the... Li-like you said before that, that no one's gonna argue that avoid is not important in Hashem or that even that the point of a scholar is not avoid though. So in the, in the books, in other words, in the goal of when we learn Chassidus, uh, um, it's clear. Question is how does that, how does that look practically when... You know, and again, going back to the beginning, like, you know, Anash talking and learning Chassidus and uh, obviously this is a personal thing for every personal ind-or individual. You know, there must be a, how Chassidus is affecting their life. But as a group, especially like, you know, talking a little bit like as a shore, as a kehilla, how do you see that the learning of Chassidus directly... Or do you see? Do you see on a collective frame or forget-

1:09:43 Speaker 1 For sure

1:09:43 Speaker 2 ... Protem?

1:09:44 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:09:44 Speaker 2 How do you, how do you, how do you see how-

1:09:46 Speaker 1 You could see it on the guy's face if the guy came to Chassidus that morning. You see it on his face. If he came to Chassidus that morning, the guy's actually Chassid. It's very obvious. I could see, I, I could see it. The guys that come to Chassidus, they're Chassidush.

1:10:04 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:10:05 Speaker 1 It's a fact.

1:10:06 Speaker 2 Right. So, oh, so now the question is, does there need to be... That's... I-is that more in a makkah take away that just the fact that you're committing to waking up early to come to Chassidus, so automatically just because... Or maybe, maybe another way of saying makkah is almost like in a ... kind of way. In other words like you're, you're, you're, you're, you're involved in good things. You're not involved in, in, in, in not good things. You're, you're, you're getting up early to, uh, to learn Chassidus. You're not sleeping in. The, the... And, and obviously that's true. I'm not asking is that true. But the, the g- for, to make it more of a premistic a thing, and also someone was thinking about before about the, the p- um, about the primus of saying that the, he said before the ... there was a pnimiy, there was a pnimiy, right? I think, I think this is where maybe it gets a little bit more, um, questionable of like how do you see the, the Chassidus making a premistic, uh, difference in a person. Those... Like, even what you're saying, like, you can see it on the guy's face, which I, I, I agree with you. Like I, I, I see it in myself, you know what I mean? I know, I know for myself when I wake up early. But I would describe it, again, at least talking for myself, more maybe in a makkah take away by default, and then to make that

1:11:16 Speaker 2 happen in, of the primus, in, in, in needs of it. To make it, uh, have a premistic effect, it needs of the primus.

1:11:22 Speaker 1 Listen, the iker is Limud HaChassidus. Case closed.

1:11:28 Speaker 2 The gabby what? You're saying the gabby-

1:11:30 Speaker 1 The iker is Limud HaChassidus. That's it. I heard from, uh, a rebbe in Shalom that, that, uh, Mendel Vechter, when he was still in Wilensberg, he once... He used to have sure Chassidus. He had a sure Chassidus in Kotoktera, eight people showed up to the Chassidus. To, to, to the sheer. So he wrote, uh, settled, And, uh, eight people showed up. Whatever. Okay. A month later, or maybe more than a month later, a while later, Rabbi Klein, Rabbi Benjamin Klein, sees Mendel Vechter and says, "What's the And, uh, eight people show up. So Rab-Rabbi Klein tells, uh, Mendel Vechter, "The rebbe held them settle in Kesanish and Achidish side."

1:12:39 Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.

1:12:41 Speaker 1 The iker is Limud HaChassidus. That's it. Only learn and learn with others about Samayonus. That's it. Everything else, Pirusho.

1:12:56 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:12:57 Speaker 1 That's it. Everything else, whatever we do, is a side factor of Limud HaChassidus. A Chassid, learn Chassidus. Everything else is a Zaytik Zak.

