Connection to Essence | Episode 5 | Giving in Selflessness

00:00 Speaker 1 Okay, Connection to the Essence. Sara’le, how are you?

00:02 Speaker 2 Baruch Hashem, honestly, baruch Hashem.

00:04 Speaker 1 Yeah.

00:05 Speaker 2 How are you? Yeah.

00:05 Speaker 1 What do you mean when you say “baruch Hashem”?

00:08 Speaker 2 Baruch Hashem.

00:10 Speaker 1 Baruch Hashem, thank Hashem.

00:11 Speaker 2 Thank Hashem, absolutely.

00:13 Speaker 1 One day I have to film for you how Libi says Modeh Ani in the morning, with such gratitude to Hashem. She really, really is a child of gratitude and a gift. Wow, how much I talk about Libi.

00:23 Speaker 2 Libi—Libi is the goddess of love, I told you.

00:24 Speaker 1 Right. And now she also has this thing where I daven in the morning, and then I’m on my phone. So every day she makes sure I daven to Hashem, and then go on my phone, in that order.

00:37 Speaker 2 She really makes sure you daven to Hashem.

00:39 Speaker 1 That you actually say the words when you daven to Hashem.

00:40 Speaker 2 What does she do on Shabbos when you don’t daven?

00:42 Speaker 1 No, she knows that on Shabbos, uh...

00:44 Speaker 2 No, so does she make sure you daven then too, or is that...?

00:46 Speaker 1 Less so.

00:46 Speaker 2 Less so.

00:47 Speaker 1 But it’s really sweet. So baruch Hashem, thank Hashem. Really, to live with gratitude.

00:52 Speaker 2 Completely.

00:53 Speaker 1 Uh, what do we want to talk about today?

00:56 Speaker 2 You mentioned gratitude, and one of the subjects that I think occupies me most in life—or that people who know me probably hear me talk about most—is abundance.

01:04 Speaker 1 What does abundance mean to you?

01:06 Speaker 2 First of all, abundance—the word that always comes to mind with it is simply “giving.” We’re always talking about giving, giving, giving. And in Hebrew, the word for abundance is right there inside the word for giving.

01:16 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

01:17 Speaker 2 And, and...

01:18 Speaker 1 What does it mean to give?

01:20 Speaker 2 That’s exactly what I’m saying: every soul that comes into the world—and we’ve said this a million times, and I think it’s the most important thing—comes to share its goodness. Every soul really has something special and unique. You say about Libi that it’s obvious she came to bring love into the world, and every person comes to bring something into the world. There’s no such thing as a soul coming down into this world when it isn’t needed, or by mistake. There are no mistakes. And everyone really does have their own particular way of giving. Lots of people might say, “What am I? Who am I?” as if it’s humility, but... that isn’t humility. In a way, it’s selfish to say “Who am I?” when you really are part of everyone, you’re part of it all.

01:59 Speaker 1 Do you really think every person...

02:01 Speaker 2 Every person.

02:02 Speaker 1 Can have an impact on a lot of people?

02:03 Speaker 2 Every person, yes.

02:05 Speaker 1 There’s room in the world for that? I understand there is, but ultimately, in the world there’s...

02:12 Speaker 2 Endless room.

02:13 Speaker 1 Yes, but there are all kinds of people. Some people keep more to themselves, and some are very, very good at making an impact one-on-one.

02:21 Speaker 2 But the impact happens. Ultimately, you’re always having an impact; you’re having an impact on everyone. It’s about how we think of it.

02:28 Speaker 1 Without even knowing it.

02:29 Speaker 2 I might think that if I speak now and some kind soul writes to thank me for doing this or that, then I have some indication that I’ve had an impact. And that’s fine, but we’re part of circles of influence. It’s not...

02:40 Speaker 1 You’re in a position where, through what you do, you reach one-to-many. You do things for a lot of people. So when you do something for many people, you have a greater impact.

02:50 Speaker 2 A person who came to bring tranquility into the world—when that person is tranquil, they spread their tranquility throughout the whole world.

02:58 Speaker 1 So you see even a simple act of giving that way? If I give you something with a warm smile, I’ve had an impact on the whole world?

03:08 Speaker 2 On the whole world.

03:08 Speaker 1 Oh, that’s a different way of looking at it. Interesting.

