Ep. 50: The Rebbe’s Farbrengens Were Our Life — And Are Accessible Today with Rabbi Zushe Greenberg

00:00 Speaker 1 The Rebbe walked with the Zohar, Ehrenskite and Gich. Everything is, everything is important, everything-- There's an urgency in the world, and you better be a part of it. We don't have time for nonsense. It's-- Nobody told a joke to the Rebbe, I'm sure even before the Nesius. Not because the Rebbe didn't want to hear a joke. There was no time. There was urgency. Every second was urgent.

00:22 Speaker 2 There is a special announcement and news regarding Kelo Menachem, Kelo Shaide Amaskirus, the Rebbe's Kelo. Stay tuned later on in the episode to learn more and hear all about it. I'm Yossi Kamin. Welcome to Among Chasidim by Der Her, an ongoing farbrengen about life as a Chasid, our vibrant connection with the Rebbe, and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. Shalom Aleichem, Rabbi Greenberg. How are you?

00:57 Speaker 1 Baruch Hashem, thank you for inviting me to speak here. I appreciate it very much, Rabbi Kamin, and I'm looking forward.

01:04 Speaker 2 I'm looking forward as well. Okay, let's get right into it. So we actually had, uh, in the past, another family member of yours on here. I don't think we discussed so much. Uh, recently, I've been asking before I get to the individual a little bit, little bit about the background of van Mekumt. So, uh, maybe you could tell me a little about your parents and your father, um, and the back- the background of that.

01:31 Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. My pleasure. My father, me, I mean, I was born in Russia. I was the youngest member of the family was born in, uh, former Soviet Union. And, uh, my pa-- my, my father k-- was born in Romania. When he was twelve years old, he, he and his family run away to Russia from World War II. It's all long story, but it's-- we're not going to it. And he, he arrived in Tashkent. In Tashkent, my grandfather was a sheikh in his, in his, in his city, looked for a home place where he can put his, uh, boys. He had two boys, twelve and, and, and, and ten or thirteen, whatever it was. And he found Chabad. That's how my grandfather found Chabad in Tashkent. And, um, and that's my, that's how my, my father and my uncle, Rebbe Yosef Greenberg, my father was Rebbe Moshe, and my uncle-- They-- That's how they got close to Chabad. I remember once I met, um, um, Rebbe Mendel Morozov, alav ha-shalom, and he, and he, he tells-- and, and I said shalom aleichem to him, and they-- I was a f-- I was through my wife. I was family with them. And he looks at his wife, he says, "You don't rem-- That's how it was like, like by him, it was like yesterday.

02:49 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

02:49 Speaker 1 Then, uh, and that's my, that's how my pa-- my father was cl- uh, got close to Chabad and he instilled to Chabad, and he, and he right away, he took, he, he took into it. He connected and he embodied it, and he won a Hasid. And then, then the nineteen forty-seven, he tried to run away from Russia. After the Shalom, I mean, the Shalom were closed, were canceled. They tried a different way, and it wasn't working.

03:15 Speaker 2 Why wasn't he able to be part of the Shaloms? It didn't work out?

03:18 Speaker 1 The Sha- The Sha- Yeah, the Shalom was sent, they sent families. The Bochurim, they left for, they left for the la-last. You know what I mean? They first sent out families with kids and babies. And by the time it came my father's turn, it was too late.

03:31 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

03:31 Speaker 1 They went with another way, and it got all in trouble, and he, he end up basically in jail. He got a twenty-five-year sentence to go to, uh, to for, um, harsh, for harsh labor in, in the Gulags in Siberia. And, uh, and after sixteen and a half years, he was released six years and three months. And in, in, in jail, my, my father decided when he was arrested that he is going to live as a Jew. In his mind, he said nobody survives twenty-five years in the Gulags. If he's not going to survive, at least he should live like a Jew.

04:10 Speaker 2 Hmm.

04:11 Speaker 1 Then he made a decision, then, uh, conf-- a strong decision that he will not, he mechallel Shabbos, and he will not eat treif. He will eat only kosher, and he will keep Shabbos no matter what. And it was a very, very-- It cost him a lot, this, this decision. And it's a lot of stories about it. I tell you in short, I mean, they, they-- For every day, if you didn't go out to work, it was a labor camp. If you didn't go out to work, then you got five days solitary confinement. Then Shabbos morning, he was taken to the solitary confinement He was sitting there for five days, Shabbos, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

05:02 Speaker 2 Every week.

05:03 Speaker 1 Thursday. Every week. Thursday came out again. He worked Thursday, Friday. Shabbos, again, you don't go out. You're back to the solitary confinement. Saturday confinement was a metal bed or something. It was a very cold walls. It was leaking. It was freezing. It's Siberia. You got the half amount of the bread that you get, you get in the regulars-- uh, when you're in regular cell, you get half of it in, in, in, in, in, in solitary confinement. This was going on almost for two years. He got so sick that they s-- they, they, they hospitalized him in a hospital in jail. He once told me that when he was in the solitary confinement, he was so skinny that he was able to see the food going down to his, his, uh, to, to his, uh, body.

05:50 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

05:50 Speaker 1 He was able to see what he eats. That's how skinny he was. And there was a doctor, a Jewish doctor who t-took other She decided she's going to save them. And she told them right home, they should send you certain type of shots And they gave him the shots, and he was very, very sick. But David Yoffen, he got out of it. And then-

06:15 Speaker 2 But be-because he was sick, they let him go?

06:18 Speaker 1 No, no, no, he didn't go anywhere.

06:20 Speaker 2 Oh, he got, he got out of his sickness, you're saying?

06:22 Speaker 1 Of the sickness. Yeah, yeah, of the sickness. And then he went back to jail. But then he came up the, the other prisoners or the, the gang leaders came up with a... Uh, uh, made a deal with the, with the prison guard, "You should let Moishe Greenberg not work on Shabbos. He will go out, he will make himself like he works, but he's not going to work." That my father is to go out to the workplace, labor place where they did whatever they did with electricity, it was. And he used to go from... It was a very, very big place. He used to go from one place to another, very fast, one side to the other. He should look like he's busy, he's running somewhere to do something, and he used to tell himself the whole time, "Shabbos, Shabbos, Shabbos." He should not forget the Shabbos because somebody will ask him, "Help me, Moishe, help me with this. Moise, help me with this." He should not forget it's Shabbos, and he used to go from side to side a whole day and p-people ask him, "Where are you going?" "Oh, this Mr., Mr. So-and-So asked me to do this, to bring him this from the other side of the camp, on the side of the labor place." And that's how he survived every, every, every Shabbos. But he never worked on Shabbos. Then the, the... As I understood then, the, the, the gang leaders appreciate my father of his honesty. Whenever there's a fight, he

07:40 Speaker 1 used to come to him to ask him, "Moishe, what do you say? Who is right?" And he used to tell them the truth, and he couldn't care less what would be the outcome. Even if they'll kill him, he has to say the truth and finished. And they appreciated. Therefore, they stood up for him, and they kind of helped him to survive with keeping Shabbos. That's with the Shabbos. With Kashrus was a similar thing. If you decide to keep kosher, you basically eat nothing because the soup they used to serve in, in jail, they used to throw bones inside. Obviously not kosher. Then the only thing he had was bread and water and pieces of sugar they used to get from home and things like this. They used to collect the pieces of sugar for Pesach. You didn't understand Pesach many years... They, in, in... Even they, they didn't... The match came too late. It was different stories how it... The bottom line is he was, uh, he wa-he was, he was not eating chametz. He was surviving on water and sugar, pieces of sugar. And, uh, and that's... And, and once my brother-in-law, Rabbi Avraham Wolf from Odessa, asked him, "Is there anything in life that you regret, that you..." You know what he told him? It was unbelievable. He told him, "You know, one time I got confused with the dates of Pesach, and I started Pesach a day early, and I finished it a day early." After Pesach was, uh, basic... And he

09:04 Speaker 1 said night when he, he ate chametz on this day. And when he said that, he had tears in his eyes.

09:09 Speaker 2 Wow.

09:09 Speaker 1 That's what he regretted in life. Then that's a good background to understand who was my father, from where he's coming, and what was his personality. Now, in my father's world, if, if, uh, that-that's what lay- if that's what the, the rabbi said, that's what David Yoffen says, then that's it. Then there is no discussion, there is no argument, there is no vote and no nothing. Nothing. The discussion about is over that second. And then later, when he came out from jail after six years and three, and three months, it's amazing to just to know that my fa-my father lived to be eight-eighty, eighty-six years and three months. Then it's like the, there is about, a lot about that how the rabbi, the David Yoffen doesn't take away from you years, he gives you years. Then these six, three, six years and three months, he lived, he lived longer.

09:56 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

09:57 Speaker 1 And that's how I feel. In any case, he-

09:59 Speaker 2 You say then he had another six years.

10:02 Speaker 1 Exactly. You know, there is a story about, uh, um, la-me-um, no, Nanes, Laser Nanes. He came to the rabbi when he was seventeen. The rabbi told him he should go there and there. And they saw the rabbi, "Rabbi, I'm tired. I want to relax. I was in jail for twenty years." The rabbi told him, "The twenty years that you c- that you, that you sit in jail is not count, I don't count. You live to be a hundred years old."

10:28 Speaker 2 Yeah.

10:29 Speaker 1 Then you see the reunion as the re- In any case, my father, after he came out from jail, he came to Moscow, and he met my mother. It was a whole other story. My grandfather, Chazan, was a, a even he wasn't a Lubavitcher. His kids, actually, most of his kids end up to be Lubavitchers, and even the, the grandchildren who, well, came from families who are not Lubavitchers, many of them became Lubavitchers. In, uh-

10:53 Speaker 2 So in the, the next generation.

10:55 Speaker 1 Yeah, the next generation. And they, and they got married there, my father and, and they... Obviously, if he didn't work in jail, you can imagine he didn't work when he was outside of jail. And he was very hard to find a job because he was a, he was a prisoner. He was already a criminal to begin with. And, uh, and but after he had si-six ch- After I was born, a few months later, they came out from Russia, and they came to Israel. And Tishrei the rabbi invited the, the Russian immigrants, the, the-

11:25 Speaker 2 A lot of, a lot of immigrants came out that year?

11:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, not a lot. It was... I think it was thirty people came to... Went, maybe even less. Came to the rab- Went to the rabbi . I'm sure it wasn't just people who came to . People came to , people-

11:39 Speaker 2 So the rabbi invited them. I think the rabbi paid for their trip, right?

11:42 Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. And the, and the rabbi wanted them to stay on the bimah the whole Tishrei. And therefore, there is a picture, interesting enough, from, from that my shver, Rabbi Levsker, alav ha-shalom, brings somebody to the rabbi, it's a picture from New York Times.

12:00 Speaker 2 Yeah.

12:01 Speaker 1 That on the other side, on the bimah, he stands on the other side from the, from the table, he comes to the rabbi. But the other side sits my-- Is my father there in the picture. They, they, then they didn't plan to be Vekhotonim, but it, uh, my father was there a whole Tisha. And you see him even on this picture, how his eyes are focused on the Rebbe, and my father came-- He was a Hasid before that. He actually, he actually turned over the whole my sh- my, my grandfather's family, Hazan family. He was the oldest son-in-law, my father, that he influenced his younger-- the, the boys, uh, my uncle, Chaim Hazan, who just passed away in, in Nachlas Habad, and my uncle, Itche Hazan in Rome. He's a Shliach in, in, in Rome, in Italy. And the, and the other brothers, uh, uh, Avremel and Yankel Hazan, the whole Shluchim and Hasidim, it all came from his influence that he turned around the house into Hasidim. And he was a big Kabbalah Saelnik, as you can imagine.

12:59 Speaker 2 One second. At that point, there wasn't like that the kids went to?

13:04 Speaker 1 No. They were, they were learning Gomorrah. They were going to-- They had to go to school. He couldn't-- There was no Chadorim in, uh, in, uh, Tov-- in the Tov-- in the Chofs.

13:11 Speaker 2 Right.

13:11 Speaker 1 He had to go to school. And for every Shabbos you didn't go to school was a whole nightmare. And my grandfather wrote a whole book how much-- how wa- how was this fight there, uh, to make sure that these kids ca- are not going to school in Hashem because they keep Shabbos.

13:26 Speaker 2 Yeah. I did an interview-

13:27 Speaker 1 Then, then-

13:27 Speaker 2 With, uh, Dovid Ollendort, so he described this, uh, this Takufah in Moscow.

13:31 Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. He, and he was a part of the same group of families. Yes. I think, yeah. And then, then finally, when the, when the Rebbi-- my, my father came to the Rebbi Tov Shel HaFres, he glued in if-- he, he, he g- he entered in all, all the way, completely. It was, it was like that's what his life was all about. A-and he connected-- The Hashgacha from Reb was all the way.

13:55 Speaker 2 So can you explain that to me a little bit? Because I met somebody once who told me, "I was in Liv-- I was in Yechidus." He says his, his parents are one of these families that came. The Rebbe paid for the trip. They came. He was in Yechidus. I don't know exactly what happened to the family afterwards, but your father, it seems he became a, a Mekusher Betzem from that, from that moment. So you wanna explain that a little bit?

14:18 Speaker 1 I mean, I think it comes from a-- Hashgacha from Reb comes from one place, from Bitul. When you are a emissary and only-- In, in Israel it's called They Yechide. My father was not a regular guy. You need to understand, when you are six and a half years in jail, Zachmeis HaNefesh every week for Shabbos, if you're ready to sit two years in, in solitary confinement, you're not the normal regular guy that you meet on the street. And in the end of the day, if you look in Yiddishkeit, everywhere for the story of Purim and Hanukkah, every story you touch, in the end, Ein Od Zachmeis HaNefesh given. From Nachshon Ben Aminadav, this today. Mesirus Nefesh is not a Madbei Eivah Lazecher. And whoever has it, they are filled Ruchniyus, and when he sees a Lakus, he clicks to it right away. And my father didn't need explanations, didn't need anything. He was right away. He, he was, he was-- Therefore, his whole life was a life of-- Hashgacha didn't matter to him. It didn't mean anything to him. The whole Ganzt Welt given a Dechagav. You, you-- If you-- What-whatever the Rebbe says, that's going to be done and finished. Nothing goes by ma-matter to him. Therefore, when he came to Bnei Brak, at that, that time, there was not anybody to do the Rebbe's, the Rebbe's work in Miftzoim, in this Achron. So the Chond gave Miftach Film, Tov Shel Chof Zayin. And my father was right away doing Miftach Film and hiring

15:43 Speaker 1 other people to put them up. You should do Miftach Film near and-- and paying them. He barely had anything, but he already found money to have other people to pay them for, to do Miftach Film. But that was his life. And our own, when I-- we grew up, it was only the Rebbe's Miftzoim and the Rebbe's Yoni. That was the only thing in, in the world. And whenever he know in, in the, in the community, Bnei Brak, not everybody was so Hasidish and so this, that my father had many time confronting people who didn't like his Hasidishkeit and his, uh-- 'Cause he tried to say, "If this is the Rebbe said, that's what's going to happen in shul and finished." And nobody could argue with him. And he used to tell him, "You, you crazy, you this, you this." They used to scream to him, "Go back to Russia." That's a, that's to this level that came. And my father laughed at them because from his point of view, if I wasn't impressed by the, by in, in the, in Siberia, by the, by this, by this Reshuim, whatever you're telling me is like it didn't mean anything. It was entertainment. He couldn't care less what they say.

16:41 Speaker 2 So you're saying that what the Rebbe explains in Achat Tzavah, that there were those that in Russia had a Mesirut Nefesh, but now don't or whatever is lacking, saying by th- by your father, the nogei v'lepage, he was still in Russia and-

16:53 Speaker 1 He was-

16:54 Speaker 2 Mesirut Nefesh

16:54 Speaker 1 ... this is, this is true. You know, it's when I-- Right after my father passed away, I was in Be'er Ya'akov and I took somebody, a Haim, a bocher to seven seventy. He tells me, "No, I was Friday night by Rebbe El after your father passed, the Shem Shabbos, and he started to talk about your father." I co- I couldn't believe that Rebbe Elkan was now, you know, talking to my abba. And he said something very interesting, he tells me. He says, "Many J- many Hasidim came from Russia. They were keeping grudges about the stories in Russia. They're given a doors, and you're not given a-- Cheshbonus." You know what I mean? They were carrying the grudges from Russia. He said, "Moishy Greenberg moved on. He was always happy, always-- He never looked back. He never cared about what happened. He moved on, and he was always..." That, that's really, it's a in-interesting observation that Rebbe El had about my father. But that was the personality, and he was-- And he-- Every year forever, he was, you know, in Demeltin, Tov Shel Amez, the Chond gave him an assist all the Shidduhim. The, the, the Rebbe's, um, uh-

17:49 Speaker 2 Hookups

17:50 Speaker 1 ... hookups from here, from, from America. Then who organized it in Israel, in Bnei Brak? My father. I remember from a very young age working with my father and my brothers and all the way to the, the shul. They used to do it in middle of the night. In Bnei Brak, there is no buses. You have to walk. And you walk-- We walked for probably fifty minutes or an hour- Three-thirty in the morning, the whole family is walking on the streets and going to hear the Farbrengen, and nobody wanted to miss it. The biggest punishment was, was if they didn't wake you up to come to go to the Farbre-- the Shul, the Farbrengen. And that was the whole life in my house. It was all about Rebbe. There was nothing mattered. There were-- First of all, there was nothing 'cause there was no money for anything. And, and, uh, but the only thing that matter is going to the Re-- going, going to the Rebbe. And he went a few times, um, to the Rebbe every few years or every two or three years, I don't know exactly. But from Toshna Medeh, my father went every Tishrei to the Rebbe.

18:47 Speaker 2 The whole Tishrei?

18:49 Speaker 1 Oh, the beginning he went from Yom Kippur and, uh, and later he started to be-- he became smarter, a little earlier, a little earlier, a little earlier. And, uh, then he went to Rosh Hashana. Later in years, he went for Rosh Hashana. And that was his life. And we-- For this, for this, the only thing he had money for is for this. He didn't have money for this either, but he went. And all I remember in, uh... Remember, he want us to come back, he used to give us a question. You know, we wait for presents. My father goes to America. Probably everybody asked us, "What did your father bought you?" So we just maybe a pen, a schm-- A gold niche. He didn't have any money. One year he came back, he went... It was, it was a Zecher B'galal. It was the middle of the year. I think it was either Alef Nisn or one of these thing, or Yom Kippur. Then he came back, he opens the suitcase. When we all waiting to get to see what he get back, he took out a bottle of mashke that he got from the Rebbe, and he gave everybody a L'Chaim. You understand? This is the home that we grew up. That was the only thing that was, uh, was existing and only thing was available. Our house was the, was, was the, the tzach from Bnei Brak. The, the-- That was my home. If, if we needed to, the, the Rebbe came out

19:56 Speaker 1 Miftza, um, Zocher. I remember from Chabad, they came up, they arrive with a big, uh, minivan full of pushkes, and they bringing in boxes of pushkes for the, for what the Rebbe said, Miftza Zocher. Our whole... The house was full with pushkes. Oh, it was Pesach, it was Matzoh. Every day was another thing. We used to go to sleep twelve o'clock at night bec-- kids because in the main room, people used to come in to my father. My father was giving out Tefillin and Mezuzahs. Check-- People wanted to check his Tefillin and Mezuzahs. They used to come to my house. And many people used to come in and, uh, uh, my father sent an- other yungerleit to go to check Mezuzahs in other people's houses. Then they had to come bring, bring it for to check this. They came, they came back from the... They going to houses. They visit a few houses. They check Mezuzahs. They take off the Mezuzahs. They bring it to my father. He should give it to his Sofer. We had a neighbor who was a Sofer. Then, then people walked into my house every night until eleven, twelve o'clock at night. It was not a private home. It was a public home. It was a, it was a shtuol for Rebbe. It was a-- It had nothing to do with us.