1:13:13 Speaker 2 Okay. I'm thinking now as, as that, that, uh, I mean, clearly this is what the Altrebbe writes in, in Pereg Dal, that the tiger is more of a Gamlevosh. Like it's the-

1:13:22 Speaker 1 Obviously

1:13:22 Speaker 2 ... it's the makkah and the pnimiy. In other words, it's, it will make that makkah take a change on the person, but it will also be mechaya him in a, in a premistic way. Uh-huh. So, so I mean, uh, so on a practical level, if a person, Balabus, you know, uh, if he wants to, if he wants to... Uh, uh, going back to what you said about the, the Hemsha Ligin and the Hemsha, right? That Nekoda. For, oh, so first of all, so it's, it's, so in a way, I could see it that like even technically if you're learning one Mimer in Melokot, um, th-that itself could be in that n-way of a Hemsha. In other words-

1:14:01 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:14:02 Speaker 2 Right. Even, even just one Mimer.

1:14:04 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:14:04 Speaker 2 You're, you're learning one Os at a time.

1:14:05 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:14:06 Speaker 2 Right.

1:14:06 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:14:06 Speaker 2 Right.

1:14:06 Speaker 1 For sure.

1:14:07 Speaker 2 So what, what are the... Okay, so how-

1:14:08 Speaker 1 My, my father had, had the, uh, what was it? Kishokha. I remember, I think Kishokha. He had in his pocket for like years. So. But actually one time, I remember, my father used to go very early to Shul, and one time I saw that for a while he was going earlier. So I saw that, uh, I was wondering what was, was learned there. So I went into his office and I saw some of of.

1:14:34 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. You, you're saying your father had a Kishokha. You're talking about like in Tosha when it came out or-

1:14:39 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:14:39 Speaker 2 Oh, oh, yeah. Fair. Right.

1:14:41 Speaker 1 But he had it in his pocket for like-

1:14:42 Speaker 2 Right. For, uh, e-even after-

1:14:43 Speaker 1 Five years

1:14:43 Speaker 2 ... the next Mamaram came out.

1:14:44 Speaker 1 You know, five years. Yeah. Then wherever he went, uh, so, so for five years he, he learned that Mimer.

1:14:49 Speaker 2 Right. Right. So you're saying that, that aspect of it is the Nekoda of Ligin and the Hemsha. The, it's, it's taking over your whole, your whole Matias. It's taking over your whole, uh, yeah. Right. So, so, so, so yeah, so practically if a, if a... An-another question how this comes up, I think a practical way to ask the question is like the, the, the, the famous balance between Ion and Girsah. I-I'm talking about in Chassidus, right? If-- It sounds like for this, it, it demands a level of Iyun. Obviously not Iyun like gribbling the Chanah on, on every word and the dik of every word. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Iyun of, like, that, yeah, you're, you're really chewing it over and thinking about it. And, like, uh, I think even what you're describing about doing the Hemshach over and over, that's a nekuda of Iyun. It's not a nekuda of Hirsu. That's, that's how you have Iyun. Lechayim. But then on the other hand, y- y- like, you want to, you want to familiarize yourself with the topic of Chassidus, especially for Karis, especially like I said before, especially if you want to get to, uh, these Emshachim. Like I said, you need to know, uh, the, the Chumash and the Mishnahs and the Gemara. So h- practically speaking, a Bal- I'm not asking theory. I'm asking a Balbos wants to be Kaveid to learn Torah, to Chassidus. He wants to, wants to get this.

1:15:59 Speaker 3 Has to be . We have in the morning, we have a shiur in Ein Bein. We have a shiur in the Rebbe's memorial. We have a shiur in, in Tzeras Chaim. There's a Cheider that come every day to learn Tzeras Chaim.

1:16:11 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Interesting.

1:16:13 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yosef Rosenfeld gives a shiur every day, Tzeras Chaim. Every day is, uh, l- later, like nine fifteen. And, um, on an average day, there's at least seven, eight guys sitting and learning Tzeras Chaim.

1:16:25 Speaker 2 Wow.

1:16:25 Speaker 3 This one, this one likes Tzeras Chaim.

1:16:27 Speaker 2 Right.

1:16:27 Speaker 3 Others like Ein Bein. Others like the Rebbe's memorial.

1:16:33 Speaker 2 Right.