03:09 Speaker 2 We’re in circles, we’re in circles. Ultimately, we interact with each other. We’re only separate on the outside; in our souls, we’re alike. We’re so alike, and we depend on one another. There’s no way I can wake up in the morning and say, “Okay, nobody needs me today.” If I woke up, it means the world needs what I have to give, my uniqueness, today. And this shows up in different ways. Like I said, if someone’s role is to bring tranquility into the world, then even just being present in the moment and feeling tranquil—feeling that, right now, they truly lack nothing—that has an impact on everyone. You have an impact on every...

03:41 Speaker 1 I picture it like waves.

03:44 Speaker 2 It’s not like waves. It is waves.

03:45 Speaker 1 It’s waves.

03:45 Speaker 2 It’s circles, one inside another. And it goes on forever.

03:50 Speaker 1 You’ve just changed the way I see this. I thought some people were in positions to influence others, and they had an impact on a lot of people. And you’re saying no, you don’t even need to meet those people. You could be out in the desert doing something good, and you’ve had an impact.

04:06 Speaker 2 Right. Some people have an impact through leadership, and those are the people you’ll hear called influential. They can shape public opinion, for example, or be social-media “influencers”—and I’m putting that in quotes. Because that’s their ability; that’s what makes them unique. But that doesn’t mean a quiet person, or an introvert, has no impact.

04:26 Speaker 1 Because when people talk about “What’s my shlichus? What’s my purpose?” so much of it comes down to having an impact and changing things—changing the world, leaving a mark. Something like that. And it can leave out people who aren’t... And you’re saying no: through what each person does, through the good they bring into the world from within themselves, the world—the whole world—benefits.

04:47 Speaker 2 Absolutely.

04:47 Speaker 1 But you see it too.

04:48 Speaker 2 Even with people who want to know their purpose but don’t know what it is, I’ll ask, “What do you want to do?” And eventually I’ll ask, “And then what? Why? What would you gain from that?” When they really get to the heart of it, people arrive at one emotion or one feeling. They’ll say, “Because ultimately I want tranquility.” And then I’ll say, “Okay, that tranquility—that’s what you ultimately bring into the world, if tranquility is what it is.” Some people will want to bring tranquility. If I explore this with you now... Let’s even do it with us. What do you bring into the world?

05:20 Speaker 1 Today?

05:20 Speaker 2 Yes.

05:22 Speaker 1 Especially over the last two weeks, it’s been giving—giving generously.

05:26 Speaker 2 Okay, because you’ve gone straight to it. You know exactly what it is. But if you’d told me, “I don’t know,” and I’d asked you, “What do you want?”

05:32 Speaker 1 Do you think I’d tell you I don’t know?

05:33 Speaker 2 No, tell me what you do know, because ultimately that’s the truth.

05:36 Speaker 1 Because today I... But I’ll tell you in a moment why, and how I came to that.

05:39 Speaker 2 But why? Why is giving important to you?

05:42 Speaker 1 Because I believe in abundance. I mean, I believe that if I give, I receive something back in a different way. And the world is used to thinking everything has to be give-and-take.

05:56 Speaker 2 But is your goal to give, or is your goal to give of who you are?

06:00 Speaker 1 Ultimately, it’s to give of who I am, and I understand...

06:02 Speaker 2 And what do you bring people when you give of who you are?

06:04 Speaker 1 The ability to understand that you can give without getting anything back.

06:08 Speaker 2 Okay. And how do you bring that to people? I mean, ultimately, what...

06:12 Speaker 1 By giving.

06:13 Speaker 2 Through giving?

06:14 Speaker 1 Yes.

06:15 Speaker 2 Then where does all the creativity come in? I mean the creativity, the ideas.

06:19 Speaker 1 It all comes through there. Do you want me to tell you about the... about the...

06:23 Speaker 2 Yes.

06:23 Speaker 1 About something, about where it began. By nature, I’ve always done a lot of creative things over the years. It started with my children. When they were young, I’d do all kinds of projects and activities with them. I’m also good at graphic design, and I’d make all kinds of things from the heart and share them on social media—things I was making—and I’d give away the materials.

06:51 Speaker 2 Right.

06:52 Speaker 1 You give them away, meaning...

06:53 Speaker 2 One second.

06:53 Speaker 1 You give people an idea.