21:00 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. It was a house or an apartment?

21:04 Speaker 1 It was an apartment house. An apartment.

21:09 Speaker 2 Yeah. And he also started a cheder, no?

21:11 Speaker 1 He didn't start the cheder. The cheder was started by m- many years before, uh, years before my father. But my father was keeping the cheder going because it was a time that the cheder was very small. It was thirteen children in the whole cheder. And, like, three quarters of that was the Gimpel family. Then, uh, then that was-- That, that's why then my father was trying to keep it going. And Reb, Reb Yankel Katz was from the Andole from cheder, alav ha-shalom, told me, actually, by, by my father's, uh, shiva, he came, he told me that the Rebbe once told him in by-- on Yechida, the Rebbe told him, "Dos in mein nein meysed in Bnei Brak. Tut, tut alpos a kent on, ohn alt in de meysed, ohn alt in dem cheder."

21:51 Speaker 2 It's the only meysed.

21:51 Speaker 1 And my father was... Yeah, the only mei-- That's what the Rebbe said, "Einzi ken meysed in, einzi ken meysed in Bnei Brak." Then, then, um, what I meant to say is, uh, my father was raising money for the cheder in it, and the cheder was in the sh- in, in, in the Chabad shul in Bnei Brak. And obviously, kids make a mess and run, uh, run it. And most of the fam- most of the families from Chabad did not send their kids to the Chabad cheder. If I'm telling you it was thirteen children or fifteen children or seventeen children, you can imagine what was going on there. That they wanted to throw out the cheder from shul. And my father used to say, "The cheder will be here no matter what. You don't like to be the gabba, you can fire yourself." But the cheder remained on no matter. And it was every week was another story about ayin yin from Rebbe, the Miftza, Dos Ayenz. Every time was a st- was, was something felach in, in, in shul. There, there were the Miminim and Masmilim, and my father stood like a, like a pillar and unbendable, and nothing changed it. Nobody could change it. And he used to tell all these guys, "My best-- My, um, I wish you that your kids will be such Tzaddikim that they will teach you lessons." And that's actually what happened. All these kids of the parents who were many times fighting and this, the kids became Tzaddikim,

23:05 Speaker 1 and they went to Seven Seventy, and they became Shluchim. And my father used to have huge nachas from this, to see how they turned around and, and you hear from them, they-- My father was the, the Amud HaYemin bifne HaMachneh, though.

23:18 Speaker 2 See, 'cause Bnei Brak wasn't Chabad. It wasn't a Lubavitch enclave.

23:22 Speaker 1 It wasn't.

23:22 Speaker 2 It was the, you know-

23:22 Speaker 1 No, it wasn't at all. It wasn't at all. Not even close.

23:26 Speaker 2 So e-even those that-- Chabad families that were there might have been, you know, under the influence of some oth- some other Nyonom in Bnei Brak.

23:33 Speaker 1 The inf- the influence from Bnei Brak is very strong. You have to be made-- M- You have to be living in a different world not to be influenced by that.

23:42 Speaker 2 Right. Okay. So he, uh, he came every year, and he, he brought the kids with him. S- Now, uh-

23:52 Speaker 1 Yes

23:52 Speaker 2 ... then how-

23:53 Speaker 1 My, my father started from Tosh Amedvov. He discovered then you could take a child who is younger than twelve years old, the tefa ticket at that time it was. Then he first want to take, well, he took yo-- uh, my brother, Yoske, the Shlia, the famous Shlia in Alaska. He took him Tosh Amedvov because my brother, Yisroel, was already older, and he was not tefa ticket. And he took, he said, "I'll take Yoske." And, uh, uh, he went, he took, he went with him to the Rebbe. And Yoske was also a born Chossid from day one, as you know, or you should know. And, uh-

24:27 Speaker 2 Everyone knows. Everyone knows.

24:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Then, uh, he came, he came back in the same Tishrei, was the first Tishrei that Levi Yitzchak Freidin came back with a, with a video, with a movie of the Rebbe from, from the, from Tishrei by the Rebbe. And it was without sound. But you saw mit a moleh Lebediker Rebbe. Until then in Eretz Yisrael, there was two pictures from the Rebbe, black and white, Chof, from the Chof years, from the Chofs, and that's it. Nobody kn-know nothing about the Rebbe.

24:56 Speaker 2 I mean, you heard, you heard the chassids, so that was-

24:57 Speaker 1 You heard the chassids. Yeah, but the chassids were a lot, but how many people went to the chassids? That's number one. But then you see a Lebediker tzaddik in kolels, the Rebbe Gay, the Rebbe Shtey, the Rebbe Red, the Rebbe Shmechel. It was a different world. The, this video, Levi Yitzchak Freidin brought the Rebbe to Eretz Yisrael single-handedly. And he, he too, he made a maapeha, and that's why the Rebbe to Mazin, he can't have given. It was, it was much more than just, "Oh, he comes and he takes, and he takes a video from, from the Rebbe." It was everything in Artsol. And that was Lamed Vov. And then Lamed Zayin, my brother, Yisroelik was fifteen years old, went to America because he was, uh, we, we didn't see the Rebbe, and he's already fifteen. That he went one way ticket. He went there, and my father, he, he stayed in the Oletaya from the age of fifteen. He was in Seven Seventy forever until he got married. He went to El Paso. And, um, Lamed Hess, my father took me. I was eleven years old, and he took me to, to New York. It was a difference of two years for me and, and my brother, Yoske. And I... By me, when we, when I went with my father, I went for Sukkos because for, uh, Yimkipper, Erev Yimkipper, Yoske was born Erev Yimkipper, my brother, and the Bar Mitzvah was Erev Yimkipper that he couldn't go for Yimkipper. Then, uh, it was

26:18 Speaker 1 a shtiklmanir vehicle for me . When I went, and I went for Sukkos, we went for Sukkos, and I remember we arrived in, uh, Yud Giml Kit, Tisha, Middenfabringen. I walked into Seven Seventy, and the place is full, and I stood from far, and somebody tells me, "Look there. That's where the Rebbe is." I was eleven years old. And right after the Sicha, my brother, Yisroeli, came down from the bleachers, from the Meyerov side, and he schlepped me up there, and I was saw from there better and everything. And that was the, my first introduction to the Rebbe. But we came close to the end of the Fabringen, and it was, the Fabringen was over, and my fa- my brother, right away, he schlepped me upstairs. Yisroeli schlepped me upstairs to see where the Rebbe walks into his room. The Rebbe-- We made it to the room before the Rebbe made it to the room, and, uh, and I saw the, the Rebbe, then I saw the Rebbe leaving. And that was... And I remember the next day, Erev Sukkos, uh, I remember when the Rebbe came out to, to make the lulav. The Rebbe used to go out from, from, uh, from Seven Seventy to the Sukkah and, and, uh, tie the, uh, popil the whole lulav in Esleg. And the Rebbe did it himself, the Daled minim. And I remember standing there, it was raining. We were, we were a po- a few people. My brother, Naftali, was standing with me and a

27:37 Speaker 1 few other Bochum, and the Rebbe Zarin saw Ongim Gissen. It was raining and raining, and the Rebbe was standing in the Sukkah for a long time. And the Bochum was standing outside of the Seven Seventy also. They're waiting for the Rebbe. The Rebbe stays, is in the rain, they are standing in the rain. I was standing with them in the rain until the Rebbe came back in. And, uh, then what I remember, the Mincha for Erev Sukkos with the Rebbe Zarin, the Chulo. And the Sukkos was a Zera Freileche Sukkos in Seven Seventy. Before every Da- the, uh, the every, every time from Mincha, Sha- Meshach, Meshach is Rebbe didn't go, uh, yeah, Eicha, Eicha is Shaches. It was Chalamed. Every time the Rebbe Zarin, the Rebbe put down the sidder, turned around and started to patch with the ant and encourage everybody, and, and it was sinking before every Davening and af- and after every Davening. Mamish Yeder Tog. And I remember one time the Rebbe Zarin to Maariv, and in middle, it was somebody who took pictures, Chalamed. And the Rebbe turned white, and he looked on the, on this Bocher: "Os glel Tanya ait." It was silent in Seven Seventy. You know, you cannot imagine what kind of a silent. In one second, it was... The place was under, and the Rebbe was, the Rebbe was white, I'm telling you. And I was pretty close. I, it was such a shock, the whole thing. And somebody says, uh, uh, somebody said for

29:11 Speaker 1 him, "Is Tom Epe?" Somebody said something is for him. I don't remember who it was. And the Rebbe said, "Vos is besser, learning Tanya or the naming pictures Chalamed? Epe says, "Al Loshen Givendot."

29:25 Speaker 3 It was so unusual for people to take pictures standing correct-

29:29 Speaker 1 In Tosha Lamed Hess, obviously.

29:30 Speaker 3 They were... Yes, no, Lamed Hess-

29:31 Speaker 1 Later, it was more the Rebbe Gishignov dem Chulo, but maybe Freidy was allowed to take pictures 'cause it's Parnosa for him. But the Rebbe didn't stand that Chalamed people should do it. There is, there is a Sicha between them later in the years, and a Chof Ches-

29:45 Speaker 3 You're saying it's hard taking, it's hard taking pictures because Chalamed is a issue?

29:48 Speaker 1 It's not Chalamed. It's a Chalamed, not because they take pictures. The Rebbe, because it's a Yini from a Loche. That's why the Rebbe was saying that.

29:54 Speaker 3 You're printing, whatever, yeah.

29:56 Speaker 1 Yeah. Then, uh, then the... So it's, it's considered probably a Belohe. It's not a, it's a Belohe She'Netzricha from the Rebbe's point of view. Then, uh, it's not a, it's not a must. But I remember that night after Davening, the Rebbe picked up the Sipper, Sidder and walked out. He didn't, he didn't encourage the singing, nothing.

30:16 Speaker 3 Hmm.

30:16 Speaker 1 And it was like, I remember that vividly. It like soak. I remember it like it was happened five minutes ago. It was... But Michlal, the Rebbe was also, I remember, uh, there is also on video, the Rebbe, Rebbe Memot, uh, Gefen Deon Kadesh, by Anoa Noavdo. The Rebbe Mot Gita- the Rebbe Gisingen, and the Rebbe made it the end, and it was... The Rebbe-- Mamish, the story was unbelievable. I remember I think-

30:40 Speaker 3 And the Rebbe Talis is, uh, is-

30:41 Speaker 1 Rebbe Talis, and I remember also, I think Shabbos Chalamed or Yom Tov, it was Mincha. I think it was mostly Shabbos Chalamed, not Gefen Deon Kadesh, and the Rebbe Ot- uh, the, by Anoa Noavdo, the Rebbe Shtal Gimach be the end, and the Elom was dancing and singing. It was, it was unbelievable. The whole Chalamed was a Simche Sheleilafi Harogel, even Shpeter Yo- Shpeter De Ki Yo. This year was very special.

31:03 Speaker 3 It was unusual that, that whole, the whole Sukkos-

31:05 Speaker 1 Very unusual. The whole, those Sukkos was very unusual. And then came Shemini Atzeres I was saying, no, they put the kids in the hes, under, under the table. I was also under the table there. And I remember the first hakafah very short, maybe two, three times, and the Rebbe went back to his place, and after a, a few hakafahs, I heard this time, "See a balagan. Alec, Dafen gein arois, arois, arois, arois." And it was such a behale in seven seventy you cannot even imagine. Nobody knows what is happening. Everybody screams, you know, from, from the bimah of the Rebbe. People make with the hand, "Arois, arois, arois." And everybody, "The Rebbe daf luft, the Rebbe daf luft." And everybody's screaming and yelling, and people are stepped over, and people falling on the floor. I remember one guy was with a sefer Torah on the floor. The sefer Torah is on him, but he's laying on the floor, and the sefer Torah is on him, and it was impossible to pick him up and to, to help him stand up even. And they, they... And the bochurim broke the-- What? They, they told the ezras noshim to go out, and they broke the windows of the ezras noshim because the Rebbe, the Rebbe daf luft. The Rebbe needs air. It was unbelievable chaos was in seven seventy. A level you cannot even imagine. And I was out. I didn't go out with my father. I, I don't think my father found me when I, when

32:24 Speaker 1 he walked out. I just, I just walked out. The whole crowd was pushed out. And I heard, uh, I heard... I remember outside, somebody standing and describing that the Rebbe looks white, and he saw the Rebbe, or the Rebbe sit down on the chair, and he's very white and this. But you can imagine the schmooze and people talking and running and, And then I was standing outside for a long time to see every... Nobody. And I remember the atzolah, they took out a bed, a stretcher from the, from the ambulance. And they made right away a announcement on the, on the microphone, on the speaker that it's not for the Rebbe because the ganz raylom went crazy.

33:05 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

33:05 Speaker 1 They got a stretcher, the Rebbe, the Re... That they, they... And the, the star of the, the whole, the show, the whole thing was going on. We made the announcement. I remember it was Leibel Bistritzky. He was atzolah. He was everything.

33:17 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

33:17 Speaker 1 And, uh, and then the, the first night, I remember going, um, home late, late, late at night. I remember the Rebbe came out to the sukkah, and he came back from the sukkah, and they said, they said that the Rebbe in college with the Amizol tantsen, and the Raylom tong gim tantsen no chamol. Nobody knew what's going on. A heart attack. Nobody knew. I mean, now everybody knows everything. But the Shas Maase, very few people knew what's going on. I'm sure the maskirim know the people were close to the Rebbe, but the ganz raylom, the balagan, where they schmooze and the... It was... But the fear, the... Everybody was very concerned, and people standing and crying. It was gefarlach. Then I remember the next day, you davening seven seventy, but the Rebbe is nisht ото. I remember mitten davening, is, uh, um... Yeah, it was, uh, Shemini Atzeret day, I think. Uh, came, ca-um, came up, uh, uh, he, uh, he made an announcement. I think it was Shemini Atzeret day of the I cannot tell you for sure. Leibel Bistritzky, as the Rebbe, as the Rebbe got halalia from Maftir, the Rebbe gives Maftir, and it's like... And, and it was every good news, every piece of something that they came down, and they said it was everybody was uplifted. By the way, that was the problem in Tov Shin Bet. People thought it's a g- it's, it's a second Lamet Hes, and they didn't realize the difference between a heart attack and a

34:42 Speaker 1 stroke. I just said-

34:44 Speaker 3 You're saying the raylom didn't realize-

34:45 Speaker 1 The raylom was... Yeah, the raylom was like they wanted news because in Lamet Hes it was news. Every few hours was news. Rebbe's a little better. The doctor came. The Rebbe already did this. The Rebbe did this. Even small things, but you know, you hear something. Here there's no news. It's the same situation. But, um, and it was... And I remember we went to, and we went to Mesamire saying in shul. Everybody was asking, "What's mach the Rebbe?"

35:12 Speaker 3 Halucha.

35:13 Speaker 1 In Taf HaTalucha, yeah. And everybody was talking about that. In yeder shul, the, the sincerity and the prayers of people out in the davening, people said, "What's the Rebbe's kapitel?" And they want to say in the Mishabeiach, and the, the gantz velt even ibber gikert. Everybody wanted to, to know w-what's mach the Rebbe, how's the Rebbe, uh, feels. And, uh, I remember the, the second night when he came to hakafos, then when was what the Rebbe gives hochta, "Ze bir mir zol tantsen. Azoy zain besimche." The Rebbe told the, the doctor that this music, it's, it's the best music for him. It makes him, uh, makes him happy or makes him healthy. Yiddish was "" But basically, the message was the Rebbe, "Bir mir zol tantsen." I remember the bochurim seven seventy. I was standing on the, one of the bleachers, and I saw the bochurim seven seventy. They tantsen uven in a gantz tzeit. Zingen uven in a gantz tzeit. And, uh, and the, the... Then was the, the song, "The Rebbe zal zain gezunt. Vet opnik gezunt. The Rebbe is gezunt." A gantzhe nacht opnik tantsen the Rebbe is gezunt. I remember going with my father to, for to eat, uh, five o'clock in the morning, sudar shondef in, uh, in the farband. That was, uh, Knoses Sochim at that time. But all night was hakafos in seven seventy, and the same thing the sec-the second day was, uh, Modiel Nayas. And then I remember the farbrengen was Motzei Simchas Torah. That was

36:31 Speaker 1 our farbrengen. The Rebbe's chair is empty. Breaks you out. It's like kills you. And they, and the old everybody, they sit in their place, they sing, and then Rebbe say, "Mem, Mem, Mem iz a doktor pov veter, and yener doktor." Nothing. Finally, I don't remember who came down with the Kesher Bocher. I, I think it was Leibel Groner, I think. And he said that the Rebbe gives Kesher Rebbe gim a tavdole. The Rebbe gives Kesher Bocher, and the Rebbe said that after Kesher Bocher, he should ma-gim make an announcement. You can imagine the Kesher Bocher was given out in five minute. I don't even remember how much time it took. It was like- Everybody want to hear what the Rebbe says. And the moment the Rebbe said, you see it in the video too, but I remember that so clear. The moment the Rebbe-- they, they said the Rebbe gives Zogn a sicha, seven seventy went Chodesh Hom as the Rebbe ex-used the expression. The dancing and the f- the Simcha, it was unbelievable. Even the Gichtanof untanz. What's so Kush from Gitanst? The people were going crazy. The Rebbe make it on a sicha.

37:36 Speaker 3 You know, there's a video. You could see you in the video, this, this moment you're describing.

37:40 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I remember it so clear. And-

37:42 Speaker 3 But I think, I, I think even you were clapping.

37:46 Speaker 1 It was the whole place was clapping. And, uh, and then I remember the sicha. I understand Yiddish for Mom. I hear the Rebbe, and I hear the Rebbe crying in the sicha. You hear the Rebbe is getting choked up because the, the Rebbe was basically missing the siliv. And he said that, and the Rebbe spoke for thirty-five minute, but this time, you, you could hear the Rebbe talking. And it's not like, "Well, Siener zogt, resembling Rebbe, the traitor zogt, and the Rebbe gives after." You hear the Rebbe. That changed the whole atmosphere in seven seventy. And I remember right after the, they, they closed up outside the whole sidewalk. Nobody should even stand outside. It should be quiet for the Rebbe. And, and then the Reb... It was, it was a picture of this in the Argument Journal. The Rebbe saw the picture. The Rebbe said we should take off everything. Half of seven seventy was closed up. There shouldn't be noise. Seven seventy downstairs, a half of this-

38:44 Speaker 3 The, the back end, the back end?

38:45 Speaker 1 No, the back end was closed up with tables. Nobody could go in. Forget about upstairs, nobody could go in. Then even half of... Then the Rebbe said, "We should have opened all the Sachen." And the Rebbe, the Rebbe says, "We learn with the Midrashim learn, and they feel I'm in Midav, and they feel I'm in Zing, the Alt." The Rebbe took every-- In one minute, everything disappeared. Now, be first, you, if you stood on the other side of the, of the table, outside, you were, you had connections because, uh, you, you, because nobody was allowed to stand. And everything the Rebbe... And, and, and, and I remember the Rebbe said, "As a vil zen, the Orchim far was the Fohnavek." That after-

39:23 Speaker 3 Right. Usually, there's Yichid this with the Orchim.