1:16:33 Speaker 3 I want to learn.

1:16:35 Speaker 2 Right. So wh- what do you think the strength of the Marash, what do you think they were trying to accomplish by... I- I- I'm, I'm not obviously asking as Alter Rebbe. I'm saying, so according to this, if you could have this milah of ligin in a Hemshach, technically any Chassidus that you learn. So what were, what was the point of the Hemshachim? The pashut-

1:16:54 Speaker 3 The reason was because, because it w-- it w-- by then it was a Hemshach.

1:16:58 Speaker 2 Right. You're saying pashut to give over the information.

1:17:00 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:17:00 Speaker 2 Pashut to give over it, right. Like you said-

1:17:02 Speaker 3 How do you give over, how do you give over such that you can't give it over in one day?

1:17:04 Speaker 2 Right. Ah, okay.

1:17:05 Speaker 3 It tak- it takes four ye- it took four years-

1:17:07 Speaker 2 Right

1:17:07 Speaker 3 ... from Ein Bein to Lai Vov. Four years at almost every Shabbos or some, uh, almost every Shabbos. Four years, and it still didn't finish.

1:17:15 Speaker 2 Right.

1:17:15 Speaker 3 How you can give it over in five minutes?

1:17:17 Speaker 2 Right. Oh, so, so, uh, uh, if you go-

1:17:19 Speaker 3 If you go, if you go out of, of, of Ohel Makvul and you touch Kessel-

1:17:23 Speaker 2 Right

1:17:24 Speaker 3 ... and you come back and you give it over in five minutes-

1:17:26 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:17:26 Speaker 3 It's gonna take, uh, forever.

1:17:28 Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, that's the, the, the vort of the Arizal that, uh, what I saw in, in Bozot and-

1:17:33 Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly.

1:17:33 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:17:34 Speaker 3 So it took tw-- that, that would take, uh, years.

1:17:36 Speaker 2 Right. Right. Uh, so-

1:17:38 Speaker 3 But you, you see a, a, a interesting similarity, but, um, now I'm saying about the, the way that Rab Shab went out and came back in and, and, and, and, and the, the, the Alter Rebbe, the same thing. Sabbath Alter Rebbe, Sabbath the Rebbe Rashab, you see that mamash at the end before they stalk us, it says that the Alter Rebbe looked up at the, at the beam and said, "I don't see a beam, I see a lekuch." In the Mishkan Tzedek Rebbe, the Rab Shab also says about this. It's the same idea.

1:18:05 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:18:05 Speaker 3 Like, uh, I don't, I don't see it. It's a takes, takes a lifetime to, to, to re- to reach that level.

1:18:12 Speaker 2 Right.

1:18:13 Speaker 3 As you don't see a beam, you see a lekuch.

1:18:15 Speaker 2 Right. So according to this, it comes out... I mean, I'm-- what I'm hearing is interesting nekuda, that there's the, the meaning of Emshachim, especially as Rebbe, we're giving them over, which is pashut like a more hascaldic thing. Like, it, it's a Hemshach. There, there, there's a Seder, and I'm trying to explain it in the Seder. But mitzad the chassidus of avodah, uh, uh, avodah of learning Chassidus, the, the, the Hemshach gives us more Oisios and more obviously. And again, like, uh, to learn it by mitzad the nekuda of, of, like you said, ligin in the Hemshach, that's a must. That's a, that's a, that's a style of, of learning and living Chassidus that's irrelevant specifically of what you're learning. You could learn, you could learn a, a Perek Tanya, and it's, uh, and it's ligin in a Hemshach.

1:18:54 Speaker 3 Rebbe Rashab says, I don't know if... I don't think he says . I think he says the... I don't know the exact lotion. This is a very interesting story.

1:19:10 Speaker 2 What does that mean? I'm saying the title, uh, uh, is- Right. But what does that mean?

1:19:13 Speaker 3 He learned, he learned, he learned the Mitteler Rebbe's Chassidus because, uh, uh, uh, Ein Bein is musar of, of, of, Imi Rebbe, right?