06:54 Speaker 2 But wait, because that brings me back to the same thing. You give the... the idea, the creativity you’re talking about. Ultimately, when you’re making an impact, you’re giving something. What is it that you give? That’s the point.

07:04 Speaker 1 That’s where it started.

07:05 Speaker 2 Okay.

07:06 Speaker 1 And I would share it, share it at no cost. I don’t even call it “free” anymore. You can’t appreciate its value if you call it free. I make it available at no cost. And then I started a group called Parenting with a Different Mindset, and eventually I even gave a talk. Anyway, I managed to turn it into a kind of model.

07:27 Speaker 2 Yes.

07:27 Speaker 1 But all along I kept giving, and I kept getting feedback: “Why are you giving this away for free? Why are you giving it away for free?” And I would always say, “This isn’t my work.” In my actual work, when I do something for someone, I charge for it. But things that aren’t my work, things I create along the way, I share so the world can benefit.

07:44 Speaker 2 So that helps.

07:45 Speaker 1 Okay, that’s how I began training myself to think in terms of abundance. And for the last three years, I’ve been deeply involved in artificial intelligence. Every day I learn new things and teach myself. I’m self-taught, so it suits me perfectly. Then I suddenly realized that most people weren’t there yet, and I started giving trainings, lectures and workshops, and creating courses. Those are paid. But I also share things I’m working on behind the scenes on social media, and if I have something I can give people, I do. Recently, in the past month, I started making books. I’ve put out children’s books. I write a book for Libi—a beautiful book made with artificial intelligence—and I make it in an hour and a half.

08:28 Speaker 2 And put it out.

08:29 Speaker 1 I publish it at lightning speed and release it into the world. “Why aren’t you selling it? Why aren’t you selling it? Why aren’t you selling it?” I get those questions all the time, and every time I give the same answer: that’s not my work right now. At the end of the day, putting myself out there as someone involved in artificial intelligence also brings me lecture bookings. I’m not working on marketing myself, because I’m giving. For a long time, I’d been thinking about offering a training session to everyone, once, at no cost. I didn’t know what to teach. Then, on Shabbos, I had a flash of inspiration.

09:08 Speaker 2 Shabbos is a great day for that.

09:09 Speaker 1 The idea for the trainings felt heavenly. It wasn’t even a flash of inspiration. I feel that Hakadosh Boruch Hu helped me pin down and figure out this offering when I had no idea what I was getting into. So I said, I’m going to do pop-up lectures—I called them “Pop-AI.” I open a group, and whenever I feel like it, I post there. I needed to know, deep down, that I wasn’t committed to a schedule. So I come up with three topics and put a poll to the group. Whichever one gets the most votes, that’s the training I give. A few hours beforehand, I tell them, “The training will be at this time.” Then I flew abroad to a shluchos seminar, where I was giving lectures, and in the middle of a lecture I saw that the group had reached 770 members. That same evening, it filled up to 1,025. I said, okay, this is good—so much abundance. And there I said, okay, tomorrow, or maybe it was that same day, I don’t remember, I gave the first training. And then I said—but I’m not... The training is at no cost. I’d come up with a format that worked for me: I give the training when it suits me, as a pop-up.

10:18 Speaker 2 At no cost.

10:19 Speaker 1 A training session. People join on Zoom at no cost, and then, so the group members won’t feel frustrated, I make the recording available for twenty-four hours for them to watch. After that, I put it on my training website, where a session costs twenty-four shekels, which is a total...

10:34 Speaker 2 Of the seminar.

10:35 Speaker 1 I’m not making a profit on that. Come on, we know what profit is. Do you know what twenty-four shekels including VAT amounts to? How much am I left with? Maybe a shekel? You understand? You deduct VAT, income tax, National Insurance, and Meshulam too—the payment goes through Meshulam. Maybe I’ll be left with nine shekels. It doesn’t really matter. The point isn’t the money. The point is: I gave you the time; you had the opportunity. Now, if you want it, pay something for the value you’re receiving.

11:01 Speaker 2 Absolutely.

11:02 Speaker 1 The value they get there is worth much more than twenty-four shekels. The twenty-four hours and twenty-four shekels felt like the right fit. I don’t know—it just felt right. What I didn’t know would happen, and hadn’t planned, was this: I’d left it open for twenty-four hours so people in the group wouldn’t feel frustrated or have to join on my schedule. I wanted to let go of that. First of all, three hundred people joined on the first day.

