0363 - Do We Say Avinu Malkeinu When Tachnun is not Said

00:00 In the farbrengen of Vov Tishrei Tov Shin Lamed Heh, the Rebbe spoke about saying Avinu Malkeinu in a tefillah that we do not say Tachnon. For instance, we know that we say Avinu Malkeinu the whole week of Aseres Yemei Teshuva. We say Avinu Malkeinu when there's a tonis. The question is, if there is a bris then, or a chosun is there, when we don't say Tachnon, do we say Avinu Malkeinu or not? So in this farbrengen of Vov Tishrei Tov Shin Lamed Heh, the Rebbe explained and brought ra'ayas that we do not say Avinu Malkeinu in that tefillah. That means that if it's a tefillah that we do not say Tachnon for whatever reason, a bris, a chosun, or whatever it is, we also do not say Avinu Malkeinu in that tefillah. Before that, it was not really so clear, even though there were times that the Rebbe did show not to say Avinu Malkeinu in a situation like this. I think when Harav Zalman Voshansky was a chosun, in the middle of the Sheva Berachos was a tonis, and the Rebbe showed that to not to say Avinu Malkeinu. But still it wasn't a hundred percent clear because the Rebbe didn't speak about it, and it doesn't say in Sefer HaMinhagim. It wasn't clear whether we really don't say Avinu Malkeinu in a tefillah we do not say Tachnon. But in this farbrengen of Vov Tishrei Tov Shin Lamed Heh, the Rebbe made it very clear that we do not say Avinu Malkeinu in

01:18 a tefillah that we do not say Tachnon. But I do wanna mention that something else. Reb Dovid Rapaport reminded me of what happened when he was a chosun. He got married before Shevuos Rabbeinu Tammuz Tov Shin Chof Daled. That year, Shevuos Rabbeinu Tammuz was Shabbos, Shabbos Nitzchah, the famous farbrengen of Shevuos Rabbeinu Tammuz Tov Shin Chof Daled when the Rebbe was very freilach, a whole thing that I explained in one of the voice notes. And his chosunah was before that, so he was a chosun that Shabbos. He was also a chosun Sunday, which was the day of the tonis, the Nitzchah of Shevuos Rabbeinu Tammuz. And he was there by Mincha, and they didn't say Tachnon, obviously. But after the chosun finished Chazarat Hashatz, Dr. Zeligson, who was the one that would stand by the Aron Kodesh always, and whenever they had to open the Aron Kodesh, whether it was for Krias Hatorah or for Avinu Malkeinu, he would be the one to open it. So as soon as the chosun finished Chazarat Hashatz, there was no Tachnon, he opened the Aron Kodesh for Avinu Malkeinu. The Rebbe looked and pointed with his hand to the chosun as if, why did you open the Aron Kodesh for say Avinu Malkeinu? We don't say Avinu Malkeinu. But then the Rebbe made with his hands, ah. In other words, "Okay, since it's open already, we'll say Avinu Malkeinu." So they did say Avinu Malkeinu that tefillah. Now exactly what to learn from here, everyone can do on

02:35 his own. You could say maybe this was because before it was established that clearly we do not say Avinu Malkeinu when we don't say Tachnon because of a chosun, et cetera. Vemaaleh since it wasn't clear, so if they opened the Aron Kodesh already, vemaaleh the Rebbe said to say it. I don't know. Maybe the Rebbe holds that even though we do not say Avinu Malkeinu when there is a chosun, nevertheless, if the Aron Kodesh is open, then it's a bizayon for the Aron Kodesh not to say it, therefore we do say it. Could be that's the reason. I don't know. But this is what happened, that they opened the Aron Kodesh thinking to say Avinu Malkeinu, and the Rebbe made with his hand that really you shouldn't do it, but then he made with his hand that since it's open already, the Rebbe said Avinu Malkeinu.