39:25 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Top Shenlam Etches was still Yichid this, and I was expecting to have a Yichid this, but we did not have a Yichid this. But instead of the Yichid this, the Rebbe said he wants to see every Dorchim, that they had a table. The Rebbe was sitting by the door. Literally, the table was the size of the door. And behind the Rebbe was a curtain. Actually, it wasn't even a curtain. I think it was a, a white something that cl-closes up the room. And the Rebbe was sitting by the door with his Hatuk and everything, and everybody passed by. You know, it was a line, but you could hear what the Rebbe speaks, so it was a little space between one person to the other. And, um, what you could hear, after all, you were able to... I remember before us passed by, uh, Zushi Velimovski, and the Rebbe talked to him about the Shiurim. You make sure that Rebbe... He, he used to be organizing the Shiurim for Dorchim, Shiure Tere for Dorchim. The Rebbe told him to make sure that even when he leaves this week, the Shiurim should continue. Something like this. I don't remember exactly, but something like this. But then when we, we, we, we came to the Rebbe, the Rebbe-- my father gave his pan. The Rebbe-- Everybody had already pan. The Rebbe, the Rebbe took the pan, and he spoke to my father. I don't remember what he said. Then I gave my pan, and the Rebbe

40:36 Speaker 1 gave me a dollar, and he told me, "Zo zein a Hasid of Shamayim and Alam." And the Rebbe was sitting, and I was standing. It was like the Rebbe looked me straight in the eyes. It was very... And, uh, but the Rebbe spoke to everyone. And again-

40:48 Speaker 3 Every, every person ever saw.

40:49 Speaker 1 Every... That means when somebody goes, leaves seven seventy, goes to Israel, he saw the Rebbe after the, after the heart attack. Now, they don't get hurt, nor the Rebbe get hurt or become dis-reason.

40:59 Speaker 3 So no one else, no one else did. Those who were in seven seventy didn't see the Rebbe.

41:03 Speaker 1 You're right. The, they, at that time, then no-nobody else did, no. You're right. I never thought about that.

41:09 Speaker 3 So it's interesting that what, what you're describing happened after Chavai Nadir. The Rebbe-- People walked by the Rebbe, and the Rebbe's sitting exactly the way you're describing, with a, a, a table.

41:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, but then what-- You're right, you're right. But it was on a different level because the Rebbe was able to speak and to pick up and to give you and to take. It was an underworld.

41:29 Speaker 3 Yeah.

41:29 Speaker 1 When you saw the Rebbe sitting by the table, he looked completely healthy. You understand?

41:33 Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

41:34 Speaker 1 He spoke clear. I heard the Rebbe's vorte clear and loud. It was not like... We could even hear what the Rebbe said to, to people before us. It was, it w- it was, uh... Then you go back home, it's a different world. That was my first experience. I mean, the first time when I was by the Rebbe in seven seventy.

41:53 Speaker 3 Okay, so you're eleven years old. So, um, so meanwhile, you start going to Yeshivas, I imagine, in, in Israel.

42:03 Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, then when I was thirteen, I went to Yeshiva in, in Lud and then Ikfa Chabad. Yeah.

42:09 Speaker 3 So w- you came to the Rebbe from when-

42:12 Speaker 1 The next time-

42:13 Speaker 3 Yeah.

42:13 Speaker 1 The next time I came to the Rebbe was Toshim and Dalet. I came for Tishrei. I was seventeen years old. I came to-- I, I came for Tishrei, and that was a whole different experience. That was, um, uh, Bocher. I was seventeen years old. I came for the whole Tishrei. I came from, uh, before, from Sliphaz, Biznoch, Biznoch, Chavez, Varechis. It was a whole different world. And, uh, and then it was-- Then I really got to know what the, my-- What, what, what I was lucky that I had two older brothers in seven seventy at that time. Yisroel, as I mentioned before, he was a, he's a, he's an Opasso in, in Yosker. And these two had places, and so they knew, they knew seven seventy. They knew where to stand, especially my brother, Yisroelick. He made sure that they should have a place for everything, that they had a place for different Branget, and I stood next to him. Then it came to, to the Davening from Vov Tishrei. He told me, "Come here. Stand right here. Don't move. Don't let anybody push you." Then it was for, uh, for, for Tiers, I had a place next, also next to him. Wherever I went, I was covered. I didn't-- I wasn't like I didn't know where to go and where to stand And every time I get an explanation before was gate sign, was the Rebbe button, with the Rebbe stain, the woman of cooking, everything. Then it was all different experience for me

43:25 Speaker 1 as a bocher. And, uh, I remember Tkias, you know, the first time you had Tkias from the Rebbe, it was an unbelievable experience there. Where after Tkias, you were not only squeezed physically from Tkias because the, the shtupping, the shtuppera and everything, you were in a different world. With the Rebbe, the, the Rebbe, the Rebbe was a different person in Tkias. The Rebbe gezogte lamnatze, he used to throw the tallis over his face and, uh, over, of the, over the panim and everything. And then when he finished, he picked up the tallis. The Rebbe was so serious, and every nu it was so mit. You see on the face every nu that he made, it was like when he moved the, the, the shamefress, you thought it, it, it looked like it w- it weighs a hundred pounds. That's how serious every move that the Rebbe made was so strong and so clear and, and, and when you, and you, you see such things, see, do, do, do... See, i-it engraves this in your, in your soul a little lakus, a little as the Rebbe of the world, and that's it. Then there is nothing else on earth. And, and every time that Tkias... And you know, when you get used to it, after five years, after six years, then you... We better forget. But every time, if you see by everyone, if you-- I'm sure you interviewed enough people, the first time that people come and see the Rebbe in a such a way,

44:51 Speaker 1 it, that you, it puts you in a different place. It picks you up and puts you in a different world. It's like, um, I remember there is a Steinsaltz in his book, when he came the first time from the Rebbe, he used to tell people, "You saw the Rebbe?" He said it was almost like a club of people who saw the Rebbe, who understand what you're talking about. If you didn't see it, then you're talking to the walls. You don't understand. We can't, we can't say shmaz bozei. You saw the Rebbe? You know what I'm talking about. It's a different, it's a different zach. Now, that Tkias, then it was Yom Kippur with the marsh. The, the Rebbe used to go on the, up on the steps. The Rebbe used to, uh, frey weinen um macher mit the end. It was, it was unbelievable. We were living it, being in seven seventy. The moment the Rebbe walked into seven seventy, you were in a different place. Suddenly, all the nuances, all the shtusim didn't matter. All the fights of your, over your place were before the Rebbe, far before the Rebbe's ayin. The Rebbe came in, that's it. The Rebbe is there. Everybody's focused about the Rebbe. The Rebbe walked in, in the room, and he elevated the room. The Rebbe's walk told you that everything else doesn't matter. The Rebbe walked it as a ernstkeit and gich. Everything is, everything is important. Everything-- There's an urgency in the world, and you better be a

46:13 Speaker 1 part of it. We don't have time for nonsense. It's-- Nobody told a joke to the Rebbe, I'm sure even before the nesius. Not because the Rebbe didn't want to hear a joke. It, it, it... Or a, or anything. There was no time. There was urgency. Every second was urgent. You have something to tell me? Please. But the ganz thing, shtelf, the whole world changed for you. The whole pri-- All the priorities changed in, in one minute. That's why people, they walked into the Rebbe and Yechidas. When they walked out, the Rebbe told them there is a story of a guy in E-in Cleveland. He sold his house, a doctor. He sold everything. He's making Aliyah to Israel. He goes to the Rebbe for Yechidas, and the Rebbe told him he didn't go back to Cleveland. He went back to Cleveland. He was not a Lubavitcher, but he heard about the Rebbe. He went, he decided to have a Yechidas on the way to Israel, to have a Yechidas to the Rebbe. He sold his home. He sold everything. He went back because when you've shlem, before the Rebbe, he must give us a sdor, a lakus, and you're, you want to be a part of the program. I remember when we was a, a Rusie Sherid, Dr. Koblanov in Bnei Brak in our shul, and he came from seven seventy, and they told he came the first time. I think he went Lamed He, Lamed Vo-- No, maybe Lamed Zay, Lamed... I don't remember when

47:31 Speaker 1 it was. He came back, he told me, "You think he's talking every time in shul anybody came from the Rebbe?" Told ourselves, "Well, tell us what, what was the gezent?" Need to understand in yene yom was echad meir is geforn zum Rebbe. Now, geforn zum Rebbe was a, a musag, an idea, zeh im Moshiach yet kumen. Geforn zum Rebbe. Ain't zi gezey ob gezendem Rebbe. Most of the people in the Chabad Shulem Bnei Brak never saw the Rebbe when I was a kid. Never. Then, um, he came back, and he told... It's a, it's an amazing story that's, that's worth it to tell. He tell-- He says he was-- When he came to the Rebbe, he told before Yechidas, he will tell the Rebbe about these Lubavitchers, the Askonim. They promised me this, and they promised me this, and they never delivered. And they-- And I was, they-- I was so disappointed with them. I'm going to tell the Rebbe where are these people in, in Israel. They're good for nothing, you know this. He told the story in public. I'll never forget it. And then he says the door opened, and he walked in, and the Rebbe gave him such a smile that he said-- In this minute, he thought to himself, "I'm going to talk to the father against his children?" And his whole coverage, his whole everything that he planned to tell the Rebbe disappeared in one second. And what then is the... And he said the Rebbe told him, "Do you

48:50 Speaker 1 have a picture from your family?" And he had a picture. He took out a picture. The Rebbe looked at the picture. The Rebbe said-- He saw his mother, his... The Rebbe said, "I emmesem Neveler Chassidishe tochter." She came from Nevel. I thought I remember today how he said it. The Rebbe, and the Rebbe told him, "Can you leave the picture by me?" He came a different person. What really happened there? Is that HaKadosh Baruch Hu daladamas from Rebbe? Rebbe took over game, and all the things didn't matter. I remember he called me out, go walking out from a fabrengen from the Rebbe. The Rebbe would hear that Moshiach, and I used to walk out outside and say to myself, "If we were the world and look at the big world, how is the world going to... Men, how are we going to conquer the world?" Because you come out from seven seventy, you like, you landed down from the moon. You go out to the world, you go to Manhattan, you look at the big buildings, you think about the tall buildings. We've been duch nem in the world. How is this going to happen? But that was the feeling when you come to seven seventy, you send the Rebbe daladamas. You get every minute this feeling. It's up to you.

49:57 Speaker 3 Okay. So you gave the whole Teyre out of Galachas right now.

50:02 Speaker 1 It's one of the teyres. But in, in, in, that's, that's really what... And I remember after Tkias, we l-- I looked at, at other friends who came with me together. We looked at each other. We couldn't talk For massages. We couldn't talk. It's like we couldn't say anything. That's how dark, that's how... This was with, with the, well, the Numen, the Ganze, the, the Kias, the, the Psukim, and the Ganze, the Ganze Anogi from Rebbe, then the Rebbe goes back and he turns around. The whole thing, but especially with the Rebbe state of the Bime. And you see how it's like everything is out for him and everything is like... The face, the, the, the connection of the, of upon him, the wrinkles of the Rebbe's face from... You see at the Lepti Ber. Kias is not a Bl-Blas Kias, a Lepti Ber. It's not a... You come, you blow the Shaver and we get right there. It was a whole Levenish, the whole Kias. And the same thing is about everything here. By the Rebbe was nothing, just Giton. He had the Zahosa Giton, his Gimem Em Es Lamite with, with the Ganze Neshama. And the same thing between, between Kimper and the same thing between everything with the, with the Hakofes, the Hogered. And by Hakofes, I used to stand. My fa-- W- my father used to have a place by the Shvil, nor Simchas Torah. Rebbe used to, well, they used to make a Shvil from, uh, metal, uh, tables, iron tables

51:30 Speaker 1 from both sides, and made a Ches that the Rebbe will give them to, to shtup them. And I used to stand by the Shvil for a good few years at Hakofes. And I remember, you know, people used to tell the Rebbe, "Tell Levni Bar Yo."

51:43 Speaker 3 On the way back.

51:44 Speaker 1 On the way there, on the way back, people said in both ways. And, um, and the Rebbe used to say, "Gamatem." But I saw when Bochim told the Rebbe, "Tell Levni Bar Yo," the Rebbe didn't answer. At least what I saw. So that's just for a Boch. I never dared to tell to Rebbe anything. I never talked to the Rebbe, ever. Ever. I was six years and seven years old, I never said one word to the Rebbe.

52:07 Speaker 3 No-n-never by dollars, nothing?

52:10 Speaker 1 I didn't... I told Label to say something. I never talked to the Rebbe. And Label, because you tell Label, you know, sometimes he says that they really want it because he was so busy with a million people on, on his head. But I, I never spoke to the Rebbe, no.

52:20 Speaker 3 How did it work by dollars on the... As you're coming, you tell Label near to, to say-

52:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, you tell, you tell, yeah, you tell Label, "For Schlitas, or Chaim Voleves sign," or something like this, you know. One, one F a sentence. Sometimes he catches the whole sentence, sometimes he doesn't. But yeah. Then, uh, what I remember that by Hakofes, I remember one, and then the Rebbe didn't answer to Bochum. That's what I saw. What I saw the Rebbe, you know, when the Rebbe passes by, by, by, by, by the Shvil, you literally, your face and the Rebbe's face is like this, very close because you stand... The, the, the table was ve- a narrow table, and you stand, you're bent into the table because everybody pushes, and you're very, very close to the Rebbe. But, uh, there was, was a few interesting stories there, but for another time. But it, it was... The, the, the go- even the going to and, and coming back, it was later from Lamd Ches, I had a, another place where I saw the Rebbe's Hakofes very nice. Some years I was, um-

53:15 Speaker 3 From, from, from Lamd Ches?

53:16 Speaker 1 From Mem Ches, I mean.

53:17 Speaker 3 Mem Ches.

53:17 Speaker 1 From Mem Ches. But that was Mem Daled, and after Tishrei I went back, and then I came back Mem Heit again for Tishrei, and it was the whole Tishrei, then it was already... I already knew what's going on. In Tosh Mem Bav I came to Kvutza, um, between... With the old, with the old class from Kvachabat.

53:35 Speaker 3 So you, you were 20 years old?

53:36 Speaker 1 I was 19.

53:38 Speaker 3 Nineteen.

53:38 Speaker 1 I came when I was 19. And it's interesting you say 20 years old. Mendel Footofas used to say by the Forbringers, "As until, until if you are young, going to the Rebbe before 20, Atkin Gates of Taten. Noch Tfantzik, a-after 20, it's a, it's a Soldi Ke Bo-Bocher goes to the Lubavitcher Rebbe." That he used to say by the Forbringers. He used to say, "You have to go when you are young. If not, it's already you're coming, you're already a Meus, you're already, you're already... It's not you."

54:08 Speaker 3 You're saying Kvutza is 19 or 20?

54:10 Speaker 1 No, no, depends. W- I came, I came to Yeshiv early, that I came when I was 19. All the work-

54:14 Speaker 3 So there were people, there were people that came at 20 and they're, they're not going on?

54:18 Speaker 1 Twenty and 21, yeah. But they, b-by the time most of the Bochum went earlier to S- for Tishreis, that they knew what's going on. It wasn't like they... There were no newcomers almost to coming from, at the age of 20.

54:29 Speaker 3 Right.

54:29 Speaker 1 But, uh, yeah, I came when I was 19, and, uh, then I came to stay. That was another world. I mean, it's, it's a different-

54:38 Speaker 3 What do you mean?

54:38 Speaker 1 When you, you're there, you're there every, every, every day and every Shabbos, and you learn, and you daven, you be with 770. And I came to Oshime Vov, it was through the time of the court case, before the court case. After the Swar- the Swarmi, the discover, the... After the Sichas from, from, uh, Shu- and you base Tammuz and Shivos of the Tammuz and Tes Vov Tammuz, and the Ganzen Shturem. Then yous were able to see it on the Rebbe. Now, you think, you think a Sersem Heichuva, you think the Rebbe met with the, with the lawyers in Ganene Atachten or the between, or between Kibber and Sukes. I'm not good in the dates completely. I'm not arguing with the Yomanim. Anybody who has a Yomanik, it would be happen by a Grais, it caught me by a mistake. I am saying in advance that if I made a mistake, Ititolo Meshugosi. It's my mistake. It's, I'm not going to compete with anything, and I'm not cl-claiming to know everything exactly. I say what I remember, I make mistakes. Then, um, the Rebbe, the meeting with the lawyers, I remember over two hours, everybody was standing outside. I remember they came out, and it was, you see, and, uh, uh, Rabbi Vremoshovtov came out, and Yudl Kinsky, and you saw that there is something very serious going on. And you, you didn't have to go there, you had to see on the Rebbe's face. By the, by the Kias and by everything, you saw that

55:50 Speaker 1 the Rebbe Lepti Ber constantly. There is an, an anxiety on the Rebbe. And as it-

55:57 Speaker 3 That whole Kofe, that whole Kofe you saw, yeah.

55:58 Speaker 1 The whole Kofe. And as it got closer to the court- I remember the second time the Rebbe met with the lawyers was right after Tisha, if I remember correct, in the library. The second time it wasn't in Gan Eden HaTachnun, it was in the library. And for some reason, I was outside when the Rebbe... I walked on the other side of Eastern Parkway, not with the, not in front of Seven seventy, the other side. I was walking, and I saw the Rebbe coming out from the library after the meeting and going back to his office, Seven seventy. And the Rebbe walked by himself. It was dark. It was getting dark. Like, not completely dark, but you can see the Rebbe. I saw the Rebbe clear walking out by himself. Nobody walked with him.

56:38 Speaker 3 That's very, that's very unusual. Tov Shin Bet, yeah.

56:40 Speaker 1 Tov Shin Bet, the Rebbe, and, and it was like nobody was outside. It was middle of Seder. Why I was outside, I don't know. But it was... I was there. And, uh, it's not like I waited for the Rebbe, the Rebbe should go out. I had no idea when the Rebbe will go. I just went there. And the Rebbe walked out, and he went to Seven seventy. Basically, Yudl and, and Avremel didn't go after the Rebbe. The Rebbe walked by himself. Leibel was not to, not there. And the Rebbe walked all the way to Seven seventy by himself. Nobody was there. It was... And the place was pretty empty. Nobody, almo- maybe a few other people saw in corners, but... And it was-- And so I saw the Rebbe walk slowly, zeh hav tatacht. But many times the Rebbe walked like this at night, like. But you saw every day that the Rebbe-

57:22 Speaker 3 What do you mean many times the Rebbe walk like that?

57:24 Speaker 1 When the Rebbe walked, let's say Shabbos, and the Rebbe walked, uh, to the library or from the library or cheder, when he walked, the Rebbe didn't go fast. The Rebbe used to go relaxed and a little of tatacht. I mean, thinking, like in thoughts, in thoughts, lost in thoughts, if you want. And then-

57:42 Speaker 3 As, as opposed to when the Rebbe came downstairs was, was quick.

57:45 Speaker 1 Well, yeah, he was to walking fast. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're actually reminding me something interesting. I don't have to go by order, right? It's not-

57:54 Speaker 3 Yeah

57:54 Speaker 1 ... jump around.