11:26 Speaker 2 Wow.

11:26 Speaker 1 It was wild. And afterward, people got up in the early hours of the morning, and over those twenty-four hours, more than a thousand people sat and watched. Something incredible happened that I hadn’t planned, and it gave me drive. I got feedback, too. It’s been about two weeks now, and I’ve given four trainings, with a poll already up for the next one. People ask me, “But why are you doing this? Why are you doing it for free?” Because I have a passion for teaching artificial intelligence. I want everyone in the world to be part of it. Some people tell me, “Teach a little, but don’t teach so much in the free sessions. Then they’ll come to your bigger courses.” I don’t have a marketing strategy of “I’ll give this much.” I give abundantly, and Hashem gives back to me in incredible abundance. I’ll put it this way: without advertising, I put out a training and get a booking for a lecture. I put out another training and get booked for a lecture, a workshop, courses or one-on-one guidance. That’s where I actually earn my living. So now, when I hear people say, “Wow, look how much you give,” I think: wow, maybe my shlichus is to teach that you can give and receive in a different way. Hakadosh Boruch Hu brings abundance in His own ways. I let Hakadosh Boruch Hu handle it. That’s also what I say to Him: “Look, I’m giving.” I’m spreading His name too, because in every training I talk about Hakadosh Boruch Hu. I see the revelation of G-dliness in artificial intelligence as well. So that’s where I see it.

12:57 Speaker 3 I’m listening to you, and I’m thinking that a woman at home who doesn’t have a job might hear this and say, “Okay, I’ll give now. I’ll volunteer to do things without pay.” I think we need to be precise about this for a moment. What, within all of this, are you giving? What are you willing to give? Because at the end of the day, I do think money is energy. We exchange energy. Money really is... For years, people lived by barter. In the end, the value of the money we have reflects the amount of impact we bring into the world. In the past, people lived by barter. You had...

13:37 Speaker 1 You have eggs; you get milk.

13:39 Speaker 3 And milk, and we make it work. But I think there’s a distinction here that we need to pin down. You’re not living by barter, and you are giving something. You’re bringing real value. But I do want you to clarify this for a moment, because if one of my sisters, or anyone else, hears you and says, “I’m good at dancing. I’m an excellent dancer, right? I’ll open a studio at no cost and...”

14:03 Speaker 1 But that’s why I don’t call it “free.”

14:04 Speaker 3 Okay, “I’ll open a studio at no cost and teach people to dance at no cost.” The question is, where’s the boundary...

14:10 Speaker 1 Do you enjoy doing it?

14:11 Speaker 3 The question is where the boundary is.

14:11 Speaker 1 I think the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you enjoy doing it.

14:14 Speaker 3 But what is the boundary? Where is the line between offering something at no cost and losing out—giving, but losing out? Because some people spend their whole lives giving without limits. Some people are born with that tendency, and their life’s work is, in a sense, to reach a balance where they give and receive. I think that’s why I’m struggling to put my finger on it with you: your giving isn’t kindness without boundaries. That’s not where you’re coming from.

14:40 Speaker 1 I did put limits on it, too. The trainings at no cost are two or three times a week. I’m not spending all day saying, “Come on, take, take—have me for free.” I... there’s healthy giving. No! I managed to pin down an offering that lets me give in a way that suits me and suits the world. Thankfully, Hakadosh Boruch Hu made that happen.

15:01 Speaker 3 Yes.

15:02 Speaker 1 And that proves it. I get feedback, and people are suddenly creating things and developing things. That’s the real abundance.

15:10 Speaker 3 That’s it, that’s exactly what I think. As you’re talking, my mind is already a little ahead, unfortunately, but something did become clearer to me. In the end, when we bring something from the soul, when I bring something from the place of my purpose, the best indication is that I give and I feel filled.

15:28 Speaker 1 Right.

15:28 Speaker 3 I gave.

15:29 Speaker 1 Beautiful.

15:29 Speaker 3 And I’m more full afterward.

15:31 Speaker 1 And if you go back to that woman you mentioned, the one with the free studio, that’s the question you can ask...

15:35 Speaker 3 She probably, if she...

15:36 Speaker 1 No, she feels filled. Who feels filled?

15:37 Speaker 3 I was going to say, suppose this is a woman who isn’t working.

