0092 - R' Zalman Vileinkin Part 3

00:00 Another thing that my Zayde told me, Reb Negera, Reb Levi Yitzchak, that he was once sitting, I think it was by a farbrengen that Reb Levi Yitzchak was farbrengen, or it was by a shir that he was giving. But anyway, he was there when someone asked him a shaila. And the shaila was like this. We know it says in Tanya that things which are forbidden, which you're not allowed to eat, are called osur. The reason they're called osur, because the word osur means tied. Since these are things which are tied in sholosh klipos at meyas l'gamre, which is the real klipa that a person cannot elevate, you cannot be mevarer, that's why they're osur. Things which are mutar, mutar means untied, because it's not tied to sholosh klipos at meyas l'gamre. They're connected to klipos nega, which is a lower level of klipa, but that is something that you could be mevarer, you could be meili, you could elevate. So he asked him a shaila. There are certain things which became osur that the Rabbonim made osur, but before that it was mutar. Now, if it was mutar before that, that means it's not tied to sholosh klipos at meyas l'gamre. So what's the pshat that the Chachamim made it osur? If it's not tied to the sholosh klipos at meyas l'gamre, then it shouldn't be osur, then you should be able to elevate it. If it's only connected to klipos nega, you should be able to elevate it. So what's the pshat that the

01:17 Chachamim said that it's osur to, forbidden to be eaten or used? And this is what Reb Levi Yitzchak answered. He said that there are certain things which even though they're connected to sholosh, to, not to sholosh klipos at meyas, but to klipos nega, which therefore they are mutar, they are untied of the sholosh klipos at meyas. But not always is the connection to klipos nega the same. Certain things are much deeper and rooted into the sh, klipos nega. And you have to have a strong koach to be able to be meili, to be able to elevate it from klipos nega, even from klipos nega. And therefore, in the earlier generations when people were in a higher madrega, so these things, even though they're deep, deep into klip, sholosh, into klipos nega, nevertheless, these people in the higher madrega were able to take it out from there and be meili, to be mevarer it, and to elevate it. But those other years when the Chachamim made the issur is because they saw that the people now in a lower madrega, and they have no koach to elevate it, because it's so deep into klipos nega that you can't elevate it unless you're great. And since these people are not now from then on, people are not so great, that's why the Chachamim said that osur, because now take it, it's tied in such a way that you can't take it out. That's how he answered. Now, I'm just adding that l'chure, the whole shaila is only

02:34 based if we hold that every issur deRabbonim is a issur chefza. We know there is a whole discussion if when the Rabbonim made something osur, is it the issur on the object, that the ob-object is forbidden, or it's a issur on the person, means they told the person, "We forbid you from eating that or using that object." So if you learn it's only a issur on the person, then it, the Chacham could do it, even though this is be'emes mutar, and it still stays mutar, untied from klipa. But it seems like that the kasha that was asked was based on the, a sheita that holds that the issur deRabbonim, like it's mashum from Tanya, is also a issur on the chefza, on the object. So the kasha is, if it was mutar before, it means it's not really tied to sholosh klipos at meyas. So what's the pshat the Chachamim made that osur? And if we learn that they made the object osur, what's the pshat? And that's where he gave the answer that it's like a tied to klipos nega, but it's tied, tied so deep that unless you're in high madrega, you cannot be meili, and therefore the Chachamim said that it's osur.