57:54 Speaker 3 I'll, I'll help cut.

57:57 Speaker 1 Erev Rosh Hashanah Tov Shin Nun, for some reason, I don't know why, what, when, I ended up by the Ohel. Usually, it's the Gol Miftach. Erev Rosh Hashanah Tov Shin, Tov Shin Nun we went to the Ohel. We went to the Ohel with a few, maybe a few... I don't know, remember where, why.

58:11 Speaker 3 It's an unusual thing to go to the Ohel Erev Rosh Hashanah?

58:14 Speaker 1 At that time, and that... I mean, many people went Erev Rosh Hashanah Ohel, but many didn't, or you went earlier or late or... So I was to Gol Miftach. I mean, it was the Rebbe born of Neale, but I'm sure many, many people went to the Ohel because the Rebbe said we should go to the Ohel on Erev Rosh Hashanah. I'm not... I'm telling you, I remember this year, maybe even before also to the Ohel, I don't remember. I was there when the Rebbe arrived to the Ohel. The only time I was there when the Rebbe arrived to the Ohel. Obviously, I was outside. The Rebbe came out from the car, and the Rebbe went to the Ohel. He was so bent, bended, like angebroken, and he walked slowly, and he pulled, he pulled his... He took one etup of the side of the other in the coat, and he was walking. He looked like he doesn't feel good. You know, I thought something happened. And I wo- wondering, what, what, what, the Rebbe doesn't feel good? Some- what's going on? And the Rebbe walked in, and I went back to Seven seventy. And the whole day, I was wondering, wha- what, what's, what's going on? Was the Rebbe doesn't feel... What is going on? And I couldn't wait until I saw the Rebbe walking in leil Rosh Hashanah Tov Shin Nun in Seven seventy. Seven seventy was packed. You couldn't put a needle inside. The Rosh Hashanah. The Rebbe is aheim, and the Rebbe

59:34 Speaker 1 walked like a melech. He walked straight and quick. As they gained some Rebbe, as they gained in one way. When he went, when he walked in Seven seventy, it was a, it was a different story altogether. And I was like, there was such a striking difference from the morning, from two o'clock in the afternoon to seven o'clock, to six, seven o'clock, probably. I don't remember exactly. Then, and then I, I, I was very happy. The Rebbe is gezunt, and I came, and stood zach. With the gantz, with the gantz, with the gantz in shturem. But it was... That time I... Well, yeah, the Rebbe used to walk into Seven seventy, walking fast, usually.

1:00:11 Speaker 3 I'm hear- I'm hearing from people that, you know, the Rebbe had an underpinning. The Rebbe, the Rebbe looked different, different times, drastically. Chala-

1:00:25 Speaker 1 Yeah

1:00:25 Speaker 3 ... Friday night, the, the, the weekday, the Rosh Hashanah, the-

1:00:29 Speaker 1 This is very true. And one story I can tell you where I saw it. It was Tov Shin Bet, Tov Shin Bet, the Rebbe, as I told you, the Rebbe went a lot to the Ohel. And he, and he, and, and because he went a lot to the Ohel, he was, he's gone, he, he got, he got bent more and more. Poshut b'gashmiyus. He fasted and he's sitting by the Ohel. And you see it, you saw on the Rebbe's face, you saw the Rebbe is very serious. No question about it. And it was in, we watching irete, the, the, where people were, the, everybody know already when it's going to be the court case in Mogezok Tehillim, and it was, and it, it was a very stressful time in Seven seventy because if the Rebbe is stressful, everybody is stressful. The whole, the mood in Seven seventy was dependent on one person. The Rebbe, the Mogezok Beechides says, "Avrum ir is good, is mir good." But the way we were, everybody in Seven seventy, if the Rebbe is schmeichel, the gantz world schmeichel. And the Rebbe is serious, everybody is serious. The whole mood was dependent on one person. If the Rebbe got upset about something, everything was... It ruined everything. If the Rebbe was happy about something, a baserach hasor for him, everybody was happy. And, uh, and be- then, uh, I remember it was then came Kinus Hashluchim.

1:01:50 Speaker 3 In九.

1:01:50 Speaker 1 At that time, it involved Kinus Hashluchim involved was only for American shluchim. I think it was around a hundred shluchim. I think this was the year that Chabadkov, Americans took from everyone a hundred dollars And the Rebbe told Chabad Chassidus as a minor guest, and he should take only three more high, $36. Since then became the thing that you take a kind of shluchim only $36. Then, um, what I remember the first night when the shluchim came, I think it was Thursday night or Wednesday night, I don't remember. I mean, the Rebbe walked into my rib, and then I remember saying according then the sinks and the cancer room is sunken. The Rebbe came out to my rib. He had a face of Simchat Torah. He was a different person. And I remember them from Ogile, what is shlichus for the Rebbe? What are the shluchim doing to the Rebbe? It was therapy. It was everything for the Rebbe. The Rebbe, the Rebbe saw the shluchim, and he was a different person. And the Rebbe told... I remember the Rebbe told, uh, Rabbi Krinsky to tell the shluchim the story, wh-what's to tell me the court case. That's the first time we heard the full story. Remember my schwager, Rabbi Levitt, Yoss Levitt from, from Austin, Texas. He was a shliach already. And he came down from, from, from upstairs there. It was upstairs, the m- the, the kinnus there. And he gave us a chazzorik what's going on. Don't... What Rabbi, what Rabbi Kiski

1:03:15 Speaker 1 said. And he said that Rabbi Kiski finished to talk about it. He b- he burst into tears. He start crying. He was so stressed repeating what hap- what is happening. From this, you can imagine what was going on. How the Rebbe took it seriously. I heard many years later, you heard about, uh, Yosef Chananover. He was a siebie shtak mekur tzmem. He was a lawyer, he was a from the Israeli government, and the Rebbe, he had, he had a lot of, he had a lot of Yechidus from the Rebbe, that he told somebody that interviewed him. He told them that the Rebbe called them tov shim evov to talk about the court case. And this guy told me, he told them in Hebrew, "HaRebbe hayah meod modag." Rebbe was very worried. Then he said, "It's not fair to say meod modag. Wa'ya meod, meod modag." Then he goes, "Meod, meod, meod modag." And this guy never said anything about the Rebbe. Like, he didn't give out secrets. But from his conversation, what he's told this young German who interviewed him, and he told him how the Rebbe was worried, you can imagine what was going on. There is stories that the Rebbe was in the, in the car with Yudel for forty-five minutes Motzei Shabbos and talking to him with the end and those. Then there are things that he saw. The Shabbos, I think it was, uh, it was Kislev before the case, and, uh, and it was a, it was, um, Rashag put

1:04:38 Speaker 1 a bottle of mashke for... That was the dinner of Teicht Mimim. And he came over to the Rebbe, and he started to tell the Rebbe he couldn't hear, but he told the Rebbe that he, he wants not to give eides, something like this, not to give testimony.

1:04:51 Speaker 3 You were there then, or this is a story?

1:04:52 Speaker 1 I was there, I was there, I was there. And the Rebbe told him, "Shine." He couldn't hear anything, but you see how the Rebbe talks in the face. And by the Rebbe, it's a little bit of keer chayn sof. He gets more upset and more upset and more upset and more... It's not... Usually, you get upset, you get tired, you get-- you, you relax. The Rebbe got more and more and more, and the raydom is thinking because they didn't want to hear what the Rebbe tells Chad-- uh, tells Rashag. But you saw from this incident that this, this is negein etzem hanefesh. And that affected everybody in seven-seventy. But these few days of the Kinus Hashluchim was like the Rebbe was back in Simchat Torah, back in hype. He was a different person. That's what Ogile, what is shlichus? What needs to go on? How important is it to go on shlichus? Because if you want to be the guy who makes the Rebbe this naches, he can take him out from the Sforim mood, from the court mood into a Simchat Torah mood, that's what shluchim did to the Rebbe.

1:05:52 Speaker 3 And that's something you didn't know before. You weren't exposed to that.

1:05:55 Speaker 1 No, I, it, uh, I, I was going-- I would go on shlichus. I mean, I wanted to go on shlichus no matter what. But to s- to see it firsthand was me shlichut, was me shlichus to him. How much it affects him physically, personally. Then, uh, that was K- K- Kinus Hashluchim. But, uh, and then, then was after that, I remember Kislev. I don't remember when in Kislev, but was-- I don't, I don't know if there is Yomas or not. I remember one, one that we used to be, we, uh, in Kvutza, you learn Chei v'Tehilla. We used to learn Chei v'Tehilla. We used to go, whenever the Rebbe used to go on the air, we used to come back from-- we used to come back before Shkiah to wait for the Rebbe coming.

1:06:33 Speaker 3 To seven-seventy.

1:06:34 Speaker 1 To seven-seventy. We used to come back to seven-seventy to wait for the Rebbe coming from there. We're waiting-

1:06:38 Speaker 3 You're saying because usually you could have a Mincha with the Rebbe.

1:06:41 Speaker 1 Every time we'd have a Mincha, yeah, we'd have a Mincha, Shacharit, Minchah. I mean, Shacharit, Monday and Thursday was only Shacharit, uh, Chei v'Tehilla. And Mincha, Maariv, we used to have Mincha with the Rebbe, obviously. Then with the Rebbe used to go to the air. There is no Mincha normal. Then you wait until the Rebbe wa- comes back from the air. Usually, the Rebbe used to come back from the air half hour Shon Shkiah, something like that, that you know more or less when to leave Chei v'Tehilla. We were machmirim b'mitzvot also. We left a little earlier to make sure to be machanachees, to be in seven-seventy. Then we, we went to seven-seventy, and we're waiting. We were waiting and waiting. Three hours after the Shkiah, the Rebbe came. If I remember correct, now maybe that's what I heard then with Bishas Maisens, that they installed lights by the air. That's what I remember them ultimate gezogt. And the Rebbe, there is lights, right?

1:07:36 Speaker 3 There was a Chid-- That's Kofar, they installed-

1:07:38 Speaker 1 That was a Chidush, I think. There was never light, I think it's in by the air, and they installed light by the air. Then there is lights. It's the Hocher Rebbe with Hashem, right? They can use more time. The Rebbe used to read until he could read, until it was too dark. That's my explanation, my commentary. Maybe there is other stories that I don't know. And the, and the Rebbe stood another-- The Rebbe came three hours late from the air. You can imagine it was, I think it was nine-thirty he came from the air, something like this. Very late he came from the air, then what we could have Mincha-Maariv. That the whole life was around the Rebbe From the beginning, from the morning to night, I was every day in 770, every day. So the Rebbe every day. Baruch Hashem for the zechus. And, uh, go ahead.

1:08:22 Speaker 4 Could you tell me a little bit... So just, uh, I'm interested about the Sfarim. So then, so then the court case started. You went to, to court?

1:08:30 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Then the co-the co- first before the court case, it was GMar Kislev. We were standing in the free. Six o'clock in the morning was in 770, full packed with, with people to say the Gan Zeh because they knew that's the day that the Rebbe is supposed to give testimony. The, the stress was unbelievable in 770. And then when they came and they said that the, the, the Rebbe davened and gave, gave nedos. Rebbe doesn't have to give testimony. Until later, you heard that was a deal, but Pshat Meise, you-- The one good thing, the Rebbe doesn't have to go to court. It was a huge simcha. It was a Simcha Shehamkalel. But in the whole night of my farbrengen 770 upstairs, and the main star of the farbrengen was Rabbi Avraham Shemtov, uh, Rabbi Shemtov. And he, he was-- And I remember he used to say, "See, do a Zelchez Zachon Sodat Zein was the giluy from Rebbe in the Gan Ze Meise from the court case." Rebbe said, "Zecher Nikion Nechinat Zein."

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1:10:53 Speaker 1 But it was Zeir HaGishmake farbrengen upstairs in 770. All night, it was a really an unbelievable farbrengen. And, uh, and that was it. And then the court case started half Kislev, I think, if that's Kislev. And since then, the Rebbe went every day to Doyle. Every day. Now, what means the Rebbe goes to Doyle? He doesn't eat the same day. He goes to the Mikveh, and he-- and then he goes to Doyle, and he comes back at night, basically. Especially in the winter, he comes back at night. A day after a day after a day. And you saw it, Begash Me Sofen Rebbe, what is he said? And, and, and, and the face, I remember Chanukah, the Rebbe used to come. Usually, when, when he used to light the Menorah, three fifteen after Mincha. Mincha was three fifteen. After Mincha was the lighting of the, of the Menorah and the singing the-- where everybody's singing Hanerah Salalu, the Rebbe dreis a Chassidus, and he turns around, and he looks at the Menorah. But then if, if the Rebbe goes to Doyle every day, that the Rebbe comes from Doyle late, then the Daven-- then it was we Daven Mincha and Ma'ariv, and, and the, and the, the Menorah lighting, the Menor- lighting was af-after the Menorah, after, after Ma'ariv. And I remember used to stand very close, see the Rebbe turning around. At that time, there was no Bimeh, if I remember. There was no Bimeh in, by Chanukah. The Re- Rebbe stand on the

1:12:15 Speaker 1 floor, and he looked at the Menorah. He was standing very close. The Rebbe's eyes were full with tears when the Rebbe used to look at the Menorah. You saw the Agmas Nefesh. It was unbelievable was the Rebbe at Igeret.

1:12:28 Speaker 4 You think that, specifically that year?

1:12:30 Speaker 1 That year. And everybody at Igeret lived it through with the Rebbe together because when you see the Rebbe, you are-- you-- That's what you, you see it every day. Again, the Rebbe get no Chamotz meal, and no Chamotz meal. I remember one day, they were ready the Rebbe should go to Doyle. The car was ready. The Rebbe went in Mikveh. The car was ready. The Rebbe was about to leave to, leave to Doyle. Rebbe gonna go, goes in. The Rebbe get up in the middle. Now, 770 upstairs, the Rebbe used to come, he used to clean up the, the table there. He used to put on the table like a little stand there, or they used to move the stand. I know, I think it was still the little stand that they used to put on the table like a stand there, and the Rebbe used to... It was a mess. 770 upstairs was not ready. He had to clean up all the Sforim and organize the everything that the Rebbe should be able to daven there. And everything was done in five minute. And later, right after, a few minutes later, Pingout, I see a Kumen a Duch von Reb Mula Zimov, alav ha-shalom, from Pa-Paris, he went a farbrengen with a Chlotas Teves. And the Rebbe said, the Rebbe said, "Daven Nishvon of Ner." Now, you-- I remember then thinking about that. Since then, I think about it a lot. It tells us how much, how much the Rebbe, how much the Rebbe

1:13:43 Speaker 1 is dependent on the Avodah of Chassidim. As we can with, with a, with a farbrengen of a Chlotas Teves, can Ein Shliach save the Rebbe a trip to Doyle. It tells us how much more we could do, we, we, we were supposed to do in the Cholov, Cholov. But you know, but before you don't know that, but after it, it was a shock in 770. When the Rebbe used to go every day to Doyle, and when the Rebbe-- Because of the court case, Rabbi Kinsky used to see, being in court, and, uh, Rabbi Klein used to take the Rebbe to Doyle. And the Maskirim, when the Rebbe went to Doyle, the Rebbe doesn't eat, they didn't eat. Then I remember to see Rabbi, Rabbi Klein back from Doyle, used to-- day after day fasting and driving the Rebbe in the car. Now you need to understand, you drive the Rebbe in the car, you can imagine the Chassidus. What does it mean to take the Rebbe in the car? And it's raining, it's winter, it's dark, and you drive fast. He used to look at him, it looked like he's finished after, when he went home. The Rebbe went right after Ma'ariv. The Rebbe used to come, Daven Mincha, Ma'ariv after Doyle and go straight home. That was, office was closed, and it was a huge Iber Lemonish. Now, the court case, officially, Dovid Raskin announced, Rabbi Raskin announced that "Bachin Pokutze, Zol Nishgeyn in court. The Iniyans Zol Sitzen Lon Atei." That officially we're

1:15:13 Speaker 1 not allowed to go. But I went a few times. But when they went, they didn't understand one word. Not one syllable I understood. Nothing. Gornisht. That they were sitting there, the place was packed, hot, and you're not allowed to talk because you want to make a good impression of the, over the judge. Then other thing is it's like soldiers. Nobody moved the wrong way. 'Cause Chabad Shalom, Mazi- Chabad Shalom to do something wrong for the court, even a little, the littlest impression. But I was there one time when, um, when it was... If I remember correct, I, I was there when the, when, when the court, when the judge listened, watched the rebbe son's, uh, um, testimony. Deposition. Depo- Yeah, deposition. And, uh, and for... But again, Bashas Mai said, but I, I knew. Somebody told me that he's watching. I knew right away that that's what happened now. Oh, I remember when, uh- You were able to see it? No. No, it was e- they, they, it faced the, the judge. Nobody was able to see it. And, uh, and, uh, I remember when, uh, when it, it was, uh, um, um, a few... I, I was a few things that better not to talk about them happening, happened that day in the court. I was there two, three times I was there, but I wasn't there a lot 'cause first of all, I was not allowed to go. Number two, I didn't know how to go. I didn't speak English. I didn't know

1:16:35 Speaker 1 anything. Then, uh, that's what I heard every night. Used to be a Chazzan in everything that happened in court. One of the people used to make Chazzan was, uh, the... Today, K-Rabbi Lazar used to come, used to be-- He spoke English. I remember he used to give Chazzan to Rabbi Elkan, and he used to stand there and listen, listen to the Chazzan. Okay. And it was a Chaz-- Literally every day was a Chazzan. And Friday, the rebbe, the rebbe didn't go to the Friday. He instead used to go to day on Sunday. Even there was no court on Sunday, the rebbe used to go Sunday instead of Friday. Then the whole time of the court case was- The rebbe didn't go to El on Friday? No, the rebbe didn't go. That, that's- These, these three weeks, the rebbe didn't... It was Sunday instead of Friday. You know- Interesting. You know, 99.9. Maybe I made a mistake, but 99.9 I remember that. And, uh, and the farbrengens, by the farbrengens from the Wochen what secured the court case. So throughout these three farbrengens, if I remember correct, the rebbe spoke about the Rashi when, uh, Roch-- When Dino. Rashi says, "Keimo kebito." Three weeks, the rebbe spoke about keimo kebito, and it was clear what the rebbe is talking about. And things like this, you hear the, or the Ramal, the rebbe would get, uh, when Lovan as, uh, "Nichsef nichsafto lebeis ovicho olamo ganafte," he said, "Leko." That the rebbe, "Odegeshegeton." "Lovan otni ya'ot ot

1:18:03 Speaker 1 yankev otibergelept." And you hear it in the voice as a Leptiva. The rebbe-- Every time when the rebbe spoke by farbrengen, by Sichas, basically, the rebbe spoke in a certain way about himself. In general, you think? In general. A lot, there is a lot of Sichas so directed to a specific person, directed to this. And many times the rebbe said, "Yeah, he had to ignite them when Shpriter dafred megin vilder vilder zogn as his main should from the earthly only to Azel cheshenas." The rebbe, you heard in the farbrengens the stress of the, of the whole, of the, of the court case. Ramal, the rebbe had the famous Sicha of, uh, of, um, Ya-Yankev, Parshas Shmois, I think it was. The rebbe spoke about, um, when, when Yankev, uh, Yankev apologized or to spoke to Yosef why he didn't bury Rochel in the, in Meorot HaMachpela. That then the Loshen, the rebbe quoted the Rashi, "Yesh beli polai." That the rebbe resolved, "Yesh beli polai." That's what the rebbe said a few times. I forgot maybe. Beli. "Yesh beli polai." That anybody who was in tune or he heard the rebbe speaking, it was more than the Rashi. It was more than, uh, Yankev-- "Lovan otishga ot yankev otibergelept." The rebbe said it with such pain. So, "Os yer di miblevenish kaider." Or the, the rebbe would give a Ferisher Mizok mirror zone, "Yivzon ish fastin." Or me, me, me Dafzog, the rebbe gave me Dafzog Miton in Simche. It was very stressful time. And