15:39 Speaker 1 Earning a living, really.

15:40 Speaker 3 She has no money, and she goes and does this and loses money on it—she won’t feel filled by it. You, you, you ultimately receive something from it; it fills you.

15:46 Speaker 1 Absolutely.

15:46 Speaker 3 You do it.

15:47 Speaker 1 Absolutely.

15:47 Speaker 3 And it stays within the bounds of what leaves you feeling full. And here I do say: when we’re really doing something, the best indication we have of whether I’m even living my purpose is what happens when I do it. I always say this in the workshop: my soul isn’t filled by food or drink or sleep. It’s filled by giving.

16:04 Speaker 1 Absolutely.

16:05 Speaker 3 And by bringing my light into the world, and it simply comes back to me.

16:07 Speaker 1 Wow, I agree with you so much, because I live this. People ask me now, “Where are you? When do you sleep? When do you eat?” And honestly, with the new developments in artificial intelligence, I really do sleep less. Maybe I’m addicted, and that isn’t good. I’m not saying it’s good, but it simply fills me. And you, Sarah, you’re a ray of light. I mean, it’s not... I’m alive. Right. I’m alive; I’m full of life. Mind you, I always have to come back and reconnect with myself and with the virtual world and all those things. But absolutely, absolutely—giving this abundance is the most fulfilling thing right now. And that doesn’t mean that when someone comes to me wanting a private session, I won’t quote my full fee. My full fee, my hourly rate, isn’t cheap. Why do you say that? Why do you say it isn’t cheap? Because in the world of people who know what an hourly rate is, it’s not—it’s not the rate that the audience here... But they know that when they come to me for an hour, they’ll get value that is absolutely worth the price I charge. I don’t think I’m expensive. So relative to the value, the price is fair. The price, you agree, for a person... No. Think about it: here’s someone who gives of herself for free and then charges twenty-four shekels for a tutorial. So what? How will she later charge a proper amount for an hour of one-on-one consultation or instruction? Yes, that’s how it is. And I’m really going along with Hakadosh Boruch Hu in this. I mean, even the ideas I put in the poll—what kind of... Yesterday I made a booklet and taught them about images. And they asked, the audience really asked, for more—how to do it, how to lay things out and so on. Then I put up a poll. I posted—never mind, I put up a booklet and then a poll. Before I sent out the poll, an idea suddenly came to me: maybe they’d want to design an ad really easily. And then I see the gap. I can actually see the hand of G-d; I’ve completely handed this over to Hakadosh Boruch Hu. I’m absolutely, absolutely a conduit. And then, and then, and then you... What would flow from that? It’s endless. Endless. As far as I’m concerned, yesterday I wrote a book. I thought of putting up a—what do you call it—a notice saying, “Come join a Zoom. I’m writing a book right now. Come be with me live.” But, but I still have that background noise in my head. How will it be received? How won’t it be received? If I lived in a place where I didn’t think at all about how people would receive it, I think the world would get much more from me. Wow, so you’re saying something. Let’s make this a week of living without... You know, in guided imagery I actually have a workshop about influence, abundance, tools and gratitude, with a certain percentage of each. But never mind, that’s not for now. What I do say in the guided imagery is: imagine bringing your light into the world without any fear. What do you look like? What do the circles around you look like? What does your family look like? And we really are afraid. We really are light, and it’s endless. And by the way, I’m sure—I’m sure, I’d put my name to it—that if you come and say, “I live in this reality the way I believe it should be,” you won’t get any, any... But if there’s background noise, you will. I take those things as compliments. I mean, “You never stop. Where do you find the time?”