1:19:19 Speaker 2 Right.

1:19:20 Speaker 3 And it's, it's, it's, it's musar of the Mitteler Rebbe. So the Rashab says, "I learned Chassidus. I learned Chassidus the, the, the, the, the, the, the yagea of a goy like the Rebbe Rashab." Could you imagine a goy like the Rebbe Rashab? It's a misyagea to understand a word in Imi Rebbe. He learned Chassidus . There's a very interesting story in or in Rebbe. The Friediker Rebbe says, it's that, um, the Rebbe Rashab used to... By the Fabregen, Rebbe Rashab Fabregen three times a year.

1:20:00 Speaker 2 Simchas Torah.

1:20:00 Speaker 3 Simchas Torah.

1:20:01 Speaker 2 Yes.

1:20:02 Speaker 3 Yom Kippur, Sukkot, and Purim. Fabregen every Monday and Thursday. Uh, three times a year. But, uh, a couple of times, you see that Rebbe Rashab says, and says a story. Here's a . The Friediker Rebbe says that the Rebbe Rashab, when he became Rebbe, he went to the Ohel of the Rebbe Maharash and said to the Rebbe Maharash, but by the Ohel, he's talking to his father, he says, He's talking to the Rebbe Maharash. So you can imagine the Rebbe Rashab when he was younger, he didn't even... I don't wanna say he had some waste his time to sit Vechasid of a Brenger, uh, uh, as a, as a filler, as a Gila and learn a Chasidus.

1:21:12 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

1:21:13 Speaker 3 The beauty of the story is that the Rebbe Rashab tells the Rebbe Maharash by mail, "And if this is the master, yes, yes, as if the Fabrenger, you'd have to tell the master, but can you show master? You tell me the master." And the Rebbe Rashab is the comeback, and it's like a year to master on top.

1:21:28 Speaker 2 Wow.

1:21:29 Speaker 3 By mail.

1:21:30 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:21:32 Speaker 3 So it's, it's, it's, it's good luck. And, uh, I don't remember where it is. If I see, I look at the bullet. But, but you see as a gi- a Gizes in Gila and Chasidus, Bizba Ma'aruzi Kroch in the art from Kop.

1:21:46 Speaker 2 Right. It's interesting, and it sounds like it connects back to the Mitler Rebbe with the cutting the finger. Same, similar-

1:21:51 Speaker 3 Yeah

1:21:51 Speaker 2 ... to Kodav, like, uh-

1:21:53 Speaker 3 Yeah

1:21:53 Speaker 2 ... possibly in the goshmiss of his, uh... Right. Right.

1:21:58 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:21:59 Speaker 2 What, what, uh, what would you say is the, the, the Pol Yoitze of Chav Chesed? To, to... I, I, I, you, you basically said it already about the Ikros of Chasidus, but specifically out to Chav Chesed.

1:22:13 Speaker 3 Um, uh, the Friediker Rebbe says something very interesting. The Friediker Rebbe says this, "Medef Dav Machan Akvias learning them Terashalom Yeder Tog Etlech Ashuras."

1:22:29 Speaker 2 Wow.

1:22:30 Speaker 3 It's a lotion for the Friediker Rebbe. "Medef Dav Machan Akvias learning them Terashalom Yeder Tog Etlech Ashuras. Medef in Kimfule Etlech Ashuras. Etlech Ashuras is genug. Dot muset mi be the flemen via Chosid."

1:22:46 Speaker 2 Wow.

1:22:48 Speaker 3 And that Terashalom, uh, it's unbelievable because come on, the, the Moshech and the Terashalom, you see how the, the Rebbe Rashab talks.

1:22:59 Speaker 2 Right.

1:23:00 Speaker 3 Eret. You know what I mean?