1:19:37 Speaker 1 the, and the, the Mevov was... You need to understand, because it was such hard times, then the iskasher was even stronger. You see, when I look today at the farbrengens from the Lameds, the videos, Yibzeim Mekane. "Das is Poshed Ganeden." The farbrengens from the Lameds are Poshed Ganeden. The rebbe is in full strength, "On sifreilach," and the rebbe had Sichas, and the rebbe Kochzech. The kochte the rebbe has, it's unbelievable. I look at a farbrengen from the Lameds, I'm, I'm on a high for three days. It's unbelievable. It's Ganeden. And Chabad is growing, you see more shluchim, and dignitaries coming to the rebbe, and since Lamed Vov, and so on. Yet the talk is another, and you look at the Purim farbrengens and the regal for you, the Daf Yomi, Shnas HaShivim. It's Ganeden, Poshed Ganeden. There is no other word for it. The mem's world, if mem Vov from Mevov was a different world. And, but because it was such a Ganeden, it was too good. You took it for granted. It was great. The-- Once a Reeng, it was every time, yeah, you said Tlim, and you d-- And you, and you-- Whatever you did, you felt guilty that you're not good enough because the rebbe, you look with a Mesad Zayner learn, a Mesad Zayner in Daf, Mesad Zayner. And you waited for good news and remember- And, and then later, I remember coming Men's Zion, opening Men's Zion, I was-- I had to come after 770 for a few weeks. ""

1:21:11 Speaker 1 were arguing with me, "Very "" we told them for sure the Rebbe is going to win the case." 770 was the Rebbe. The Rebbe will win the court case a hundred percent. It was a thousand percent, not a hundred percent. And people in Israel, "What do you mean, Rabbi? Do you want to tell me the Friediker Rebbe didn't have private things? He didn't have his own... His film is not his. It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's... That's not him on the table. How are you going to convince the, the judge that it's not?" In 770, it's given clo-- like the tog. It was like there's im- that for sure we're going to win the case. It's just a question. We're waiting for the date, for, for, for the news. The Then in 770, we're all living in a different atmosphere, in a different world. And later, when the court case was over, things relaxed about a little bit, about a little bit. Then came Was it the fus? The Rebbe came out. I remember the Rebbe came out one day from 770, one night, going, stopping before he goes down the three steps down. He went out in front of 770. The Rebbe opens the bag. He looks for something. He closes the bag. You know, the Rebbe used to go out every night, every time, every night just to take a bag with mail, with work to the, to the home. He goes out. He goes up, goes down to the... Gets in

1:22:33 Speaker 1 the car, and then Yudl Grinsky runs to take, to pick up... Runs back to the room. Rebbe told him something. And Yudl Grinsky go- walks out with the, with the glasses. The Rebbe forgot his glasses in the, in the, in, in the house, in the, in the office. Mm-hmm. In the The Rebbe goes home. That was Wednesday. No, that was Tuesday night. Wednesday night, if I remember correct, the Rebbe came out and he went, and he almost fell. You saw it? I wasn't... No, I, I, I was right behind him. I could... I, I saw, I saw like, oh, the minute later... No, a second later. I wasn't in front of the Rebbe. I was behind the Rebbe. So the Rebbe was walking up the stairs, the front of 770? No, no, he walked out of 770. Oh, it was on the way out? It was Ma'ariv. The Rebbe walked out of 770. Go, going home. The Rebbe was going home. He was going out from 770, and he... And somebody, it was, uh, I know who it is. I forgot his name. He, he took the Rebbe, and the, and the Rebbe fell. The Rebbe actually fell on the, on the railing from, from the side. It was after- The walkway ... the first three steps. Yeah. It was after the first three steps going out on 770, he fell. And the Rebbe gave a strong look at the bochur who, who touched him. And the Rebbe went down like nothing happened, went, went

1:23:49 Speaker 1 into the car. But later, when the Rebbe came back Thursday morning, the Rebbe came... Rebbe barely walked. And you think is nish gut. And nobody was standing outside. The Rebbe shouldn't have to rush because people are standing outside. Everybody was hiding. And the pe- the few bochurim who were standing were hiding behind the stones. When to see maybe, to see the Rebbe, the Rebbe went very slow. But the Rebbe, it was Thursday, and the Rebbe was going to Deiel. It was probably Chof Zayin order, maybe Erev Rosh Chodesh. I don't remember. The Rebbe was going to Deiel that Thursday. The Rebbe went to the mikveh. And I remember, uh, to hear that when he came back from the mikveh, it was a little better because the hot water maybe did it. The, the pain maybe a little less. And then the Rebbe is informed of Deiel, and he came back to Deiel, was bad, and it was gefella. And they tried to do this, and they put the tables here and tables there. And Friday, when the Rebbe came home, if I remember correct, maybe, maybe I mixed up one day, but I think, I think this is... But, uh, but again, I make another disclaimer. If it's, if I'm wrong, don't send me... Nobody should send me emails. I, I, I know, but I don't mind to be wrong. It's okay. I, I never came to say the time I remember everything. Then, uh, the Re- Fri-Friday night was the, the climax. The Rebbe

1:25:07 Speaker 1 came down to 770, and the Rebbe's-- and everybody's singing with the Rebbe yeah. And the Rebbe can't gain every step. He makes a face. He pulls his teeth. His whole face, it felt from pain. Every step was pain, was... Every pain was terrible pain, not just pain. Every step that the Rebbe is going, and everybody's looking at the Rebbe, and you try to sing, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And the Rebbe gate, and he comes to gate, step by step, he cannot make it. And it took maybe 10 minutes until he got, he got from the back of- from the door, from the back door all the way to, to, to, to, to his place. And then on the way back, they put tables. I remember I couldn't take it. It was, uh... Then we used to have a, a, a Shir in Chassid, in with the Rebbe, Rebbe El. They called us a Shir Friday night. And I saw, I saw the Rebbe walking in, and I went to the, to the class. I c-- It was, it was too painful to see it. For sure too painful. And then in the morning, it's when... I remember that night in, in, uh, 770, when a then we should move the, the, the bimah to the own kodesh, closer. Need closer. Yeah, closer. Yeah, the Reiner came with his ideas and with the idea how to make it and how to do it. But then Leibler gonna ask him the morning the Rebbe if the Rebbe do

1:26:33 Speaker 1 davening raven. I think it was, uh, Dovid Feldman told him. I don't remember who said what and to whom. And the Rebbe's line for... It was Shabbos and Rochim. The Rebbe's line for tell him upstairs, and he was standing right by the door where to stay. We used to stand in middle of the week, not we used to stand Shabbos on the other side. Basically, by the door, you're going to say to 770. We without Michah Ma'ariv, the same place, and they- he went back to his room for, and they made tables in the, in the, in the, in the hall, in the lobby. The Rebbe can put his ha- all down to it. And the, and for Sh- for, for Shacharis, the Rebbe's line back to the same place. And I remember, one thing I remember very well That the mafteer, the haftere of that Shabbos, I heard better than I heard ever. It was silent upstairs, no noise. One could hear every word as if it was right there. But then to the farbrengen, the farbrengen Shabbos walk-in by the Rebbe of Nochachmes. Rebbe went-- The Rebbe came down Shabbos walk-in, and the Rebbe going down, I didn't see because I was standing at that time across the Rebbe, where, where, where the camera from, uh, from, uh, from Chaim Boch is staying, underneath there is to stand. And then-- But when the Rebbe came up on the bima, I saw the Rebbe walking. It was terrible. Terrible. Every step was gefel acheibeting.

1:27:56 Speaker 1 It was very painful. Very-- It was very... The Rebbe had great pain. There's no question about it. And the Rebbe sat down, and the first sicha was the maaleh for farbrengen. The Rebbe basically explained why it's so so bad, why he suffered such pain. This is the farbrengen. He can't walk. The ganze sicha is about farbrengen. Usually, the Rebbe used to start to talk about the, the, the, , this Shabbos is Parshas Dos. The Rebbe dealing them Shabbosing the-- The first sicha was about the farbrengen, maaleh singen of farbrengen. And I remember in the middle of the second sicha, I remember the Rebbe picking up his hand, taking out the hand from underneath, and putting down a napkin that he had in his hand. The Rebbe was holding a napkin in his hand like this for, I think for pain. And you saw how he, his hand was a little relaxed, the pain relaxed. And because also they tried to organize the Rebbe's foot underneath. They put something, uh, told him now to pick it up a little bit. Then in every move, you saw the Rebbe's face. They tried to move the Rebbe's foot. It's-- Every move was like-- You saw in his face, it's terrible pain. Then later, in the middle of the third sicha, the pain relaxed a little bit. You can see it on him. You see it on the Rebbe. And then there was, I think it was the, the long Admor of Adoshim Reuver was the-- this was, uh-

1:29:29 Speaker 1 He had the famous Habad of Reuver. The famous Habad of Reuver. And I remember later, Reb Yael wrote the add-on, and he told us, "People, ." He wrote-- He told us the add-on Shabbos, Shabbosim, maybe in the add-on. His whole life was invested in the add-on. But the Rebbe-- They say, I, I never kinda looked at a clock then. They say it was the longest sicha ever. That's what they say. The Rebbe-- Then the Rebbe , the farbrengen was longer than ever with the sicha noch longer, with the ganze shturem. 'Cause by the Rebbe, every moment was something with the door kitrug, so to speak. It's other Rebbe, noch starker, noch mehr. I remember once, one time, and I think it was the Shabbos before my brother, when Yoske got married, when he's ufufu. With farbrengen, the Rebbe, the, the, the koch was very strong. What was it? In my opinion, again, it's my commentary. In the morning, the Rebbe . By mafteer, the Rebbe put on glasses. Only time the Rebbe put on glasses by mafteer in public, I think what I remember. And- Usually, the Rebbe had the big, uh, contacts. The big papers, yeah. I don't know what happened, why the Rebbe put on glasses this Shabbos and this or that, but if the gate-- If the door in the, in the direction, then it goes... The, the actual is . The farbrengen was loud, and the Rebbe farbrengen. Then Reuver, that was... The-- Since then, the Rebbe davened upstairs. For those

1:30:58 Speaker 1 few weeks. Oh, during the week, the Rebbe used to daven in Gan Eyde HaTach-tach, not even in upstairs. The Rebbe came out from Gan Eyde, from Ish-- From the, the, the stand there was by the door, the Yechidot Sechel door. The Rebbe literally walked up out one step. Remember before that, I wanna tell you, Sunday, after this Shabbos, Sunday was Siyum HaBam, case of Siyum HaBam. Everybody went on the Siyum HaBam. And the Rebbe gives over to us, "Versed gains of Siyum HaBam to give them a dollar." I remember it was Reuver. I frankly remember correct. So we came back from Siyum HaBam, what we get as, uh... The Rebbe just back home. I, I, I saw the Rebbe driving away already when I came out from the, from the train station, from... And, uh, but Monday morning, what we get , a session a bisel besser. The Rebbe... Later, I heard maybe, I think there is somebody, the Rebbe went for a, for a session. I don't know. Bottom line was Monday morning, the Rebbe felt a little better. But the Rebbe used to daven in Gan Eyde HaTach-tach. You couldn't see the Rebbe because outside, the Rebbe ca-- And, and since then, the Rebbe started to come into Seven-Seventy from the back, where the Rebbe- From the driveway. From the driveway. Until then, the Rebbe used to go from the front. Since then, he, uh, usually used to pull out the car all the way to the back, and the Rebbe used to

1:32:18 Speaker 1 come out from the door and go the few steps and go in straight inside, that nobody... He should be able to go slow, and nobody has to see, and he can take his time. Then, uh, I remember w- it used to be a dero who should go in for the, for the Mincha-Maariv, that one time I went also. We, we-- Then the Bochurim was standing on the steps, steps that go from the Gan, the Gan Eyde HaTach-tach steps that you go upstairs. The Bochurim standing there, and I saw the Rebbe coming out. I think it was Maariv. I don't... Maybe Mincha. I don't remember. And the Rebbe davened. And I remember, uh, the Rebbe, after the Rebbe's-- When the Rebbe finished davening, the door was opened, and Leibel came in. The Rebbe walked in, and Leibel came in after the Rebbe. I was standing from above. I was able to see. The Rebbe walks in. In a second, he puts down the siddur on the bed, and he right away takes out-- start to take off the, the gartel. Everything was in... Not, not wasting a second That was in the, a half a sec, half a minute that, uh, before the door was closed. You understand? 'Cause Leibel, the moment he came in, he closed the door right away. Then in this half a minute, I saw how the Rebbe doesn't waste a second. He walks in. He walked in actually fa-- he walked in fast. He walked in, puts down the siddur, right

1:33:33 Speaker 1 away takes off the ta-- the gartel. Like in a s- everything went f-flying, not walk, not normal. I was, like, shocked how fast the Rebbe was operating. Shabbos, the Rebbe was davening upstairs, but there was no farbrengens because all the... I mean, Purim was a farbrengen, but even, um, even- It's the only time you can see on the video a little bit. When the Rebbe walks out of the farbrengen, you can see, uh- You can see, you can see, uh, the Rebbe walk. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. And I remember, uh, we, even, even, um, even the Megillah was upstairs. I was inside because the Kutz had permission to go in, et cetera. They're coming for one ear, they go in. And I saw, I... They were standing very... I saw the Rebbe very close. And the Rebbe was standing, and you saw the Rebbe's changing feet, feets. And the balkeri is leaning, and leaning, and leaning. But the, the, the, the... But the Rebbe, the... You see how the Rebbe, it's hard for him to stand. Rebbe's changing the foots, and this foots, and this foot, and he bending, and he's... And l-leaning on the, on the, on the stand there. And then was, uh, those... And even, even the Sicha from Tiny Sester. If I remember correct, Tiny Sester was Thursday, if I remember correct. Thur-Thursday after, because, uh, Purim was Motzaei Shabbos, I think, if I remember correct. And the Rebbe, the Sicha was upstairs. And, uh, and but to, to the

1:34:56 Speaker 1 point farbrengen, the Rebbe came down. And then the Rebbe was upstairs. Then the Rebbe started davening, uh, in, in, in seven-seventy, but, uh, upstairs every day, but it was upstairs until Pesach. Now Pesach, it was like this. I remember it was upstairs. Oh, Yud Aleph Nisn, the Rebbe gave out dollars, the first time the Rebbe gave out dollars. With the foots. It's unbelievable, these things. It was hours and hours. I remember the Rebbe give four names, z-zungting by night. Everybody was hoping maybe it'll be a farbrengen. I think, I think Yud Aleph Nisn was a Sunday, and, uh, and every... Seven-seventy was full to see maybe there will be a farbrengen Sun- maybe it'll be a protentiche farbrengen, a, a sen, a farbrengen like- It's the first year that there wasn't a farbrengen. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. The Rebbe going home was a huge disappointment. Not a disappointment, a huge disappointment. Everybody was staying, I'll say, like Agas misn. It was a, it was, it was, it was painful. Posheit painful. Then on Monday, we were happy, Yud Aleph Nisn, my Rebbe, the Rebbe, the, and, but I remember later the Schluchim on farbach downstairs, and the whole atmosphere of this farbrengen was with the foots, and the Rebbe doesn't farbreng. It was, it was not a good, not a good feeling. It was not... It was not an inspiring farbrengen. It was, it was very kalemute. That's the word. Then they said... Then, then what I mean to say is... And but, but

1:36:32 Speaker 1 then, uh, the Rebbe, but they give-- The dollars was a big thing. The Rebbe gave out dollars for many hours because they brought all the kids from the schools and from the whole Tayer, and everybody came, and it was, it was the f- the second time the Rebbe, Rebbe gave out dollars, huge vat. And this is the second time the Rebbe gave out dollars. But Erev Pesach, I remember, like we, upstairs was ready for the, for davening. And I came in, I came in, I came early. I was standing in the, in, in the hallway upstairs, waiting from... The door was op- You can go into, to, to the zal if you want to kind of happen a plotz or something. Suddenly, Leibel Groner comes out beaming, "The Rebbe gave davenu- davening un." He was so excited. Later, I heard that the, the, what the Rebbe knows as, uh, um, Gutnick gave money for ten yungerleit to go to Tveria, to the cave, to the cave of the Rambam, to say the whole Tehillim. Erev Pesach, Erev Pesach, they will go to Rambam to say the whole Tehillim for the Rebbe, the Rebbe's own. This thing made the Rebbe go downstairs. The Rebbe got gezunt from tzorus davus. See, when the Rebbe... It looks like it's a gashmius diker mensch, but it's bemis not. And it's a gashmius and ruchnius is such a mixed match that you cannot even, you can, you, you know nothing about the Rebbe. Then when the Rebbe-- I remember the

1:37:57 Speaker 1 Rebbe going in downstairs. Now, it was, the Rebbe, Rebbe gave the open minyan in five minute. Seven-seventy downstairs was empty. Nobody was there. The Rebbe went downstairs, but the Rebbe didn't go well. The Rebbe was schlepping the foots, and the Rebbe tried to cover this up. The Rebbe went from side to side and in, in such a way that to, like he, he, he encouraged the singing on one side, encouraged, but you see how he moved one foot to this side, one foot to the other side, trying to avoid people. No-nobody should see that he's not wa-walking straight. But you could see that it's painful for the Rebbe, the long walk. But since then, the Rebbe started to go downstairs. He went back downstairs. Ganz, ganz Pesach, the Rebbe understand. I remember Chol Hamoed Pesach came, uh, uh, Rabbi Yoles used to come to the Rebbe every Chol Hamoed. And usually, the Rebbe used to go slow because of Rabbi Yoles. This time, they told Rabbi Yoles to go slower, that the Rebbe shouldn't have to go fast because the Rebbe used to go with him. And if you go slower, then he went very slow. The Rebbe should be easier for the Rebbe to walk. But since then, in my opinion, the Rebbe never went back to the way he walked before that. Never. From then. If... From then. If you look good on the videos, you see how the Rebbe walks. The Rebbe walks like this all dayers. And I think the reason

1:39:27 Speaker 1 is because of the foots. He never walked like before, I'm telling you. And I'm sure m-enough mavens in seven-seventy will argue with me that I'm not going to start, start an argument. That's what I feel. So you're basically saying that the whole tekufah- From Erev Rov until Num Beis, it was a tekufah at the Rebbe Mottaibeig Alef. And the bochurim were on this right with the Rebbe. And then Mottaibeig Alef, Tudam and the Rebbe, and we tried and everything, and the machlikim sink all night. Everything together was such a mixed match of tzoros and... The, some nechash rochem, the Rebbe, the Rebbe, sure the Rebbe a lot of nechash rochem, but in general... And everybody was there felt it. And they almost think that it didn't-- You look-- I look back today, it doesn't even make sense. The, the, the, the, the level of the fight and the, and the and the Rebbe of the Bochurim. The whole thing didn't make sense. Then you look-- And you look today, but it was, it was not an easy time, let's put it this way. And that made, I th-I think, made us stronger in Skverers. That's why for my generation, the, the Rebbe from the, from the, from the court case, the Rebbe started to speak about both the Chabad. And the Rebbe almost didn't mention the, the Mivtzoim. The Rebbe mentioned less and less Mivtzoim and more and more both the Chabad. All the schlo-- All the, all the Bochurim from year and a year,

1:41:07 Speaker 1 almost everybody went to Shlichas because it was a no-brainer. We're going to Shlichas. There's-- This is it. That's what the Rebbe wants. And then the, the-- Even the rest of the year, you're waiting for the did not notzach. Then comes the did not notzach. You don't see, and the Rebbe wants one, one new of Simcha, one new or not. And the Rebbe . The Simchas are megade, yeah.