17:39 Speaker 1 “How much can you possibly do right now?” One day I put up a tutorial. I also educate people a little. One day I posted a tutorial at four because that worked for me, because I wanted to. It was a Thursday. I said, “Before Shabbos, before Shabbos—I’ll do it at four.” So someone said to me, “What, don’t you have children?” I mean, come on, why not get involved in my babysitting arrangements and everything else too? Or once I took down a tutorial ten minutes before the scheduled time, and I got complaints that it was outrageous. I thought of offering a refund, except it hadn’t cost anything. You know what I mean? But it’s interesting; it’s an interesting game. But if I, for example—let me put it to you this way. Because I know how to do things quickly, here and now—and the two of us have that in common, this “says and does” quality—I think we’re a little bit in the world of Yetzirah. I mean, there are the spiritual worlds, and we’re in the world of Yetzirah. We bring things down into action. Yetzirah, Asiyah, Yetzirah, Asiyah, Yetzirah. But why—is there Atzilus there too? Is there that initial bittul? There’s Atzilus, Beriah, but if we look at the worlds, we are in a world, at a frequency, that’s higher. And when you’re in the world of Yetzirah—maybe that sounds pretentious, I don’t know, but never mind, nobody’s listening. So we... Why are you dismissing it? No, it’s also not... No, because if someone hears this from the outside, they’ll say, “Who does she think she is?” No, but whoever hears it—I believe that it’ll be good and it’ll be just right for the person hearing it. Second, our words have power. I’m not dismissing that. Null and void. Null and void, forgiven, forgiven. So

19:13 Speaker 1 the way I see it, when you can be in the world of Yetzirah, you can get a lot more done. So let me share something with you, and you tell me what to do. You know what? I’m asking your advice. I have Pop AI. Pop AI is two groups I run: I send things there, post things, and it’s very nice. It doesn’t take much work from me, because just let me share. I could teach artificial intelligence all day, as far as my passion for it goes. I enjoy it. At the same time, I have—with Bat Sheva Dargan [unclear]—a “Gym for Peace of Mind,” something we do together. There’s a podcast that comes out every week, and a school and a club, and now we’re going to hold an event. So I’m getting exposure. My face is being seen by a very large audience. And I have the group called Parenting with a Different Mindset. Now people come to me. For example, you came to me, and you and I are doing a podcast right now. But there are all kinds of interesting, fascinating women who have a lot of value to offer the world. From my position, as someone who puts things out into the world, I want to amplify their voices. I’m not coming at this from a marketing angle, but from the sense that the world needs to hear them. So I had the idea of taking the Parenting with a Different Mindset group and doing a podcast there once a week, a live podcast on Zoom, where I bring on a woman. Because I love podcasting, I know how to do it, and I enjoy it. But then this background noise came up: wait, how can you be here and here and here and here, all at once? I’m like three TV channels. Why—this doesn’t have to do with both of us. That’s not what I wanted to bring up. But why not do it in AI?

20:44 Speaker 1 The way I see it, when you can be in a creative space, you can get so much more done. So let me share something with you, and you tell me what to do. You know what? I’m asking your advice. I have Pop AI. Pop AI is two groups that I run—I send things out and post there—and it’s really nice. It doesn’t take much work on my part, because just let me share something and I could spend all day teaching about artificial intelligence. I’m passionate about it. I enjoy it. At the same time, I’m working with Bat Sheva Dargan[?]. We have a “peace of mind gym,” a collaboration between the two of us. There’s a podcast that comes out every week, a school, and a club, and now we’re going to hold an event. So I’m becoming visible. My face is being seen by a very large audience. And I have the group called “Parenting with a Different Mindset.” Now people come to me. You came to me, for example, and you and I are already doing a podcast together. But there are all sorts of interesting, intriguing women who have so much value to offer the world. From where I stand, as someone putting things out into the world, I want to amplify their voices. It’s not coming from a marketing angle; it’s coming from a sense that the world needs to hear them. So I had an idea: to take the “Parenting with a Different Mindset” group and do a podcast there once a week, a live podcast on Zoom, where I bring on a woman. Because I... I love podcasting, I know how to do it, and I enjoy it. But then this noise came up in my head: Wait. How can you be here and here and here and here, all at the same time? I’m like three TV channels. Why? For me, that has nothing to do with the two of us. That’s not what I wanted to offer. But why not do it with AI?

22:21 Speaker 1 In the AI group? Because AI isn’t related to this; it’s a different field. AI is only about artificial intelligence. This is about parenting, relationships, personal growth. I see. All kinds of people come to me for consulting, for strategy, and suddenly I’m getting to know people. Okay, and then a little bit comes from here. So that’s it. And then I hear this thought: Calm down, the world... no. Like, there are other people who can do things. Why do you have to do everything? What’s burning inside you right now? Something is burning inside me. For example, there’s this amazing woman who’s a relationship counselor. I also took a course with her, and for me it was life-changing. I want to shout it to the world. So I say, come on, let’s do a podcast. I have a group; I’ve built a sort of community. I don’t even know how active it is, but... I have a group there where I’ve shared things, and I think this would offer value. But the funniest thing is that I’m not looking to be out front. I don’t want to be onstage or anything like that. You actually want to bring those people forward. Give them that space. I don’t even mind if people get to know what they do afterward. No, I... But what, and then what? What if you do it? Say you do it. Then I feel like I’m too much. Like I’d be too much. So that’s it. So if I’m coming only to bring light, then... Then what’s the problem? Light is infinite. Right, but maybe it’s just background noise in my head. Still, calm down. I also hear, in [unclear], “We see you everywhere”—and they mean it as a compliment. Not that people come to me with...

