0054 - Tachnun When Chosson not Davening with Minyan

00:01 Tuv Shin Chof Hei, the Rebbe davened for the Omed, the year of Avelas after his mother. So remember that the first Chosn that came out that he should be there because the Rebbe's davened for the Omed, which would mean that the Rebbe wouldn't have to say Tachna by that filler, was the Chosn, his name was Shpilman, and he came to the Rebbe's minyan when the Rebbe davened for the Omed Shacharis. Now, a Chosn doesn't usually come too early the day after his Chasana, so he didn't come too early, so he didn't come at the beginning of davening. When he came, the minyan was already close to Chazaras HaShatz, so he came in, they pushed him in in the front, so when the Rebbe will finish Chazaras HaShatz, he will see him, he will see the Chosn and not say Tachna. When it came to the end of Chazaras HaShatz, Rabbi Groner, I don't remember if he said something to the Rebbe or he gave the Rebbe a note, but the point was that there is a Chosn here, so we don't say Tachna. So the Rebbe turned around to see who is the Chosn. He had come late, he didn't put on Talison Film yet, so he's standing there without Talison Film, and they pushed him up in front, so the Rebbe saw him. When the Rebbe saw him, the Rebbe asked him, Has Gedavened mit minyan? Did you daven with the minyan? It was obvious that he didn't daven with the minyan, he wasn't

01:10 wearing Talison Film, but the Rebbe asked it, like officially asked him, did you daven with the minyan? And he said no. So the Rebbe said, Vos is the din, a case like this, when a Chosn is by minyan, but he didn't daven with the minyan. Vos is at the minyan, but he didn't daven with the minyan. Vu is Arov? Where is the Arov? Reb Shmuel Levitan was there, he used to daven with that minyan. So he walked over to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe asked him, what's the din? So Reb Shmuel Levitan answered, Zol the Chosn Arov is gain. In other words, not to go into any shailas, let the Chosn walk out of the minyan. So meila, there won't be any shailas. So the Chosn walked out, and the Rebbe continued and said Tachna because the Chosn wasn't there. Now, from then on, what happened was that everybody knew that anybody, any Chosn or anybody who would come in order to save the Tachna from the minyan had to be davening with the minyan. And if he didn't daven with the minyan, he wouldn't come because the Rebbe here clearly asked that question, and the end was that the Chosn should go out. Now, I'm not sure that this means that the Rebbe held that the Chosn didn't daven with the minyan, but he's in shul that we do say Tachna. It could be only that the Rebbe didn't want that in his minyan, where he is the Chosn, that should come out as

02:22 a psak. Why am I saying it? Because other times, when the pashas, the Rebbe knew the Chosn wasn't davening with the minyan, the minyan didn't say Tachna. The moshel, when the Chosn would take the seder by the Rebbe the day of the Chasana. So the seder was, the Rebbe would give him the seder on the way to Minche. The Rebbe came into Minche. The Chosn also took the seder, went from the other side, and went into the minyan by Minche. And by Minche, every time the Chosn stood throughout the whole minyan of Minche by the Rebbe at 3.15. But it was obvious the Chosn didn't daven with the minyan because the Chosn would afterwards go privately, daven by Yechidas and say Alchet, etc. So it was known that he didn't daven with the minyan. Nevertheless, every time this happened, the minyan did not say Tachna. And the Rebbe saw it. So obviously, we feel that even if he didn't daven with the minyan, you still don't say Tachna. But it seems like the Rebbe didn't want that from his davening for Domit, he should be the one to pasken. I don't know. That's a possibility. And why am I saying it as a possibility? Because there was another time where, I don't know which way we can learn from it, when there was somebody who came from Eretz Yisrael, and it was Yuchvat when the Rebbe davened for Domit. This was Yuchvat Tov Shin Chof Gimel. And the Rebbe had an Aliyah, and the Rebbe

03:30 had Shlishi. Right after Shlishi, you're supposed to say Kadesh. And the Rebbe was supposed to say Kadesh. This person said Gemel, bench Gemel right there before Kadesh. So by the Fabregen Yuchvat, the Rebbe spoke about this very strongly, that you can't be mafsik between the Aliyah and Kadesh. Kadesh is supposed to go down in the Aliyah, and therefore you shouldn't do anything in between. And therefore you can't say, you shouldn't bench Gemel in between. And the Rebbe went into the details of benching Gemel, etc., etc. But the Rebbe said that by Emes, even if it wouldn't be my Aliyah, it's my minyan, therefore I should have been Meche. Certainly if this happened by my Aliyah, that after my Aliyah, right away, this person said Gemel. So the Rebbe made it clear, I want to be Mediyah, that this was not done with my Haskamah, and this is not the right thing to do, etc., etc. But here I saw that the Rebbe said that because it was his minyan, that means a minyan that he davened for Domit, because Yuchvat, the Rebbe davened for Domit, he has to make a Machor. Certainly if it was his Aliyah. His Mashmeh that the Rebbe felt that if it's his minyan, that seems like it's his Haskamah. If it's not his minyan, so then what the minyan does is not on his responsibility. And it's probably like the Rebbe said many times in the name of the Rebbe Rashab, that the Friediger Rebbe said, that anything that has

04:46 to do with the Anhoges of the Shul, he doesn't mix in. So therefore, by the other times, the Rebbe didn't say anything when the Chosn came with the Seder. But here it was the Rebbe's minyan, the Rebbe davened for Domit, that's why he said it. So I'm not sure exactly which one this, I don't know if we can learn out from here exactly what to do if the Chosn doesn't daven the minyan. But this is the Meise that happened Tov Shin Chof Hei with that Chosn that came late and didn't daven with the minyan.