1:41:32 Speaker 5 That's, that's the one time that you said everything comes from the Rebbe with the Elul feels. That's the one time that there was no correlation.

1:41:39 Speaker 1 Yeah, there is a contradiction here. Something is not working here. We Going crazy. went meshuga about the seven days, especially the first few days. And the Rebbe, gornisht. Serious, serious. Later you hear that the Rebbe effect, uh, if they can-- If they-- It could be an appeal.

1:42:01 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:42:01 Speaker 1 And they said yes, that they-- Then in-- It was, was Ta- or the Rebbe came, was Tansen Day. The, the atmosphere outside of the Rebbe's Tzemach, and the same thing I heard from, uh, the same, uh, the same... What's his name? Um, Gansbourg. He said the atmosphere in the Rebbe's house was a whole different atmosphere than it was in seventy-seventy, the Tansen with the Simcha metalus. Then mem-- Not, not the same, mem zayin, but for the, for the, for the court case. shouldn't have to take so long. But he had all the court cases, whatever, and Simcha. Now, I, after T- after Tishrei, mem zayin, I had to go back to Israel because the court said they, they, they signed that every Bochur will come back. That's why the army gives perm-permit, that it gives the next year-

1:42:46 Speaker 5 You go and you go for one year.

1:42:48 Speaker 1 And this thing made me partially physically sick. I was laying in bed with fever. I was sick from the idea of going to Israel. Partially It was like Gehenna. The only thing we wrote to the Rebbe before we left, we went on Yechidas, you know, Yechidas calls for Bochurim at that time. In the pan, we wrote one thing, a Bochur for to come back as soon as possible. Not a Bochur for anything, not for Tehillim, not for Avodah, not gornisht. I couldn't care less for anything. One thing, we want to come back. And we were standing here. I, I remember, I-- Me and a few other friends, uh, it's a goldsmith who is a Shliach now in, uh, Long Island. We were, we were, uh, we were standing by the-- The Rebbe was, um-- The Rebbe went to the Ohel. We've been waiting for the fog is on the raid. It was after Shabbos Nech. After Zayin-- A-after Zayin Chesvan we went. We tried to extend it as much as possible. After Zayin Chesvan, and we were standing there, and the Rebbe, the Rebbe came into the car, and before he ca-- He, he said, . Usually, the Rebbe says, "Fog is on the raid." The Rebbe said, "Fog is on the raid." Now, he, he didn't say He said, "Fog is on the raid." This was the lotion. And the-- And when we were sitting in the car, the Rebbe turned around his head, and he looked at us. We were-- I'm telling you,

1:44:12 Speaker 1 I looked like I was a mitten Tisha B'av, like I'm dying. Then, uh-- And I saw, I saw it in this, the best Bochur. The Rebbe tell us, "What means Tisha B'Av? You'll be there, and you'll send me Tisha B'Av. Everything will be Tisha B'Av." And that's what he asked from the Rebbe. I w-- I was in Israel probably six weeks. Yeah, in mid-Hanukkah I came back already.

1:44:38 Speaker 5 Somehow you figured it out.

1:44:39 Speaker 1 Somehow they my father helped me. It was my father's connections. The ser-- The person who helped me to do it is still alive. It's, uh, uh, In any case, I came back to seventy-seventy, and I was very, very-- In midn- in midn of s- uh, in middle of, uh, of, uh, of Hanukkah, and the Rebbe says after Mincha, there was a microphone ready and everything. Whoa. That was the Kabbalah's point in the Shovalayim. What are you, what are you pushing yourself here? Go do something. And I remember that, that day's Hanukkah, they decided to make a, a, a-- Usually it was the day celebrating Lammed Heh. Then he was given a Bochurim as the Rebbe Hanukkah. He said Hanukkah was a big sugya in seventy-seventy, not like but something like this. And then it was, uh... And three days later was Eita B'av.

1:45:54 Speaker 5 So you came right in time.

1:45:55 Speaker 1 I came right in time. Oh my God, if I wouldn't-- I, I wouldn't survive this if I wouldn't be in seventy-seventy by Eita B'av I remember I was-- somebody runs into the room and screams, "Did a Nozar!" I jumped out of bed, of the bed. I was running downstairs like, like from a fire. And I come downstairs, I come with old Boris, and right away somebody gives you all the big lime, right? And the, I mean, the simcha for me, Tevis, I don't have to describe. It was like, it was like Moshe is coming. The, the joy and the simcha and the celebrations of the Giton. But you, you, you s-- I saw the Rebbe. I was, um, I was, uh, a couple of them. The Rebbe's line is seven seventy. The Rebbe was very serious. Very serious. We can tell you that there was... For one reason, I don't know why, but Tov Shimaz, this eight Tevis, you know, Bochum used to stand to see the Rebbe go out from the room, from his, from, from his yezidessima to the li- to the elevator, and then run downstairs to see how the Rebbe comes out from, from the, uh, from the elevator, from the passenger spine-

1:47:07 Speaker 5 The home

1:47:07 Speaker 1 ... goes into the sea. And was standing with me, Ra'el Terevit from Ertsisol, a Hasid. And he did the same shtick with me. And he was running first, and I was running behind him. And he ran so fast, he didn't realize he almost hit the Rebbe and was like... Almost. And the Rebbe gave him such a look.

1:47:30 Speaker 5 This is on the way, Tevis, walking into Shol.

1:47:32 Speaker 1 And Tevis. There is a reason why the Rebbe gave him the look, but it's not, not for now. Such a look. If you get such a look, you can die. The Rebbe pierced him. The Rebbe didn't go, "Azra, cook." Like, "What is with you?" It was like, "Kiferlach." And that's how the Rebbe came in, you understand? People didn't see it, but I was behind him. I was running back. I was above on the step that I was able to see the Rebbe's cook on him, you understand? And, and, but the, that meant that there was the sikha, but you listen to the sikha. I just, I remember last year, I decided to listen again to the sikha for Meir Tevis. It's a Meir Tevis sikha.

1:48:10 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:48:11 Speaker 1 Well, the Shasvai said, the Rebbe said it, it does that with such seriousness and such, that it was, it was more, more to be desired. You know what I mean?

1:48:21 Speaker 5 It's, it's also, it's one, it's a, it's a type of sikha the Rebbe didn't speak with like a sirachus, like, like with the-

1:48:27 Speaker 1 The veil. You're right.

1:48:29 Speaker 5 Yeah. You have to listen to the patient to understand the, the kebab of it.

1:48:31 Speaker 1 Exactly. No, but the Rebbe said, "But he walk hack of a VM." Everybody understand what he's talking.

1:48:36 Speaker 5 Yeah, that line everyone knows, but there's a whole story behind it. Yeah.

1:48:38 Speaker 1 No, no, I mean to say the whole sikha, you understand where the Rebbe is coming from, but you didn't see it.

1:48:44 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:48:44 Speaker 1 Well, you don't even think it, Rebbe, but I cook it on, it won't always think it, and there is nothing. And that's a part why A. Tevis was never, took many, many years until A. Tevis, u-until it clicked, but it's a whole story in itself.

1:48:57 Speaker 5 I mean, did I talk about it the next year? Fine, yeah.

1:48:59 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We'll get, we'll get to it.

1:48:59 Speaker 5 You're saying by the, by then.

1:49:00 Speaker 1 We'll get to it. Yeah. But, uh, the, then, and then, then was the all seven days. The, the next day was the, the Rebbe went upstairs after the, after Maiv. The, um, Wow Tevis. The Rebbe came back from there and went upstairs, and, um, and then he said the sikha about sending the panim. And then tell the panim to Meir, The first Tevis was the Gantzer Balagan, two-story mansion, book came to seven seventy, throwing down the, the, bringing the panim and bringing money. Seven seventy was crazy. And even before the Rebbe came out to go to Dale, they took out bags, twelve bags, if I remember correct, full with panim, put in the car. And the Rebbe left, even a two-story mansion outside. I'm serious. Maybe even more. It was, the crowd was outside and the excitement was unbelievable. Then every day was something different. It was modivus. It was clear that was, there was special days, very special days. Stutzach. And then the, and then was the Farbrengen, Shabazey, Geshmake Farbrengen. If I remember correct, if, if I remember correct, that Farbrengen, the Rebbe said, the Rebbe finished the sikha, "Get away from Golos." It was this Farbrengen or Farbrengen later. I'm, I'm almost sure it was that Farbrengen. The Rebbe said, "No." The Rebbe said it end like this. Seven seventy was packed by this Farbrengen because then many shlokim came. You couldn't breathe. You, you, you lost your Makim Kavua. You lost because lots of Makim Kavua. You take, you're replacing somebody

1:50:35 Speaker 1 who was before you. Then the guy before you came to Farbrengen, then you, you don't ever understand. You push yourself and you... Then, and then what came, came later with Base Tevis. The Rebbe came from the ale, and the Rebbe gave the sikha. But everybody remembers in the sikha, the Rebbe Gazok, that's what makes the Asor Bet Tevis and the, and the, with the prines, Loya Bucha Prine. But the real part of the sikha, the most beautiful part of this sikha, was the Rebbe's story of what is Didan Nozar. The story from Midrash. The Rebbe started a story from the Midrash. You need to understand, Didan Nozar was something was Bochum invented. The Shukina Bochum were living around at night and scheming, "Didan Nozar," making Aleman a loching cup and singing it and driving everybody crazy. They used to, we used to sing it in, in, in the, in the hall, in under the, with the mag- the magnet, what it's called. And, uh, and the, and the, the Maskirim couldn't talk on the phone because the sting in the morning when the Rebbe come. And nobody cared what they scream. We continued to sing while the Rebbe Gazok tat me simcha bet on ufton. It was a Bochum thing. We never heard the Rebbe sing anything about Didan Nozar. The Rebbe never know it.

1:51:48 Speaker 5 The Rebbe did say once, um, the Rebbe did say, um-

1:51:52 Speaker 1 Didan Nozar, Heylev ve'Keyvesh.

1:51:53 Speaker 5 Yeah, Heylev ve'Keyvesh, Didan Nozar.

1:51:57 Speaker 1 Yeah, well, yes.

1:51:59 Speaker 5 Okay.

1:51:59 Speaker 1 Basically, basically, Didan Nozar was a Bochum thing. We never knew how the Rebbe li- if the Rebbe likes it or doesn't like it. Yeah, Shprat of Miguel, and then Yutas Kislev, and the Rebbe was singing to himself a little Didan Nozar. In general, it was, uh, it was owned by us, by Bochim. Then comes the Rebbe in the sicha. He told some meisa mit a midrash. The Rebbe tells a story, he relax. So then the, the Tana gave, the mere gave kumen, a ruach ro. Meisa mit a ruach ro. Came to a mere, and he tells him the-the-the-there is a ruach. The ruach tevo came and comes a ruach ro. What should he do? Says you should co-collect the people from the city on, uh, neben allerli klop klaperai. The Rebbe said the expression. Everything that you can bring in, and you should go to the water, and then you should scream. And the Rebbe said, "Was on the shine?" Didan otzar. At least I felt like there was a bomb in the room, like a missile fell into the room. Whoa. Peter Mol did an otzar. He's a midrash. The Rebbe speaks about it, and it's, it's not something that somebody invented it in seven seventy. The Rebbe, the Rebbe believes in it and agrees with it and goes with it and speaks... To me, the sicha from Yud Beis-Tevis, that's the sicha from Yud Beis-Tevis. That's the Rebbe's petach hisichim of the Bochim. No, it wasn't the first time, it wasn't the last

1:53:20 Speaker 1 time. And the Rebbe said, "Mishloimei haprinz." It's all nice and fine. But really, the chidush from Yud Beis-Tevis, this sicha. Bekhalal, this sicha is an unbelievable sicha. There is so many reiche expression, uh, uh, in, in a rich expression. For example, the Rebbe said, you know, there is a loshon from Chazal. "Divrei Torah anim b'mikremum v'ashirim b'mokom acheir." But the Rebbe gezogte in this sicha zeh, "Divrei Torah zenana ashirim oder dod oder dodn." You know what lays in such a line? What the Rebbe gezogte? The Rebbe takes the Ma'ayana Chazal. What's the meaning of the Ma'ayana Chazal? A divrei Torah zenana ashirim. A here oder. But the, but the Ma-- the Chazal doesn't say it. The Chazal said-

1:54:02 Speaker 5 The Rebbe doesn't want to say

1:54:03 Speaker 1 ... a negative. That's why I'm saying the Rebbe took the Ma'ayana Chazal and made to make one positive thing, and this was a bederech hagam, a sentence. That's it, one sentence. But if you listen, you know, people say, "Hoyshe geyerd a farbrengen." I saw-- I heard already this video. You can hear a farbrengen a hundred times and discover every day, every time new things. Every expression of the Rebbe is at the here in a chidush. The reichkeit of the sichas, it's unbelievable what, what, what is the Rebbe's sicha.

1:54:30 Speaker 5 So, uh, this is one of the things I wanted to ask you about. Maybe you could continue what you're saying, but I'll ask a question.

1:54:36 Speaker 1 Go ahead, please.

1:54:36 Speaker 5 See, it seems that, uh, besides being around the Rebbe, you also made an effort to be able to listen to every sicha and every farbrengen and did it properly. So maybe you can talk about that a little bit.

1:54:52 Speaker 1 Listen, I came involved-- I always, listen, I, I always listened to the Rebbe's farbrengen, even as a child. I remember, for example, the Sicha Five. When was it? Lamed, Lamed-

1:55:01 Speaker 5 Lamed

1:55:01 Speaker 1 ... Lamed Zayin? Lamed Tes?

1:55:03 Speaker 5 I think it's-

1:55:05 Speaker 1 Lamed Tes? I don't know.

1:55:06 Speaker 5 I'm not sure.

1:55:06 Speaker 1 One of the years, I remember staying in a home in Bnei Brak. The Rebbe gave the sicha farshtanen in Yiddish.

1:55:12 Speaker 5 I think it's Lamed Vav, yeah. Okay.

1:55:13 Speaker 1 Lamed Vav, and farshtanen in Yiddish, and I learned punkte cheder the story with Dovid mesfazes a mechalke bechol ois. Learned the na-- the, the navi. And the Rebbe gave the sicha far-- farshtanen the ganze sicha mit kol asu v'atzeifa. And every time, many sichas, the Rebbe get-

1:55:27 Speaker 5 You were, you were, you were nine.

1:55:29 Speaker 1 I was ni-- Yeah, I understand the whole sicha from then on. And I understand the Rebbe screaming the ganze meise, "Ve-ha-meise mit five." The whole thing there. Then seeing, hearing sichas and farshtanen from a very young age, that wasn't strange for me. But when it came to seven seventy, especially the Shabbat sichas are more complicated and longer, and it's hard to hear because it's f- it's, it's not a mi- a microphone. It takes a bi-- uh, effort. But what-- The hardest part about the sicha, especially the Sh为此meder diker Yom, is to keep alt and kop, to keep the trend of the sicha, to understand how the Rebbe goes from one thing to the other, and to not lose the connection. Not-- To be able to understand the whole sicha, this is very hard.

1:56:11 Speaker 5 Yeah.

1:56:11 Speaker 1 And this year-

1:56:12 Speaker 5 I find it's important to, if you're watching a farbrengen, listening, to just, like, make like a mental note that, "Oh, this is a bracket." 'Cause the Reb- the Rebbe's brackets go for a long time, and he doesn't s- say, "And now we're going back."

1:56:28 Speaker 1 Exactly.

1:56:28 Speaker 5 Sometimes, yeah. U- usually not, but you have to-

1:56:30 Speaker 1 Usually not

1:56:31 Speaker 5 ... you have to make a mental note, "Okay, that's the beginning of the bracket. This is the end of the bracket."

1:56:35 Speaker 1 And, and connect later how the Rebbe is speaking back to what he said before. And he's going to say-- take the same idea further and further, and it's very hard. It's very hard for everybody. But, uh, then if you have the commitment, this you, you can do it. And listen, I tell it always, uh... You know, I'll tell you. What we, what, what do we have in, what do we had in seven seventy? Four men involved, these numbers. I do-- I was never on Yechidus. There was no Yechidus. At dollars, I went to one seyah for my emuleres. Sometimes I-- In the beginning, I didn't even tell-- I, I didn't even tell Label to tell the Rebbes my emuleres. Later years, I had the chutzpah to tell Label to tell the Rebbes the emuleres. The Rebbe told me, "Shonah tovah." That's it. Is to go to the Rebbe by, by d-- by, when the Rebbe gave out a kuntres, that was a sign the Rebbe wants everybody to pass by. He knows when they give a kuntres, everybody's coming. This to print every kuntres, ten thousand. But bechalal, what was our connection with the Rebbe? Farbrengens. We lived with farbrengens on the Rebbe. That was our Yechidus, that was our farbrengen, that was our everything, our life. You know, there is a meise, the one, one, Stef. I think it was with Rav Zamigwai, I think. When he was a little boy, he was a Yosem. I think it was him. And, uh, somebody told

1:57:50 Speaker 1 the Friediker Rebbe to kind of take care of and give him attention, something. Friediker Rebbe said, "Ich hod vehem, ich hod vehem mid'eigan." I raise him, I nurt- nurture him with my eyes. That's what the Rebbe did to us. The Rebbe nurtured us by the farbrengens. What does the f- what-- You see, you understand, people came on Yechidus. The Yechidus of the Rebbe is a Misrabesh given Belovusha Mizbara. The Rebbe spoke to the person What he needs, what he wants. Then what is you, your yechid is not necessarily what belong to me. The Rebbe told him, "Gezogte yechid is what he-" He had these problems, and he needs these solutions. It's not the Rebbe necessarily. Give you an example. A few examples. Um, Dr. Weiss told a story that the Rebbe told him, and it's important to him, um, to the-- drinking coffee-- tea with his wife, which is with the Rebbetsin as much as putting on tefillin, right? The Rebbe told the ta yochid about his issues, and the Rebbe told him in this, in this line, "It doesn't mean as yedereinu zotikein ha'Elokim b'aveid Hashem." You understand what I'm saying? Or the Rebbe told this, this... There was a Rav who came up with a story. The Rebbe told him he should ask himself, what was the name of the guy? Rabbi Weinreb. Weintraub, right? Wein-Weinreb. Wein-Weinreb, Weinreb. The Rebbe told him, "Ask yourself." yedereinu tasif will ask himself. No more asking the Rabbonim. No more asking the doctors. No more looking in

1:59:19 Speaker 1 sichas. Yedereinu treigen zich alein. We take a ma'ase from one person we macht to the ma'ase the rabbeide. Sure, everybody likes this. You think I'll ask myself what I need to ask, ask, I'll ask a, as-ask a Rav? The Rebbe said, "We'll ask a Rabboni." The Rebbe give a 100 moments. Ask a shy lehr freige a Rav. No more Rav. The Rebbe gives og freige zich alein. This story alone, it's a tzori, it's a tzori chiun. Nobody should mind getting in there. Let's say it was exactly the way he told it. What I mean to say is, what the Rebbe wanted, what-- who the Rebbe is, is the farbrengens. That's what the Rebbe... By the farbrengen of the Rebbe, gezogte was elville. By the farbrengen, you standing and listening to him. It's not, it's not telling what you, what's good for you. It tells what's good for everyone. But the Rebbe-- That's the Rebbe's agenda. Mechallal, think about the farbrengens. It's an unbelievable invention. Nobody had farbrengens mechallal before that. This style of farbrengens, not the Alter Rebbe, not the Mitn Rebbe, not the Friediker. Such farbrengens never existed. It's only by the Rebbe. I mechshteen zim shor, tzen shor, five sh-hours, and the Rebbe zogt tere, un zis tere, un mi farbreng, to mi zinkt, un the Rebbe zogt noch tere, un noch tere. Tere blik vul mamish. Ad ik kop kan platzn. You know, you come out from the farbrengen, you were in seventh heaven. Now, it was easy? It was not easy.