23:51 Speaker 1 But it feels to me like your giving comes from the soul, and your hesitation comes from the body. Right. Sorry, that’s just what comes to mind, because from the body’s perspective, people see me everywhere, and there really are lots of people, and who says this is needed, and who’s even listening? And speaking of that, you say during the podcast, “Nobody’s listening anyway, so what do I care?” But if you’re coming from the soul, there’s no calculating at all. I have light to bring; I need to bring light to more people, so I’m there. So that’s... Are you coming on my podcast? Gladly. Really? What will we talk about? Whatever they need, whatever there’s a need for. I don’t know. We’ll talk. Do you want me to speak about something specific? No, I also... Maybe there’s something there, or... You know what’s coming to mind now? Maybe I do want to bring on women who come to me for strategy, bring them on and help their light shine through this platform. In other words, give real value there and then sell something. So maybe that’s where the thought is coming from: the world... Do I believe in that or not? Maybe the start of this is, first of all, bringing those women on, giving them a platform? No. Bringing out the light they have. Okay, so... Bring light, bring light. The beginning is light, light. So start with the beginning. And don’t touch that other part. I’d start with the beginning, with my own starting point, which really is light. So start with the light, and things will happen as you go. And you’ll... that light

25:20 Speaker 1 comes full circle; it will come back to you. And keep going with what comes back to you, like you’re doing now with Pop AI. It came back to you, and from that something new was created again. What feels right to me—and I don’t know which part of me is speaking there, the G-dly soul or the animal soul—is to make a podcast that’s just value, with no selling. Not a webinar, not a sales pitch. Through it, people get to know this person: follow her, buy from her. Maybe later you’ll do... Maybe later, it could go in a million directions. Maybe later you’ll collaborate with these women; maybe they’ll pay you— It’s not about my money. I go to them. To them too; it doesn’t matter. In the end, if one of them chooses to sell something while she’s talking, that will reach her audience. Okay, I think I managed to scratch beneath the surface here. So go with the flow. It’s not... it’s not yours. In the end, you know, if you bring your good and she brings hers, then just let it go. The way you were talking at the beginning about something you wanted to gain from... No, no, no, not for me, not for me. But to my mind, yes, it’s... Again, I gain in other ways. No, I don’t gain in... There’s no equation for me where one plus one equals two. No, there isn’t. And I think that when a person gives—and to me, that’s Geulah: a mindset of abundance. Right, but I think that with abundance, if you give because you think that by living abundantly and giving to others you’ll get something back, you’ve shot yourself in the head.

26:39 Speaker 1 Because when you give—when you’re not living with abundance, then you’re not living with abundance. Yes, because you’re genuinely giving; the calculation isn’t, “This will bring me abundance.” I love giving, but at the same time I can say unequivocally—and I’m not someone who makes many emphatic statements—that a person who truly gives to others lacks nothing. That’s certain; that’s how life works. Right. There’s abundance in love, abundance in friends. “Who has provided me with all my needs”—I say that every morning with deep intention. Right, but also in money. I remember days when I argued—I mean, I—days when I argued with people close to me that people are born with different starting points, and it’s easy for me to say this or that—or not easy for me. And you would say that abundance and your bank balance have nothing to do with where you came from, whether you came from the poorest background and had no money, or, on the other hand, came from the wealthiest background and had lots of money. Ultimately it’s a state of mind. If a person does the inner work and works on giving to others and on feeling that they... It can also be about beliefs, by the way: believing that I deserve it. Anyone can live with abundance. But everyone... I don’t agree with that— Abundance isn’t material. Right, and money isn’t material. Yes, but ultimately you do use money to buy material things. And those things aren’t really material either. I mean, it doesn’t matter: if I don’t see money as material, then I don’t see the object as material either. Ultimately it’s all energy. But let’s not get so lofty. Abundance is in everything. You can... People have abundance in their relationships, abundance in their children, abundance in family life, abundance