1:23:02 Speaker 2 It's interesting, 'cause a little bit that I've dabbled in S-S-Terashalom, it's very Tifer. Sometimes it sounds-- it's almost-

1:23:08 Speaker 3 Tifer, but, but it's, Lesheines in Terashalom are... Here, uh, l-look at, look at this lotion. "As ir zet mir," Rebbe Rashab said, "zet ir an atsmir. Ich hob genumen atsmir. Dos is weil ich bin a zun. Der zun vet bei mir keiner nit opnemin." Such Lesheines. Such Lesheines. The Rebbe Rashab was a chavrusa with the Yanko Motel Paltavor. Yanko Motel Paltavor was a chosid of Rebbe Maharash, but he was a chavrusa of the Rebbe Rashab. You can imagine.

1:23:52 Speaker 2 In the times of Rebbe Maharash?

1:23:53 Speaker 3 Yeah, and later also.

1:23:54 Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, yeah?

1:23:55 Speaker 3 Yeah.

1:23:55 Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

1:23:55 Speaker 3 So here, by this sicha over here, where the Rebbe talks, where the Rebbe Rashab says, "Ich bin a zun. Un der zun vet bei mir keiner nit opnemin, weil ich bin a atsmir." So the, the Rebbe Rashab said, "Ich hob shen a mol gezogt dem Yanko Motel Paltavor. Az ich mit mein zun vel ich nemen mer di kavone vid der ir mit eir haskale."

1:24:21 Speaker 2 "Mein zun," Rebbe Rashab was saying the fact that he's a son.

1:24:23 Speaker 3 That he's a son.

1:24:24 Speaker 2 Yeah. Not, not, not the-

1:24:25 Speaker 3 First of all, it's a nice compliment for Yanko Motel Paltavor. That means that it must, he must have been a real ma-- Well, first of all, chavrusa of Rebbe Rashab-

1:24:33 Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly

1:24:33 Speaker 3 ... obviously is a maybe become maskil. But the, the Rebbe Rashab is saying, as, uh, Yanko Motel is, uh, tak am, uh, maybe become maskil, aber ich bin a zun. Un a zun is, is beh einer. Such Lesheines, it's like-

1:24:48 Speaker 2 Right

1:24:48 Speaker 3 ... the, the, the Lesheines in Terashalom are something else.

1:24:51 Speaker 2 This is where you have the Maram-- the famous Maram, I think, where the Rebbe always goes back to about the, the Bechir, the Guf of the Yid. The Guf of the Yid is, is, is-

1:24:57 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah

1:24:57 Speaker 2 ... is atmost.

1:24:59 Speaker 3 Sort of, yeah.

1:24:59 Speaker 2 So it seems like it's a lot of atmostica expressions. Like, that would be the-

1:25:03 Speaker 3 Yeah

1:25:03 Speaker 2 ... the, uh... So, so it's interesting that you said that the Friediker Rebbe said that, that in th- in these, uh, parshuras, you could see vi leben via chassid. It's, uh, uh, I think it goes back to same, the Kodav. They're like-

1:25:13 Speaker 3 Well, listen, listen to where the Rebbe goes. He goes weiter. "Az bei mir ifran atsmir." The, the, this is as I said. Okay. "Ich bin nishaiach zu ken hagbo ve isnasus, nor the maises azoy: Der vos iz mir cheyshed, zol er liegen in shiel tachtis." Such Lesheines. Like, Terashalom, this. But, and we're talking about Chav Chesed, so there's a stam interessante maise, interessante maise in Terashalom, in Daf Hazan. And the Rebbe Rashab says this story. When he was born. Rebbe Rashab says-

1:25:51 Speaker 2 Rebbe Rashab says about when he was-

1:25:52 Speaker 3 About when he was born.

1:25:53 Speaker 2 Whatever, yeah.