2:00:44 Speaker 1 Not everybody wanted to be there. A half of the people of the farbrengen, the farbrengen didn't understand Yiddish, or they understood only English, only they understand only Hebrew, only French, only Russian. A half of the crowd, in a good day, understood Yiddish. From the half, how many listens? I don't know. The point is, it was not easy to be there. Nobody invited you. You had to fight for your place like for your life. A gantz evo chot ming elept. Do I have my place for the farbrengen? I will not have my place at the farbrengen because if I don't have my place in the far-- If somebody, the guy, the ta yeresh from in the, the place, if he comes back for Shabbos, I'm finished. I have to look for a place. Then sometimes they let me to squeeze in return. Sometimes they don't let me. Depends how m- how m- how much-- how many years you have, uh, you have there. How many-- Who is, who is afraid of whom, basically. You know, the place for the farbrengen, p- there was no place ki-kind of no place obviously. So it's like when two people straight in, in, in a loch. People go in the desert, there's one bottle of water. You understand what I'm saying? You cannot give your place away again. No matter how much you love your friend. I was-- That's you or him. It's chayei hakodshim. If you don't have the farbrengen, you die. Then you, you, you cannot give your

2:01:59 Speaker 1 place. The same person would host you in his house for a month for free and give you three times a day meals and take care of you. At the farbrengen, this is my place, bocher. And that's it. I don't want to hear from anything. Then being with the farbrengen, everybody was there. Many people didn't understand. But then being with the Rebbe in the same room, it was unbelievable. The Rebbe's, the Rebbe's ponim would geshine. The whole being there, it was-- You were elevated. You were at not a tefach mal from karca. Hundert tzchochin from the, from, from, from, from the ground. You were in a different world. Then the farbrengens was all connection with the Rebbe. And every farbrengen, you hear the farbrengen, then there's the chazore. If there were chazore right after the farbrengen, then there is the chazore. Then you used to go, especially, especially later, from Tov Shemeim Ches, after the stalkers of the Rebbetsin, the Rebbe started to speak in a lower tone. It was much harder to hear the farbrengen. Then the effort to hear, not to miss anything was so strong that by after the farbrengen, I was exhausted. I was dead. And, and I, I-- There used to be the chazore tzwishin bochim, and then we had to sleep. Then we came at night to the, to the chazore of Rabbi Yair. It was not a lot of bochim, but it was there enough. The che-- The chezrim with, uh, Rabbi Simon Jacobson, Rabbi Bor Feldman, and the

2:03:20 Speaker 1 other chezrim, helping him and the bochim, throwing here and there, a word here, an expression here. Everybody helped a little bit. I mean... And that was the m- the b-best, better chazore. Then was the chazore that Rabbi Yair used to give Sunday afternoon to Israel, to other countries. Three o'cl-- A-after Mincha, something like this. I think three o'clock, then you can hear the, this chazore. And agan-- Then in the middle of the week came out the nocher. A gantz evo chot ming eleven Rebbe farbrengen and getting ready for the next farbrengen. Enjoying the farbrengen from last week and worrying about your place for the farbrengen of next week. Literally, a whole week you were going with the fear maybe you will have a place or you'll not have a place. But this, this thing, what I mean to say is this idea, the, the farbrengens, this is the only thing that we still have from the Rebbe alive. Think about this. There is no videos from Moshe Rabbeinu and no videos from Rabbi Akiva and no videos from the, from the Friediker Rebbe. The only one we have videos from and tapes is from the Rebbe. The Rebbe, the Rebbe lost a yam mit sichas. Though the sichas from, from, from, from the middle of the war will take you a lifetime to listen to everything. And the-- I, I-- Somebody told me there is around a hundred videos from farbrengens. Hundred farbrengens on video. You hear a video, you-- To be a Hasid, in

2:04:42 Speaker 1 my opinion, if you want to really feel the Rebbe, you want to be really connected, the really-- the way to get to know the Rebbe is to hear him speaking. Then you learn his expressions. You learn his var tzachos. You learn how he thinks. You learn how he speaks. You learn how-- Everything. Everything. The whole life of the-- You, you get to know the Rebbe. I tell bochim, "Can you imagine you had a father- Your father left you videos and audios, and you never had a chance to meet your father. Would you not learn his language to be able to understand what he says, to be able to enjoy what he says? He said so much. And, and it's not like the moment you learn, you train yourself into it. It's hard in the beginning. The moment you train yourself into it, it's the best enjoyment. It's a pleasure to listen to farbrengen from Rebbe. Now, the-- As I told you before in the beginning, the lameds are unbelievable for farbrengens. The chof of, uh, lamed alef, I think.

2:05:50 Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah.

2:05:51 Speaker 1 Go ahead.

2:05:52 Speaker 6 No, no, no. Go ahead.

2:05:53 Speaker 1 Then this is an unbelie-- I mean, I remember when I saw the first time the video from chof of lamed alef, I couldn't sleep the next night. It was-- I heard it a few times, this farbrengen, and just the Rebbe-- the koach that the Rebbe speaks, and then ein sicha, enoch ha-sicha, enoch ha-sicha. And the, the fire, it's, it's inspiration for generations, not only for, for one day. Or a Purim farbrengen. You, you, you hear a Purim farbrengen from the Rebbe, you, you get so energized. You can go and, and encourage people and do and dance and... A farbrengen from lamed beis, lamed gimel, the Purim farbrengens from the Rebbe, it was-- The lameds were unbelievable. The men were a little louder, I must admit. But still, a farbrengen from the Rebbe is unbelievable. So you do that, listen to Rebbe. And there was-- The farbrengens, that was the thing that every Bochur in 770 lived to it. And you didn't want to miss a farbrengen by any cost, for any cost. And, and then d-during the week in Shabbos and the sichas and farbrengens, and, you know, when it was a regular Shabbos, regular week, like now, you have Shabbos, they have enough time to process the farbrengen and understand the sichas and try to understand a little more until next Shabbos. Tishrei? You couldn't breathe. It was a sicha every day, a farbrengen every second day. You couldn't-- You-- And then there is dovid kiros udor farbrengen, udor, enoch farbrengen, udu. And, udor,

2:07:16 Speaker 1 the, uh, Vov Tishrei, it's right there to be the davening and the farbrengens. And a sicha every day, sukkot, and Simchat Torah, and a coffee, farbrengens, farbrengens. You didn't pick up ten percent what the Rebbe said. You heard, you heard everything, and you didn't-- And it was like you were so tired and exhausted and hungry. It was-- There was no chance. By the Rebbe, it was a boot camp. Nobody was sleeping. The Rebbe didn't sleep. He didn't let anybody else to sleep.

2:07:47 Speaker 6 Especially Tishrei.

2:07:49 Speaker 1 Tishrei? You couldn't breathe, forget about sleeping. You c-- W- It was every minute. It was dovid lekach, and dor gigit when the panim, udor za'in, udor, and dor slichas, and dor... A- And a sicha every minute, another sicha, another farbrengen.

2:08:04 Speaker 6 And you always-- The, the Maimon and the Rashi sichas, you always understood it?

2:08:08 Speaker 1 No. First of all, like this. Tov Shemevov Shabbos Bereishit was the last Maimon with a, with a nigun.

2:08:14 Speaker 6 The Rebbe kein sicha?

2:08:16 Speaker 1 Rebbe was kein sicha. No, I didn't understand the Maimon. It was very hard to understand Maimon. The Zohar was also un-hard to understand. But it was sometimes easier, depends on the Maimon. For example, I remember the Maimon from Ish Ocheh, the Tov Shemevov, Ish Ocheh, the Sheva'a Nevivim. The Rebbe gezogt the Maimon. It was-- Rebbe gezogt-- Slowly, the Rebbe explained it, and it was a mechayes oil. I remember in Shas Maisa, I was enjoying every minute of it. So other Maimonim, it was harder. It depends on the, depends on the-- But y-there are sichas that I remember until today. The Rebbe said it with the chays, with the fire, and I remember until today the, the, the sicha. I remember the Rebbe's expression, the Rebbe's face when the Rebbe gezogt the sicha.

2:08:55 Speaker 6 And you also learned the, the Hanchos, the Esnacha and Esnadis?

2:08:59 Speaker 1 Obviously, I learned the Hanchos. What I mean to say is... I'll tell you. Learning the Hanchos, we have the Torah from, from Yeshiva Beis Dechet. And writing, we have everything. We have Torah Shebechsav, we have Torah Shebaal Peh, we have the Rebbe's Maimonim, we look at the Torah, we have Torah here. We have the Friddikash Maimonim, we have the Rebbe's Maimonim. We have everything. The only news about the Rebbe is we can hear his voice. We can hear from, we can hear from him alei. Not Mipiksavim, Mipi v'lo Mipiksavim. We can hear Mipi, why Mipiksavim? Not-- For sure, I learn Hanchos constantly. Sichas and Hanchos, the ganze Torah, the ganze... Actually, what's, what's my li-- What, what, what I'm teaching, what I'm-- That's what I do. That's what I do for a living. It's not even a chidush. I have nothing else to do. But, uh, I'm, I'm getting as-- I have to te-- I am teaching the Jewish insight that my brother is editing. Every s- every week comes out a sicha, and I teaching to people. And it's a mechayes since I started to teach at the Rebbe. I never heard the language. Uh, the Rebbe, he says in the sicha, people know that the Rebbe is teaching Torah. Rebbe is not giving Bo- onl- only giving Bochas and things like this and stories about the Rebbe. The Rebbe's Torah, we can learn with people the Rebbe's Torah. But this is obvious. This is, um, midavek hafinish redning this achron. Absolutely, we have

2:10:13 Speaker 1 to learn Rebbe's sichas, and Hanchos and Sichas and Likutei Sichot, everything. But you hear the Rebbe, again, it's a ibdi ruf that picks you up at... Every-- If every day a person has, you know, sicha yemis, it's a gift to humanity. It's sem minut, it's not a lot. You hear the Rebbe's voice, he puts you in a different place, ibdi ruf a bisel. And the truth is, I was thinking about, people don't understand Yiddish. You know, there is, um, Niguni Isvados. There is Niguni from the Rebbe, the Rebbe singt alein, the Rebbe singing by himself. Listen to Nigun from the Rebbe. Hear the Rebbe's voice. We have-- We, we are so lucky that we have the Rebbe's voice, being able to hear the Rebbe's voice.

2:10:51 Speaker 6 I once heard a recording of a not Lubavitcher person, said he met a Lubavitcher that listens to farbrengens while he's working. The guy was a baal teshuva, so the, the Zaddov speaking says, "I asked him, 'You understand Yiddish?'" He says, "No." So, so he says, "I have a question. Why do you listen to the same one or it's different ones?" Say, "No, it's different." He says, "Why don't you just listen to the same one? You, uh, you don't understand anyways." Says, "No, no, no. Every time it's a whole... Every time there's a whole new thing. It's not the same thing."

2:11:22 Speaker 1 It's right. It's beautiful, and I never heard him say the story. Beautiful. Exactly this. And what, what I, I... Never I talk to anybody to-- I-- That's what I do. I watch v-videos from the Rebbe and I hear tapes from the Rebbe, and I can tell you that a day that you're the Rebbe, you're, you're in a different place. It's not a thing if you don't hear the Rebbe, you're not making kosher. I'm not going to put anybody down. Has the shalom and everybody, everyone has his own way of his cultures, and I don't tell him what to do. But a meal with the Rebbe, it affects the family, it affects the kids, it affects the... Now people ask, many times people ask, "How you have-- How you do-- How you raise Hasidic kids?" The answer is, in my opinion, again, it's only my opinion, with the Don't raise Hasidic kids. Don't do anybody favors. Don't raise them. Be a Hasid. Just the way I learned it from the Rebbe said it in a siche-- in a brief, Rabbi Stein asked him, there is a brief of the, um, um, Rabbi Stein was in Farsendez from Detroit, the menial from the, from the yeshiva dort. And he writes, there is a brief the Rebbe sends to him, and the Rebbe said there is a nun base. The, the sheilo say, "Are you influence from Ira Shamayim by talmidim?" The, the answer, "Leari is dug mechaya." The Rebbe, "Alef mol giuding dug mechaya." People-

2:12:48 Speaker 6 Yeah, I just saw a video, the, the Nan- Nan Libauer. In English, it, it says, "How can I influence my children to be more something?" The Yiddish guy, it says, "By being a living example." The-

2:13:00 Speaker 1 The Rebbe is gezogt thousands of them all. The Rebbe said that thousands... A dug mechaya, every brief, every letter, every day, every time. I hear it by, by the law many times, by the way. Living example. And we-- And just so the Rebbe said it, then I said to my father. My father never told us what to do. I mean, what he told us, we never did. Then let's put it this way. Is to... He used to be very get upset at me if we come late to, in Shabbos and Schul. Like it used to drive him crazy, and it didn't help him. Nothing changed. And what he didn't tell us, what he lived, we did. And therefore, people trying to tell the children, "I'm going to learn with my children this and do with children," cut it out. Just be a Hasid. I don't watch videos that my child should see that I see, I watch a video from the Rebbe. I watch video, my kids are sleeping. I watch videos 'cause I want to watch videos. But somehow they know, they hear, they feel. It's, it's... What I mean to say is every one of us has to be, has to be a Hasid. And when you're a Hasid, the Ribish to tell from the kingdom is actually, if there is somebody come and bring me a pool. Oh, is I... This guy was a Hasid and his child does not. There is also, I heard once from Rabbi Chaikin, uh, uh, Moshe

2:14:11 Speaker 1 says, "Usually there's expression is the apple doesn't fall far from the tree." He says, "This is by Ruach Metzuvo, by, by Ruach Sheina Metzuvo it happens." What I mean to say is that every rule is, um, is a, every claw is a, is a, is a yetzirah claw. But in general, that's what the Rebbe did. The Rebbe inspired Hasidim for shlichas by his example more than what, what he said. The Rebbe, Hasidim Nefesh for, um, from gain to male and for doing, uh, a fortze, for, for bringing, for giving kind dollars, having us so much of us a soul. That inspire... The Rebbe's Hanogia inspired more than what he said. No question about it. But this Nem Rem that was his own Metsias, his own Metsias Nefesh, every minute of his life. Farheen.

2:15:01 Speaker 6 Okay. So I have a question to ask you going backwards. First of all, everything you said is, uh, Mehadrinek, and, uh, in America, they say, "Don't take it to heart," but everyone should take this to heart.

2:15:17 Speaker 1 Thank you.

2:15:19 Speaker 6 Okay. Um, you mentioned about, you know, from the vav, from the bez, you know, it's already... How do you, um, how does that correlate with the whole Mehadrinek, Shtarke, and as the years goes on, stronger and stronger thesis and the way the Rebbe spoke about Mashiach and the way the Rebbe is lifting up the Elul about, about the Gulag? Like, how, how does that fit into this whole picture?

2:15:47 Speaker 1 That it, it was... First of all, the Rebbe, the Rebbe left it, Mashiach. Rebbe used to say every farbrengen, "Az yetz noch far mich a geiter heim Mashiach un a kuk-kuktu funzem." The Rebbe was, the Rebbe, the Rebbe said in Yanion, "I'm crazy. They say that I'm crazy about Mashiach." That was, the Rebbe was Mashiach. Kol mitzvot, he was Mashiach. As I told you before, I used to... After the Rebbe used to strongly speak strong about Mashiach, I used to walk out on the street, think to myself, "Wie geht dem bring Mashiach do? How it's going to happen? The Rebbe speaks of zein shtark, the Rebbe badens, badens of so much." Then, but the, the Mashiach was very strong, especially the Sicha from, uh, Purim Vov. I think Vov it was, yeah. A ganze Sicha with Mashiach. As a gidi, gidi, gi-gi, gidi, them oto the Rebbe shouldn't result in a Sicha.

2:16:29 Speaker 6 Not Sicha, Kehil.

2:16:31 Speaker 1 Yeah. As he gi- gives it over to the people, to the, to the Kehil. And, uh, Kehil oto the Maaseh V'da Kehil oto lob etz ha'vore. As the Nishna Kehil, the ganze rich in the Sicha. Basically, the Rebbe said the same words that the Rebbe said, Tov Shin Nun Alef. Chof Ches Nissan or the Rebbe gezogt Purim Vov. The same words, but the Rebbe to Nun Alef, I remember, I was standing and hearing the Sicha and saying, "Oh, my God, what's now?" Just Pesach passed. We're just starting a routine. It was like the whole world came to an end. I remember the middle of the night, a few hour later, calls me. I have a friend, a Natsarol, a good friend of mine, uh, Zammi Garelik is the Shliach in Beer Sheva. He calls me, tells me, "What's going on?" The, the Rebbe, some, some Ba'al Tshuva, w-w-we heard this-- He had a Ba'al Tshuva, an Israeli Ba'al Tshuva in, in seven seventy. And he heard the, a Chazar from the Sicha. And he calls Zamig Areli, he wakes him up in the middle of the night. He tells him, "The Rebbe !" I told him, "Yalag Zamen, the Rebbe is coming down tomorrow ten o'clock to end out to Davena." The Rebbe gives zero sharp of Sicha, but t-t-the-- He, he taught like the wood. And lately, I heard, and then as Rebbe Leib Gorona asked the Rebbe, "The Elom is, is, uh, for day yet. It's a day later after Chof Tes Nissan."