28:06 Speaker 1 in friends, abundance in ideas, abundance in creativity. It’s all abundance. We talked about this too, when I told you about my dream of being on Shark Tank, of being... being one of the sharks. Now I’d be there, but... I’ve reached a point where I am a shark, and I... What does it mean to be a shark? It’s philanthropy. The field—the idea of philanthropy moves me very, very deeply. Very quickly I’m doing philanthropy, with ideas, with that kind of abundance. Right. That kind of giving. So yes, absolutely. I’m completely a shark in the sense that people actually call me. Boruch Hashem, there’s also an abundance of requests from people who want the Or LaOr lecture, and ultimately I can’t be available to everyone 24/7. So I do a sort of screening, a conversation beforehand. Is it a fit or not? Where do I stand on it? Do I want to put my energy into it or not? No. Yes. Really? More from the place of whether I genuinely find it interesting and feel I have something of value to offer. Yes. I’m not looking for everyone to come to me. Once I had a conversation, and my son overheard it. I ended the call and didn’t say anything. I don’t always give my final answer right away. So he said to me, “I’m out.” Yes, sweetheart. He could tell from the conversation that I wasn’t excited about that project. And that’s perfectly fine. I don’t have to be the person who takes on every project. So, in short, what did we take from this conversation? What did we learn? Just keep going. Just keep bringing light without calculating. And all the time, what I keep asking myself—I asked you whether something comes from the body or from the soul—those are questions I ask myself almost

29:45 Speaker 1 Every day. Is everything that comes up for me coming from the soul? Ask yourself whether it’s coming from the body. If it’s coming from the body, it’s your ego—about yourself, your honor, your enjoyment, and so on. So that’s where you need to have that conversation with yourself. But you can always go up a level and— Yes, but for me, with the virtual side of things, it’s very easy to speak from the soul. Because I’m virtual, and my work is also to speak from the body. Being virtual can absolutely come from the body too. Being in a place of poor body image and self-hatred—that’s not the soul. There’s no hatred in the soul, only love. Mm-hmm. By the way, the soul is infinite. There can’t be hatred there in any form. Interesting. So, in short, what work are we leaving here with? I didn’t quite get it. Sweetheart, our whole lives. Thank you very much. Work—thank you so much. Yes, but this is work that’s worth it. I mean, I think it’s the most rewarding work there is, because when you’re truly giving in the end, you... I remember—I told you, and I think we may even have talked about it in an episode. During COVID, I remember the day I realized I couldn’t go to the studio and I couldn’t give. And I remember—I just felt enormous pain. After a while, I started thinking of ideas and making videos. It was a nightmare for me, but I did it. But I remember that pain, and the days when I really wasn’t giving at the level— Not giving through the means that are yours. Through my own means, in my own way. Because you can still do good things and give. Right, but— Give in the way that’s right for you. That’s part of my purpose. I—

31:15 Speaker 1 I can say there are things that are amazing for certain people, but they’re not part of my purpose. And there, I just—I remember it physically, and I remember the enormous pain I felt. And I knew—I knew that if someone came to me then and said, “Come on, just keep doing what you were doing, the way you were doing it,” that wasn’t the point. That’s when I understood that it really wasn’t about money or anything else. None of that mattered. It was this deep inner need to give. Now, that’s true for me. Someone else might have a very, very strong desire for love. And, by the way, often the thing we want so badly is also part of our purpose. If someone tells me, “I want love, I want love, I want love,” I’ll say, “Take a moment and look at that. Maybe your whole purpose is to give love and to be loving toward someone else, and then you’ll receive it.” But we feel— In short, it comes from within. I just wish everyone abundance, and that they do the work, give, and ultimately live in abundance. That’s Geulah. Yes. In the end— Geulah, but not here. No, it is Geulah. I think that’s a personal Geulah, not the Geulah. No, it really is Geulah. But Geulah is here, in this world. It’s here. Okay. Thank you. It was fun that we started this without knowing where we’d end up, and in the end, we’ve finished too. So, all the best. Praise Hashem. We’ll meet again. Okay. I think so. Bye, definitely.