1:25:54 Speaker 3 As, uh... It's here in Terashalom. Um, here. So it's a, a interesting story, a very interesting story. Rebbe Rashab says like this: When he was born, Chav Chesed, so obviously a week later, there's then the Bris, is mit, uh, tzu great, a great sesude. The bobeh, so it's the rebbetzin of the Tzemach Tzedek-

1:26:26 Speaker 2 Oh

1:26:26 Speaker 3 ... mit geeschachtin behemes and efes, and mit tzu and, and mit gearbet zeyer shver. The day before the Bris. Day before the Bris. Uh, he even goes into the protim here that, um, that the Dvorele, which was a sister of the Rebbe Maharash, came to help her mother, the rebbetzin of the Tzemach Tzedek, and shver gearbet a gantse nacht till late. So they went to sleep. The rebbetzin went to sleep, and Dvorele was sleeping in the same room with the rebbetzin of the Tzemach Tzedek. This is fascinating. In middle of the night, the night before the Bris, the Tzemach Tzedek calls in his shamash, Chaim Ber, and tells him, "Go tell the Rebbe Maharash, 'Az morgen nisht zaynen ken Bris.' Morgen nisht zaynen ken Bris. So Chaim Ber leaves the, the cheder hahachidus of, of, of, of the Tzemach Tzedek and goes through the room where the Rebbetzin and Devorah Leah were sleeping. That, that itself is interesting. Okay. He's passing by, and the Rebbetzin of the Tzemach Tzedek sees Chaim Ber going by. Says, "Wo, wo, wo geyste?" So Chaim Ber says, "Der Rebbe hat gezogt az, uh, tsu geyn tsu Rebbe Maharash un zogn az morgen nisht zaynen ken Bris." The, the, the Tzemach Tzedek's Rebbetzin was very, very sharp. Very, very sharp. I'll tell you a suna-- story I heard from my father. I, I don't know if it's gedruckt. I, I'll tell you now, and then we will go back to this. My father once told me, I don't know if

1:28:33 Speaker 3 it's printed anywhere, az, um, the Tzemach Tzedek's Rebbetzin one time comes to Tzemach Tzedek and says that the kinder, they, they, they're sitting, uh, battlin', they learn nisht. They're not, they learn nisht. You know, she had seven sons. So, uh, this I heard from my father is, uh, is, uh... So the Tzemach Tzedek goes, opens up the door where the sons were sitting. They're all sitting around the table. On, um, and he listens, "Un gedirt az eyneyn lernen. Eyneyn lernen." So he tells the Rebbetzin, "Tzu m'shaya da. It's okay. Don't worry about it." Uh, so the Rebbetzin tells the Tzemach Tzedek, "Az eyne di tata, eyne di kinder." She's, uh... But here, same story here. Listen to this. It's fascinating. The, the, the, the shamash, Chaim Ber, is passing by the room. So she, "Wo, wo geyste?" So he says that, "Der Rebbe hat gezogt tsu geyn tsu Rebbe Maharash un zogn az morgen nisht zaynen ken Bris." "Ah! Tzayt zikh ahem geholmt," says, um, the Tzemach Tzedek. Like, "Ya, I can't-- Don't, don't. Don't go. Don't go tell the..." He didn't go. He didn't go. He goes back. He goes back, and I think, uh, the Tzemach Tzedek asks him, "You know, did you go?" And he says, "No, I didn't go." Because the Rebbetzin gezogt. "Tzayt zikh ahem ge-" I don't know if he said to Tzemach Tzedek what she said. But, you know, "Okay." So he didn't say anything. He didn't say anything. Mit a medつtsui, great ha-bris, mit behames

1:30:15 Speaker 3 u'v'chal. Af morgen, came out to the Bris. The, the, the, the Tzemach Tzedek is the sandek. So uh, they bring the baby. The mohel comes. Ken nisht makhen Bris. Ken nisht makhen Bris. Yellow face. This, the Rebbe Rashab is saying this. Uh, uh, you go in, in Torah Sholom, page seventy-eight. Ken nisht makhen Bris. He's, uh, okay. Who is Bris? But the Tzemach Tzedek says, "Mis'ovni-- Mis'ovni mizol ho, ma, ha-sudah." They should make it a sudah. Okay. In any case, the Bris didn't happen. Az iv-- Az iv-- The Tzemach Tzedek had gezogt. And, uh, a while later, the, the Bris was, wasn't, wasn't, wasn't on time. The, the, the, the, the Rebbe Maharash was so tsu brochen that the Bris wasn't bizmanhu, that he, that he fainted.

