0252 - R' Chaim Gutnik - Complaints Against Lubavitch

00:00 Rabbi Chaim Gutnick, who was from the Chofshefs to Rabbonim in Australia, came to the Rebbe the first time in the Chofs. I don't remember it was Chof Dalet, Chof He. Some of those years he came. He came for Tishrei, and the Rebbe was very much mekarev him. He was a person who learned in Litvy, he learned in Tels. So they say that the Rebbe suggested to him that during his stay in America, he should go visit the Rosh Yeshivas of Tels. So he went during Aseres Yemichu for one day. He went to Tels and he made up with them. Obviously, he's gonna meet them. And I remember when he came back, you could see on his face he was oysmentch. He was completely confused. And he said because he sat with the Rosh Yeshivas for a few hours and they push and bombarded him with kashas on Lubavitch, with ta'anis against Lubavitch. And he came back completely setumel, completely mevovel. It got to the Rebbe, maybe he himself wrote this to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe said he should come in to Yechidus and the Rebbe will speak to him. So I just remember two points now of what he said, told over what the Rebbe said to him. One point is one of the kashas they had, it was not long then that they built a building in Kvarchabad for one of the meisdrs, and they called it Beis Shazar, the house of Shazar. So the ta'ana was, how could you give a name,

01:14 a meisdr, with the name of Shazar? And they referred to Shazar as a rosha, because he was a tzaddist, a this or that, whatever they said. And how could you name a Torah institution with a name of like this, Beis Shazar? So on that, the Rebbe answered him, and he gave two examples. Now, I don't remember if both examples were given by the Rebbe or one of the two examples, and he added the other one. But the teichem was that we find in the Beis Hamikdash that the Beis Hamikdash was called Beis Hordas. After Hordas rebuilt the Beis Hamikdash, it was known as Beis Hordas. And the Rebbe said, "Vi kumt Hordas to Shazar?" Hordas is much worse than Shazar, and nevertheless, they gave it the name Beis Hordas. And the other example was from Sha'ari Nikner. And the gates in the Beis Hamikdash was called Sha'ari Nikner. Nikner was a person that was worse than Shazar. And how could you give a name? L'ma'ai, we see that we can do it. So I don't remember what he chazered over if the Rebbe said both examples or one of the two examples, and he added the other one. But this was the teichem, that this is not a problem. And the Rebbe spoke to many more things, kashas that they had, which I don't remember at the moment. But I just remember also that he said, second thing, that the Rebbe told him, "Adarabe, if they have any ta'anis that I do things chas veshalom,

02:27 not according to halacha, let them come and I'll show you. I'll show them how everything they do is ois gehaltin api halacha. And if they wanna know, let them come and I will show them."