2:17:57 Speaker 1 The Rebbe said . That's what the Rebbe said. And it just that was... Means the Rebbe showed routine. Continue. Don't worry. Everything is good. Rebbe said the Sicha. But the Rebbe talk very sto-- very strong about Mashiach, and, uh, and I think it was Mem VoV or the Mem Zayin, the Bochim were raising money. The tell-- I think it was... Uh, the Rebbe gives us about, uh, the-- It was an opportunity to bring Mashiach. When was it? Mem Zayin, Mem Zayin. Purim Mem Zayin. Right around Purim Mem Zayin. It's interesting that Rebbe, I'm jumping around from place to place. Um, in tiny sister Mem Zayin, or the Rebbe on given the Haftara from the second, from the second page. The Rebbe didn't start the whole first part of the Haftara. One time, the Rebbe started on the second page, and the Rebbe went back and repeated the whole Haftara completely. This time, the Rebbe didn't. Rebbe said only the half, second half of the Haftara. There were other signs pointing for the Rebbe, Mashiach and this. The Mashiach was un-- in the br- in the everything. What Motme is me freaks shaming by far the far bringings. Ad Mosai, Ad Mosai, Ad Mosai. It was almost like a commercial. Somebody once, I remember, told me that you should ask why it sounds like a commercial. But, uh, but the Mot-Motgi Sengen Ad Mosai, and what do you need more? Like, Motgi Sengen, uh, we want Mashiach now, Motgi Sengen for an hour and a half,

2:19:32 Speaker 1 an hour and forty-five minute. What's the Rebbe exactly at the end of the Sicha? The end of the singing? You know how we felt after the whole singing? It's like somebody takes a bucket of cold water, peels on your head. Basically, we felt like we wasted the Rebbe's time. The, the all far bringing, you can see it on video. The Rebbe doesn't make a face if he likes it or not. Looks around, he says, "L'chaim, L'chaim, L'chaim." The Rebbe could stop the singing in a second. You know, like he, he si- he stop the singing by every Sicha. He would just look ahead for a minute, it would be quiet. One second. Rebbe didn't stop it. Not only this, the whole singing was really motivated by a few guys who didn't... Every time it cooled down, they were like... And the Rebbe looked around kind of who is singing. I'm telling you. And there was I, I, I, it was on Gizet and the f- you know, the two, the two long tables in front of Sevel-- in front of the Rebbe. Somebody was sitting there. A Chossid, who get, got really upset. He opened the Likutei and he started to learn Likutei . And the Rebbe looked at him. The Rebbe looked at him like, like this. I saw the Rebbe look something strong, like a Likutei is. And the Rebbe looked and looked and looked and looked and looked. And the singing started because the Rebbe said in the Sicha before that, Clap

2:21:07 Speaker 1 over this, right? And then the Rebbe said, "You have to be Then you understand what's going on here? Then what do you do? You got it wrong. Basically, guys, you got it wrong. Then it was very hard to know exactly what the... The Rebbe bring Mashiach was so meantone. Even Chof Ches Nissan There would be A language that, that if I have to explain you, I don't need you. So if the Rebbe tell the the moment they said they have to tell their wives, the Rebbe said, "Then, then you're not-- Then they are not on the same page, then they cannot bring Mashiach with the Chevre." Rebbe's often in the Sicha. The same thing is the Rebbe demand Mashiach and then you say, "We'll do more Mivtzoim." Do every, every day the ganz Chabad was busy. Are we convincing the Rebbe to become Mashiach fi-finally, to be Mizgeula? And maybe the, maybe the, the, the, the signing in, maybe this, maybe yes, may... Everybody's Kavana was for one thing. Nobody wanted to, to to the Rebbe. Sometimes people by, by accident. They get wild, and they do something stupid, and the Rebbe is upset. Even the an hour and a half people were singing, nobody was-- They wanted the Rebbe. He's like, "We will sing it." And everybody was singing. the Rebbe was not happy with it. Then you wasted Rebbe's time. Then Mashiach was there all the time, but it was, it was-- What was the Rebbe The Rebbe was... The Rebbe, the Rebbe

2:23:01 Speaker 1 lived it. The Rebbe was-- The Rebbe couldn't live, continue what the Rebbe . It's talking What do I see? Another Sicha, another Sicha. Where I'm going with that? Now it's on level, like the It's unbelievable. Then everybody felt Mashiach in the air. And everybody felt that the ti- the clock is ti- ticking. Should just know. When the Rebbe gezogt, um, when the Rebbe, the Rebbe gave out the first Sefer Erev Rosh Hashanah Tov Shinun, the Likutim ve-Oros of Tzemach Tzedek, the Rebbe said, "Ich gib a siever far maskeres-- Ich gib es far maskeres netzach." The word maskeres netzach didn't make anybody happy. Nobody talked about it, but everybody was thinking about it. It was like a, "Ugh." And the whole... And I remember, um, Yut Tov Shinun. Yeah. And we came for Yut Tov. It was Nachas Haboim, Haboim Shana, right? Shleshim Shana, it was git-- giton Lubavitcher Yekket. Soloveitchik came. It's unbelievable, right? And the Rebbe ot gish kiloytn kaves Nachas Haboim. There is no farboingen bachlal. The Rebbe's of Neil. You know what they played in seven seventy on their microphones? The Mimer from Yut Tov Shinudalev. Then it was Nisgaligi boom.

2:24:37 Speaker 6 Mm-hmm.

2:24:38 Speaker 1 You know how you feel when the Rebbe is do, and you need to hear the Mimer from Tov Shinudalev? It was a terrible feeling. It was like, "What's going on here?" Maybe some people knew the Rebbe is going to give out a Tanya, and it's going to-- and the Rebbe is going to zogen a sif. But you know the Rebbe ze-- But the feeling was kifer. I-- At least I felt, "Eh, what is going on here? It's not farboingen far sidim. We are-- Everybody alone is, is fakvedcht un fakertz. The, the Rebbe is-- doesn't feel good, and, and, and, and there is no farboingens, and this is Yut Tov, the Chas Haboim, and gornisht Haboim Shana." The whole atmosphere was a zein, a zein kind of eff- depressing. But the Rebbe's gashmius life was so not gashmius dik that one day he didn't feel good. The other day when you think he doesn't feel good, he feels good. Then he has absolutely stay there. The Rebbe vert uvergelebt. The gashmius of Rebbe was rochnius, that you never knew how to measure it. Then one day he looks amazing and smiling and beautiful, and he walks fast. The other day, Rebbe got slow and fuck-- and, and, and a little bent down. The Rebbe was not a ish gashmi. Then you-- The whole-- That was like a, a Holocaust over the Rebbe in seven seventy. The whole this, at least my, my years. Guteteig, Simchas Torah, Mem Perez, they were given unbelievable, right? Tov Shim Mem

2:26:06 Speaker 1 Perez, Simchas Torah, Shmini Atzeres was never l- before and never after. And the Rebbe, not only this, I was standing there by the Hakofes for Mem Perez. I was standing in the middle. You know, you need to understand, until Mem Perez, the Rebbe used to dance with Rashag by the Hakofes. It was a minute and a half. The Hakofes was a minute and a half, maybe two minutes. Everybody used to go see, and boom, everybody's going back. The Hakofes was over. Rashag used to barely dancing. I think he also did that even in the latter years, like he can't because he didn't want the Rebbe zeche-- uh, Rebbe should d-dance too much. The bottom line is the Ikra Hakofes was in front. The Rebbe, he macht mit end. That was the Ikra Hakofes. From Tov Shim Mem Perez, when Rashag didn't dance with the Rebbe, Hakofes became in the middle, the Ikra. The Rebbe danced, danced alone. It was a lakuz begiloy. It was unbelievable. And this year, the Rebbe danced, and the Rebbe-- You could see how the Rebbe is going around. He makes circles. He holds the Sefeterem between Sefeteres, up and down, up and down, the little Sefeter. And the Rebbe is, is, is looking on every line. He's like, "Say care-- The gantze neilom." He goes, makes one circle, then he goes higher, then he goes higher, then he's going higher. But gizem be'chusha, the Rebbe is looking on every person seven seventy. It was amazing to see it. And the

2:27:30 Speaker 1 Hakofes took a long time. I know, I don't have the yomim. I couldn't-- I didn't look at the clock. I'm not sure the people looked at the clock. I was... But-- And then the Rebbe went back to his place, and nog amol. The Rosh Minyateres, it was unbelievable. And the Rebbe would get him with the farboigen as he was magdim the simche, as if it demise without... I think the idea is magdim before, be-- kilo, before Shmi-Simchas Torah, he made the big Ikra Simchas Shmini Atzeres. And then the next morning, they, they made sure already that the-- they added a, a stage in the middle. The Rebbe was standing high. And since then, from Mem Perez until Num Beis, every Hakofes was beautiful, amazing. No, it was never like the M-Mem Perez, but even Num Beis, I was there. I, I was ten se-- ten suchodeteres by the Rebbe. For Mem Perez was a different world. And, and, uh, and then, and, and even the Rebbe used to dance, and the talises used to fall down, and... But still, I remember Tov Shin Num Beis, the Rebbe going in tzuroik for Hakofes by day.

2:28:28 Speaker 6 You were on Shlichas already?

2:28:30 Speaker 1 Yeah, but I came from Shlichas Torah. I came back. I just left the Shlichas. I left Tov Tov Nin Alef. And I came back for Sukes. I was Rosh Hashana Yom Kippur in Solon, the first time we had a, a, a davening year service. And my shver wrote later, Motzei Yom Kippur, my shver wrote a answer and wrote a, a report to the Rebbe at Duchfons from, uh, in the new-- the first time in the history, as he know, it was services in Solon. And the Rebbe came for the day after Yom Kippur, two days after Yom Kippur. I-- And I only discovered the tears later. Maybe my shver told me, maybe not. I don't remember. Actually, Zaklikovski, when he printed the book, Yemei Beracho, I meet him by the Ohel. He tells me, "Oh, I have a new book." The first book, he bra-- he came to bring it to the Rebbe. I said, "What's the book?" Fine. I started to look. He tells me, "By the way, you are mentioned here." I said, "I'm mentioned here? What do I have to do with this?" So it was a Shlichas. I opened it in the back, and there is answers. The Rebbe write, um, Satio Psos Davis, "O-Oh ve, uh, olech ve, ve yehei be'hatsloche olech ve'er bechol ze. Yehei le'hatsloche olech ve'er bechol ze azkera latzion." And since then, in Solon, it's olech ve'er bechol ze.

2:29:44 Speaker 6 Mm-hmm.

2:29:45 Speaker 1 But then-- But, but I came, but I came Motzei-- And I came, I mean, Rosh Hashana Yom Kippur. Actually, it was like this. My shver was Rosh Hashana. Rosh Hashana, he, he, he came with me. You need to understand, I didn't speak one word in English. I'm going to have services. He don't speak English. Rosh Hashana, my shver came, and he, he came to the round of minyan. The first day, we had a minyan. Second day was no minyan. My shver was disappointed, you know. The second train, Rosh Hashana is so many years. He's not a youngster. No minyan, no gornisht. And we advertised it, Rosh Hashana in the newspaper, it's going to be services all over the new- all over the newspaper. Yom Kippur, phone keeper tells me, "Zusha, four in New York. We don't need Yom Kippur in Solon." It didn't work. I told him, "If I promise it's going to be Yom Kippur in Solon, I don't care if I'll be there myself." I promised it in the newspaper it's going to be Yom Kippur, it's going to be Yom Kippur. Then he tells me, "I'm not going." I said, "Okay, I understand. How is your dinas?" He, he, he had the shul, he had the whole community. What he did for me, Rosh Hashanah, was unbelievable. He left his whole community, and he came with me to be in a motel. We had nothing. We had-- I didn't even live in Solon. I lived with Meshech, Meshech's house. We, we rented

2:30:51 Speaker 1 a motel. It was a-- The motel doesn't even exist today. And it was, was like a party room, two rooms, gornisht. And we bought the, uh, Sefer Torah, you know, like every shliach who starts. Came Yom Kippur, I bought it, Michoel Halévsky, my brother-in-law. He was a bocher then. And he run the services, and, and, and, uh, we had a minyan for Kol Nidre and for Shacharit and Musaf and for Neilah, for everything. It was unbelievable. Uh, it's not hap-- I didn't expect anything like this. Then Motza'ei Kippur, Meshech wrote this, this, uh... But after Yom Kippur, I went to New York, right a- right after Yom Kippur. A day later, I think my friend, uh, Itzie Goldsmith is a shliach, I mentioned before, he got married a day later. And we-- I came to the wedding. Then I remember Simchat Torah, in the morning, Hakafot. After Hakafot, the Rebbe began in tzurec. The Rebbe was already the full sort of, uh, the... The night before, the first-- the night of Hakafot, they had a chair in front of the Rebbe, a tall chair, not the regular chair. The Rebbe should bea, be able to bend down on it. And all of the Hakafot, the Rebbe was almost didn't make it his end of Shemini Atzeret. He, he was collecting his strength to be able to go to the seventh Hakafa. You see how he's like resting. And then, then he went to seventh Haka-- It was, it was not like in Mem, Mem, Mem,

2:32:12 Speaker 1 Mem, it was, it was, it was different. Not clear. Everybody saw it. Then when the Rebbe bent back, there were no Motza'ei Rosh Hashanah. Yechi Adoneinu, Morenu Ve'Rabbeinu, the Rebbe to do with the Sefer Torah, and the Rebbe encouraged to the tune. Yechi Adoneinu, Morenu Ve'Rabbeinu, Yechi. The Rebbe is doing it. And Leibele goes behind him, and he's making with the hand like this. The Rebbe Rosh Hashanah, Morenu... You know, Leibele is to take L'Chaim, Rebbe going is to take L'Chaim, uh, on Simchat Torah day. Then everybody felt what's going on. The Yechi Adoneinu, Morenu Ve'Rabbeinu was a prayer. Everybody-- The Rebbe is all saying gezunt. Part of the Rebbe was saying gezunt. This was... You understand? That was from No- Nun Vav. It was-- The, then Moshiach was the answer for the Yechi Adoneinu, Morenu Ve'Rabbeinu. They went together. It was one big mix. Nobody knew exactly what to do to bring Moshiach. Bring Moshiach. No. Rebbe's doctrine by farbrengen, I mentioned before, "Gate of exile to Galus." No, no, no. I'm telling you, gate of exile to Galus. Okay? Go where? Where is the Galut? Then it's, uh, to be a Chassid of the Rebbe is demanding.

2:33:18 Speaker 7 So I second. So Chavzain Adar happened again, Mottaamas happened, so we, we, we didn't do it.

2:33:24 Speaker 1 Yes, still here. Taker we conquer the world. What's going on today in the world and what's going on where, uh, before, before Chavzain Adar is a different world. It literally a different world. What was impossible to do when I came to Shlichus and when Meshech came in the seventies, but today is a different world. Today every... It's, it's, it's we are in a different universe. And so the, the Rebbe's, the Rebbe, the Rebbe conquered the world. But we never bring the Moshiach. The bottom line is we have to bring Moshiach. Until in, by the Rebbe, until the bottom line, if you didn't bring the bot- The Rebbe said when it was with the Sforim from Russia, somebody came to the, to g- to g- uh, congratulate the Rebbe by dollars that the Sforim coming, and the Rebbe said, "As a, as a Litvak, bizah tzelteh shtibel, a Gnitish bizah tzelteh shtibel." A Litvak doesn't believe until he counts. That was the Rebbe. Don't tell me what you wanted to do, what's about to do. I want to hear you did or you didn't. When it was there with the Mivtza Sefer Torah, Yad Eysov, the Rebbe says, "A cooking stone of the numbers, it's me give on Epech liftik in degen, Epech liftik." Remember, if you're talking it to all me, where did this bottom line, how many kids you have registered in the Sefer, in the Sefer, Sefer Torah clothing, in Sefer Torah from Yad Eysov? Remember, I was in Israel still. We were

2:34:41 Speaker 1 standing up our whole shvuet, erev shvuet for me, but it was a farbrengen from the Rebbe to Rebbe-

2:34:46 Speaker 7 Farbrengen, yeah

2:34:47 Speaker 1 ... And, and then, and then the whole day I was in Israel, and we wake up three o'clock and four o'clock in the morning, then nine o'clock mid-arvut, and we went the whole day standing in, in the, in the Tahana Mekalit in Tel Aviv, in the main bus station, a whole day in the meshugana heat in Eretz Yisrael to finding some people more to register because the Rebbe was saying, uh, emergency. If it was shaking the duch far shvuet zero. Then by the Rebbe, as I told you before, it was a boot camp. Nobody was having a picnic now. The Rebbe worked very hard, and he demanded from everybody. And the Rebbe, he said, "You do it." The Rebbe, he said, "Ich mon from zi hundred mal mero." Then the Rebbe didn't rest for one second, and the, uh, the older the Rebbe got, he worked harder. I want to give you an example. Tov Shin Mem Alef. I once, once Simchat Torah by night, I was here. I said, "Tuch nisht geshllafen." You know, Simchat Torah, I, I couldn't... I wasn't myself. I decided I'm going to count. I have a Yoman from Tov Shin Mem A- Mem Alef. How many times the Rebbe went to the Ohel as on the Tov Shin Mem Alef? Here, forty times, maybe forty-one. I think forty times. How many times the Rebbe-- Then I counted Tov Shin Nun. I have another book of Tov Shin Nun. What do you think? How many times the Rebbe went to

2:36:03 Speaker 1 Tov Shin Nun?

2:36:05 Speaker 7 The Rebbe's going at least twice a week, so it's-

2:36:08 Speaker 1 The Rebbe went 120 days to Doyle. What means 120 days to Doyle? Take off Shabbos and Yom Tov. Take off days for when, when a tzara li for kids or a fe- atonement, the Rebbe going in atonement. It's almost every day. Rebbe used to go Sunday. Tov Shimun, the Rebbe going Sunday. You know what mean Sunday? I'll never forget Tov Shimun tes, the Rebbe's the one coming from there. Parshas Nosy, it's in Mameshitz. See, when Sunday, the Rebbe give out dollars until one o'clock, usually one thirty, two o'clock. Then he went to the mikveh, then he went to Doyle. The Rebbe came from Doyle late at night, ten thirty, chassidus, around ten o'clock. They give out mikvah ma'ariv. Ten o'clock by now, you know mikvah ma'ariv. Later, the Rebbe give out a sicha of 45 minute. Nosy, it's a A schwerer sicha. And after the sicha, the Rebbe give them dollars. The Rebbe came out on 770, 11:40 at night. Tov Shimun tes. When you're 20 years old, you're not capable for such things. Rebbe was 88. What was the Rebbe Tov Shimun tes? Something like this. And that's-- And then when the Rebbe give out-- When the Rebbe used to give out many... I remember Tov Shimun alef, I was-- Tov Shi- Tov Shimun alef, I was still in Kolnites. Rebbe give out, uh-uh, one of the kuntresim. It was a freezing cold night. The Rebbe, it was late at night, and the Modi Boiton 770, the expansion then. Then you couldn't stand in

2:37:40 Speaker 1 770. You had to go and stay outside. People were standing with babies crying. Ten o'clock by night, 11 o'clock by night, standing on, freezing cold, waiting to get, to get a, a kevitz from the Rebbe, a kuntres. It was... The Rebbe said, "You'll sleep another time." The Rebbe, And this urgency you get when you're the Rebbe's chassidus. You start to live with the Rebbe. You start to become a part of this. It gives you chayas, it gives you life. What I mean to say is, people think they cannot be chassidim like Amol. It's nonsense. You can be a Bochur in 770 today as much as you were a Bochur in 770. And actually, Amol 770 to be a Bochur of 770. And you can be anywhere in the world and be a Bochur of 770.

2:38:41 Speaker 7 Okay. I, I think, uh, we'll, we'll end off on a high note. And, uh- That, uh, I'll say it again. Okay, Rebbe Grumer-

2:38:54 Speaker 1 Thank you.

2:38:54 Speaker 7 Appreciate it. And, uh, thank you for the hesederus.

2:39:00 Speaker 1 I-I'm meseir. I speak. I'm, I, I have to misbe'el myself, not just others.

2:39:04 Speaker 7 Okay. You did a, you did a great job.

2:39:07 Speaker 1 Thank you very much. You too.