1:31:12 Speaker 2 Mm.

1:31:16 Speaker 3 Yeah. Az a risch fun khotskhe, uh, and he fainted. And the Rabash, whatever. In any case, so lepeel, this Bris wasn't, uh, wasn't bizmanhu. It was later, and it was a bechashoi.

1:31:32 Speaker 2 Okay.

1:31:32 Speaker 3 The, uh, the, the Tzemach Tzedek said not to invite anybody, just one of the mari, at least. But there's the mari. And it was bechashoi, uh, in the Seder.

1:31:43 Speaker 2 Not even a minyan, right? Not even a minyan.

1:31:44 Speaker 3 Yeah, whatever.

1:31:45 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:31:45 Speaker 3 It was a mamish, uh, yeah. That's a maise, a maise from, uh, from Havrei Hashm.

1:31:51 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:31:52 Speaker 3 That's all, all in Torah Sholom. All in Torah Sholom.

1:31:55 Speaker 2 Yeah. It, it's the, the-- What you read is before from the, the, the Friddle Rebbe said that a parshiot is that-

1:32:01 Speaker 3 Yeah

1:32:01 Speaker 2 ... that they're, that it to- shows you how to leben mit-- leben vi a Hasid.

1:32:04 Speaker 3 Vi di lashon. Vi di lashon. It's a meir in di lashon. Et lashon ganu genug. Dorten zet men vi medaf leben vi a Hasid.

1:32:13 Speaker 2 Right. It goes back-

1:32:14 Speaker 3 If you wanna, if you want a manual, vi lebt men vi a Hasid, read a couple of shiur of Torah Sholom every day.

1:32:21 Speaker 2 Okay. It k- it kinda goes back to the same in the Kuda 'cause, like, on surface, you would think that it's, it's a scholar. And, uh, that's, that's the point, that, uh, the, the ch-- that scholar brings, brings tu avoida. Brings tu avoida.

1:32:36 Speaker 3 Yeah. I just wanna go back to Ayin Beis a minute. And this is a, a fascinating idea. We were talking before that every hemshich has a peak.

1:32:51 Speaker 2 Right.

1:32:53 Speaker 3 Let's mande polik, ask anyone. The peak of Ayin Beis is the hemshich. Th- th- there's hemshichim within a hemshich, obviously, right?

1:33:05 Speaker 2 Right.

1:33:07 Speaker 3 The peak of Ayin Beis is the hemshich of Pesach Ayin Heh. Pesach Ein Hey, dos kapo mamorim matzu va'yonon is the peak of the hemshoch mamorim. What, what's retzach dorten? What's retzach dorten? Dorten retzach, di alle, iseidas fun Choshech Hatzmayor. Ah, di gantze kavone fun Tzimtzum is bashvil hagilui. Veruch kol bosar hamashiach et kumen. Der bosar vet bleiben a bosar gashmi, ovet homerieh nelikus. Dir ve'tachteni. We, we, Samach vov endigs zach dir ve'tachteni, right? That's, that's the last couple of words, Samach vov. Here, it's, it's in the middle 'cause Ein Beis endigs zach nisht. Where, where is the whole dir ve'tachteni, which is basically the Chassidus, the Chassidus of the Rebbe?

1:34:01 Speaker 2 Right.

1:34:02 Speaker 3 What's Pesach Ein Hey? Pesach Ein Hey is the bar mitzvah of the Rebbe.

1:34:06 Speaker 2 Right.

1:34:06 Speaker 3 Pesach Ein Hey is the bar mitzvah of the Rebbe.

1:34:09 Speaker 2 Oh.

1:34:10 Speaker 3 And, and Reb Boruch Schneer says clearly in the Reshimas, he tells the Rebbe Rashab, "Az Rebbe Leibik lernt mit niezun." What, what, what's, what's lernt Rebbe Leibik mit niezun? Then, in, in, in the winter, summer, whatever, of Ein Hey. The memorim of the hemshoch of Ein Beis that arrived wherever they were in Yekatrinoslav or in, in... And those, those are the Rebbe gelert-

1:34:44 Speaker 2 Oh

1:34:45 Speaker 3 ... by the bar mitzvah. And this is, this is the, the yesod of the whole Chassidus of the Rebbe.

1:34:54 Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.

1:34:56 Speaker 3 It's Pesach Ein Hey. It's the peak of Ein Beis.

1:35:03 Speaker 2 Go, it goes back to the Malchus Malchus, uh, nekuda.

1:35:06 Speaker 3 Absolutely.

1:35:06 Speaker 2 Yeah.

1:35:07 Speaker 3 It's all the same nekuda. The Malchus Malchus Keser.

1:35:11 Speaker 2 Right. Wow. Yeah. This is, uh, this is what happens when you look in it, I guess. You, you, you see these, uh, you see these, um, the, you see the clarity of the niyyonim, how they, how they, uh, relate and how, how it applies.

1:35:30 Speaker 3 But this is... That you see clear.

1:35:32 Speaker 2 Right.

1:35:32 Speaker 3 The Rebbe's mamorim of Venocho Chofei and Bashalomei Shlomorim Chofei and all, with all these, the, the Chassidus diker mamorim of, of the Rebbe. This is a Muga diker, but also another one. They're all meuses on, on this mamorim.

1:35:43 Speaker 2 Right, it's 50 years from-

1:35:44 Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

1:35:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

1:35:45 Speaker 3 It's all meuses on this mamorim.

1:35:47 Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

1:35:50 Speaker 3 Okay, move on. The Rebbe takes it to the next level, and Malchus beMalchus.

1:36:00 Speaker 2 What does that mean?

1:36:03 Speaker 3 Learn that from learning the Halukah. You learn Halukah, you'll figure it out.

1:36:09 Speaker 2 How do you learn Halukah with the Rebbe Shasdamarim? It's a little bit tricky because it's like-

1:36:12 Speaker 3 Nah, Halukah is more tricky, but, but, but this, this mamorim, Halukah, Venocho Chofei-

1:36:16 Speaker 2 Sure

1:36:16 Speaker 3 ... Bashalomei Shlomorim Chofei, these, these are, these are all, uh, these are all Muga. These are all Muga.

1:36:21 Speaker 2 Right. No, I'm saying also in the nekuda of learning, it, it's, uh, uh, not just Halukah that's tricky. In a way, Halukah is tricky when you're also learning, uh, uh, Ein Beis Samach Vav because it's almost like the Rebbe's giving you the point. Like, you know, it's almost like, uh, it's a kaf hakelah a little bit. Like, here I'm trying to break open and, and see the whole big picture with all the pratim.

1:36:40 Speaker 3 You know, I, I don't know if I should say this because I don't know, but we were learning Ein Beis, and then we were learning a maimer. I don't remember what it was. One of the mamorim of the Rebbe meuses the Ein Beis, and we couldn't figure out what is the chidush of the Rebbe over... You won't believe it. One of the chevra went on AI and asked. It, it, it, well, it took a couple of questions 'cause they, they... But, but what is the chidush of the Rebbe or... And it gave a good answer.

1:37:15 Speaker 2 I believe with AI. I see, yeah.

1:37:17 Speaker 3 It's, it's-

1:37:18 Speaker 2 Is this recent?

1:37:19 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

1:37:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, the j- with the new Chabad AI? No.

1:37:21 Speaker 3 No, it was a while ago. Whatever.

1:37:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

1:37:23 Speaker 3 But that's-

1:37:24 Speaker 2 Yeah

1:37:24 Speaker 3 ... that's, that's mind-boggling. That's mind-boggling.

1:37:28 Speaker 2 And was it a d- the, uh, was the answer deep in the Oisios-

1:37:31 Speaker 3 No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah